The Official Next Manager Discussion Thread

[JDH101]

Love Danny but he has no coaching experience and has been out the game for 2 seasons or more now, all he has done is punditry.

We cannot afford to take a punt in my opinion

Why can we not afford to take a punt? Just what have we got that we might lose this season? If anything, I would say we CAN afford to take a punt this season. We have absolutely nothing to lose.

If, as you state, we have nothing to lose this season, why not bring somebody in who can build for the next season?

Danny Murphy has not done a single days' coaching, not at academy level, nothing.

We got rid of Kit Symons, somebody deemed not good enough despite coaching for about 7 years. Why would we then make a gamble on somebody with seemingly no interest to work?

If you have no interest to prove yourself and work on the training pitch, there is no room in the game for you. Least so here.

I don't understand your line of thinking. What do you mean "get someone who can build for next season"? Why wouldn't you want to offer Murphy the role in the same way Neville just accepted the Valencia job - i.e. - you have the rest of the season to prove you deserve the job long term. What on earth do we have to lose? And also, whoever comes in is not the one building for the future. Its been made crystal clear that we are looking for a head coach to manage and train the players brought in by the club. It is the club, via Rigg that is building for the future, not the next man in.

We are a mid-sized team in the middle of the table of the Championship, struggling to make FFP and have a potential transfer embargo hanging over us. Just who on earth do you think we are going to get? Have you seen who has rejected us over the last few weeks? If we could get someone like Murphy in, then give him the job and put an end to this madness.

Here is the list of all available managers with a lot, some, little or no success: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik
If we have nothing to lose by giving the job to Murphy, why don't we give it to one of them instead? We have nothing to lose as you say.

I scanned this list. It has Moyes and Rodgers on here, who we are never going to be able to attract. Amongst other unrealistic targets. I know we all love the club. But outside SW6 we are just a tiny club that had some good years in the prem. We cannot attract anyone we want.

There are some good people on this list. Some proven, some unproven. I don't really understand your point other than by picking Murphy we might as well pick anyone without any experience. I guess that is your point.

Here is my point. We have a budget of half a million pounds for this position. Great salary for most of us on here, but not actually that much compared to what our competitors can afford. And by that I mean, Rodgers and Moyes can command a much larger fee somewhere else.

So we are left scraping the barrel. In my opinion we dodged a bullet in Clarke. Pearson is holding out for a Prem job. And now we are being paired with Stuart Gray. I couldn't think of a more uninspiring candidate.

But if people on here honestly think he is a better pick because he has experience of being fired everywhere he has gone rather than someone who has played for England, won the FA cup, League Cup, UEFA Cup, runner up in the Premier League, took us to the Europa League final and actually wants the job, then I give up.

I know Murphy doesn't have the experience. But I just don't see the harm in giving him the job until the end of the season to see how he gets on. This is a realistic suggestion and not just someone blurting out "Moyes" or "Rodgers", who are never, ever, ever, ever going to come here.

[Asotosyios]

I understand that Murphy is a realistic suggestion, but I want the job given to someone that has managed before however uninspiring the appointment might be. For what it's worth my choice would be JFH - Moyes or Rodgers would never come here, at least not now. We, the fans, have a limited knowledge of what it's out there and go with what we know, mostly what's happening in English football. However, there are good coaches out there and I would expect from a DoF to be in touch with lots of agents describing what his criteria are - English/Championship experience shouldn't necessarily be one of them, but managerial experience is a must.

[J]

Murphy doesn't have *any* experience! I'm not even sure he has completed the coaching badges beyond the most basic ones.

If you are comparing him to Neville, he has been working as a coach with England for 3 years, plus he has the advantage of an assistant manager who he knows well and already knows the team that he will be working with.

[J]

John Collins has the same punditry "experience" as Murphy, plus he has actually managed and coached some teams. And he has his pro license.
Now I'm not saying we should appoint John, just giving an example of someone that instantly brings more to the table than Murphy.

[Asotosyios]

Another sleepless night, so I was going through the list with the available managers trying to think if any of them would be a good fit for us. Miroslav Djukic was one of the few that sounded interesting, so I had a quick search and found this article: http://forzafutbol.com/2013/10/can-miroslav-djukic-take-valencia-to-the-next-level.html

It doesn't describe his Valencia tenure with the brightest colours, but I liked the article's introduction and think this is a road we could take:

What do Hector Cuper, Rafa Benitez, Sanchez Flores, Unai Emery have in common? A general football fan would stop at "They are all former Valencia coaches." But most Valencia fans would relate to these individuals with a great deal of respect and admiration for the good work they have done for the club. If one digs deep they will find another commonality. They were all young ambitious coaches who had previously excelled at smaller clubs. They were hungry for success and wanted to prove themselves at a higher level. Valencia was their first big club experience. Through their hard work and dedication, Valencia enjoyed a great deal of success. In the process these coaches also made a name for themselves-for some of them it paved the way for bigger things. One might wonder why this tendency to appoint such young low profile managers? Perhaps such managers would work harder than their better known peers who may have already had their share of success-so no extra incentive for them, nothing new. Lower wages could be another explanation. Some quarters could go to the extent of arguing fan expectations, pressure would be less with a low profile manager.  There is no arguing the formula has been quite successful for Valencia. So it was no surprise, Miroslav Djukic was the automatic choice when former coach Ernesto Valverde decided not to renew. Djukic being a former club legend was an added bonus.

[Asotosyios]

To throw another name in the hat, how about Dan Petrescu? He has done very well in Romania, Poland and Russia and works in China now, so a move to London might appeal to him (even if the money is not as good as in China).

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/dan-petrescu/stationen/trainer/2730/plus/1

[bobby01]

My main concern is, who is the Manager going to be after we have sacked the next one ?

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[westcliff white]

Love Danny but he has no coaching experience and has been out the game for 2 seasons or more now, all he has done is punditry.

We cannot afford to take a punt in my opinion

Why can we not afford to take a punt? Just what have we got that we might lose this season? If anything, I would say we CAN afford to take a punt this season. We have absolutely nothing to lose.

If, as you state, we have nothing to lose this season, why not bring somebody in who can build for the next season?

Danny Murphy has not done a single days' coaching, not at academy level, nothing.

We got rid of Kit Symons, somebody deemed not good enough despite coaching for about 7 years. Why would we then make a gamble on somebody with seemingly no interest to work?

If you have no interest to prove yourself and work on the training pitch, there is no room in the game for you. Least so here.

I don't understand your line of thinking. What do you mean "get someone who can build for next season"? Why wouldn't you want to offer Murphy the role in the same way Neville just accepted the Valencia job - i.e. - you have the rest of the season to prove you deserve the job long term. What on earth do we have to lose? And also, whoever comes in is not the one building for the future. Its been made crystal clear that we are looking for a head coach to manage and train the players brought in by the club. It is the club, via Rigg that is building for the future, not the next man in.

We are a mid-sized team in the middle of the table of the Championship, struggling to make FFP and have a potential transfer embargo hanging over us. Just who on earth do you think we are going to get? Have you seen who has rejected us over the last few weeks? If we could get someone like Murphy in, then give him the job and put an end to this madness.

DIdnt we do exactly that with \kit? give him the job for a while and then let him prove himself? turned out wel that.

The club and the new manager need to build and plan for the future to improve us and take us up the table and hopefully back to the prem. However the FFP thing is an issue, if we have failed the rules then that will impact on who we get as well, the fees we pay for managers and to pay them off count towards our FFP status. Personally I cannot see ho the football league can impose it after QPR clearly run roughshod over them (Penalties of which are yet to be announced as well), As FPT said Murphy has not done a day of caching at senior level which is slightly different to Gary Neville, so it would be, for me anyway, more than a massive punt, should also be noted by Murphy's own admission he has ticked off the powers that be at FUlham, maybe because he keeps leaking things on talksport, which what he says is knowledge from inside,

Loved the guy as a player but as a coach I am not convinced, personally Kit would be a more favourable choice

[Neil D]

I think it is fairly inevitable now that the response to the new coach is going to be one of the following:
1. Not him.  Jeez, we're done-for, given that the most inspiring choices have walked away and we are now increasingly associated with the contents of the bottom of a desperately scraped barrel.
2. Who the hell is this guy?

I hope it's the latter.  Maybe we'll stumble on the next Jokanovic, Garcia, etc.  Probably by accident.

[Chutney]

I think it is fairly inevitable now that the response to the new coach is going to be one of the following:
1. Not him.  Jeez, we're done-for, given that the most inspiring choices have walked away and we are now increasingly associated with the contents of the bottom of a desperately scraped barrel.
2. Who the hell is this guy?

I hope it's the latter.  Maybe we'll stumble on the next Jokanovic, Garcia, etc.  Probably by accident.

who ever it is, our "fans" will be on his back from game one. Possibly throw in a few chants or rigg out for good measure.

[grandad]

My main concern is, who is the Manager going to be after we have sacked the next one ?

Has a short list been drawn up?  086.gif

[westcliff white]

Agree Chutney to a degree.

Everyone has a preference, and I admire JDH101's passionate defence and promotion of Danny, everyone on this board loved him as a player for us, but as a coach I and possibly some more have doubts.

But some on here will not give any new guy time, be it 1 game, if he loses the I told you so's will come out, or maybe 2, 3 or 10 games they will come out,there are some on this board that wont never be happy no matter who gets the job. We have had 5 managers in 21 months or so, it is natural for anyone approached to think hang on how long have I got. We have to look long term and build thats what the new guy is going to have to do along with the club. We the fans have to be patient however frustrating that maybe, the club have to be patient and not trigger happy and the manager needs to get to style and formation right for what we have in the squad now, and then ensure they can change to what he wants to play buy getting the right players in (as well as shoring up our defence, if that had been done i do not think Kit would have lost his job, we have the layers they just need to do it better). Not going to go on about FFP other than to say if we have failed then that will restrict our pool of managers / coaches to choose from even more

[alexmur]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/fulhams-new-manager-search-turns-6943762?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

if that wasn't in the mirror I might give that some thought, they are just picking names at random. I sure nobody actually knows except the club...... I hope

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[Asotosyios]

To throw another name in the hat, how about Dan Petrescu? He has done very well in Romania, Poland and Russia and works in China now, so a move to London might appeal to him (even if the money is not as good as in China).

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/dan-petrescu/stationen/trainer/2730/plus/1

Not going to mention it again, but funnily enough we had been linked with him when we were about to get rid of Jol.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2500133/Fulham-eye-Roberto-Di-Matteo-Dan-Petrescu-replace-Martin-Jol.html

[westcliff white]

WM I agree, which is why I say its important not to make a rash decision or take a punt, if it takes time then so be it but make sure we get the right man this time. I am sick and tired of the same old excuses

[Nero]

What about John Madden I hear he was a good Head Coach in his day

[westcliff white]

What about John Madden I hear he was a good Head Coach in his day

Apparently very good

[Bassey the warrior]

Agree Chutney to a degree.

Everyone has a preference, and I admire JDH101's passionate defence and promotion of Danny, everyone on this board loved him as a player for us, but as a coach I and possibly some more have doubts.

But some on here will not give any new guy time, be it 1 game, if he loses the I told you so's will come out, or maybe 2, 3 or 10 games they will come out,there are some on this board that wont never be happy no matter who gets the job. We have had 5 managers in 21 months or so, it is natural for anyone approached to think hang on how long have I got. We have to look long term and build thats what the new guy is going to have to do along with the club. We the fans have to be patient however frustrating that maybe, the club have to be patient and not trigger happy and the manager needs to get to style and formation right for what we have in the squad now, and then ensure they can change to what he wants to play buy getting the right players in (as well as shoring up our defence, if that had been done i do not think Kit would have lost his job, we have the layers they just need to do it better). Not going to go on about FFP other than to say if we have failed then that will restrict our pool of managers / coaches to choose from even more

But unless the club gets the right person for the job in the first place, bearing in mind that they havent had the right person in the job since Roy Hodgson, then all that you say about Long term, Short term or whatever means absolutely nothing. We will be back where we started.
Due to inefficiency, incompetence, negligence and bad judgements, tunnel vision, call it what you like, the club have missed the boat and let potentially good candidates slip through their fingers.
That is why we are where we are, up the Swanny without a paddle, and exactly why we are having this same conversation.
You couldn't make it up.

No decent manager since Hodgson, what about Hughes? He did a good job in short time he was here, even if I didn't like him as a person. It's a shame that his spell coincided with MAF starting to tighten up the purse strings. If he was manager under the Shahid (Genghis) Khan, he may well have gone on to build something here.
I have been really impressed with what he's done at Stoke, especially after the QPR travesty.

[Bronaldinho]

Stuart Gray is the latest name linked with the job.

Wow that's depressing.

From Seedorf to Gray in 24 hours.

Ouch.

I know it'll be down to Rigg to persuade the players, but I'm most people would want to play under Seedorf than Gray.

Uninspiring.

[alexbishop]

Stuart Pearce in the mix now too according to Twitter so things aren't looking particularly bright