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Tony Khan very quiet

Started by absenteeism, January 01, 2020, 06:04:35 PM

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absenteeism

The only director of football in the sport who spends zero time at the training ground?

Employ a properly qualified senior man and get Hughton in.

Jesus

Sting of the North

Quote from: absenteeism on January 01, 2020, 06:04:35 PM
The only director of football in the sport who spends zero time at the training ground?

Employ a properly qualified senior man and get Hughton in.

Jesus

Nice, we haven't seen too many Khan out posts lately! Would you care to elaborate on why Khan is to blame for today's loss?

SuffolkWhite

We don't need the Messiah...... we need Brian....anyway! Remember "Always look on the bright side of life"  :Haynes The Maestro:
Guy goes into the doctor's.
"Doc, I've got a cricket ball stuck up my backside
"How's that?"
"Don't you start"


absenteeism

Quote from: Sting of the North on January 01, 2020, 06:34:28 PM
Quote from: absenteeism on January 01, 2020, 06:04:35 PM
The only director of football in the sport who spends zero time at the training ground?

Employ a properly qualified senior man and get Hughton in.

Jesus

Nice, we haven't seen too many Khan out posts lately! Would you care to elaborate on why Khan is to blame for today's loss?

Assembled one of the strongest squads in the league but handed the keys over to an Under 18 coach who has unfortunately proven to be out of his depth.

Frequent social media posts when we win. Absent when we lose.

The only director of football in the sport who does not spend anytime at the training ground

Sting of the North

Quote from: absenteeism on January 01, 2020, 06:36:19 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on January 01, 2020, 06:34:28 PM
Quote from: absenteeism on January 01, 2020, 06:04:35 PM
The only director of football in the sport who spends zero time at the training ground?

Employ a properly qualified senior man and get Hughton in.

Jesus

Nice, we haven't seen too many Khan out posts lately! Would you care to elaborate on why Khan is to blame for today's loss?

Assembled one of the strongest squads in the league but handed the keys over to an Under 18 coach who has unfortunately proven to be out of his depth.

Frequent social media posts when we win. Absent when we lose.

The only director of football in the sport who does not spend anytime at the training ground

Seems like he does fairly well if he managed to assemble one of the strongest squads in the league, since I assume that is his most important task.

Who cares about whether or when the director of football uses social media? That has to be the pettiest criticism so far.

Also, do we know that he doesn't spend any time on the training ground? I am also impressed that you know that all other Director of football in the sport spends time at the training ground. It must have taken a while to confirm, so kudos to you for all that social media digging (or however you found out).

Lastly, Parker was not an under 18 coach when he got the job. He was an assistant coach of the first team, that was in fact the current caretaker of the team following Ranieri's dismissal. Happened towards the end of last season. Maybe this new knowledge makes it more understandable why TK took the decision. Whether or not Parker is out of his depth is of course debatable.

ALG01

I think TK is the main culprit for a series of underperfoming seasons.
He is a well intentioned amateur and we are suffering his inexpereice and inability to learn.
What we do need is a proper experienced proffesional OR anybody that actually knows what they are doing. He works to theories as if he is painting by numbers and expects that to get results. However, you only get long term results if you have a proper plan in place and know how to get from A to B and he just does not. parker is not the right manger, we had the right manager but family Khan let him simply slip through their fingers. Until TK uis replaced we will never really achieve our potential.


Andy S

Yes the blame game again. Everyone is to blame from top to bottom. The sad thing is we will lose a lot of our players at the end of the season. It will need to be a total rebuild

Texas White

Tactics are what's wrong. Either Parker learns or he doesn't

RaySmith

Everyone thinks they know better than our manager who's been in the game since  a youngster, and his  very experienced coaches.

TK induced  Miro and Cairney to stay at Fulham after relegation, and personally  intervened to bring Kamara back into the fold,as well as overseeing our previous promotion to the Prem, and now assembling this squad that many seem to think has top two potential.


fulhamben

Quote from: RaySmith on January 02, 2020, 05:51:27 AM
Everyone thinks they know better than our manager who's been in the game since  a youngster, and his  very experienced coaches.

TK induced  Miro and Cairney to stay at Fulham after relegation, and personally  intervened to bring Kamara back into the fold,as well as overseeing our previous promotion to the Prem, and now assembling this squad that many seem to think has top two potential.
which manager at anyone of the professional 92 clubs hasn't been involved with the game since being a youngster? And you would have have thought that since he has been involved that long that he might know what he is doing, but alas
CHRIS MARTIN IS SO BAD,  WE NOW PRAISE HIM FOR MAKING A RUN.

toshes mate

Quote from: RaySmith on January 02, 2020, 05:51:27 AM
Everyone thinks they know better than our manager who's been in the game since  a youngster, and his  very experienced coaches.

TK induced  Miro and Cairney to stay at Fulham after relegation, and personally  intervened to bring Kamara back into the fold,as well as overseeing our previous promotion to the Prem, and now assembling this squad that many seem to think has top two potential.
These may be rather specious reflections on further discovery of how disingenuous small talk can be.  No one can argue about SP's career but that does not entitle him or any other long standing professional footballer to be making a good coach.  Only a tiny percentage of most coaches careers can ever be regarded as truly successful and it seldom happens to rookies be they DoFs or whatever.  We will never know what life may have been like had things not happened the way they have.  We only have a chance to reflect upon things the way they are.  The reality is that Parker is proving to be pretty average as a young coach but there is a lot of water to go under the bridge for him in the longer term.  He is really struggling st the moment to get the basics right and that is obvious from his decision making before, during and after games. His team appears to be reflecting this lack of clarity.

fulhamben

Quote from: toshes mate on January 02, 2020, 08:57:32 AM
Quote from: RaySmith on January 02, 2020, 05:51:27 AM
Everyone thinks they know better than our manager who's been in the game since  a youngster, and his  very experienced coaches.

TK induced  Miro and Cairney to stay at Fulham after relegation, and personally  intervened to bring Kamara back into the fold,as well as overseeing our previous promotion to the Prem, and now assembling this squad that many seem to think has top two potential.
These may be rather specious reflections on further discovery of how disingenuous small talk can be.  No one can argue about SP's career but that does not entitle him or any other long standing professional footballer to be making a good coach.  Only a tiny percentage of most coaches careers can ever be regarded as truly successful and it seldom happens to rookies be they DoFs or whatever.  We will never know what life may have been like had things not happened the way they have.  We only have a chance to reflect upon things the way they are.  The reality is that Parker is proving to be pretty average as a young coach but there is a lot of water to go under the bridge for him in the longer term.  He is really struggling st the moment to get the basics right and that is obvious from his decision making before, during and after games. His team appears to be reflecting this lack of clarity.
ill argue about Parker's playing career. He was terrible for us and one of the costliest mistakes that we have ever made that is still haunting us to this day.
CHRIS MARTIN IS SO BAD,  WE NOW PRAISE HIM FOR MAKING A RUN.


Dr Quinzel

Don't criticise the Khan's on here. Careful!


Woolly Mammoth

Quote from: fulhamben on January 02, 2020, 09:06:56 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on January 02, 2020, 08:57:32 AM
Quote from: RaySmith on January 02, 2020, 05:51:27 AM
Everyone thinks they know better than our manager who's been in the game since  a youngster, and his  very experienced coaches.

TK induced  Miro and Cairney to stay at Fulham after relegation, and personally  intervened to bring Kamara back into the fold,as well as overseeing our previous promotion to the Prem, and now assembling this squad that many seem to think has top two potential.
These may be rather specious reflections on further discovery of how disingenuous small talk can be.  No one can argue about SP's career but that does not entitle him or any other long standing professional footballer to be making a good coach.  Only a tiny percentage of most coaches careers can ever be regarded as truly successful and it seldom happens to rookies be they DoFs or whatever.  We will never know what life may have been like had things not happened the way they have.  We only have a chance to reflect upon things the way they are.  The reality is that Parker is proving to be pretty average as a young coach but there is a lot of water to go under the bridge for him in the longer term.  He is really struggling st the moment to get the basics right and that is obvious from his decision making before, during and after games. His team appears to be reflecting this lack of clarity.
ill argue about Parker's playing career. He was terrible for us and one of the costliest mistakes that we have ever made that is still haunting us to this day.

The costliest mistake in recent years by a country mile, is replacing Sir Craven of Cottage with Billy The Badger.
Its not the man in the fight, it's the fight in the man.  🐘

Never forget your Roots.

ALG01

Quote from: Andy S on January 02, 2020, 01:49:10 AM
Yes the blame game again. Everyone is to blame from top to bottom. The sad thing is we will lose a lot of our players at the end of the season. It will need to be a total rebuild

I am not sure if you are being serious or ironic so forgive me if I misunderstood,

When things are not right, and they clearly are not, then we have to establish what is wrong and why.
On match day it is the players, over thecourse of a season (or reasonable part thereof), the manager and over a longer period the owners and their management team IMO. It is therefore obvious tthat since the Khan's arrived we have gone backwards, loads of brilliant PR but the team's affairs have been left in the hands of inexperienced amateurs led by the owner's son, and that is the begining, middle and end of our stuttering progress in reverse.  To remind you two relegations and a dreadfully making repetitive replies that aren't funny!  single season return.

In any other business/club the DoF would have been replaced because he is simply not good enough but because he is his father's son people continue to make excuses for him, not good enough.

As far as parker is concerned, he is very disapointing as a manager he needs a kick up the back side because he continues to use failing tactics,  I do not think we should change him, yet, but do not really  believe he is the one to take us forward anymore. However he should be given the rest of the season.

The DoF is the problem, any other aspiring club would have replaced him by now, and without his dad's money no other proffesional club would employ him, they would certainly not allow a full time post to be held by somebody who spends much of his time absent from what should be a full time position.

What I have said is not 'the blame game' it is merely a statement of what is ocurring at our club.


toshes mate

Quote from: ALG01 on January 02, 2020, 10:23:20 AM
It is therefore obvious tthat since the Khan's arrived we have gone backwards, loads of brilliant PR but the team's affairs have been left in the hands of inexperienced amateurs led by the owner's son, and that is the begining, middle and end of our stuttering progress in reverse.  To remind you two relegations and a dreadfully making repetitive replies that aren't funny!  single season return.
The CK 'bug' returns with vengeance ... although your message resonates with a ring of truth about the need to find the source of a problem before venturing forth with a remedy.  Perhaps SJ's miracle cure for ordinariness was too premature for the Khans.

ALG01

Quote from: toshes mate on January 02, 2020, 10:32:43 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on January 02, 2020, 10:23:20 AM
It is therefore obvious tthat since the Khan's arrived we have gone backwards, loads of brilliant PR but the team's affairs have been left in the hands of inexperienced amateurs led by the owner's son, and that is the begining, middle and end of our stuttering progress in reverse.  To remind you two relegations and a dreadfully making repetitive replies that aren't funny!  single season return.
The CK 'bug' returns with vengeance ... although your message resonates with a ring of truth about the need to find the source of a problem before venturing forth with a remedy.  Perhaps SJ's miracle cure for ordinariness was too premature for the Khans.

Thank you for spotting the auto censorship algorithm.

SJ was a top man that played a proper system getting the maximum from the squad despite tony and kline repeatedly sabotaging him with ridiculous decision making. In 2018 he was lucky tgat we were injury free but continued to play a style that got the maximum from a very thin squad. When we went up the inexperience of TK cut the rug from under him in a ruthlessly efficient league.

With this squad, it is my opinion we would be well clear of the pack by now if SJ was manager because he is a top man. Parker is showing inexperience and unwillingness to be pragmatic, it is bound to end in tears but not having a proffesional giving all his time to a full time post is the underlying issue. Until TK is replaced we will struggle to achieve what we did with MAF who knew how to do things rather than focus on his PR.

Dr Quinzel

Blame is considered by many to be a dirty word. People don't like what they see to be negativity.

What if we looked at it differently - what can be improved at this club and what could be done better and by whom?


toshes mate

Quote from: ALG01 on January 02, 2020, 10:45:27 AM
With this squad, it is my opinion we would be well clear of the pack by now.  Parker is showing inexperience and unwillingness to be pragmatic, it is bound to end in tears but not having a professional giving all his time to a full time post is the underlying issue. Until TK is replaced we will struggle to achieve what we did with MAF who knew how to do things rather than focus on his PR.
TK doesn't require his DoF post to remain an important person on the board since he is co-owner and Vice Chair, but much of the effectiveness of the post he would relinqish lies in the ability of the person appointed for the role.  That point has been made by others on here looking at the history of the Khan era, and it isn't easy to find people who are genuinely successful at leveraging an extra something from the coaching and recruitment regimes.  What we do know is that we must become a more attractive proposition to all players from youngsters to seniors and I do feel that, under Parker, we have slipped back several notches.  But is that down to the head coach or a general malaise that has afflicted the Club for reasons unknown since ownership changed?  Promotion under SJ could be said to have been fortuitous since the play offs are a noted lottery and had SJ won that last match at Birmingham would have been unnecessary anyway.   

I certainly believe that supporters sound much more convincing in their appreciation of a team when that team is playing well even if not winning games.  This season I have not felt comfortable once about this team (even after the Millwall game) because that certain something has been as missing now as it was under Ranieri.  We have simply slipped back to being the same old FFC under the Khans, just with fancier sounding names than we encountered for most of the time under Jokanovic.   We really need to start breeding 'stars' out of ordinariness that other teams want to buy as we did with Jokanovic.  We need inspiration somewhere behind the scenes and it isn't coming from existing personnel.   Jokanovic upset things in a good way whereas Parker has taken us back to the mire, IMO.

I would also suggest that mid-season change seldom helps to eliminate deep seated issues and so perhaps a much more profound look at the whole set up and existing personnel may be required. 

KJS

So bloody what 🙄🙄🙄🙄