The Official FOF Silly Season Summer Transfer Thread 2017-18

[Marcel_Gecov]

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#FFC playmaker Tom Cairney has been subject to bids from Southampton and Watford. Both clubs are hopeful they can strike a deal soon.

This a dirty lie, right?

EDIT:

Done some digging and the guy is WUM. But for the second time in a fortnight I've almost had a stroke due to Fulham rumours... all too stressful.

I suspect that between now and the end of August there will be further rumours regarding bids for Cairney, MacDonald and Aluko that will make us all nervous.

..and I fear - Johansen!

I could see Johansen being ideal for a Burnley-esque side in the prem. the gamble/risk for him and others is whether he has a better chance at a prolonged prem career with us or elsewhere.

Personally I think us, but I'm very biased.

[westcliff white]

Waris update, at present no more than a 50/50 chance, he wants to wait and see what options he gets, understandable I guess

[BestOfBrede]

I would suggest we give up on these players that are not excited to join us and instead ensure we keep our current squad together by new contracts. We can then develop our promising youth and perhaps look at lower leagues for real potential, albeit risk, and/or loans.
I'm pretty fed up with these players that are effectively saying - "yeah I'll sign if no one else comes in!"

[westcliff white]

I would suggest we give up on these players that are not excited to join us and instead ensure we keep our current squad together by new contracts. We can then develop our promising youth and perhaps look at lower leagues for real potential, albeit risk, and/or loans.
I'm pretty fed up with these players that are effectively saying - "yeah I'll sign if no one else comes in!"

I ant blame the for looking after their selves, we all would. It is frustrating for us as fans but they have to put their careers first. Waris is actually happy to come but as I say wants to wait and see if Celtic (CL participation), Brighton or West Ham firm up their interest, do you think we can compete with those clubs? It is good we are going for players like this as it shows ambition, it is good he would be happy to join, its just one of those things. We are not being slow in the market, quite the opposite we are being pro active and pushing on, take Rolan his agent thought we would wait, we didn't and that caused issues between him, and his agent, him and the club as well. That's why intermediaries have been in touch to see if there is any chance of resurrection and not his agent

[Jonaldiniho 88]

I would suggest we give up on these players that are not excited to join us and instead ensure we keep our current squad together by new contracts. We can then develop our promising youth and perhaps look at lower leagues for real potential, albeit risk, and/or loans.
I'm pretty fed up with these players that are effectively saying - "yeah I'll sign if no one else comes in!"

I ant blame the for looking after their selves, we all would. It is frustrating for us as fans but they have to put their careers first. Waris is actually happy to come but as I say wants to wait and see if Celtic (CL participation), Brighton or West Ham firm up their interest, do you think we can compete with those clubs? It is good we are going for players like this as it shows ambition, it is good he would be happy to join, its just one of those things. We are not being slow in the market, quite the opposite we are being pro active and pushing on, take Rolan his agent thought we would wait, we didn't and that caused issues between him, and his agent, him and the club as well. That's why intermediaries have been in touch to see if there is any chance of resurrection and not his agent

And is there to your knowledge?

[westcliff white]

I would suggest we give up on these players that are not excited to join us and instead ensure we keep our current squad together by new contracts. We can then develop our promising youth and perhaps look at lower leagues for real potential, albeit risk, and/or loans.
I'm pretty fed up with these players that are effectively saying - "yeah I'll sign if no one else comes in!"

I ant blame the for looking after their selves, we all would. It is frustrating for us as fans but they have to put their careers first. Waris is actually happy to come but as I say wants to wait and see if Celtic (CL participation), Brighton or West Ham firm up their interest, do you think we can compete with those clubs? It is good we are going for players like this as it shows ambition, it is good he would be happy to join, its just one of those things. We are not being slow in the market, quite the opposite we are being pro active and pushing on, take Rolan his agent thought we would wait, we didn't and that caused issues between him, and his agent, him and the club as well. That's why intermediaries have been in touch to see if there is any chance of resurrection and not his agent

And is there to your knowledge?

of resurrection of Rolan? I wouldn't say 100% no, it is a slim chance but a chance none the less.

[BestOfBrede]

I would suggest we give up on these players that are not excited to join us and instead ensure we keep our current squad together by new contracts. We can then develop our promising youth and perhaps look at lower leagues for real potential, albeit risk, and/or loans.
I'm pretty fed up with these players that are effectively saying - "yeah I'll sign if no one else comes in!"

I ant blame the for looking after their selves, we all would. It is frustrating for us as fans but they have to put their careers first. Waris is actually happy to come but as I say wants to wait and see if Celtic (CL participation), Brighton or West Ham firm up their interest, do you think we can compete with those clubs? It is good we are going for players like this as it shows ambition, it is good he would be happy to join, its just one of those things. We are not being slow in the market, quite the opposite we are being pro active and pushing on, take Rolan his agent thought we would wait, we didn't and that caused issues between him, and his agent, him and the club as well. That's why intermediaries have been in touch to see if there is any chance of resurrection and not his agent

I don't blame players either...
I'm just saying that could end up every window waiting and waiting for our real preferences, to end up short and possibly have a negative effect on our season.
I'm really concerned that these 'failures' in the market may have a negative effect on our better players too, and they may start to feel a move away as a good thing?
There are obviously many clubs that would like a good number of our team - I just feel that we should secure them on long, good deals where possible, and not allow big heads to hold us to ransom.

[westcliff white]

I would suggest we give up on these players that are not excited to join us and instead ensure we keep our current squad together by new contracts. We can then develop our promising youth and perhaps look at lower leagues for real potential, albeit risk, and/or loans.
I'm pretty fed up with these players that are effectively saying - "yeah I'll sign if no one else comes in!"

I ant blame the for looking after their selves, we all would. It is frustrating for us as fans but they have to put their careers first. Waris is actually happy to come but as I say wants to wait and see if Celtic (CL participation), Brighton or West Ham firm up their interest, do you think we can compete with those clubs? It is good we are going for players like this as it shows ambition, it is good he would be happy to join, its just one of those things. We are not being slow in the market, quite the opposite we are being pro active and pushing on, take Rolan his agent thought we would wait, we didn't and that caused issues between him, and his agent, him and the club as well. That's why intermediaries have been in touch to see if there is any chance of resurrection and not his agent

I don't blame players either...
I'm just saying that could end up every window waiting and waiting for our real preferences, to end up short and possibly have a negative effect on our season.
I'm really concerned that these 'failures' in the market may have a negative effect on our better players too, and they may start to feel a move away as a good thing?
There are obviously many clubs that would like a good number of our team - I just feel that we should secure them on long, good deals where possible, and not allow big heads to hold us to ransom.

I don't consider them failures we have been ambitious and it may or may not work, a failure is if you cant agree terms etc and that's nit been the case.

most deals these days go to the last weeks of the windows for clubs like ours, those outside the prem I mean, you will get those clubs that will spend stupidly (boro this window) and that may or may not pay off. We cannot afford that, so patience for us is a virtue, Just my opinion.

I would of course like most of our work done early but it is what it is

[fulhamben]

I would suggest we give up on these players that are not excited to join us and instead ensure we keep our current squad together by new contracts. We can then develop our promising youth and perhaps look at lower leagues for real potential, albeit risk, and/or loans.
I'm pretty fed up with these players that are effectively saying - "yeah I'll sign if no one else comes in!"

I ant blame the for looking after their selves, we all would. It is frustrating for us as fans but they have to put their careers first. Waris is actually happy to come but as I say wants to wait and see if Celtic (CL participation), Brighton or West Ham firm up their interest, do you think we can compete with those clubs? It is good we are going for players like this as it shows ambition, it is good he would be happy to join, its just one of those things. We are not being slow in the market, quite the opposite we are being pro active and pushing on, take Rolan his agent thought we would wait, we didn't and that caused issues between him, and his agent, him and the club as well. That's why intermediaries have been in touch to see if there is any chance of resurrection and not his agent

I don't blame players either...
I'm just saying that could end up every window waiting and waiting for our real preferences, to end up short and possibly have a negative effect on our season.
I'm really concerned that these 'failures' in the market may have a negative effect on our better players too, and they may start to feel a move away as a good thing?
There are obviously many clubs that would like a good number of our team - I just feel that we should secure them on long, good deals where possible, and not allow big heads to hold us to ransom.

to be fair the club b did lock down seas and cairney. And I can't remember exactly, but I'm sure last years recruits all had more than two year contracts

[SG]

I would suggest we give up on these players that are not excited to join us and instead ensure we keep our current squad together by new contracts. We can then develop our promising youth and perhaps look at lower leagues for real potential, albeit risk, and/or loans.
I'm pretty fed up with these players that are effectively saying - "yeah I'll sign if no one else comes in!"

I ant blame the for looking after their selves, we all would. It is frustrating for us as fans but they have to put their careers first. Waris is actually happy to come but as I say wants to wait and see if Celtic (CL participation), Brighton or West Ham firm up their interest, do you think we can compete with those clubs? It is good we are going for players like this as it shows ambition, it is good he would be happy to join, its just one of those things. We are not being slow in the market, quite the opposite we are being pro active and pushing on, take Rolan his agent thought we would wait, we didn't and that caused issues between him, and his agent, him and the club as well. That's why intermediaries have been in touch to see if there is any chance of resurrection and not his agent

I don't blame players either...
I'm just saying that could end up every window waiting and waiting for our real preferences, to end up short and possibly have a negative effect on our season.
I'm really concerned that these 'failures' in the market may have a negative effect on our better players too, and they may start to feel a move away as a good thing?
There are obviously many clubs that would like a good number of our team - I just feel that we should secure them on long, good deals where possible, and not allow big heads to hold us to ransom.

I don't consider them failures we have been ambitious and it may or may not work, a failure is if you cant agree terms etc and that's nit been the case.

most deals these days go to the last weeks of the windows for clubs like ours, those outside the prem I mean, you will get those clubs that will spend stupidly (boro this window) and that may or may not pay off. We cannot afford that, so patience for us is a virtue, Just my opinion.

I would of course like most of our work done early but it is what it is

Call me cynical but I don't think it is ambitious to go after players where it is clear that they will only come to us as a last resort. I think that is wasting time and opportunities. There have to be players out there who would jump at the chance of joining FFC who would benefit the team. I can hear the stats team in September - 'we tried but could not land our targets'. I would repeat we have been looking for a CF and CH for a year now and still we target 'maybes'. If the owners were truly ambitious and 'do whatever it takes' the players would be with us by now.
Just to clarify, I don't have any issues with not signing players if that is the Board's stance. I take issue with the comments of 'whatever it takes' etc and then not fulfilling on those statements.

[westcliff white]

I would suggest we give up on these players that are not excited to join us and instead ensure we keep our current squad together by new contracts. We can then develop our promising youth and perhaps look at lower leagues for real potential, albeit risk, and/or loans.
I'm pretty fed up with these players that are effectively saying - "yeah I'll sign if no one else comes in!"

I ant blame the for looking after their selves, we all would. It is frustrating for us as fans but they have to put their careers first. Waris is actually happy to come but as I say wants to wait and see if Celtic (CL participation), Brighton or West Ham firm up their interest, do you think we can compete with those clubs? It is good we are going for players like this as it shows ambition, it is good he would be happy to join, its just one of those things. We are not being slow in the market, quite the opposite we are being pro active and pushing on, take Rolan his agent thought we would wait, we didn't and that caused issues between him, and his agent, him and the club as well. That's why intermediaries have been in touch to see if there is any chance of resurrection and not his agent

I don't blame players either...
I'm just saying that could end up every window waiting and waiting for our real preferences, to end up short and possibly have a negative effect on our season.
I'm really concerned that these 'failures' in the market may have a negative effect on our better players too, and they may start to feel a move away as a good thing?
There are obviously many clubs that would like a good number of our team - I just feel that we should secure them on long, good deals where possible, and not allow big heads to hold us to ransom.

I don't consider them failures we have been ambitious and it may or may not work, a failure is if you cant agree terms etc and that's nit been the case.

most deals these days go to the last weeks of the windows for clubs like ours, those outside the prem I mean, you will get those clubs that will spend stupidly (boro this window) and that may or may not pay off. We cannot afford that, so patience for us is a virtue, Just my opinion.

I would of course like most of our work done early but it is what it is

Call me cynical but I don't think it is ambitious to go after players where it is clear that they will only come to us as a last resort. I think that is wasting time and opportunities. There have to be players out there who would jump at the chance of joining FFC who would benefit the team. I can hear the stats team in September - 'we tried but could not land our targets'. I would repeat we have been looking for a CF and CH for a year now and still we target 'maybes'. If the owners were truly ambitious and 'do whatever it takes' the players would be with us by now.
Just to clarify, I don't have any issues with not signing players if that is the Board's stance. I take issue with the comments of 'whatever it takes' etc and then not fulfilling on those statements.

If we wish to go up we have to look at these players, unless and by the sounds of it you would like to look at the Martins of this world. These guys have the chance to play in the prem with us that's why the consider us and agree terms but wish to keep options open. As MJG said earlier we need to look at top championship or lower end prem players if we shop in the UK and they would do exactly the same


Of course we can blame stats, but how many other teams use stats? do you know? We just honest and openly said we would use them, if we hadn't who would then get the brunt of the frustration Slav? Weghorst for example the scouts were not keen on maybe we should have a pop at them as well

[LVBPTS]

I would suggest we give up on these players that are not excited to join us and instead ensure we keep our current squad together by new contracts. We can then develop our promising youth and perhaps look at lower leagues for real potential, albeit risk, and/or loans.
I'm pretty fed up with these players that are effectively saying - "yeah I'll sign if no one else comes in!"

I ant blame the for looking after their selves, we all would. It is frustrating for us as fans but they have to put their careers first. Waris is actually happy to come but as I say wants to wait and see if Celtic (CL participation), Brighton or West Ham firm up their interest, do you think we can compete with those clubs? It is good we are going for players like this as it shows ambition, it is good he would be happy to join, its just one of those things. We are not being slow in the market, quite the opposite we are being pro active and pushing on, take Rolan his agent thought we would wait, we didn't and that caused issues between him, and his agent, him and the club as well. That's why intermediaries have been in touch to see if there is any chance of resurrection and not his agent

I don't blame players either...
I'm just saying that could end up every window waiting and waiting for our real preferences, to end up short and possibly have a negative effect on our season.
I'm really concerned that these 'failures' in the market may have a negative effect on our better players too, and they may start to feel a move away as a good thing?
There are obviously many clubs that would like a good number of our team - I just feel that we should secure them on long, good deals where possible, and not allow big heads to hold us to ransom.

I don't consider them failures we have been ambitious and it may or may not work, a failure is if you cant agree terms etc and that's nit been the case.

most deals these days go to the last weeks of the windows for clubs like ours, those outside the prem I mean, you will get those clubs that will spend stupidly (boro this window) and that may or may not pay off. We cannot afford that, so patience for us is a virtue, Just my opinion.

I would of course like most of our work done early but it is what it is

Call me cynical but I don't think it is ambitious to go after players where it is clear that they will only come to us as a last resort. I think that is wasting time and opportunities. There have to be players out there who would jump at the chance of joining FFC who would benefit the team. I can hear the stats team in September - 'we tried but could not land our targets'. I would repeat we have been looking for a CF and CH for a year now and still we target 'maybes'. If the owners were truly ambitious and 'do whatever it takes' the players would be with us by now.
Just to clarify, I don't have any issues with not signing players if that is the Board's stance. I take issue with the comments of 'whatever it takes' etc and then not fulfilling on those statements.

If we wish to go up we have to look at these players, unless and by the sounds of it you would like to look at the Martins of this world. These guys have the chance to play in the prem with us that's why the consider us and agree terms but wish to keep options open. As MJG said earlier we need to look at top championship or lower end prem players if we shop in the UK and they would do exactly the same


Of course we can blame stats, but how many other teams use stats? do you know? We just honest and openly said we would use them, if we hadn't who would then get the brunt of the frustration Slav? Weghorst for example the scouts were not keen on maybe we should have a pop at them as well

Also factor in the prices of players in the English leagues. £18.5m for gray prices the point that they are all going to be inflated prices so looking elsewhere at half the price makes economic sense and I'm really happy with the club and what we are doing

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[Lighthouse]

Bottom line is we still haven't actually improved our chances by signing anyone who will take us closer to promotion.  :bang head:

[westcliff white]

Bottom line is we still haven't actually improved our chances by signing anyone who will take us closer to promotion.  :bang head:

nope but we will

[Arthur]

Bottom line is we still haven't actually improved our chances by signing anyone who will take us closer to promotion.

No, we haven't, but as W.W. points out, in our position, patience is a virtue.

The transfer window closes in 3 weeks' time. There will still be 41 games to play. We could lose patience and spend our budget on players who will join us now but probably won't take us closer to promotion. Or we can wait until the final few days and hope that a player such as Waris (whom we know will be leaving L'Orient and who would improve our promotion prospects) does not receive an offer from a P.L. club.

The Club is having to gamble, however it decides to proceed.

[fulhamben]

Bottom line is we still haven't actually improved our chances by signing anyone who will take us closer to promotion.  :bang head:

kamara looks better than Martin to me so I'd say he improves our chances

[SP]

Didn't catch the name but Steve Bruce said tonight a Championship club had bid for one of his players.

[westcliff white]

If you were to take all the good players we already have and the best players from each of the other top 5-10 teams in this division then ask what time in the window they signed for their respective clubs, I expect the majority signed before the start of the season.

Kalas, Cairney, McDonald, Aluko, Ayite... did we have to wait until late August for them to agree to join us. No.

So plainly it's possible to sign players of that quality earlier.

It's about balance isn't it. For a couple of players of course you can take your chances in the late stages of the window perhaps but when you have vital needs in key positions it seems a bit stupid to leave that subject to the whim or Brighton or Celtic, particularly when our club has a uniquely high propensity to get shafted in those circumstances these days.

It is possible and the signing of Kalas, piazon and hopefully Kamara shows that, but unless you want to go crazy like Boro then patience is needed. Personally I think over 25 odd million on 3 strikers is ridiculous given the rest of that squad is bang average.

As you say it is about balance and I reckon with the 4/5 signings we have made we will now make 2/3 more and that isn't a bad balance at the start of a window and towards the end of the window.

It is all frustrating for fans, me as well, but we have to believe that the club are doing it right, if we do t we might as well give up

[westcliff white]

Didn't catch the name but Steve Bruce said tonight a Championship club had bid for one of his players.

Bacuna

[Arthur]

Kalas, Cairney, McDonald, Aluko, Ayite... did we have to wait until late August for them to agree to join us. No.

So plainly it's possible to sign players of that quality earlier.

It is. But maybe that was then and this is now.

I may have missed some things, but aside from Middlesbrough splurging their parachute payment and Wolves persuading Neves to 'drop down' to the Championship in unique circumstances, how many other Championship clubs have signed anybody who has provoked the sort of outcry or reaction on here that 'he would have been ideal for us'?

Regardless of what has been possible in previous years, the story of this summer's transfer window suggests that the number of high-quality players who are prepared to join a club in this league has, up to now, been very limited indeed.