W88 shirt sponsor?

[Mokes]

I spent a year living in Dublin on a working holiday Visa, and the only job I could find was at a Casino over there. I watched too many people piss away their lives and inheritances and in multiple cases end up homeless because of it. I've done some terrible jobs over the years but that will always be the worst. I hate that our club has stooped to the low of promoting a gambling company again.

[Whitestone]

Grown ups make choices all the time. Some good some bad. I have no issue with W88, if it turns out they are the clubs newest sponsor.

[fulhamfever]

We have a duty of care in being a professional football club, by not putting betting ads on kids shirts but to put it on adults shirts is just a load of tosh. Kids are curious they will ask why does your shirt have a sponsor and not mine. If you are advertising betting sponsorships you have to own the other side that comes with it the addiction.

I am sorry I just think its hypocritical to put it on adults shirts and not kids shirts. Kids will always curiously enquire about it and they see it on the telly regardless so who are you trying to fool.

Just my two cents. I will not be buying the new seasons shirt I have happily purchased the £10 away shirt from last season at least it will let me know 'we are the champions' until the new ones are crowned in 2023.

[Wolf]

Perfectly happy for my kids to have gambling or alcohol sponsors on their shirts. They're tall for their age and been in adult sizing since they were 11. I didn't like that the best shirt in recent memory had "Visit Florida" across it, but I didn't cry. In life you won't agree with everything.

[Sting of the North]

If we announced a billion pound sponsorship deal with an oil company I guarantee you now that within 5 minutes somebody on this forum would be moaning about links to the Saudis or Putin, some people will always find a reason to moan when it comes to shirt sponsorship,  and yet bizarrely they are the same group that moan that we are not spending money on centre backs !
Maybe there is a link between money in and money out 🤔

Are you really sure they are the same group, or is this just made up to try to strengthen your point? And people should rightly be moaning about links to murderous dictators.

[junior white]

We have a duty of care in being a professional football club, by not putting betting ads on kids shirts but to put it on adults shirts is just a load of tosh. Kids are curious they will ask why does your shirt have a sponsor and not mine. If you are advertising betting sponsorships you have to own the other side that comes with it the addiction.

I am sorry I just think its hypocritical to put it on adults shirts and not kids shirts. Kids will always curiously enquire about it and they see it on the telly regardless so who are you trying to fool.

Just my two cents. I will not be buying the new seasons shirt I have happily purchased the £10 away shirt from last season at least it will let me know 'we are the champions' until the new ones are crowned in 2023.

I agree although i think it isnt on kids shorts due to advertising / government rulings it by the club itself.

The fact is a sponsor sponsors to get his name promoted so they will want it on the shirts or pay less for the sponsorship or not sponsor us. It will always come back to the money that for me isnt hypocritical it is financial but i do get your view point fully.

[Lighthouse]

We can't legislate for every addiction. Society only gets involved when they are scared that the costs needed to treat these addictions outweighs the returns. If you are addicted to supporting Fulham and buying a season ticket. Nobody cares.

Shirt sponsorships for alcohol or betting I doubt makes much difference. Does it legitimise the addiction? I doubt it.

Addicted to sweets and chocolate. Well they make packaging smaller and costs higher. But in the end until society says treatment outweighs the money being bet we will allow stupid adverts that says things like know your limit. After all we are addicted to adverts.

[filham]

I thought it was being outlawed Gambling Companies Shirt Sponsoring premier league clubs.

At the present time Clubs have very voluntarily agreed not to enter into a new deal with gambl8ng companies from next season I believe

Yes  thought this was to be banned a couple of season's ago.
Guess no one could match the big money offered by the betting boys so the clubs gave way.

[junior white]

I thought it was being outlawed Gambling Companies Shirt Sponsoring premier league clubs.

At the present time Clubs have very voluntarily agreed not to enter into a new deal with gambling companies from next season I believe

Yes  thought this was to be banned a couple of season's ago.
Guess no one could match the big money offered by the betting boys so the clubs gave way.

From next season PL teams have agreed not to enter into new deals with them but reckon a few will happen this season for 2 years or so.

It is a tough one as some clubs really do need the money from them, small lotto companies like WatchLotto a couple of years back sponsored Southend United but they would be banned but that only for southend really was a godsend.

[PaulJ123]

It's sadly part of the game, for betting companies think how much money they get through footballing bets so it makes business sense for them to spend millions getting their name out there. If say, Guinness sponsored us next season, I don't imagine people are going to be watching Ream get spun inside out by Salah and go and order a pint.

Like others have said, I don't think it's right but if that's where the money is, that's where the money is. Sadly, with what we've seen with ticket pricing etc, it does feel like we're very out of touch at the moment which is a real shame.

[ALG01]

In 2022 I think it time that we distanced ourselves from this life changing curse of gambling.

gambling is just, if not more,  addictive as any drug and I ma sure there could have been a million and one other sponsors for our shirts.

I do not see gambling in any different light to drinking, playing the lotto (and all its variations) and snack foods, and I am sure we all take part in (without being addicited) consuming or using one of those. If you play the lotto it is a little hypocritical to say ban gambling advertising, the lotto is gambling and advertises in very clever ways. If you drink then that as we all know can be addictive so we shouldn't have that on the shirts, snack foods look at the outcry about the crickets Hundred competition yet i reaction most people eat crisps, popcorn or peanuts.

Smoking is already banned so not including that.

If you go for banks say people will find something about them maybe Saudi backing in the banks, chemical companies such as ICI or Ineos people will complain about who the operate, Oil & Gas companies what are they doing to the world, where would you go for sponsorship. A lot of clubs rely on sponsorship to make ends meet, in our case it is I would guess a valuable source of income, what will we get say 6 or 6.5 million for the season. That barely covers the salary if a player but at least it helps, take that away and you end up either not competing or maybe not surviving. I get the issues but just saying how far do we go before we are happy with those sponsors on offer and the economics within without being hypocritical ourselves

False equivalence is somethimng we should all avoid. We should also  surely not suggest that other posters might be hypocrits.

If you cannot see for yourself that in 2022 that gambling being a widely acknowledged bad thing, dealing essentially in misery for many and removing people's money from them in a loaded environment where the bank just has to win, and should therefore not be promoted on the front of our shirts then I am sure no amount of logical argument will make you understand.

To somehow try and compare this with potentially other bad things is not the issue here. This is not a  bank (reputable banks may be avaialble) or drinks company that we are going to have on our shirt, it is a gambling company. My comments are addressed solely toward gambling because that is what has been agreed and I do have to say if I was the owner I would absolutely not be involved with gambling on the shirt.

[junior white]

In 2022 I think it time that we distanced ourselves from this life changing curse of gambling.

gambling is just, if not more,  addictive as any drug and I ma sure there could have been a million and one other sponsors for our shirts.

I do not see gambling in any different light to drinking, playing the lotto (and all its variations) and snack foods, and I am sure we all take part in (without being addicited) consuming or using one of those. If you play the lotto it is a little hypocritical to say ban gambling advertising, the lotto is gambling and advertises in very clever ways. If you drink then that as we all know can be addictive so we shouldn't have that on the shirts, snack foods look at the outcry about the crickets Hundred competition yet i reaction most people eat crisps, popcorn or peanuts.

Smoking is already banned so not including that.

If you go for banks say people will find something about them maybe Saudi backing in the banks, chemical companies such as ICI or Ineos people will complain about who the operate, Oil & Gas companies what are they doing to the world, where would you go for sponsorship. A lot of clubs rely on sponsorship to make ends meet, in our case it is I would guess a valuable source of income, what will we get say 6 or 6.5 million for the season. That barely covers the salary if a player but at least it helps, take that away and you end up either not competing or maybe not surviving. I get the issues but just saying how far do we go before we are happy with those sponsors on offer and the economics within without being hypocritical ourselves

False equivalence is somethimng we should all avoid. We should also  surely not suggest that other posters might be hypocrits.

If you cannot see for yourself that in 2022 that gambling being a widely acknowledged bad thing, dealing essentially in misery for many and removing people's money from them in a loaded environment where the bank just has to win, and should therefore not be promoted on the front of our shirts then I am sure no amount of logical argument will make you understand.

To somehow try and compare this with potentially other bad things is not the issue here. This is not a  bank (reputable banks may be avaialble) or drinks company that we are going to have on our shirt, it is a gambling company. My comments are addressed solely toward gambling because that is what has been agreed and I do have to say if I was the owner I would absolutely not be involved with gambling on the shirt.

One i never said I agreed with gambling on shirts, two I never called you a hypocrite. What i actually typed was If you play the lotto it is a little hypocritical to say ban gambling advertising, the lotto is gambling and advertises in very clever ways.

As for dealing in misery i point back to smoking, booze, snack foods (obesity, bulimia) are all addictive and can lead to misery, that is what my point was, sorry if you missed it.

Your right it isnt a bank or drinks company but my point was people will always find something about a company they do not like, all companies going on the front of shorts are up for comparison. But the point is if it isnt a gambling company but say a booze e company people would say the same about alcoholism, i was making it a broader spectrum, sorry if that confuses, no offence was meant as i was talking in general broad terms.

[ALG01]

In 2022 I think it time that we distanced ourselves from this life changing curse of gambling.

gambling is just, if not more,  addictive as any drug and I ma sure there could have been a million and one other sponsors for our shirts.

I do not see gambling in any different light to drinking, playing the lotto (and all its variations) and snack foods, and I am sure we all take part in (without being addicited) consuming or using one of those. If you play the lotto it is a little hypocritical to say ban gambling advertising, the lotto is gambling and advertises in very clever ways. If you drink then that as we all know can be addictive so we shouldn't have that on the shirts, snack foods look at the outcry about the crickets Hundred competition yet i reaction most people eat crisps, popcorn or peanuts.

Smoking is already banned so not including that.

If you go for banks say people will find something about them maybe Saudi backing in the banks, chemical companies such as ICI or Ineos people will complain about who the operate, Oil & Gas companies what are they doing to the world, where would you go for sponsorship. A lot of clubs rely on sponsorship to make ends meet, in our case it is I would guess a valuable source of income, what will we get say 6 or 6.5 million for the season. That barely covers the salary if a player but at least it helps, take that away and you end up either not competing or maybe not surviving. I get the issues but just saying how far do we go before we are happy with those sponsors on offer and the economics within without being hypocritical ourselves

False equivalence is somethimng we should all avoid. We should also  surely not suggest that other posters might be hypocrits.

If you cannot see for yourself that in 2022 that gambling being a widely acknowledged bad thing, dealing essentially in misery for many and removing people's money from them in a loaded environment where the bank just has to win, and should therefore not be promoted on the front of our shirts then I am sure no amount of logical argument will make you understand.

To somehow try and compare this with potentially other bad things is not the issue here. This is not a  bank (reputable banks may be avaialble) or drinks company that we are going to have on our shirt, it is a gambling company. My comments are addressed solely toward gambling because that is what has been agreed and I do have to say if I was the owner I would absolutely not be involved with gambling on the shirt.

One i never said I agreed with gambling on shirts, two never Calle dyou a hypocrite i said those who are against gambling and do the lotto is a little hypocritical.

As for dealing in misery i point back to smoking, booze, snack foods (obesity, bulimia) are all addictive and can lead to misery, that is what my point was, sorry if you missed it.

Your right it isnt a bank or drinks company but my point was people will always find something about a company they do not like, all companies going on the front of shorts are up for comparison. But the point is if it isnt a gambling company but say a booze e company people would say the same about alcoholism, i was making it a broader spectrum, sorry if that confuses, no offence was meant as i was talking in general broad terms.

you replied to my post directly and made equivalnce statements so it sure read to me like that was what you were saying.
I am grateful that you do not think I am a hypocrit for being against gambling.

As for the broader point, each ill, or potential ill, has its own merits or otherwise.

[Huxley]

Wonder how much the club makes from shirts sales vs sponsorship... I will not buy a shirt even if 50% off on a flash sale if the it has a sponsor  I do not agree with. These days more and more people associate themselves with brands they like. Betting, pay day loans, tobacco, petro chemicals are segments i disagree with but funnily love poker, cash, booze and cars.... club needs to contact a butler service provider... now that would be rather funny.

[junior white]

In 2022 I think it time that we distanced ourselves from this life changing curse of gambling.

gambling is just, if not more,  addictive as any drug and I ma sure there could have been a million and one other sponsors for our shirts.

I do not see gambling in any different light to drinking, playing the lotto (and all its variations) and snack foods, and I am sure we all take part in (without being addicited) consuming or using one of those. If you play the lotto it is a little hypocritical to say ban gambling advertising, the lotto is gambling and advertises in very clever ways. If you drink then that as we all know can be addictive so we shouldn't have that on the shirts, snack foods look at the outcry about the crickets Hundred competition yet i reaction most people eat crisps, popcorn or peanuts.

Smoking is already banned so not including that.

If you go for banks say people will find something about them maybe Saudi backing in the banks, chemical companies such as ICI or Ineos people will complain about who the operate, Oil & Gas companies what are they doing to the world, where would you go for sponsorship. A lot of clubs rely on sponsorship to make ends meet, in our case it is I would guess a valuable source of income, what will we get say 6 or 6.5 million for the season. That barely covers the salary if a player but at least it helps, take that away and you end up either not competing or maybe not surviving. I get the issues but just saying how far do we go before we are happy with those sponsors on offer and the economics within without being hypocritical ourselves

False equivalence is somethimng we should all avoid. We should also  surely not suggest that other posters might be hypocrits.

If you cannot see for yourself that in 2022 that gambling being a widely acknowledged bad thing, dealing essentially in misery for many and removing people's money from them in a loaded environment where the bank just has to win, and should therefore not be promoted on the front of our shirts then I am sure no amount of logical argument will make you understand.

To somehow try and compare this with potentially other bad things is not the issue here. This is not a  bank (reputable banks may be avaialble) or drinks company that we are going to have on our shirt, it is a gambling company. My comments are addressed solely toward gambling because that is what has been agreed and I do have to say if I was the owner I would absolutely not be involved with gambling on the shirt.

One i never said I agreed with gambling on shirts, two never Calle dyou a hypocrite i said those who are against gambling and do the lotto is a little hypocritical.

As for dealing in misery i point back to smoking, booze, snack foods (obesity, bulimia) are all addictive and can lead to misery, that is what my point was, sorry if you missed it.

Your right it isnt a bank or drinks company but my point was people will always find something about a company they do not like, all companies going on the front of shorts are up for comparison. But the point is if it isnt a gambling company but say a booze e company people would say the same about alcoholism, i was making it a broader spectrum, sorry if that confuses, no offence was meant as i was talking in general broad terms.

you replied to my post directly and made equivalnce statements so it sure read to me like that was what you were saying.
I am grateful that you do not think I am a hypocrit for being against gambling.

As for the broader point, each ill, or potential ill, has its own merits or otherwise.

I was replying to a post on a thread not an individual so glad that's settled

And each ill as you say has its own potential ill which is exactly what I was trying to hilight.

[Kemosabe]

Wonder how much the club makes from shirts sales vs sponsorship... I will not buy a shirt even if 50% off on a flash sale if the it has a sponsor  I do not agree with. These days more and more people associate themselves with brands they like. Betting, pay day loans, tobacco, petro chemicals are segments i disagree with but funnily love poker, cash, booze and cars.... club needs to contact a butler service provider... now that would be rather funny.

IIRC the FST had this as a question in a Supporters' Survey last year.  Can't remember the exact figure but I recall that a significant number of respondents said that they would not buy a shirt with a gambling-linked sponsor on it.  So clearly the sponsorship fee must be pretty large if it's enough to outweigh the lost shirt sales.....

[H4usuallysitting]

Wonder if we'll get a floodlight falure

[Moltobueno]

Being a kid and rooting for Ferrari in F1 with the Marlboro signs everywhere never harmed me or tempted me to try cigarettes, just saying

[Pluto]

This is a bad look, especially after the Solomon fiasco and the ticket price hike

[Balham Boy]

Probably look like the Wolves 18/19 away kit