FA Statement

[love4ffc]

I have been busy all day and just now wadding through all the threads.  So if this is something be discussed elsewhere sorry for dropping my thoughts here. 

At this point nothing would surprise me.  Not even a Mitro being banned for the remainder of the season would surprise me.  I would be upset but not surprised. 

I really want to be an optimist right now, but I have resolved myself that there is a very real possibility that Fulham will finish 10 or 11th place.  That Mitro will be out for a long time and Fulham will struggle with a lot of the remaining fixtures. 

It is now time for Fulham to pull themselves up and show their pride in who they are.  Continue to fight for every point and finish the season with dignity. 

Do that I will be a happy lad.  Then move on to the summer and hopefully continue to improve and strengthen the team.  UP THE FULHAM! 

[Bill2]

While there can be no denying the actions of Carlos and Mitro went above and beyond, it smacks of inconsistency. I wait to see what happens to Utd as there players crowded around the ref prior to it all kicking off. How many times do we see the ref surrounded by players which involves jostling and.pushing but nothing happens. We will have the book thrown at us and not sure if we will see either again this season as they will make an example of us.

[demeant0r]

We will just have to make do with Carlos as our sole striker for the foreseeable future. He will really need to up his ball holding skills.

[Twig]

I happen to know someone who was working in the VAR studio that day.  The person says that, whilst supportive of our red cards, most of the non-officiating staff were furious at the inconsistencies involved.  Apparently the Fernandes comparison was actually spoken about by them at the time.

[Bill2]

Just read the report on the BBC and looking at the comments from ex refs and someone called Paul Field from a referee organisation it would appear that nothing short of public flogging and drawn and quartered will do. They are making it up as they go along, surely any punishment must be along prescribed laid down guidelines same as happens in court. People are comparing it to De Canio's push which knocked the ref clean off his feet or the Cantana incident where he drop kicked a fan after being sent off. Everyone losing their heads it appears, but it doesn't help when people like Chris Sutton is whipping up the fever along with this person Field.

[Buffalo76]

How often do we see players getting into the ref's face? Most weeks. As for yesterday, Mitro hardly broke the Mancunian's arm for crying out a loud. A 3 game ban will suffice thank you  092.gif

[Luka]

Would like to know what the ref said to Mitro to make him spin him round in the first place.
It sent Mitro into the red mist immediately.

[love4ffc]

For those who think there still is consistency with the refs.  From @Dazzer0306 twitter account. 

Palhinha #FFC at Forest yellow card for celebration.  Isak at Forest no yellow card for celebration

[SerbianLad]

For those who think there still is consistency with the refs.  From @Dazzer0306 twitter account. 

Palhinha #FFC at Forest yellow card for celebration.  Isak at Forest no yellow card for celebration

This is what I mentioned in one of my posts today. Add the Fernandes incident. Or the incident I posted where multiple Man U players were touching the referee.

It would be fine if Mitro got a lenghty ban if that was the rule that was consistently applied. Instead, we all know similar things like that will continue to happen and nothing similar to what's happened with Mitro now will happen.

[Ludlow Richard]

Interesting. I am an ex-Human Resources professional.

I get why the FA wants to make a statement about the charges that will be made against the manager, Mitrovic and the club, in advance of any hearings. As far as I am concerned, that is perfectly reasonable in the circumstances.

However, what is unacceptable are the words used in relation to Mitrovic, specifically that "the standard punishment....is clearly insufficient". While this may sound strange given that we all saw the events of yesterday, there has not yet been a hearing to consider all aspects of the case against Mitrovic, including decisions made or not made by the referee and the VAR officials; and no-one at the FA has had a chance to hear what, if anything, Mitrovic or his representatives have to say by way of mitigation.

Put another way, while it's OK to refer in a statement to what we all know is the standard punishment (a 3 game ban), for the FA to announce before the hearing has even taken place that the "standard punishment....is clearly insufficient" is in my mind prejuducial to the proper conduct of the hearing. Whoever sits on the disciplinary panel is basically being told by the FA "whatever the evidence, whatever the mitigation offered, your decision will go beyond a 3 game ban".

I've sat in disciplinary hearings where before the hearing starts the evidence seems cut and dried and the outcome is obviously dismissal. But once you get to hear mitigating factors, the opinion of the disciplinary panel can change to (for example) a final warning, ie a step short of dismissal.

So the FA have gone beyond what I would see as due process by confirming a more severe punishment than the standard penalty without hearing any evidence in mitigation, or indeed without the hearing having taken place at all. The right way for the FA to proceed would have been to simply issue a statement saying that charges have been made against the club, the manager and the player, no more than that.

Clearly the FA have already decided that an example needs to be made of Mitrovic and they don't want a piffling bit of proper disciplinary process to get in the way of that.

[graham]

I think Mitro and Silva did cross a line and will get punished, deservedly so. They both lost their tempers and control.
But the reason it all kicked off was because of culpability by the referee for which he should bear some responsibility, but he won't be sanctioned at all. He didn't lose control, he just blatantly favoured Manure, in my opinion. The glaring foul and therefore pen, which I'm sure what caused the reaction by Mitro, was the blatant shove in his back by Shaw when he was going up for a header, which went unpunished. The ref had a clear view and I couldn't believe it went unpunished. VAR didn't even look at it, even Lee Dixon doimg the commentary was really surprised nothing was done about it. This incident will be forgotten in the clamour for punishment.
Well that's our season over.

[gang]

 I have a problem with the referee coming from the Manchester area, leaves a big question mark on his ability to be refereeing without favouritism.

[Andy S]

Let's wait and see. I'm not certain that any bad language was used by Mitro and it has to be proven to be admissible evidence. I am sure that Mitro should have had a penalty earlier in the game, that the referee ignored. The referee was not certain that Willians handball was he correct decision as he didn't give it until he watched it on VAR. VAR needs to be dropped until we are clear on how it is used. It is not helping. An answer would be to use four lines men.Two each side and genuinely help the referee. The game has gotten much faster and referees make mistakes every week. Football is a passionate game where the players care about whether they win or lose. The fans pay enough and want fairness.

[blingo]

Without VAR in the game, none of this would have happened and we would be on our way to Wembley.

[Sgt Fulham]

Hypocrites. I hope we sing Mitro and Silva songs loud and proud all game when we're back. I also hope the club takes some form of legal action against the clear inconsistencies and double standards that are so clearly on display.

[Rj Fulham]

Interesting. I am an ex-Human Resources professional.

I get why the FA wants to make a statement about the charges that will be made against the manager, Mitrovic and the club, in advance of any hearings. As far as I am concerned, that is perfectly reasonable in the circumstances.

However, what is unacceptable are the words used in relation to Mitrovic, specifically that "the standard punishment....is clearly insufficient". While this may sound strange given that we all saw the events of yesterday, there has not yet been a hearing to consider all aspects of the case against Mitrovic, including decisions made or not made by the referee and the VAR officials; and no-one at the FA has had a chance to hear what, if anything, Mitrovic or his representatives have to say by way of mitigation.

Put another way, while it's OK to refer in a statement to what we all know is the standard punishment (a 3 game ban), for the FA to announce before the hearing has even taken place that the "standard punishment....is clearly insufficient" is in my mind prejuducial to the proper conduct of the hearing. Whoever sits on the disciplinary panel is basically being told by the FA "whatever the evidence, whatever the mitigation offered, your decision will go beyond a 3 game ban".

I've sat in disciplinary hearings where before the hearing starts the evidence seems cut and dried and the outcome is obviously dismissal. But once you get to hear mitigating factors, the opinion of the disciplinary panel can change to (for example) a final warning, ie a step short of dismissal.

So the FA have gone beyond what I would see as due process by confirming a more severe punishment than the standard penalty without hearing any evidence in mitigation, or indeed without the hearing having taken place at all. The right way for the FA to proceed would have been to simply issue a statement saying that charges have been made against the club, the manager and the player, no more than that.

Clearly the FA have already decided that an example needs to be made of Mitrovic and they don't want a piffling bit of proper disciplinary process to get in the way of that.

So in other words, Mitrovic will get the equivalent of a show trial.  As bad as the case is, Mitro should still be able to have his voice heard . Even the thinnest piece of paper has two sides!

[Woolly Mammoth]

Interesting. I am an ex-Human Resources professional.

I get why the FA wants to make a statement about the charges that will be made against the manager, Mitrovic and the club, in advance of any hearings. As far as I am concerned, that is perfectly reasonable in the circumstances.

However, what is unacceptable are the words used in relation to Mitrovic, specifically that "the standard punishment....is clearly insufficient". While this may sound strange given that we all saw the events of yesterday, there has not yet been a hearing to consider all aspects of the case against Mitrovic, including decisions made or not made by the referee and the VAR officials; and no-one at the FA has had a chance to hear what, if anything, Mitrovic or his representatives have to say by way of mitigation.

Put another way, while it's OK to refer in a statement to what we all know is the standard punishment (a 3 game ban), for the FA to announce before the hearing has even taken place that the "standard punishment....is clearly insufficient" is in my mind prejuducial to the proper conduct of the hearing. Whoever sits on the disciplinary panel is basically being told by the FA "whatever the evidence, whatever the mitigation offered, your decision will go beyond a 3 game ban".

I've sat in disciplinary hearings where before the hearing starts the evidence seems cut and dried and the outcome is obviously dismissal. But once you get to hear mitigating factors, the opinion of the disciplinary panel can change to (for example) a final warning, ie a step short of dismissal.

So the FA have gone beyond what I would see as due process by confirming a more severe punishment than the standard penalty without hearing any evidence in mitigation, or indeed without the hearing having taken place at all. The right way for the FA to proceed would have been to simply issue a statement saying that charges have been made against the club, the manager and the player, no more than that.

Clearly the FA have already decided that an example needs to be made of Mitrovic and they don't want a piffling bit of proper disciplinary process to get in the way of that.

Then the FA have prejudiced themselves and whereupon comments made by the media and studio pundits are all inadmissible at a hearing as they have already acted as judge, jury and executioner.

[Woolly Mammoth]

Interesting. I am an ex-Human Resources professional.

I get why the FA wants to make a statement about the charges that will be made against the manager, Mitrovic and the club, in advance of any hearings. As far as I am concerned, that is perfectly reasonable in the circumstances.

However, what is unacceptable are the words used in relation to Mitrovic, specifically that "the standard punishment....is clearly insufficient". While this may sound strange given that we all saw the events of yesterday, there has not yet been a hearing to consider all aspects of the case against Mitrovic, including decisions made or not made by the referee and the VAR officials; and no-one at the FA has had a chance to hear what, if anything, Mitrovic or his representatives have to say by way of mitigation.

Put another way, while it's OK to refer in a statement to what we all know is the standard punishment (a 3 game ban), for the FA to announce before the hearing has even taken place that the "standard punishment....is clearly insufficient" is in my mind prejuducial to the proper conduct of the hearing. Whoever sits on the disciplinary panel is basically being told by the FA "whatever the evidence, whatever the mitigation offered, your decision will go beyond a 3 game ban".

I've sat in disciplinary hearings where before the hearing starts the evidence seems cut and dried and the outcome is obviously dismissal. But once you get to hear mitigating factors, the opinion of the disciplinary panel can change to (for example) a final warning, ie a step short of dismissal.

So the FA have gone beyond what I would see as due process by confirming a more severe punishment than the standard penalty without hearing any evidence in mitigation, or indeed without the hearing having taken place at all. The right way for the FA to proceed would have been to simply issue a statement saying that charges have been made against the club, the manager and the player, no more than that.

Clearly the FA have already decided that an example needs to be made of Mitrovic and they don't want a piffling bit of proper disciplinary process to get in the way of that.

So in other words, Mitrovic will get the equivalent of a show trial.  As bad as the case is, Mitro should still be able to have his voice heard . Even the thinnest piece of paper has two sides!

The FA once again due to their corrupt and biased agenda to orchestrate and favour their darling star clubs have hung a rat under our noses and we have smelt it.

They want a United v City Cup Final to show case around the 4 corners of the globe to attract the customers.
Sheffield United and Brighton and Hove Albion are already 1 0 down before a ball is kicked.

[junior white]

I am worried now I have to be honest, i thought it would be 5/6 games but no i think it could be ludicrously 10 or more. I think 6 is about right but I am worried more after the FA statement. If Silva gets 5 or 6 the what will they give Mitro.

I do hope the club ask for all the angles of all the incidents form the game, with those charges against Mitro and Silva all the angles so we can use specialists to see what was and wasn't said so we can use that as a defuse or not then. Find incidents during the match where united players swore and touched the ref and ask why nothing was done, find evidence from other games where any teams player has touched / sworn at an official and nothing has been done. Look at the non refers VAR incidents nd ask why these haven't been looked at and find similar incidents where they have been (especially with the ref from Sunday)m ask why a local ref was assigned to the game, especially one that was made to apologise to us earlier on the season.

We should release a statement saying we are aware of the charges and to a degree accept them but we will be defending ourselves in the strongest way and asking the following questions at the same time, the list the questions we will be asking.

What we d was wrong we all know that but this smacks of throwing the book at a smaller team whilst letting the bigger teams off as they do not want to spoil the league title run in or get a backlash from a better supported clubs fans

[alfie]

Absurd. If a man nudging another is considered violent then the referees association and FA have been a sensitive and woke touch and need to examine themselves before they fall apart internally and bring the game down.

Absurd that Bruno Fernandes gets nothing. Definitely feels like we're being made an example of.

Absurd also that the refs word is considered absolute in this instance. How on earth are they planning on proving what Marco or mitro said.

It's about time a ref link gets brought into football so these conversations can be heard.

It was Mitrovic's actions after receiving the red card that is the big issue, I think some of us must put away our bias thoughts and look at his actions, they were both aggressive and confrontational, and then look what it took to get him off the pitch. As for what Marco said, well none of us know, so can't really say one way or the other.