The Official Silly Season Summer Transfer Thread 2021/22

[WestSussexWhite]

WSW Is Carvalho coming to us or Is the deal dead.

It's not definitely on, but it's also not definitely off. The player isn't against the move, the reason he rejected the first bid was due to the clauses and bonuses that would come into affect if we got promoted. As it will be an obligation this has to be sorted now rather than at the end of the season. The club and Carvalho are not a million miles apart so it could very much still happen if Fulham want him enough, but it will depend if Fulham want to compromise or whether they want to go to other cheaper targets. I do wonder whether the new Grimes bid might be Fulham exploring a different option, however, they are very different types of player. Will be an interesting 48 hours

[Blawarmy]

WSW Is Carvalho coming to us or Is the deal dead.

It's not definitely on, but it's also not definitely off. The player isn't against the move, the reason he rejected the first bid was due to the clauses and bonuses that would come into affect if we got promoted. As it will be an obligation this has to be sorted now rather than at the end of the season. The club and Carvalho are not a million miles apart so it could very much still happen if Fulham want him enough, but it will depend if Fulham want to compromise or whether they want to go to other cheaper targets. I do wonder whether the new Grimes bid might be Fulham exploring a different option, however, they are very different types of player. Will be an interesting 48 hours

Carvalho is definitely a Frank replacement isn't he, so looks like Frank wants to leave. 

[WestSussexWhite]

WSW Is Carvalho coming to us or Is the deal dead.

It's not definitely on, but it's also not definitely off. The player isn't against the move, the reason he rejected the first bid was due to the clauses and bonuses that would come into affect if we got promoted. As it will be an obligation this has to be sorted now rather than at the end of the season. The club and Carvalho are not a million miles apart so it could very much still happen if Fulham want him enough, but it will depend if Fulham want to compromise or whether they want to go to other cheaper targets. I do wonder whether the new Grimes bid might be Fulham exploring a different option, however, they are very different types of player. Will be an interesting 48 hours

Carvalho is definitely a Frank replacement isn't he, so looks like Frank wants to leave.

Yes definitely a Frank replacement; but I would be surprised if we signed both Grimes and Carvalho. I'll try and get another update tomorrow. The Grimes bid this evening suggests the Carvalho deal isn't happening, however, it might just be us testing the water and making sure we have more than 1 option in case either deal doesn't happen.

[Blawarmy]

WSW Is Carvalho coming to us or Is the deal dead.

It's not definitely on, but it's also not definitely off. The player isn't against the move, the reason he rejected the first bid was due to the clauses and bonuses that would come into affect if we got promoted. As it will be an obligation this has to be sorted now rather than at the end of the season. The club and Carvalho are not a million miles apart so it could very much still happen if Fulham want him enough, but it will depend if Fulham want to compromise or whether they want to go to other cheaper targets. I do wonder whether the new Grimes bid might be Fulham exploring a different option, however, they are very different types of player. Will be an interesting 48 hours

Carvalho is definitely a Frank replacement isn't he, so looks like Frank wants to leave.

Yes definitely a Frank replacement; but I would be surprised if we signed both Grimes and Carvalho. I'll try and get another update tomorrow. The Grimes bid this evening suggests the Carvalho deal isn't happening, however, it might just be us testing the water and making sure we have more than 1 option in case either deal doesn't happen.

Is Grimes that good? I haven't seen much of him tbh. 

[WestSussexWhite]

WSW Is Carvalho coming to us or Is the deal dead.

It's not definitely on, but it's also not definitely off. The player isn't against the move, the reason he rejected the first bid was due to the clauses and bonuses that would come into affect if we got promoted. As it will be an obligation this has to be sorted now rather than at the end of the season. The club and Carvalho are not a million miles apart so it could very much still happen if Fulham want him enough, but it will depend if Fulham want to compromise or whether they want to go to other cheaper targets. I do wonder whether the new Grimes bid might be Fulham exploring a different option, however, they are very different types of player. Will be an interesting 48 hours

Carvalho is definitely a Frank replacement isn't he, so looks like Frank wants to leave.

Yes definitely a Frank replacement; but I would be surprised if we signed both Grimes and Carvalho. I'll try and get another update tomorrow. The Grimes bid this evening suggests the Carvalho deal isn't happening, however, it might just be us testing the water and making sure we have more than 1 option in case either deal doesn't happen.

Is Grimes that good? I haven't seen much of him tbh.

I haven't seen massive amounts, but he's more of a seri type deep lying passer. And he's certainly no Anguissa, but then again Onomah and Reed will likely play in the Anguissa position

[The Cravenette]

For me ideal end to the window

In

Ola Aina

Out

Fabri
Cyrus Christie
Anthony Knockeart

Fabio Carvalho signing a new deal

Agree with this 100%.

[AnOldBrownie]

WSW Is Carvalho coming to us or Is the deal dead.

It's not definitely on, but it's also not definitely off. The player isn't against the move, the reason he rejected the first bid was due to the clauses and bonuses that would come into affect if we got promoted. As it will be an obligation this has to be sorted now rather than at the end of the season. The club and Carvalho are not a million miles apart so it could very much still happen if Fulham want him enough, but it will depend if Fulham want to compromise or whether they want to go to other cheaper targets. I do wonder whether the new Grimes bid might be Fulham exploring a different option, however, they are very different types of player. Will be an interesting 48 hours

Carvalho is definitely a Frank replacement isn't he, so looks like Frank wants to leave.

Yes definitely a Frank replacement; but I would be surprised if we signed both Grimes and Carvalho. I'll try and get another update tomorrow. The Grimes bid this evening suggests the Carvalho deal isn't happening, however, it might just be us testing the water and making sure we have more than 1 option in case either deal doesn't happen.

Is Grimes that good? I haven't seen much of him tbh.

I haven't seen massive amounts, but he's more of a seri type deep lying passer. And he's certainly no Anguissa, but then again Onomah and Reed will likely play in the Anguissa position

With the 10 million offer for Zambo not going through...what are the chances no one will pay what Tony Khan wants for the player? 

The more I've thought about it this weekend the more angry I've gotten that he (Anguissa) wouldn't want to stay at Fulham and help us go back up to the Prem THEN move on to a different club.    It's actually frustrating.

We've had the opportunity to play against 5 holding mids of varying quality over the past 5 games.   Those are the types of holding mids I see Matt Grimes being.   OK to above average holding mids in the Championship.   

We're all hoping we're only going to be in the Championship for another season.

Then, there's William, who I thought was slow 4 years ago...but whose a "smart" footballer.   Is he going to be our holding mid next season?  No?  Then why are we looking to sign a 29 year old who had very little playing minutes last season? 

I know...I do trust Marco Silva when it comes to William...because we still have Reed and Seri that can fill the same role...

but damn... I can't help but feel that we aren't getting the same value by moving Anguissa on.   

[WestSussexWhite]

The key thing with this Anguissa move is that if we get a replacement lined up, then I think we will loan him out with an option. If we don't get a replacement sorted then I think we hold onto him. Frank clearly wants to move, so I think he will go but we probably won't get the market value for him in this window.

[junior white]

WSW Is Carvalho coming to us or Is the deal dead.

It's not definitely on, but it's also not definitely off. The player isn't against the move, the reason he rejected the first bid was due to the clauses and bonuses that would come into affect if we got promoted. As it will be an obligation this has to be sorted now rather than at the end of the season. The club and Carvalho are not a million miles apart so it could very much still happen if Fulham want him enough, but it will depend if Fulham want to compromise or whether they want to go to other cheaper targets. I do wonder whether the new Grimes bid might be Fulham exploring a different option, however, they are very different types of player. Will be an interesting 48 hours

Carvalho is definitely a Frank replacement isn't he, so looks like Frank wants to leave.

Yes definitely a Frank replacement; but I would be surprised if we signed both Grimes and Carvalho. I'll try and get another update tomorrow. The Grimes bid this evening suggests the Carvalho deal isn't happening, however, it might just be us testing the water and making sure we have more than 1 option in case either deal doesn't happen.

Is Grimes that good? I haven't seen much of him tbh.

I haven't seen massive amounts, but he's more of a seri type deep lying passer. And he's certainly no Anguissa, but then again Onomah and Reed will likely play in the Anguissa position

Reed, in my opinion, isn't suited to the Anguissa role, and he is better for us sitting back like has heaps done. If Frank leaves (Napoli on loan?) and we do not replace like for like then I think we leave ourselves short. As for Grimes a decent championship player but not better than anything we have right now in my opinion, also have doubts over could he be decent in the prem.

Overall doesnt mater what I think it matters what MS/TK think but I owuld hope they have a back up plan if Carvalho doesnt come

[Sting of the North]

I believe Reed is better suited to the Anguissa/Johansen type of more box to box role. Surprises me that people see him mostly as a solely defensive midfielder, as I think he lacks the positional discipline. He leaves a big hole wide open in front of the defense far too often for my liking. His strengths are his endless running, tackling and covering all over the pitch, but that comes more in handy if someone else takes responsibility to cover that all important area in front of the center backs. Seri looks to have the required discipline, as had Lemina last year. But maybe Reed can be coached into being a bit smarter without losing his positive impact in other areas. After all we do seem to have quite a good coach now.

All in my opinion of course.

[paulbrookersmazydribbles]

Anguissa seemingly off to Italy

https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/08/fulham-accept-napolis-anguissa-loan-offer/

[junior white]

I believe Reed is better suited to the Anguissa/Johansen type of more box to box role. Surprises me that people see him mostly as a solely defensive midfielder, as I think he lacks the positional discipline. He leaves a big hole wide open in front of the defense far too often for my liking. His strengths are his endless running, tackling and covering all over the pitch, but that comes more in handy if someone else takes responsibility to cover that all important area in front of the center backs. Seri looks to have the required discipline, as had Lemina last year. But maybe Reed can be coached into being a bit smarter without losing his positive impact in other areas. After all we do seem to have quite a good coach now.

All in my opinion of course.

Thats a good point, the problem for me there is Seri is also the type of player you describe Reed as, or he has been in the past. If he can just sit and orchestrate then great but we do see him up and around the box.

Will be interesting to see what we do.

I am sure MS will know who he wants and hopefully they tick all the boxes so he can get them

[Caedal]

I'm surprised that we've allowed a loan. FFP can't be a factor then as it doesn't help us immediately (bar his wages).

[junior white]

I'm surprised that we've allowed a loan. FFP can't be a factor then as it doesn't help us immediately (bar his wages).

Loan fee we got would help, i did expect a sale not a loan though, but it seems most Italian clubs have very little spare money these days

[Caedal]

I mean the loan fee is probably gonna be less than we got for Kamara. Just seems an odd choice

[junior white]

I mean the loan fee is probably gonna be less than we got for Kamara. Just seems an odd choice

As i said it does for me, i heard the loan fee would be around 2.5 million (just the usual twitter rumours no inside info) so yes less than Kamara, hopefully they are paying his salary with no contribution form us as that will help as well

[unionist_ffc]

Find the Anguissa transfer very disappointing from us.

Napoli have the option, not the obligation, to buy. We aren't getting too much upfront on loan fee if comments are to be believed.

Seems like we are back in for Grimes.

Sources for this is a mixture of newsnow and reddit soccer.

[WestSussexWhite]

I'm surprised that we've allowed a loan. FFP can't be a factor then as it doesn't help us immediately (bar his wages).

We will get a loan fee, the option to buy is around 15 million euros. So in total if he joins then permanently we will receive 18 million euros ish. I believe Napoli will pay 80% of his wages. (Around 63k a week) meaning we will still have to pay 7k a week. However, these massive wages off our wage bill should allow us to bring in every position we still need filling before the deadline

[Craven Mad]

Find the Anguissa transfer very disappointing from us.

Napoli have the option, not the obligation, to buy. We aren't getting too much upfront on loan fee if comments are to be believed.

Seems like we are back in for Grimes.

Sources for this is a mixture of newsnow and reddit soccer.

I'm certainly on the pro-Anguissa side of the fence, and think he's a top class player, but even I question why we'd hang onto a player who doesn't want to play for us, whilst he sits on high wages and devalues.

I'd love him to be a starter for us, but he clearly wants out and I think we'd be better re-investing in someone who wants to play for us.

[JoelH5]

Find the Anguissa transfer very disappointing from us.

Napoli have the option, not the obligation, to buy. We aren't getting too much upfront on loan fee if comments are to be believed.

Seems like we are back in for Grimes.

Sources for this is a mixture of newsnow and reddit soccer.

I'm certainly on the pro-Anguissa side of the fence, and think he's a top class player, but even I question why we'd hang onto a player who doesn't want to play for us, whilst he sits on high wages and devalues.

I'd love him to be a starter for us, but he clearly wants out and I think we'd be better re-investing in someone who wants to play for us.

Just do the old...oh sorry the paperwork didn't get done in time. He isn't going to refuse to play. He's under contract at Fulham. He's a Fulham player..