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If Onomah

Started by ChesterTheTabby, December 07, 2019, 05:08:43 PM

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Twig

Quote from: snarks on December 07, 2019, 07:26:25 PM
Disagree completely but he is the new scapegoat. He was ok not good, not bad, knockhart missed two he should have scored, Mitro had a slightly off day for him this season. TC wasn't as effective as the last 3 games. Bristol had 3 chances and scored two. We were unlucky and how the ref didn't give a penalty is just appalling.

However this it how it's become on here, lose and the manager or a player (currently Onomah previously Christie) is to blame.

I have never scapegoated a player and have frequently defended players under persistent criticism.  The difference has been that those players had previously put in some performances. Onomah never ever has. And if you thought he was ok then we must have been watching in parallel universes.

..FOF..

Quote from: bigalffc on December 07, 2019, 09:35:05 PM
Onomah has certainly had his chance and not taken it. Surely SP will not start with him again?

Probably not up to Parker.

Fulham have a recent history of management wanting to meddle with who will play to satisfy their AI project.


ChesterTheTabby

Quote from: ..FOF.. on December 07, 2019, 11:23:13 PM
Quote from: bigalffc on December 07, 2019, 09:35:05 PM
Onomah has certainly had his chance and not taken it. Surely SP will not start with him again?

Probably not up to Parker.

Fulham have a recent history of management wanting to meddle with who will play to satisfy their AI project.



Onomah is a Spurs product. Parker player and coach there. There is some odd connection, but surely the "faith" in Onomah just isn't going to cut it.
Someone once asked me, "Why Fulham?".
My response, "Well, lad, you just haven't seen the light yet"


Sting of the North

Quote from: ..FOF.. on December 07, 2019, 11:23:13 PM
Quote from: bigalffc on December 07, 2019, 09:35:05 PM
Onomah has certainly had his chance and not taken it. Surely SP will not start with him again?

Probably not up to Parker.

Fulham have a recent history of management wanting to meddle with who will play to satisfy their AI project.

Nice conspiracy theory!

..FOF..

Quote from: Sting of the North on December 08, 2019, 08:53:27 AM
Quote from: ..FOF.. on December 07, 2019, 11:23:13 PM
Quote from: bigalffc on December 07, 2019, 09:35:05 PM
Onomah has certainly had his chance and not taken it. Surely SP will not start with him again?

Probably not up to Parker.

Fulham have a recent history of management wanting to meddle with who will play to satisfy their AI project.

Nice conspiracy theory!

It is in the news during Joka era with the police investigation on CraigK. CKline even wanted to sit in the dugout, according to Joka.

Sport's Machine Learning business have a bigger earning potential than Fulham.

Not a conspiracy theory, just an analyst.

Sting of the North

Quote from: ..FOF.. on December 08, 2019, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on December 08, 2019, 08:53:27 AM
Quote from: ..FOF.. on December 07, 2019, 11:23:13 PM
Quote from: bigalffc on December 07, 2019, 09:35:05 PM
Onomah has certainly had his chance and not taken it. Surely SP will not start with him again?

Probably not up to Parker.

Fulham have a recent history of management wanting to meddle with who will play to satisfy their AI project.

Nice conspiracy theory!

It is in the news during Joka era with the police investigation on CraigK. CKline even wanted to sit in the dugout, according to Joka.

Sport's Machine Learning business have a bigger earning potential than Fulham.

Not a conspiracy theory, just an analyst.

Cline hasn't been here for ages, and there was a reason he was kicked out. Is there anything even resembling evidence or suggestions (other than by some posters on here) of upper management dictating who SP picks? If not, it is in fact just a conspiracy theory.

Also, reports rather suggests Onomah was an SP pick, not a stats one if I recall correctly (which admittedly is not always the case).


toshes mate

Quote from: Bill2 on December 07, 2019, 05:39:31 PM
Never rated him. He looked like a lost sheep wandering around the porch not sure where he should be. Often wandering close to a Fulham player making it easy for Bristol to mark both of them with a single player. Put him in the U 23s until he understands the game better.
Absolutely agree with this about yesterday's game in particular, but I do not wish to infer that the lad has no future, here or anywhere else for that matter. 

I blame Parker and Wells for the failure of the lad because preparation is more than sticking him on the field and saying 'okay lad show 'em what you can do'.  His first attempted 'tackle' showed his body to be entirely in the wrong position to make one and this is from a professional footballer playing in midfield who looked more like a very young child playing against hostile and insensitive adults.   Occasionally there is something joined up about him but even then it is low risk and obvious to everyone.  There is no sense of guile, purpose or promise.  He reminds me of times before substitution when a player carrying a knock or injury would have nuisance value by remaining on the pitch.

Parker simply has to think things out a little more and embrace his whole squad not just those who should play well but often do not deliver as required.  Parker needs to stop making naive errors of judgement and learn from his mistakes or he is danger of becoming TK Mark II.

Skatzoffc

Quote from: SP on December 07, 2019, 10:25:51 PM
Dickson Etuhu lite.

Dickson Etuhu was a great midfielder for us.

He only had two tasks.
Win the tackles and pass to Murphy. He did that admirably week in, week out.
Don't sully his name with Onomah.

There is no comparison imo.
Siblings, let us not be down on it.
One total catastrophe like this...is just the beginning !

Twig

Quote from: Skatzoffc on December 08, 2019, 12:01:53 PM
Quote from: SP on December 07, 2019, 10:25:51 PM
Dickson Etuhu lite.

Dickson Etuhu was a great midfielder for us.

He only had two tasks.
Win the tackles and pass to Murphy. He did that admirably week in, week out.
Don't sully his name with Onomah.

There is no comparison imo.

:plus one:



deadcowboys

With Arter, Reid & Reed unavailable, probably MacDonald too that would only leave Onomah & Cisse ahead of OReilly. Doubt Cisse would be match fit if he was available.

He could of course of put Christie in the defensive role, has done well there for his country before but he didnt.

If Knock scores in first few minutes of each half, it becomes a different game. The bench was weak with Sess, OReilly & DLT on it too.

Whitesideup

Quote from: snarks on December 07, 2019, 07:26:25 PM
Disagree completely but he is the new scapegoat. He was ok not good, not bad, knockhart missed two he should have scored, Mitro had a slightly off day for him this season. TC wasn't as effective as the last 3 games. Bristol had 3 chances and scored two. We were unlucky and how the ref didn't give a penalty is just appalling.

However this it how it's become on here, lose and the manager or a player (currently Onomah previously Christie) is to blame.
Knockaert missed two? One I remember (start of the second half) .. great goalkeeping, but yes, it really should have been 1-1. The other? Are you referring to the chance in the first half when he was offside? If so, then although he should have put it away, it the offside means it wasn't really a chance to level the game...or put us ahead. If not, when was it?

Black, White and Fred

Onomah yesterday was deployed as a defensive attacking midfielder.
I noticed Park did this with Bobby when he was playing. Mitro and the rest of the front three struggle to press alone so Bobby breaks away and TC and Stef drop back. Onomah isn't as good at this as Bobby is due to less pace and skill. He isn't really good enough to even be deployed in a Dickson Etuhu break up play deep lying and play the 5 yard ball to the creative Mid.
'A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.'

Friedrich Nietzsche

3rd Gen Fulham Fan since 1996


JoelH5

Parker is desperate to give him a career after working with him at Spurs. He's simply not good enough and his development is being put ahead of the team
I was there, standing in the Putney end

Sgt Fulham

Quote from: Skatzoffc on December 08, 2019, 12:01:53 PM
Quote from: SP on December 07, 2019, 10:25:51 PM
Dickson Etuhu lite.

Dickson Etuhu was a great midfielder for us.

He only had two tasks.
Win the tackles and pass to Murphy. He did that admirably week in, week out.
Don't sully his name with Onomah.

There is no comparison imo.

+1

Skatzoffc

Quote from: JoelH5 on December 08, 2019, 05:53:06 PM
Parker is desperate to give him a career after working with him at Spurs. He's simply not good enough and his development is being put ahead of the team

:plus one:

I fear the same
Siblings, let us not be down on it.
One total catastrophe like this...is just the beginning !


SG

Quote from: Sgt Fulham on December 08, 2019, 06:00:49 PM
Quote from: Skatzoffc on December 08, 2019, 12:01:53 PM
Quote from: SP on December 07, 2019, 10:25:51 PM
Dickson Etuhu lite.

Dickson Etuhu was a great midfielder for us.

He only had two tasks.
Win the tackles and pass to Murphy. He did that admirably week in, week out.
Don't sully his name with Onomah.

There is no comparison imo.

+1

Although having seen him a few times now I do think that this is the only role for him. Win the ball and pass to Cairney. He looks a fairly big unit

Baszab

I shouldn't think Onomah is too worried about FFC - he's raking it in and living the high life in Wimbledon village with plenty of friends to mingle with

..FOF..

Quote from: Sting of the North on December 08, 2019, 11:36:06 AM
Quote from: ..FOF.. on December 08, 2019, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on December 08, 2019, 08:53:27 AM
Quote from: ..FOF.. on December 07, 2019, 11:23:13 PM
Quote from: bigalffc on December 07, 2019, 09:35:05 PM
Onomah has certainly had his chance and not taken it. Surely SP will not start with him again?

Probably not up to Parker.

Fulham have a recent history of management wanting to meddle with who will play to satisfy their AI project.

Nice conspiracy theory!

It is in the news during Joka era with the police investigation on CraigK. CKline even wanted to sit in the dugout, according to Joka.

Sport's Machine Learning business have a bigger earning potential than Fulham.

Not a conspiracy theory, just an analyst.

Cline hasn't been here for ages, and there was a reason he was kicked out. Is there anything even resembling evidence or suggestions (other than by some posters on here) of upper management dictating who SP picks? If not, it is in fact just a conspiracy theory.

Also, reports rather suggests Onomah was an SP pick, not a stats one if I recall correctly (which admittedly is not always the case).

Oh yeah, it was his choice... fair enough :)


@jolslover

Quote from: ..FOF.. on December 07, 2019, 11:23:13 PM
Quote from: bigalffc on December 07, 2019, 09:35:05 PM
Onomah has certainly had his chance and not taken it. Surely SP will not start with him again?

Probably not up to Parker.

Fulham have a recent history of management wanting to meddle with who will play to satisfy their AI project.



I presume the opposite and think starting Onomah is just down to Parker
STH H3

davew

Quote from: Southcoastffc on December 07, 2019, 09:00:13 PM
We did not lose because of Josh Onomah, but he was not worth his place today. 
Or any other day he has been selected to date, he needs to be sent out on loan.....anywhere!!!!
Grandson of a Former Director of FFC (served 1954 - 1968)