The Official Silly Season Summer Transfer Thread 2021/22

[LC]

I actually wouldn't mind Phil Jones if he's fit.

He would tick the boxes we're after- he can play centre back, right back and as a defensive midfielder. He has a lot of experience as well.

No wonder this topic is called the Silly Season Summer Transfer Thread with your comment. Barking mad anyone who wants this crock.

A lot of people said that when I wanted to bring in Lingard last January..

I would absolutely take Jones, presuming United were to cover a large chunk/all his wages.

Also, chill out, it's a football forum, the idea is to share opinions. 

[AnOldBrownie]

I actually wouldn't mind Phil Jones if he's fit.

He would tick the boxes we're after- he can play centre back, right back and as a defensive midfielder. He has a lot of experience as well.

No wonder this topic is called the Silly Season Summer Transfer Thread with your comment. Barking mad anyone who wants this crock.

A lot of people said that when I wanted to bring in Lingard last January..

I would absolutely take Jones, presuming United were to cover a large chunk/all his wages.

Also, chill out, it's a football forum, the idea is to share opinions.

You're entitled to your opinion.   Personally, I'm curious why you'd want us to bring in Phil when we already have Mawson and Hector, who can both be good CBs in the Championship.   And we already have an injury prone CB in Mawson...and apparently one in Kongolo.   Why in the world would you take a chance on a 3rd, who has no future with the club?

[The Rational Fan]

I actually wouldn't mind Phil Jones if he's fit.

He would tick the boxes we're after- he can play centre back, right back and as a defensive midfielder. He has a lot of experience as well.

No wonder this topic is called the Silly Season Summer Transfer Thread with your comment. Barking mad anyone who wants this crock.

A lot of people said that when I wanted to bring in Lingard last January..

I would absolutely take Jones, presuming United were to cover a large chunk/all his wages.

Also, chill out, it's a football forum, the idea is to share opinions.

You're entitled to your opinion.   Personally, I'm curious why you'd want us to bring in Phil when we already have Mawson and Hector, who can both be good CBs in the Championship.   And we already have an injury-prone CB in Mawson...and apparently one in Kongolo.   Why in the world would you take a chance on a 3rd, who has no future with the club?

If we were thinking of selling three players out of Hector, MLM, Ream, Odoi, Christie, and Anguissa; then it makes sense to bring in someone (like Phil Jones) that can cover center-back, right-back, and defensive midfield. The Reality is that none of the players out of Hector, MLM, Ream, Odoi, and Christie will ever play Premier League again; so one utility defender maybe enough to replace a couple of them and the sale will raise some money.

[AnOldBrownie]

I actually wouldn't mind Phil Jones if he's fit.

He would tick the boxes we're after- he can play centre back, right back and as a defensive midfielder. He has a lot of experience as well.

No wonder this topic is called the Silly Season Summer Transfer Thread with your comment. Barking mad anyone who wants this crock.

A lot of people said that when I wanted to bring in Lingard last January..

I would absolutely take Jones, presuming United were to cover a large chunk/all his wages.

Also, chill out, it's a football forum, the idea is to share opinions.

You're entitled to your opinion.   Personally, I'm curious why you'd want us to bring in Phil when we already have Mawson and Hector, who can both be good CBs in the Championship.   And we already have an injury-prone CB in Mawson...and apparently one in Kongolo.   Why in the world would you take a chance on a 3rd, who has no future with the club?

If we were thinking of selling three players out of Hector, MLM, Ream, Odoi, Christie, and Anguissa; then it makes sense to bring in someone (like Phil Jones) that can cover center-back, right-back, and defensive midfield. The Reality is that none of the players out of Hector, MLM, Ream, Odoi, and Christie will ever play Premier League again; so one utility defender maybe enough to replace a couple of them and the sale will raise some money.

And when you make that investment...and said player is out for two months due to injury.

Again...why PHIL JONES?   I'm not saying someone like Phil Jones whose way more physically reliable, wouldn't be a good idea.   Phil Jones is a poor choice.   And are you planning to start him over Tosin and Ream?   ManUtd won't loan him to be a sub.

[The Rational Fan]

I actually wouldn't mind Phil Jones if he's fit.

He would tick the boxes we're after- he can play centre back, right back and as a defensive midfielder. He has a lot of experience as well.

No wonder this topic is called the Silly Season Summer Transfer Thread with your comment. Barking mad anyone who wants this crock.

A lot of people said that when I wanted to bring in Lingard last January..

I would absolutely take Jones, presuming United were to cover a large chunk/all his wages.

Also, chill out, it's a football forum, the idea is to share opinions.

You're entitled to your opinion.   Personally, I'm curious why you'd want us to bring in Phil when we already have Mawson and Hector, who can both be good CBs in the Championship.   And we already have an injury-prone CB in Mawson...and apparently one in Kongolo.   Why in the world would you take a chance on a 3rd, who has no future with the club?

If we were thinking of selling three players out of Hector, MLM, Ream, Odoi, Christie, and Anguissa; then it makes sense to bring in someone (like Phil Jones) that can cover center-back, right-back, and defensive midfield. The Reality is that none of the players out of Hector, MLM, Ream, Odoi, and Christie will ever play Premier League again; so one utility defender maybe enough to replace a couple of them and the sale will raise some money.

And when you make that investment...and said player is out for two months due to injury. Again...why PHIL JONES?   I'm not saying someone like Phil Jones whose way more physically reliable, wouldn't be a good idea.   Phil Jones is a poor choice.   And are you planning to start him over Tosin and Ream?  ManUtd won't loan him to be a sub.

I wouldn't hesitate to play a "fully fit Phil Jones" ahead of "Tim Ream", although I doubt Phil Jones can stay fit.

[ken 44]

 completely agree  no to another sick note player.

[The Rational Fan]

completely agree  no to another sick note player.

We have to sell players until we reach FFP, we could do worse than sell Hector, MLM, Christie, and Anguissa then bring in Phil Jones on loan practically for free. Warning in order to reach FFP Deadline Day could be a BLOOD BATH.

[S.F.Sorrow]

completely agree  no to another sick note player.

We have to sell players until we reach FFP, we could do worse than sell Hector, MLM, Christie, and Anguissa then bring in Phil Jones on loan practically for free. Warning in order to reach FFP Deadline Day could be a BLOOD BATH.

I fear you may be right about FFP + deadline day = blood bath. Our squad looks insanely expensive (and high wages) for the Championship but without knowing the details of our finances it's pure guesswork of course.

I still wouldn't want Phil Jones though. Far too risky. We've not had much luck with injury prone CBs.

Anguissa and MLM will probably be sold. Let's hope we can keep the rest of the squad intact. At least the ones that are worth keeping.

[junior white]

Not a fan of Phil Jones it has to be said, but didnt Chambers have a history of injuries before he came to us? Maybe he had been over them for a season or so but hadn't played for the arsenal in that time. I know JOnes hasnt played for Man Ut for 19 months or so but has he been injured all that time?

Aside from that I remember a lot of negative comments about Chambers when we were linked and then we he signed, but didnt he end up player of the season?

Anyway back to Jones, he probably wouldnt do a Chambers with us, and he isnt a player I would look at perosnally, ut if we sold 3-5 players across the bank line and holding midfield, would he be that bad as cover? As long as there is no strange clause saying we had to play him that is

[RaySmith]

Not a fan of Phil Jones it has to be said, but didnt Chambers have a history of injuries before he came to us? Maybe he had been over them for a season or so but hadn't played for the arsenal in that time. I know JOnes hasnt played for Man Ut for 19 months or so but has he been injured all that time?

Aside from that I remember a lot of negative comments about Chambers when we were linked and then we he signed, but didnt he end up player of the season?

Anyway back to Jones, he probably wouldnt do a Chambers with us, and he isnt a player I would look at perosnally, ut if we sold 3-5 players across the bank line and holding midfield, would he be that bad as cover? As long as there is no strange clause saying we had to play him that is

As long a he stays fit, also. We certainly don't want another cb  queuing up in the treatment room.

Not sure that clauses  about having to play loan players exist - hard to imagine any manager would agree to this, but maybe I'm wrong, but seems crazy. I know people said that about  RLC.
I suppose if you loan a player from a top club, you feel he should play, and there is probably pressure to play him or fans would say why get him in, in the first place?

Obviously Chambers did really well for us, when he moved into midfield.

[Matt10]

Phil Jones holds nothing back. Does anyone truly remember watching him? He will give it his all for whatever assignment is given to him. I think at this point as well we need to trust Silva and who he wants to sign. A hard-nosed, no-nonsense defender would lead by example and there'd be no doubt in your mind of what you're getting when Phil Jones steps onto the pitch. The only ones who are worried about him getting injured are supporters and the other player brave enough to face him and not being stuck in.

[Woolly Mammoth]

Maybe they are eyeing him up for a defensive midfield role knowing that there may be an outgoing or two of key players.

[The Rational Fan]

completely agree  no to another sick note player.

We have to sell players until we reach FFP, we could do worse than sell Hector, MLM, Christie, and Anguissa then bring in Phil Jones on loan practically for free. Warning in order to reach FFP Deadline Day could be a BLOOD BATH.

I fear you may be right about FFP + deadline day = blood bath. Our squad looks insanely expensive (and high wages) for the Championship but without knowing the details of our finances it's pure guesswork of course.

I still wouldn't want Phil Jones though. Far too risky. We've not had much luck with injury prone CBs.

Anguissa and MLM will probably be sold. Let's hope we can keep the rest of the squad intact. At least the ones that are worth keeping.

We are only allowed FFP losses of £61m over the last three seasons (19/20, 20/21 & 21/22).

We lost £74m before players sales in 2019/20, balanced that with player sales of £30m (Sess & Elliott), we probably lost around £10m last season, and look likely to lose £61m before players' sales in 2021/22, so youth exceptions (maybe £21m), coivd exceptions (maybe £10m) and profit players sales need to make up the difference. This means TK has to make sales profit of around £23m (balancing -74+30-10+21+10) above book value.

If Anguissa is sold for £30m, then things will be fine (Kamara £3m profit + Anguissa £20m profit); but if he can only get £15m for Anguissa say because he demands a pay-rise to move, then the "Blood Bath Fire Sale" might begin (Kamara £3m profit + Anguissa £5m profit + Rodak £4m + Robinson £6m + Cairney £5m etc). Making promotion much tougher.

[junior white]

Not a fan of Phil Jones it has to be said, but didnt Chambers have a history of injuries before he came to us? Maybe he had been over them for a season or so but hadn't played for the arsenal in that time. I know JOnes hasnt played for Man Ut for 19 months or so but has he been injured all that time?

Aside from that I remember a lot of negative comments about Chambers when we were linked and then we he signed, but didnt he end up player of the season?

Anyway back to Jones, he probably wouldnt do a Chambers with us, and he isnt a player I would look at perosnally, ut if we sold 3-5 players across the bank line and holding midfield, would he be that bad as cover? As long as there is no strange clause saying we had to play him that is

As long a he stays fit, also. We certainly don't want another cb  queuing up in the treatment room.

Not sure that clauses  about having to play loan players exist - hard to imagine any manager would agree to this, but maybe I'm wrong, but seems crazy. I know people said that about  RLC.
I suppose if you loan a player from a top club, you feel he should play, and there is probably pressure to play him or fans would say why get him in, in the first place?

Obviously Chambers did really well for us, when he moved into midfield.

Agree with the stay fit part.

I didnt htink they did too re the clauses, but some on this board are adamant the RLC had one and had to play a set amount of games.

[grandad]

Laugh of the day. Roma want to sign RLC for 13.5 Mil. This has replaced the laugh of the day about signing Jones.

[Caedal]

Just a note on the FFP stuff that people keep going on about. Wasnt there an option during covid where owners could put money into the clubs to help with FFP? I'm sure I read somewhere that Khan put in 150m. Add that to the 140m prize money we got from the PL and the parachute payments this year (I believe they went up to 60m this year for the first year).

I really cant see us being that close to FFP, especially with not spending anything on transfer fees last season

[Cookie6262]

While I'm personally not sure about signing Phil Jones ( if the rumours are even true) I don't really understand the people saying not another sick note, surely the club would look at his fitness situation before making the deal and even if he did turn out to be a sick note we could
Just terminate the loan.
For what's it worth I don't  think we need a centre back but a fully fit Phil Jones would be the best defender in the championship.

[junior white]

While I'm personally not sure about signing Phil Jones ( if the rumours are even true) I don't really understand the people saying not another sick note, surely the club would look at his fitness situation before making the deal and even if he did turn out to be a sick note we could
Just terminate the loan.
For what's it worth I don't  think we need a centre back but a fully fit Phil Jones would be the best defender in the championship.

I believe the riles now only allow for the loaning club to terminate a loan during an open transfer window and only with the agreement of the parent club who loaned the player out. That is unless there is a clause that allows the returning to happen.

I think the parent club can, if it s a serious injury, insist th payer returns to them for treatment, but I am fairly sure that doesnt end the loan period unless again both clubs agree to do so, then I presume it is from the next open transfer window.

[filham]

Hear Harry Kanes only staying at spurs so he can moved to Fulham next year.

I don't think so, Spurs would prefer to sell him for more than we would pay and use the transfer money to buy Carvalho.

[unionist_ffc]

From MN on tfi...reliable guy

"My soruce tells me Fulham are circulating the following list of players they are willing to let go.

Fabrio
Hector
Kongolo
Christie
Cairney
Zambo Anguissa
Knockhaert

Any offers?"