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Re: Injury update
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2019, 04:18:43 PM »
Hopefully we will have a couple of players back soon.

Do we really know that Johansen needs a rest? Didn't he receive some kind of treatment or minor surgery during the international break? Wasn't that the reason he didn't play for Norway? And what's this nonsense about "Norway's doctors want...". Does anyone on this forum know what "Norway's doctors" want? I don't think so. If anything Norway should want him match fit, not rested until the Euros.

MLM probably long term injury but I don't see the problem? If he was our only option at LB everyone would be crying out for the tea lady instead. We've got Odoi and S.Sess as backup on LB. Odoi is a far better player than MLM and probably Sess too. Not so sure about Christie on LB though.. isn't he very much RB/RW only?

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The StefJo comments seem mostly fabricated out of limited information. As far as I am aware we just know that he had some sort of problem which meant that he declined to play for Norway (but could still play for Fulham). That's basically it. It should also be noted that Norway were basically already out of the running for the automatic places for the Euros (needing Sweden to lose to Romania and drop points to Faroe Islands) and also had two really easy games that they would most likely win without Johansen.

Probably a no-brainer  at the time, but doesn't in any way have to mean that he cannot keep on playing for us now. Unless someone has more information that is.

FWIW here's the Norwegian Team Manager's reported assessment of the situation a few weeks ago:


Fulham’s Stefan Johansen was included in Lars Lagerbäck’s Norway squad for the fixtures against Faroe Islands (15 Nov) and Malta (18 Nov), but was forced to withdraw last Friday due to injury.

A day later, the midfielder played the entire match for the Cottagers during their 1-0 win over Birmingham City and this left Lagerbäck’s assistant Per Joar Hansen surprised.

Hansen had stressed he is unaware why the 28-year-old featured for his club, and said only the Championship side will be able to provide an explanation.

A potential conflict between club and country over player’s fitness has now been ruled out after Lagerbäck provided a detailed explanation about Johansen’s injury situation.

“For me, there is no fuss. Definitely not. Stefan has a knee problem that needs to be treated medically,” the Norway boss told TV2.

“He has been able to play with pain, so the injury would not worsen, but he needs to get treatment and then rest for a few weeks, so for me it is quite natural.

“Last time I talked to Stefan he did not know that he was going to play this weekend, but I have full understanding and respect that the manager considers it best to let him play in the situation they are in. I have full understanding of that decision.”

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Re: Injury update
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2019, 04:44:06 PM »

FWIW here's the Norwegian Team Manager's reported assessment of the situation a few weeks ago:


Fulham’s Stefan Johansen was included in Lars Lagerbäck’s Norway squad for the fixtures against Faroe Islands (15 Nov) and Malta (18 Nov), but was forced to withdraw last Friday due to injury.

A day later, the midfielder played the entire match for the Cottagers during their 1-0 win over Birmingham City and this left Lagerbäck’s assistant Per Joar Hansen surprised.

Hansen had stressed he is unaware why the 28-year-old featured for his club, and said only the Championship side will be able to provide an explanation.

A potential conflict between club and country over player’s fitness has now been ruled out after Lagerbäck provided a detailed explanation about Johansen’s injury situation.

“For me, there is no fuss. Definitely not. Stefan has a knee problem that needs to be treated medically,” the Norway boss told TV2.

“He has been able to play with pain, so the injury would not worsen, but he needs to get treatment and then rest for a few weeks, so for me it is quite natural.

“Last time I talked to Stefan he did not know that he was going to play this weekend, but I have full understanding and respect that the manager considers it best to let him play in the situation they are in. I have full understanding of that decision.”

Yep, that's the only thing I have really seen on this. So we only know that there was some sort of problem, that may or may not still be a problem. It allegedly would not get worse by playing, and was more of a pain management situation. He has been able to play several 90 minute games since, so presumably they do not think that it is a risk of further damage. They'll rest him of course if they believe it is beneficial for him and the club. If they don't, it is likely not because they are crazy, but because they deem it not necessary.

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Re: Injury update
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2019, 04:48:32 PM »
The only starter I want back is Bobby to take Onomah's spot.   Other than that...the team looks set up for Bristol.

Yep.  Reid needs to be starting more games. or, if on bench, coming in for bigger chunks of time.  I see Reid as a catalyst and a player that has already got FFC more up tempo in a few games so far. 


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Re: Injury update
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2019, 11:26:51 PM »
Reid back is the one change I feel essential as we hit a tough run of games.  If, and it is if, Stef Jo needs rest then we have very decent cover.

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Re: Injury update
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2019, 08:56:47 AM »

FWIW here's the Norwegian Team Manager's reported assessment of the situation a few weeks ago:


Fulham’s Stefan Johansen was included in Lars Lagerbäck’s Norway squad for the fixtures against Faroe Islands (15 Nov) and Malta (18 Nov), but was forced to withdraw last Friday due to injury.

A day later, the midfielder played the entire match for the Cottagers during their 1-0 win over Birmingham City and this left Lagerbäck’s assistant Per Joar Hansen surprised.

Hansen had stressed he is unaware why the 28-year-old featured for his club, and said only the Championship side will be able to provide an explanation.

A potential conflict between club and country over player’s fitness has now been ruled out after Lagerbäck provided a detailed explanation about Johansen’s injury situation.

“For me, there is no fuss. Definitely not. Stefan has a knee problem that needs to be treated medically,” the Norway boss told TV2.

“He has been able to play with pain, so the injury would not worsen, but he needs to get treatment and then rest for a few weeks, so for me it is quite natural.

“Last time I talked to Stefan he did not know that he was going to play this weekend, but I have full understanding and respect that the manager considers it best to let him play in the situation they are in. I have full understanding of that decision.”

Yep, that's the only thing I have really seen on this. So we only know that there was some sort of problem, that may or may not still be a problem. It allegedly would not get worse by playing, and was more of a pain management situation. He has been able to play several 90 minute games since, so presumably they do not think that it is a risk of further damage. They'll rest him of course if they believe it is beneficial for him and the club. If they don't, it is likely not because they are crazy, but because they deem it not necessary.

We don't know what it is, although sounds like runners knee, but we do know “he needs to get treatment and then rest for a few weeks" and 12 days is unlikely not enough. If he keeps playing that required rest will get longer and longer, but Scott Parker is probably prepared to play him the next four games and rest him him a little longer when Arter and Reed are back.
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Re: Injury update
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2019, 09:05:28 AM »
Again, you take something we do have some limited information on and extend it to include something we don’t know. More to the point, we don’t know that the required rest will get longer and longer if he keeps playing.

Also, “a few weeks” is a rather vague statement, and it was issued by Lagerbäck, so the details are likely second hand information at best. The same statement also said that the injury would not get worse by playing, which is contrary to your assumption.

Again, he will surely be rested if there is a deemed need for it, but as long as they don’t indicate otherwise I will assume he is available.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2019, 09:12:59 AM by Sting of the North »


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Re: Injury update
« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2019, 09:19:53 AM »
Again, you take something we do have some limited information on and extend it to include something we don’t know. More to the point, we don’t know that the required rest will get longer and longer if he keeps playing.

Also, “a few weeks” is a rather vague statement, and it was issued by Lagerbäck, so the details are likely second hand information at best. The same statement also said that the injury would not get worse by playing, which is contrary to your assumption.

Again, he will surely be rested if there is a deemed need for it, but as long as they don’t indicate otherwise I will assume he is available.

You're correct I don't know what it is and I'm not in the medical field but many of my family are. What I do know is it is a knee condition and there only a limited number that fits his symptoms, it is unlikely to be something rare because doctors normally cautiously rest rare conditions. So, I'd take a guess (just a guess) that its either Patellofemoral Pain Syndrome (runner knee) or Patellar tendinitis, if so StefJo will need a rest to make it through the rest of the season. Even if its another knee condition, it's still high probable to be treated the same way.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2019, 09:38:50 AM by The Rational Fan »

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Re: Injury update
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2019, 09:13:15 AM »
Knee problems are well known to be tricky to deal with but in the case of Johansen I don't think either club or country would take undue risks.  It's down to game management and dealing with the root cause of the problem causing the pain rather like the way Cairney and Mawson have been nursed back to better fitness levels.  None of these players are easily replaced by others - Reed has played well but isn't yet consistent enough, and Arter hasn't impressed me as much as I hoped he might do.  It is also pertinent to listen to what Sean Davis has to say about playing games close together on the Monday Night Fix video discussed elsewhere for an idea about how players feel about match time versus recovery time.

Stefan Johansen is a classy player who makes it possible for Cairney to up his level a notch or three and I suspect Parker knows that too.                 

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Re: Injury update
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2019, 09:34:06 AM »
http://sportwitness.co.uk/surprising-us-national-team-coach-fulhams-decision-play-injured-player-birmingham-win/

The English club’s decision to field the player hasn’t gone down well in Norway, with Lagerbäck’s assistant Per Joar Hansen left surprised. Per Joar Hansen told TV2 “He has a swelling in his knee. Now we have realised that he played today. The reason he reported injured was that he was initially going to use the international break to get rid of that swelling..... It is only the club that can answer why he played, but it was surprising to us that he played today.”

Norway’s physiotherapist Thomas Ødegaard explains Johansen’s omission from the national team was a collective decision taken to allow him recover during the international break"....."It is the best for him during this period when he has struggled with a knee that needs rest. It will benefit Johansen, Fulham and the national team in the future, so this is a decision everyone agrees on."

Norway believe that if Stefjo doesn't get a long enough break then it will hurt the the national team in the future which at its earliest 20th March 2020.
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Re: Injury update
« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2019, 09:41:50 AM »
http://sportwitness.co.uk/surprising-us-national-team-coach-fulhams-decision-play-injured-player-birmingham-win/

The English club’s decision to field the player hasn’t gone down well in Norway, with Lagerbäck’s assistant Per Joar Hansen left surprised. Per Joar Hansen told TV2 “He has a swelling in his knee. Now we have realised that he played today. The reason he reported injured was that he was initially going to use the international break to get rid of that swelling..... It is only the club that can answer why he played, but it was surprising to us that he played today.”

Norway’s physiotherapist Thomas Ødegaard explains Johansen’s omission from the national team was a collective decision taken to allow him recover during the international break"....."It is the best for him during this period when he has struggled with a knee that needs rest. It will benefit Johansen, Fulham and the national team in the future, so this is a decision everyone agrees on."



I'm not sure what they're moaning about (if indeed they are).
Both say that he needed to rest, and I quote the physio "to allow him recover during the international break" or to quote the assistant manager "he was initially going to use the international break to get rid of that swelling".
They do realise that he DID use the break to recover and get rid of the swelling?!?? Very odd, perhaps lost in translation.

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Re: Injury update
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2019, 09:52:27 AM »
http://sportwitness.co.uk/surprising-us-national-team-coach-fulhams-decision-play-injured-player-birmingham-win/

The English club’s decision to field the player hasn’t gone down well in Norway, with Lagerbäck’s assistant Per Joar Hansen left surprised. Per Joar Hansen told TV2 “He has a swelling in his knee. Now we have realised that he played today. The reason he reported injured was that he was initially going to use the international break to get rid of that swelling..... It is only the club that can answer why he played, but it was surprising to us that he played today.”

Norway’s physiotherapist Thomas Ødegaard explains Johansen’s omission from the national team was a collective decision taken to allow him recover during the international break"....."It is the best for him during this period when he has struggled with a knee that needs rest. It will benefit Johansen, Fulham and the national team in the future, so this is a decision everyone agrees on."



I'm not sure what they're moaning about (if indeed they are).
Both say that he needed to rest, and I quote the physio "to allow him recover during the international break" or to quote the assistant manager "he was initially going to use the international break to get rid of that swelling".
They do realise that he DID use the break to recover and get rid of the swelling?!?? Very odd, perhaps lost in translation.
Yep, agree with this completely.  A nonsensical story if its been translated correctly.
It is the cause of the swelling that is what needs to be considered not the swelling itself.  The Birmingham game, as you correctly state, was nothing to do with Norway and if the knee did swell up as a result of playing then Johansen had the whole break to help him to get the swelling down. 

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Re: Injury update
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2019, 10:04:20 AM »
http://sportwitness.co.uk/surprising-us-national-team-coach-fulhams-decision-play-injured-player-birmingham-win/

The English club’s decision to field the player hasn’t gone down well in Norway, with Lagerbäck’s assistant Per Joar Hansen left surprised. Per Joar Hansen told TV2 “He has a swelling in his knee. Now we have realised that he played today. The reason he reported injured was that he was initially going to use the international break to get rid of that swelling..... It is only the club that can answer why he played, but it was surprising to us that he played today.”

Norway’s physiotherapist Thomas Ødegaard explains Johansen’s omission from the national team was a collective decision taken to allow him recover during the international break"....."It is the best for him during this period when he has struggled with a knee that needs rest. It will benefit Johansen, Fulham and the national team in the future, so this is a decision everyone agrees on."

I'm not sure what they're moaning about (if indeed they are).
Both say that he needed to rest, and I quote the physio "to allow him recover during the international break" or to quote the assistant manager "he was initially going to use the international break to get rid of that swelling".
They do realise that he DID use the break to recover and get rid of the swelling?!?? Very odd, perhaps lost in translation.

They are moaning, because they understand his knee condition (probably runner knee) and want to pressure Fulham into resting Stefjo's knee as early and as long as possible, so that his knee is in peak condition when he plays for the national team in March and June.
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Re: Injury update
« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2019, 10:11:23 AM »
“For me, there is no fuss. Definitely not. Stefan has a knee problem that needs to be treated medically... He has been able to play with pain, so the injury would not worsen, but he needs to get treatment and then rest for a few weeks, so for me it is quite natural."

Maybe I have interpreted this completely differently to everyone else.

But the Norway manager clearly says "the injury would not worsen" with playing, which would mean whether Johansen is resting or playing at this time makes no difference (except, it seems, that playing causes mild pain and swelling).

He says it "needs to be treated... THEN rest for a few weeks."

Seems to me he's saying Johansen needs a minor op (what else could he mean by "treated" - cheese?!) at some stage then a few weeks' rest after the op.

That's not based on any medical knowledge, just what the Norway manager is actually saying. 
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Re: Injury update
« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2019, 12:49:47 PM »
http://sportwitness.co.uk/surprising-us-national-team-coach-fulhams-decision-play-injured-player-birmingham-win/

The English club’s decision to field the player hasn’t gone down well in Norway, with Lagerbäck’s assistant Per Joar Hansen left surprised. Per Joar Hansen told TV2 “He has a swelling in his knee. Now we have realised that he played today. The reason he reported injured was that he was initially going to use the international break to get rid of that swelling..... It is only the club that can answer why he played, but it was surprising to us that he played today.”

Norway’s physiotherapist Thomas Ødegaard explains Johansen’s omission from the national team was a collective decision taken to allow him recover during the international break"....."It is the best for him during this period when he has struggled with a knee that needs rest. It will benefit Johansen, Fulham and the national team in the future, so this is a decision everyone agrees on."

Norway believe that if Stefjo doesn't get a long enough break then it will hurt the the national team in the future which at its earliest 20th March 2020.

The only one surprised as far as we know seem to have been Norway's assistant manager who seem to lack communication with the manager who apparently wasn't surprised according to later reports. Also, the above does not state what you claim. It states that he was given time to recover during the international break, which was exactly what happened. For all we know, that was "a long enough break" to benefit everyone in the future. It doesn't state that Norway believe that a lack of additional breaks will hurt the national team in the future.

This is to me clearly a case of knowing that Johansen has an issue, and breaks wherever possible may benefit everyone. He would in my opinion most likely have played for Norway as well if he was actually needed. But since Norway was already basically out of the running for an automatic spot in the Euro's, and Norway had two easy games anyway, they didn't see the need for him to play two 'meaningless' games.

I don't understand the need to invent anything more from this. There might be something, but as far as I know we have no information to that extent.