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The Official FOF Silly Season Summer Transfer Thread 2017-18

Started by Friendsoffulham, May 06, 2017, 11:58:13 PM

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ffcannom

Quote from: General on August 29, 2017, 02:41:25 PM
Does anyone have any updates on the William remy story?

If we got forestieri, engels, jota and remy all over the line that'd be pretty magical.
If we get all of them that would be a huge but I doubt that. I see it as either FF or Jota. Engles would be the biggest signing for me if we get him. The guy is a brick wall in defence.

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Marcel_Gecov

Quote from: ffcannom on August 29, 2017, 02:39:37 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 29, 2017, 02:34:42 PM
Quote from: ffcannom on August 29, 2017, 02:33:10 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 29, 2017, 02:28:49 PM
Quote from: westcliff white on August 29, 2017, 02:25:30 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 29, 2017, 02:23:26 PM
Is this a new rumour? Bodin's 25, so i can't see him coming to us to warm the bench.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/pne-cardiff-city-fulham-hull-394687

PNE, Cardiff City, Fulham and Hull City all after Bristol Rovers star Billy Bodin

Bristol Rovers' goal scoring midfielder Billy Bodin is wanted by four Championship clubs, according to reports.

The Daily Mail is reporting Preston North End, Fulham, Hull City and Cardiff City are all in for Bodin who has been in stunning form for the Pirates at the start of the new season.

However a fee of just £250,000 is being touted as the starting price for the man who has scored five goals in six games for Rovers this season.
Bodin's good start to 2017/18 continues his great form in League One from last season, scoring 16 goals in his last 28 league appearances, with particularly hot form at the Memorial Stadium, scoring 12 in his last 14 home games.

The departure of Bodin would come as a massive blow to Darrell Clarke's ambitions of Rovers improving on their 10th place finish in League One last season, especially with little time to be able to replace one of his key playmakers and goal threats.

Preston North End are likely leading contenders for his signature due to the uncertain future of striker Jordan Hugill who has today handed in a transfer request, although it has been rejected by the club.

he wouldn't shift any of those we have now form the starting lineup, well not for me anyway
Speculative journalism methinks

£250,000 would be good for the moneyball model tho.
Fulham F.C needs to eradicate this money ball model! Ffs

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Nonsense, the proof it works can be seen in the Aluko situation. What is your reasons for thinking we need to get rid?
Our manager needs a say to every single singing. I'm against someone else having looking at stats for players and deciding to bring them in on those basis. The only reason it's worked so far is because Joka is a brilliant manager, but I'm sure wed have a better team if Joka did all the signings himself.

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Again - nonsense. Firstly, Joka is a head coach, not a manager. Secondly, think about a clubs succesion planning. The average tenure of a football manager is 1.31 years if the club let the manager do all the signings themselves then every 15-16 months we'd be shipping out the players they bought and bringing in new ones. This way the club has a clear strategy and potential have a choice to buy into it or not. Would you prefer the current 'moneyball' method (though it isn't moneyball, read the book) or Sanchez, jol, Magath etc who had a say and bought some horrendous players. The clubs future is secure with the current setup.

Also, Where's your evidence  that Joka would sign better players? The one player we know about who was his choice was Jozabed - look how that turned out.

aaronmcguigan

Quote from: ffcannom on August 29, 2017, 02:39:37 PM

Our manager needs a say to every single singing. I'm against someone else having looking at stats for players and deciding to bring them in on those basis. The only reason it's worked so far is because Joka is a brilliant manager, but I'm sure wed have a better team if Joka did all the signings himself.

There is literally no proof of what you're saying. There is proof the current model works , and Joka had no control at Watford and Fulham yet was able  to improve the given players in his system/ style and coaching.  The reason it's worked is because Slav is a great head coach, not because he is a great manager.
We can't and shouldn't go back to giving a manager full control over signings given our history with that model and Slavs history for sticking around in jobs.
i don't see how you can prove nor why you would state that we would have a better team if Joka picks the signings himself.



Barrett487

#6003
Quote from: General on August 29, 2017, 02:41:25 PM
Does anyone have any updates on the William remy story?

If we got forestieri, engels, jota and remy all over the line that'd be pretty magical.

https://www.les-transferts.com/ligue-1/montpellier-accord-avec-remy-105833.html

Montpellier: Agreement with Rémy?

At the end of his last championship meeting, the Montpellier team could announce a first summer rookie.

According to Le10Sport , it would be the defender William Rémy (24 years). At the end of the contract with Dijon , the latter would have agreed to join the Hérault club.

Marcel_Gecov

Quote from: Newry FFC on August 29, 2017, 02:49:01 PM
Quote from: ffcannom on August 29, 2017, 02:39:37 PM

Our manager needs a say to every single singing. I'm against someone else having looking at stats for players and deciding to bring them in on those basis. The only reason it's worked so far is because Joka is a brilliant manager, but I'm sure wed have a better team if Joka did all the signings himself.

There is literally no proof of what you're saying. There is proof the current model works , and Joka had no control at Watford and Fulham yet was able  to improve the given players in his system/ style and coaching.  The reason it's worked is because Slav is a great head coach, not because he is a great manager.
We can't and shouldn't go back to giving a manager full control over signings given our history with that model and Slavs history for sticking around in jobs.
i don't see how you can prove nor why you would state that we would have a better team if Joka picks the signings himself.
+1 Newry

Guys, I think we've found the new nose

ffcannom

Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 29, 2017, 02:45:53 PM
Quote from: ffcannom on August 29, 2017, 02:39:37 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 29, 2017, 02:34:42 PM
Quote from: ffcannom on August 29, 2017, 02:33:10 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 29, 2017, 02:28:49 PM
Quote from: westcliff white on August 29, 2017, 02:25:30 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 29, 2017, 02:23:26 PM
Is this a new rumour? Bodin's 25, so i can't see him coming to us to warm the bench.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/pne-cardiff-city-fulham-hull-394687

PNE, Cardiff City, Fulham and Hull City all after Bristol Rovers star Billy Bodin

Bristol Rovers' goal scoring midfielder Billy Bodin is wanted by four Championship clubs, according to reports.

The Daily Mail is reporting Preston North End, Fulham, Hull City and Cardiff City are all in for Bodin who has been in stunning form for the Pirates at the start of the new season.

However a fee of just £250,000 is being touted as the starting price for the man who has scored five goals in six games for Rovers this season.
Bodin's good start to 2017/18 continues his great form in League One from last season, scoring 16 goals in his last 28 league appearances, with particularly hot form at the Memorial Stadium, scoring 12 in his last 14 home games.

The departure of Bodin would come as a massive blow to Darrell Clarke's ambitions of Rovers improving on their 10th place finish in League One last season, especially with little time to be able to replace one of his key playmakers and goal threats.

Preston North End are likely leading contenders for his signature due to the uncertain future of striker Jordan Hugill who has today handed in a transfer request, although it has been rejected by the club.

he wouldn't shift any of those we have now form the starting lineup, well not for me anyway
Speculative journalism methinks

£250,000 would be good for the moneyball model tho.
Fulham F.C needs to eradicate this money ball model! Ffs

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Nonsense, the proof it works can be seen in the Aluko situation. What is your reasons for thinking we need to get rid?
Our manager needs a say to every single singing. I'm against someone else having looking at stats for players and deciding to bring them in on those basis. The only reason it's worked so far is because Joka is a brilliant manager, but I'm sure wed have a better team if Joka did all the signings himself.

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Again - nonsense. Firstly, Joka is a head coach, not a manager. Secondly, think about a clubs succesion planning. The average tenure of a football manager is 1.31 years if the club let the manager do all the signings themselves then every 15-16 months we'd be shipping out the players they bought and bringing in new ones. This way the club has a clear strategy and potential have a choice to buy into it or not. Would you prefer the current 'moneyball' method (though it isn't moneyball, read the book) or Sanchez, jol, Magath etc who had a say and bought some horrendous players. The clubs future is secure with the current setup.

Also, Where's your evidence  that Joka would sign better players? The one player we know about who was his choice was Jozabed - look how that turned out.
If this is such a great model then why don't other clubs use this model? Does this model prove to be more successful for clubs with smaller budgets? I can't see top flight clubs using this model.

It's great to have stats to hand but to use them solely to sign players is not a great model in my opinion. The manager/coach gets players we may not potentially want or like.

Mate this is a forum where people get to voice their views and opinions. This isn't an investigation or a factual wiki page, so calm down on the evidence. What evidence do you have for anything??

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ffcannom

Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 29, 2017, 02:53:02 PM
Quote from: Newry FFC on August 29, 2017, 02:49:01 PM
Quote from: ffcannom on August 29, 2017, 02:39:37 PM

Our manager needs a say to every single singing. I'm against someone else having looking at stats for players and deciding to bring them in on those basis. The only reason it's worked so far is because Joka is a brilliant manager, but I'm sure wed have a better team if Joka did all the signings himself.

There is literally no proof of what you're saying. There is proof the current model works , and Joka had no control at Watford and Fulham yet was able  to improve the given players in his system/ style and coaching.  The reason it's worked is because Slav is a great head coach, not because he is a great manager.
We can't and shouldn't go back to giving a manager full control over signings given our history with that model and Slavs history for sticking around in jobs.
i don't see how you can prove nor why you would state that we would have a better team if Joka picks the signings himself.
+1 Newry

Guys, I think we've found the new nose
Not familiar with the forum lingo - wtf is nose?

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Marcel_Gecov

Quote from: ffcannom on August 29, 2017, 02:56:02 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 29, 2017, 02:53:02 PM
Quote from: Newry FFC on August 29, 2017, 02:49:01 PM
Quote from: ffcannom on August 29, 2017, 02:39:37 PM

Our manager needs a say to every single singing. I'm against someone else having looking at stats for players and deciding to bring them in on those basis. The only reason it's worked so far is because Joka is a brilliant manager, but I'm sure wed have a better team if Joka did all the signings himself.

There is literally no proof of what you're saying. There is proof the current model works , and Joka had no control at Watford and Fulham yet was able  to improve the given players in his system/ style and coaching.  The reason it's worked is because Slav is a great head coach, not because he is a great manager.
We can't and shouldn't go back to giving a manager full control over signings given our history with that model and Slavs history for sticking around in jobs.
i don't see how you can prove nor why you would state that we would have a better team if Joka picks the signings himself.
+1 Newry

Guys, I think we've found the new nose
Not familiar with the forum lingo - wtf is nose?

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Another WUM

MJG

Quote from: ffcannom on August 29, 2017, 02:53:09 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 29, 2017, 02:45:53 PM
Quote from: ffcannom on August 29, 2017, 02:39:37 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 29, 2017, 02:34:42 PM
Quote from: ffcannom on August 29, 2017, 02:33:10 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 29, 2017, 02:28:49 PM
Quote from: westcliff white on August 29, 2017, 02:25:30 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 29, 2017, 02:23:26 PM
Is this a new rumour? Bodin's 25, so i can't see him coming to us to warm the bench.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/pne-cardiff-city-fulham-hull-394687

PNE, Cardiff City, Fulham and Hull City all after Bristol Rovers star Billy Bodin

Bristol Rovers' goal scoring midfielder Billy Bodin is wanted by four Championship clubs, according to reports.

The Daily Mail is reporting Preston North End, Fulham, Hull City and Cardiff City are all in for Bodin who has been in stunning form for the Pirates at the start of the new season.

However a fee of just £250,000 is being touted as the starting price for the man who has scored five goals in six games for Rovers this season.
Bodin's good start to 2017/18 continues his great form in League One from last season, scoring 16 goals in his last 28 league appearances, with particularly hot form at the Memorial Stadium, scoring 12 in his last 14 home games.

The departure of Bodin would come as a massive blow to Darrell Clarke's ambitions of Rovers improving on their 10th place finish in League One last season, especially with little time to be able to replace one of his key playmakers and goal threats.

Preston North End are likely leading contenders for his signature due to the uncertain future of striker Jordan Hugill who has today handed in a transfer request, although it has been rejected by the club.

he wouldn't shift any of those we have now form the starting lineup, well not for me anyway
Speculative journalism methinks

£250,000 would be good for the moneyball model tho.
Fulham F.C needs to eradicate this money ball model! Ffs

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Nonsense, the proof it works can be seen in the Aluko situation. What is your reasons for thinking we need to get rid?
Our manager needs a say to every single singing. I'm against someone else having looking at stats for players and deciding to bring them in on those basis. The only reason it's worked so far is because Joka is a brilliant manager, but I'm sure wed have a better team if Joka did all the signings himself.

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Again - nonsense. Firstly, Joka is a head coach, not a manager. Secondly, think about a clubs succesion planning. The average tenure of a football manager is 1.31 years if the club let the manager do all the signings themselves then every 15-16 months we'd be shipping out the players they bought and bringing in new ones. This way the club has a clear strategy and potential have a choice to buy into it or not. Would you prefer the current 'moneyball' method (though it isn't moneyball, read the book) or Sanchez, jol, Magath etc who had a say and bought some horrendous players. The clubs future is secure with the current setup.

Also, Where's your evidence  that Joka would sign better players? The one player we know about who was his choice was Jozabed - look how that turned out.
If this is such a great model then why don't other clubs use this model? Does this model prove to be more successful for clubs with smaller budgets? I can't see top flight clubs using this model.

It's great to have stats to hand but to use them solely to sign players is not a great model in my opinion. The manager/coach gets players we may not potentially want or like.

Mate this is a forum where people get to voice their views and opinions. This isn't an investigation or a factual wiki page, so calm down on the evidence. What evidence do you have for anything??

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Swansea and Southampton have had similar arrangements(business models) where the good of the club is above that of the current manager/coach. They have to fit their system of play and running of the club, not the other way round.
Just the views of a long term fan


westcliff white

Quote from: ffcannom on August 29, 2017, 02:33:10 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 29, 2017, 02:28:49 PM
Quote from: westcliff white on August 29, 2017, 02:25:30 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 29, 2017, 02:23:26 PM
Is this a new rumour? Bodin's 25, so i can't see him coming to us to warm the bench.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/pne-cardiff-city-fulham-hull-394687

PNE, Cardiff City, Fulham and Hull City all after Bristol Rovers star Billy Bodin

Bristol Rovers' goal scoring midfielder Billy Bodin is wanted by four Championship clubs, according to reports.

The Daily Mail is reporting Preston North End, Fulham, Hull City and Cardiff City are all in for Bodin who has been in stunning form for the Pirates at the start of the new season.

However a fee of just £250,000 is being touted as the starting price for the man who has scored five goals in six games for Rovers this season.
Bodin's good start to 2017/18 continues his great form in League One from last season, scoring 16 goals in his last 28 league appearances, with particularly hot form at the Memorial Stadium, scoring 12 in his last 14 home games.

The departure of Bodin would come as a massive blow to Darrell Clarke's ambitions of Rovers improving on their 10th place finish in League One last season, especially with little time to be able to replace one of his key playmakers and goal threats.

Preston North End are likely leading contenders for his signature due to the uncertain future of striker Jordan Hugill who has today handed in a transfer request, although it has been rejected by the club.

he wouldn't shift any of those we have now form the starting lineup, well not for me anyway
Speculative journalism methinks

£250,000 would be good for the moneyball model tho.
Fulham F.C needs to eradicate this money ball model! Ffs

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some work and some don't, same every way you do them. Any complaints about last years signing other than Martin? according to rumours they were all Moneyball signings. Personally sick and tired of the discussion, we have to accept it as it is here as it stands.
Every day is a Fulham day

grandad

Most modern progressive clubs do use stats for their transfer dealings. Very few managers these days get involved with the actual transfers.
Our 2 boxes checked system is fine by me & will be used by more & more clubs. Our Slavisa has more important duties as a coach to be bothered with haggling with agents.
Where there's a will there's a wife

westcliff white

Quote from: ffcannom on August 29, 2017, 02:39:37 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 29, 2017, 02:34:42 PM
Quote from: ffcannom on August 29, 2017, 02:33:10 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 29, 2017, 02:28:49 PM
Quote from: westcliff white on August 29, 2017, 02:25:30 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 29, 2017, 02:23:26 PM
Is this a new rumour? Bodin's 25, so i can't see him coming to us to warm the bench.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/pne-cardiff-city-fulham-hull-394687

PNE, Cardiff City, Fulham and Hull City all after Bristol Rovers star Billy Bodin

Bristol Rovers' goal scoring midfielder Billy Bodin is wanted by four Championship clubs, according to reports.

The Daily Mail is reporting Preston North End, Fulham, Hull City and Cardiff City are all in for Bodin who has been in stunning form for the Pirates at the start of the new season.

However a fee of just £250,000 is being touted as the starting price for the man who has scored five goals in six games for Rovers this season.
Bodin's good start to 2017/18 continues his great form in League One from last season, scoring 16 goals in his last 28 league appearances, with particularly hot form at the Memorial Stadium, scoring 12 in his last 14 home games.

The departure of Bodin would come as a massive blow to Darrell Clarke's ambitions of Rovers improving on their 10th place finish in League One last season, especially with little time to be able to replace one of his key playmakers and goal threats.

Preston North End are likely leading contenders for his signature due to the uncertain future of striker Jordan Hugill who has today handed in a transfer request, although it has been rejected by the club.

he wouldn't shift any of those we have now form the starting lineup, well not for me anyway
Speculative journalism methinks

£250,000 would be good for the moneyball model tho.
Fulham F.C needs to eradicate this money ball model! Ffs

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Nonsense, the proof it works can be seen in the Aluko situation. What is your reasons for thinking we need to get rid?
Our manager needs a say to every single singing. I'm against someone else having looking at stats for players and deciding to bring them in on those basis. The only reason it's worked so far is because Joka is a brilliant manager, but I'm sure wed have a better team if Joka did all the signings himself.

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Look at most of the top clubs in europe they all work with the coach working with the players signed, seems to work at Barca, real quite well. They may not use moneyball, but they use some form of analysis as well and I would reckon some of that (maybe not as much as some other clubs) is down to stats
Every day is a Fulham day


ffcannom

Quote from: MJG on August 29, 2017, 03:02:38 PM
Quote from: ffcannom on August 29, 2017, 02:53:09 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 29, 2017, 02:45:53 PM
Quote from: ffcannom on August 29, 2017, 02:39:37 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 29, 2017, 02:34:42 PM
Quote from: ffcannom on August 29, 2017, 02:33:10 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 29, 2017, 02:28:49 PM
Quote from: westcliff white on August 29, 2017, 02:25:30 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 29, 2017, 02:23:26 PM
Is this a new rumour? Bodin's 25, so i can't see him coming to us to warm the bench.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/pne-cardiff-city-fulham-hull-394687

PNE, Cardiff City, Fulham and Hull City all after Bristol Rovers star Billy Bodin

Bristol Rovers' goal scoring midfielder Billy Bodin is wanted by four Championship clubs, according to reports.

The Daily Mail is reporting Preston North End, Fulham, Hull City and Cardiff City are all in for Bodin who has been in stunning form for the Pirates at the start of the new season.

However a fee of just £250,000 is being touted as the starting price for the man who has scored five goals in six games for Rovers this season.
Bodin's good start to 2017/18 continues his great form in League One from last season, scoring 16 goals in his last 28 league appearances, with particularly hot form at the Memorial Stadium, scoring 12 in his last 14 home games.

The departure of Bodin would come as a massive blow to Darrell Clarke's ambitions of Rovers improving on their 10th place finish in League One last season, especially with little time to be able to replace one of his key playmakers and goal threats.

Preston North End are likely leading contenders for his signature due to the uncertain future of striker Jordan Hugill who has today handed in a transfer request, although it has been rejected by the club.

he wouldn't shift any of those we have now form the starting lineup, well not for me anyway
Speculative journalism methinks

£250,000 would be good for the moneyball model tho.
Fulham F.C needs to eradicate this money ball model! Ffs

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Nonsense, the proof it works can be seen in the Aluko situation. What is your reasons for thinking we need to get rid?
Our manager needs a say to every single singing. I'm against someone else having looking at stats for players and deciding to bring them in on those basis. The only reason it's worked so far is because Joka is a brilliant manager, but I'm sure wed have a better team if Joka did all the signings himself.

Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

Again - nonsense. Firstly, Joka is a head coach, not a manager. Secondly, think about a clubs succesion planning. The average tenure of a football manager is 1.31 years if the club let the manager do all the signings themselves then every 15-16 months we'd be shipping out the players they bought and bringing in new ones. This way the club has a clear strategy and potential have a choice to buy into it or not. Would you prefer the current 'moneyball' method (though it isn't moneyball, read the book) or Sanchez, jol, Magath etc who had a say and bought some horrendous players. The clubs future is secure with the current setup.

Also, Where's your evidence  that Joka would sign better players? The one player we know about who was his choice was Jozabed - look how that turned out.
If this is such a great model then why don't other clubs use this model? Does this model prove to be more successful for clubs with smaller budgets? I can't see top flight clubs using this model.

It's great to have stats to hand but to use them solely to sign players is not a great model in my opinion. The manager/coach gets players we may not potentially want or like.

Mate this is a forum where people get to voice their views and opinions. This isn't an investigation or a factual wiki page, so calm down on the evidence. What evidence do you have for anything??

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Swansea and Southampton have had similar arrangements(business models) where the good of the club is above that of the current manager/coach. They have to fit their system of play and running of the club, not the other way round.
OK so far it seems that this model works (well it hasn't really worked out well for Swansea) for clubs with smaller budgets, where stats is king (proof in the pudding, almost as a secure net that you're signing a player on a punt because they may have had a good spell).

Obviously the bigger clubs don't use this model, with bigger budgets to take on more risk and a better scouting system in place, probably there is no need for such model like the one we have in place.

Why did Mark Hughes want to leave again?

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westcliff white

Quote from: General on August 29, 2017, 02:41:25 PM
Does anyone have any updates on the William remy story?

If we got forestieri, engels, jota and remy all over the line that'd be pretty magical.
all we did was enquire and took it no further, player has higher ambitions
Every day is a Fulham day

westcliff white

Quote from: Statto on August 29, 2017, 03:10:00 PM
Any complaints about last year's signings other than Martin?


Jozabed and Sigurdsson for a start
forgot those two, oops.

but Ayite, Johansen, Aluko, etc all alledgedly stats based (even though 2 were fairly well known players)
Every day is a Fulham day


Keynsham

The funny thing about this stats malarkey is so many moan about it, and yet so many use stats themselves when arguing about a new signing, or if one midfielder is better than the other etc.

It's here, it is what it is and it seems to be working rather well at present.  People need to realise that and stop letting this thing ruin their lives.

MJG

Quote from: ffcannom on August 29, 2017, 03:09:56 PM
Quote from: MJG on August 29, 2017, 03:02:38 PM
Quote from: ffcannom on August 29, 2017, 02:53:09 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 29, 2017, 02:45:53 PM
Quote from: ffcannom on August 29, 2017, 02:39:37 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 29, 2017, 02:34:42 PM
Quote from: ffcannom on August 29, 2017, 02:33:10 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 29, 2017, 02:28:49 PM
Quote from: westcliff white on August 29, 2017, 02:25:30 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 29, 2017, 02:23:26 PM
Is this a new rumour? Bodin's 25, so i can't see him coming to us to warm the bench.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/pne-cardiff-city-fulham-hull-394687

PNE, Cardiff City, Fulham and Hull City all after Bristol Rovers star Billy Bodin

Bristol Rovers' goal scoring midfielder Billy Bodin is wanted by four Championship clubs, according to reports.

The Daily Mail is reporting Preston North End, Fulham, Hull City and Cardiff City are all in for Bodin who has been in stunning form for the Pirates at the start of the new season.

However a fee of just £250,000 is being touted as the starting price for the man who has scored five goals in six games for Rovers this season.
Bodin's good start to 2017/18 continues his great form in League One from last season, scoring 16 goals in his last 28 league appearances, with particularly hot form at the Memorial Stadium, scoring 12 in his last 14 home games.

The departure of Bodin would come as a massive blow to Darrell Clarke's ambitions of Rovers improving on their 10th place finish in League One last season, especially with little time to be able to replace one of his key playmakers and goal threats.

Preston North End are likely leading contenders for his signature due to the uncertain future of striker Jordan Hugill who has today handed in a transfer request, although it has been rejected by the club.

he wouldn't shift any of those we have now form the starting lineup, well not for me anyway
Speculative journalism methinks

£250,000 would be good for the moneyball model tho.
Fulham F.C needs to eradicate this money ball model! Ffs

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Nonsense, the proof it works can be seen in the Aluko situation. What is your reasons for thinking we need to get rid?
Our manager needs a say to every single singing. I'm against someone else having looking at stats for players and deciding to bring them in on those basis. The only reason it's worked so far is because Joka is a brilliant manager, but I'm sure wed have a better team if Joka did all the signings himself.

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Again - nonsense. Firstly, Joka is a head coach, not a manager. Secondly, think about a clubs succesion planning. The average tenure of a football manager is 1.31 years if the club let the manager do all the signings themselves then every 15-16 months we'd be shipping out the players they bought and bringing in new ones. This way the club has a clear strategy and potential have a choice to buy into it or not. Would you prefer the current 'moneyball' method (though it isn't moneyball, read the book) or Sanchez, jol, Magath etc who had a say and bought some horrendous players. The clubs future is secure with the current setup.

Also, Where's your evidence  that Joka would sign better players? The one player we know about who was his choice was Jozabed - look how that turned out.
If this is such a great model then why don't other clubs use this model? Does this model prove to be more successful for clubs with smaller budgets? I can't see top flight clubs using this model.

It's great to have stats to hand but to use them solely to sign players is not a great model in my opinion. The manager/coach gets players we may not potentially want or like.

Mate this is a forum where people get to voice their views and opinions. This isn't an investigation or a factual wiki page, so calm down on the evidence. What evidence do you have for anything??

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Swansea and Southampton have had similar arrangements(business models) where the good of the club is above that of the current manager/coach. They have to fit their system of play and running of the club, not the other way round.
OK so far it seems that this model works (well it hasn't really worked out well for Swansea) for clubs with smaller budgets, where stats is king (proof in the pudding, almost as a secure net that you're signing a player on a punt because they may have had a good spell).

Obviously the bigger clubs don't use this model, with bigger budgets to take on more risk and a better scouting system in place, probably there is no need for such model like the one we have in place.

Why did Mark Hughes want to leave again?

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He said ambition (under MAF) but he also then said he made a mistake and regretted leaving.

Last time I looked Swansea were still in the PL have used that same model for quite a while. The one time they moved away from it things started to go wrong.
Just the views of a long term fan

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Is this a new rumour? Bodin's 25, so i can't see him coming to us to warm the bench.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/pne-cardiff-city-fulham-hull-394687

PNE, Cardiff City, Fulham and Hull City all after Bristol Rovers star Billy Bodin

Bristol Rovers' goal scoring midfielder Billy Bodin is wanted by four Championship clubs, according to reports.

The Daily Mail is reporting Preston North End, Fulham, Hull City and Cardiff City are all in for Bodin who has been in stunning form for the Pirates at the start of the new season.

However a fee of just £250,000 is being touted as the starting price for the man who has scored five goals in six games for Rovers this season.
Bodin's good start to 2017/18 continues his great form in League One from last season, scoring 16 goals in his last 28 league appearances, with particularly hot form at the Memorial Stadium, scoring 12 in his last 14 home games.

The departure of Bodin would come as a massive blow to Darrell Clarke's ambitions of Rovers improving on their 10th place finish in League One last season, especially with little time to be able to replace one of his key playmakers and goal threats.

Preston North End are likely leading contenders for his signature due to the uncertain future of striker Jordan Hugill who has today handed in a transfer request, although it has been rejected by the club.

he wouldn't shift any of those we have now form the starting lineup, well not for me anyway
Speculative journalism methinks

£250,000 would be good for the moneyball model tho.
Fulham F.C needs to eradicate this money ball model! Ffs

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Nonsense, the proof it works can be seen in the Aluko situation. What is your reasons for thinking we need to get rid?
Our manager needs a say to every single singing. I'm against someone else having looking at stats for players and deciding to bring them in on those basis. The only reason it's worked so far is because Joka is a brilliant manager, but I'm sure wed have a better team if Joka did all the signings himself.

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Look at most of the top clubs in europe they all work with the coach working with the players signed, seems to work at Barca, real quite well. They may not use moneyball, but they use some form of analysis as well and I would reckon some of that (maybe not as much as some other clubs) is down to stats
Obviously stats are in use, I'd be shocked of clubs don't look at them at all.

The point I am making is that; it seems that stats is king at our beloved FFC and Joka has very little say in transfers. This is what I do not agree with for many logical reasons.

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FulhamStu

For the 100th time. 

Our transfer process is that Stats and Scouting  BOTH have to agree a new recruit, then the head coach gets the final say if he wants the player or not.  If the head coach wants a player, that can work but the Stats and Scouting teams have to both approve.

Talbot is in charge of scouting, Kline is in charge of stats, Jokanovic is head coach.  All 3 need to agree before we will try and sign a player, then Mackintosh does the ££ and contract negotiation.

Why oh why this is debated so much when everyone by now should understand how Fulham's transfer politics works I just don't understand, unless you keep your head in the sand I suppose.

We are NOT STATS LEAD any more than Scouting lead it's part of the process !

ffcannom

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For the 100th time. 

The system is Stats and Scouting BOTH have to agree a new recruit, the the head coach gets the final say if he wants the player.  If the head coach wants a player, that can work but the
Stats and Scouting team have to approve.

Talbot is in charge of scouting, Kline is in charge of stats, Jokanovic is head coach.  All 3 need to agree before we will try and sign a player, then Mackintosh does the ££ and contract negotiation.

Why oh why this is debated so much when everyone by now should understand how Fulham's transfer politics works I just don't understand, unless you keep your head in the sand I suppose.

We are NOT STATS LEAD, it's part of the process !
OK this is clear - thank you. I must have missed the previous 99 posts about this.

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