What is the obsession with blaming everything on the Khans?

[andrew G]

I  think the OP is good. I think the points are all valid because people like me do tend to blame the owner when things are wrong.

Here is my overal take and hopefully is why I complain so often.

When Mr Khan took over we were a stable club with a reasonable squad that need a bit of freshening up.

What became clear almost immediately that the management style was miles away from what was likely to be successful and when things started going wrong they did all the wrong things making it worse.

Clearly they have no problem with supplying funds, so it is definitely management style that is at issue.

By way of the most obvious example to have three managers in one season once is an error of judgement in the first season, to repeat that error speaks volumes about the way they think. Another was slav. He got us up playing sublime football but on a shoestring and very thin squad.. Mitro was down to him not them. And he was sabotaged, he had no chance... that was them.

Slav, parker, kiyt marco ranieri all complained about transfer expectation and policy, what we see now is less than proffesional.

When MAF took over he hired top class proffesionals, set a budget and let them get on with it. When we were if difficulties he showed up and led from the front, he iunspired the team and the support. These guys are conspicuous by their abscence, we never see them and they let TK a part time amateur be involved...that is truely eyebrow raising. The premiership need fulltim, on site proffesionals, not part time amateurs.

We have marco, potentially the best manager we have ever seen at Fulham, and they have not pinned him down and whilst I do know it is easier said than done, it should have been sorted weeks ago, it is a litany of poor management, if marco goes we will struggle, the man is a genius as slav was.

When we had MAF, I always trusted we would be safe, with the Khan's I feel sure disaster is just round the corner.

[jayffc]

I  think the OP is good. I think the points are all valid because people like me do tend to blame the owner when things are wrong.

Here is my overal take and hopefully is why I complain so often.

When Mr Khan took over we were a stable club with a reasonable squad that need a bit of freshening up.

What became clear almost immediately that the management style was miles away from what was likely to be successful and when things started going wrong they did all the wrong things making it worse.

Clearly they have no problem with supplying funds, so it is definitely management style that is at issue.

By way of the most obvious example to have three managers in one season once is an error of judgement in the first season, to repeat that error speaks volumes about the way they think. Another was slav. He got us up playing sublime football but on a shoestring and very thin squad.. Mitro was down to him not them. And he was sabotaged, he had no chance... that was them.

Slav, parker, kiyt marco ranieri all complained about transfer expectation and policy, what we see now is less than proffesional.

When MAF took over he hired top class proffesionals, set a budget and let them get on with it. When we were if difficulties he showed up and led from the front, he iunspired the team and the support. These guys are conspicuous by their abscence, we never see them and they let TK a part time amateur be involved...that is truely eyebrow raising. The premiership need fulltim, on site proffesionals, not part time amateurs.

We have marco, potentially the best manager we have ever seen at Fulham, and they have not pinned him down and whilst I do know it is easier said than done, it should have been sorted weeks ago, it is a litany of poor management, if marco goes we will struggle, the man is a genius as slav was.

When we had MAF, I always trusted we would be safe, with the Khan's I feel sure disaster is just round the corner.

Fair points here and there but Again sadly you lost me at we were a stable club

Read this interview with someone who actually worked at the club at the time...I remember comments like this also came from Brede but wouldn't remember what to search for that

https://www.fulhamweb.co.uk/news/danny-murphy-saw-signs-of-rot-two-years-ago.aspx

Saying the khans took over a stable club is point blank a mistelling of history as is backed up by former club legends who actually played for the club.

We were a declining club that took our owners a while to steady with positive and negative decisions along the way, as with all clubs and humans.

Where many clubs have been relegated and never returned were still here and if it weren't for this Saudi drama would likely have been on course to build on last season. But here we are

As for marco it's not easy to tie down a manager when he's having boat loads of cash waved in his face from the saudis and his plans pulled from under him with the striker he built a system around dropping tools for the same reason.

It's not like they wouldn't have offered Silva improved terms and have said publcially their plan this summer is retain key players and improve the team further

[Sammyffc]

I  think the OP is good. I think the points are all valid because people like me do tend to blame the owner when things are wrong.

Here is my overal take and hopefully is why I complain so often.

When Mr Khan took over we were a stable club with a reasonable squad that need a bit of freshening up.

What became clear almost immediately that the management style was miles away from what was likely to be successful and when things started going wrong they did all the wrong things making it worse.

Clearly they have no problem with supplying funds, so it is definitely management style that is at issue.

By way of the most obvious example to have three managers in one season once is an error of judgement in the first season, to repeat that error speaks volumes about the way they think. Another was slav. He got us up playing sublime football but on a shoestring and very thin squad.. Mitro was down to him not them. And he was sabotaged, he had no chance... that was them.

Slav, parker, kiyt marco ranieri all complained about transfer expectation and policy, what we see now is less than proffesional.

When MAF took over he hired top class proffesionals, set a budget and let them get on with it. When we were if difficulties he showed up and led from the front, he iunspired the team and the support. These guys are conspicuous by their abscence, we never see them and they let TK a part time amateur be involved...that is truely eyebrow raising. The premiership need fulltim, on site proffesionals, not part time amateurs.

We have marco, potentially the best manager we have ever seen at Fulham, and they have not pinned him down and whilst I do know it is easier said than done, it should have been sorted weeks ago, it is a litany of poor management, if marco goes we will struggle, the man is a genius as slav was.

When we had MAF, I always trusted we would be safe, with the Khan's I feel sure disaster is just round the corner.

Fair points!

However this myth that we were stable under al fayed won't go away, so many ex players have come out and said the last 2/3 seasons were a nightmare. Let alone it was much easier to be stable before FFP came in etc.

Also, in regards to the managers who complained. where are any of them now? I would assume top of their trade? Nope.

[Logicalman]

Well - apart from financial stability, a new training ground, a new stand, a record breaking season and some very decent player's.... you're right, what have the Khan's done for us

Yeah, and don't start on about those Romans!

We're the people's front of Fulham

So, If we're the peoples front, who has their backs? Time for the return of Wolfie Smith, methinks! 

[Cambridge Pete]

Fully agree with the title of this thread. I've been a supporter for over 65 years through thick and thin. You want bad owners go back to Bullstrode and his Marler Estates and Sir Eric etc.. The Khan's purchased an ageing Fulham side and were new to the game. They made mistakes. They have improved and hopefully will continue to do so. Does TK spread himself to thin? Possibly but that is why there are specialist staff who should be advising him. What is going on this summer is unique. Offers of Kings Ransoms being thrown about by the Saudi PIF. I then see posts blaming this on the Khan's. Whilst they are billionaires they cannot possibly hope to compete with the Saudi trillions. I read some turning on Mitro and Marco. Firstly it is, at the moment, no more than speculation. If it is true and they want to go how many of us fan's, in truth, would turn down such offers if we were approached?
The current pricing has meant that last season I was only able to attend two home games and one away, and that only because I have friends who are season ticket holders. I don't like the increases but accept that if we want our club to succeed then we need revenue to pay the players the money the market currently dictates. So cut the Khan's some slack, they have invested heavily in our club and like all owners will get some things wrong. No one is perfect.

[Whitestone]

Love how supporters always feel the club should invest more, yet balk at being asked to spend more themselves.

I think you'll find that the the supporters that actually support the team live spend fortunes. A day out at the Cottage or an away day costs a significant amount of money when you take in to account travel, refreshments and match tickets.

[Sammyffc]

Love how supporters always feel the club should invest more, yet balk at being asked to spend more themselves.

I think you'll find that the the supporters that actually support the team live spend fortunes. A day out at the Cottage or an away day costs a significant amount of money when you take in to account travel, refreshments and match tickets.

Travel doesn't go to the club so thats moot, many fans still sneak in drinks, wear merch that is years out of date, hardly buy programmes.

Tickets i can agree with but that's just not enough.

[MickTheBeard]

Quite easily shall I list the reasons. Most important one is your mate put us in ffplay problems for being lazy buying and selling as I mentioned haven't made a profit on bought players since button or aluko that alone is scandalous the size of our club.Stand starting its 5th year,Bought land for a state of the art training facility in mothballs,father bailing out club every ear not run properly from top to bottom,how does Brentford keep their managers,well the answers above tell you why,I honestly believe tonkey is jealous of silva due to including youth academy players and building a foundation for the future if you can't see that as they come here occasionally they don't have anyone running the club,this can't go on i for one put money in the club under bill muddyman to keep us going I would love the khans to sell up,anymore reasons for their failure will be glade to list them I can't believe your love in.

[Holders]

Maybe it's just because there can never be another Saint Mo?

The Khans are wealthy and have invested heavily in FFC: Motspur, the new stand etc.

There are many many worse owners out there and we should be grateful they're not like that.

More power to Tony's elbow at having a go at Saudi - but then they come back with an improved offer for MS!

[andrew G]

I  think the OP is good. I think the points are all valid because people like me do tend to blame the owner when things are wrong.

Here is my overal take and hopefully is why I complain so often.

When Mr Khan took over we were a stable club with a reasonable squad that need a bit of freshening up.

What became clear almost immediately that the management style was miles away from what was likely to be successful and when things started going wrong they did all the wrong things making it worse.

Clearly they have no problem with supplying funds, so it is definitely management style that is at issue.

By way of the most obvious example to have three managers in one season once is an error of judgement in the first season, to repeat that error speaks volumes about the way they think. Another was slav. He got us up playing sublime football but on a shoestring and very thin squad.. Mitro was down to him not them. And he was sabotaged, he had no chance... that was them.

Slav, parker, kiyt marco ranieri all complained about transfer expectation and policy, what we see now is less than proffesional.

When MAF took over he hired top class proffesionals, set a budget and let them get on with it. When we were if difficulties he showed up and led from the front, he iunspired the team and the support. These guys are conspicuous by their abscence, we never see them and they let TK a part time amateur be involved...that is truely eyebrow raising. The premiership need fulltim, on site proffesionals, not part time amateurs.

We have marco, potentially the best manager we have ever seen at Fulham, and they have not pinned him down and whilst I do know it is easier said than done, it should have been sorted weeks ago, it is a litany of poor management, if marco goes we will struggle, the man is a genius as slav was.

When we had MAF, I always trusted we would be safe, with the Khan's I feel sure disaster is just round the corner.

Fair points here and there but Again sadly you lost me at we were a stable club

Read this interview with someone who actually worked at the club at the time...I remember comments like this also came from Brede but wouldn't remember what to search for that

https://www.fulhamweb.co.uk/news/danny-murphy-saw-signs-of-rot-two-years-ago.aspx

Saying the khans took over a stable club is point blank a mistelling of history as is backed up by former club legends who actually played for the club.

We were a declining club that took our owners a while to steady with positive and negative decisions along the way, as with all clubs and humans.

Where many clubs have been relegated and never returned were still here and if it weren't for this Saudi drama would likely have been on course to build on last season. But here we are

As for marco it's not easy to tie down a manager when he's having boat loads of cash waved in his face from the saudis and his plans pulled from under him with the striker he built a system around dropping tools for the same reason.

It's not like they wouldn't have offered Silva improved terms and have said publcially their plan this summer is retain key players and improve the team further

I am afraid we will have to agree to differ. It is true as MAF was clearly coming to the end of his term things were not entirely as they had been when Roy was in charge but we still had the nucleus of a well established squad. What the Khan's brought was a level of amateur chaos that was breathtaking.

As far as marco is concerned they needed to pin him down at the end of last season OR let him go it is as simple as that/. I love marco and the brand of football we play but if he messes us about, and he is doing so, then you have to let him leave but because o0f poor management dfrom above this should have happened weeks ago. The saudi money is sort of irelevant because he hadn't signed before they came calling.

[Ludlow Richard]

My take on it is that it is very easy to blame the Khans for everything that is wrong or goes wrong, and it is equally easy to give credit to anyone but the Khans when things go right. The relentless smug carping and bile that is spouted towards them on TIFF was one of the reasons I left that forum and moved to FoF.

In addition we don't know what is going on behind the scenes. We don't truly know how hands-on the Khans are. For all we know there might be video calls several times a day, ensuring they are involved in the day to day affairs of the club. And apparently, according to one TIFF poster, Silva is "boiling with rage". Is he? Have we seen an interview? Is he quoted in the press, boiling? Raging?

They are not perfect owners by any means. But even if they were, people would still find reasons to criticise and to "boil with rage".

[jayffc]

I  think the OP is good. I think the points are all valid because people like me do tend to blame the owner when things are wrong.

Here is my overal take and hopefully is why I complain so often.

When Mr Khan took over we were a stable club with a reasonable squad that need a bit of freshening up.

What became clear almost immediately that the management style was miles away from what was likely to be successful and when things started going wrong they did all the wrong things making it worse.

Clearly they have no problem with supplying funds, so it is definitely management style that is at issue.

By way of the most obvious example to have three managers in one season once is an error of judgement in the first season, to repeat that error speaks volumes about the way they think. Another was slav. He got us up playing sublime football but on a shoestring and very thin squad.. Mitro was down to him not them. And he was sabotaged, he had no chance... that was them.

Slav, parker, kiyt marco ranieri all complained about transfer expectation and policy, what we see now is less than proffesional.

When MAF took over he hired top class proffesionals, set a budget and let them get on with it. When we were if difficulties he showed up and led from the front, he iunspired the team and the support. These guys are conspicuous by their abscence, we never see them and they let TK a part time amateur be involved...that is truely eyebrow raising. The premiership need fulltim, on site proffesionals, not part time amateurs.

We have marco, potentially the best manager we have ever seen at Fulham, and they have not pinned him down and whilst I do know it is easier said than done, it should have been sorted weeks ago, it is a litany of poor management, if marco goes we will struggle, the man is a genius as slav was.

When we had MAF, I always trusted we would be safe, with the Khan's I feel sure disaster is just round the corner.

Fair points here and there but Again sadly you lost me at we were a stable club

Read this interview with someone who actually worked at the club at the time...I remember comments like this also came from Brede but wouldn't remember what to search for that

https://www.fulhamweb.co.uk/news/danny-murphy-saw-signs-of-rot-two-years-ago.aspx

Saying the khans took over a stable club is point blank a mistelling of history as is backed up by former club legends who actually played for the club.

We were a declining club that took our owners a while to steady with positive and negative decisions along the way, as with all clubs and humans.

Where many clubs have been relegated and never returned were still here and if it weren't for this Saudi drama would likely have been on course to build on last season. But here we are

As for marco it's not easy to tie down a manager when he's having boat loads of cash waved in his face from the saudis and his plans pulled from under him with the striker he built a system around dropping tools for the same reason.

It's not like they wouldn't have offered Silva improved terms and have said publcially their plan this summer is retain key players and improve the team further

I am afraid we will have to agree to differ. It is true as MAF was clearly coming to the end of his term things were not entirely as they had been when Roy was in charge but we still had the nucleus of a well established squad. What the Khan's brought was a level of amateur chaos that was breathtaking.

As far as marco is concerned they needed to pin him down at the end of last season OR let him go it is as simple as that/. I love marco and the brand of football we play but if he messes us about, and he is doing so, then you have to let him leave but because o0f poor management dfrom above this should have happened weeks ago. The saudi money is sort of irelevant because he hadn't signed before they came calling.

Thats fine - You're not disagreeing with me, you are disagreeing with the direct words of Danny Murphy who played for and was at the club during this period. I just don't get why you'd be so adamant to disagree with a direct interview with someone who was in the dressing room and is a club legend. He's a prime witness who's spoken openly about the decline. And he's also been backed up as I say by other players on this POV like Hangeland so why are you so keen to ignore what they say I don't really get it?


Seems odd to me to read that and still stand by ones own personal take on something when it's completely countered by people involved directly during that actual period on the inside who have way more direct insight than either of us could have on the matter.

As for Marco, I really find it hard to read "its as simple as that" from people who have no experience of working in that environment. It always seems easy to people who havent lived it...I get this in one of my own jobs,. people who don't have any experience working in development telling engineering teams how simple completing development "should" be.

They offered him a contract a while ago reportedly. They want Marco here for obvious reasons, pushing him out after that season would be hugely unpopular. it's easy to say in hindsight but again people are commenting on this sort of thing with zero insight into the conversations going on internally, where negotiations have been, what the agents have said to our board along the way, perhaps they hinted they wanted a resolution, how close did they make out they were to sorting out a deal. Letting go the most successful Fulham manager in recent times isn't something you do lightly if you believe theres a real chance he stays. As for "the saudi money didn't come till later" we just don't know with any certainty whatsoever when first contact was made, we only hear reports once they leak. It's possible his agent had rumblings about this Saudi summer ages ago for all we know.

For me there's just way too many assumption going on and sticking to opinions based on them for me... Before the summer we heard stories about Marco's "project" here, it didn't seem like a Manager that was on the way out so they've understandably wanted to make this work with him. It could STILL be that his agents have been haggling and stringing us along for better terms, we just don't know either way enough to be so firm on this, and perhaps there aren't a plethora of suitable options they want to takeover at this point from a man who's helped build this team including a integral core of Portuguese/Brazilian players. Personally, I wouldn't stick to anything that isn't proven or documented direct from those involved.

It is what it is, he leaves or he doesn't but without knowing the post mortem I'll personally reserve judgment of pointing fingers. A prime case of this is the recent Delle Alli interview and how he was judged and ridiculed for his career path and issues, only to come out years later to provide the direct context of his life story and to dismantle a load of press b.s written about him. The famous saying of making assumptions is one worth remembering. Not looking for a bad-tempered disagreement here, if you still don't see where Im coming from on this then indeed ya welcome to have ya own take on it.

[jayffc]

My take on it is that it is very easy to blame the Khans for everything that is wrong or goes wrong, and it is equally easy to give credit to anyone but the Khans when things go right. The relentless smug carping and bile that is spouted towards them on TIFF was one of the reasons I left that forum and moved to FoF.

In addition we don't know what is going on behind the scenes. We don't truly know how hands-on the Khans are. For all we know there might be video calls several times a day, ensuring they are involved in the day to day affairs of the club. And apparently, according to one TIFF poster, Silva is "boiling with rage". Is he? Have we seen an interview? Is he quoted in the press, boiling? Raging?

They are not perfect owners by any means. But even if they were, people would still find reasons to criticise and to "boil with rage".

Spot on

[alfie]

I  think the OP is good. I think the points are all valid because people like me do tend to blame the owner when things are wrong.

Here is my overal take and hopefully is why I complain so often.

When Mr Khan took over we were a stable club with a reasonable squad that need a bit of freshening up.

What became clear almost immediately that the management style was miles away from what was likely to be successful and when things started going wrong they did all the wrong things making it worse.

Clearly they have no problem with supplying funds, so it is definitely management style that is at issue.

By way of the most obvious example to have three managers in one season once is an error of judgement in the first season, to repeat that error speaks volumes about the way they think. Another was slav. He got us up playing sublime football but on a shoestring and very thin squad.. Mitro was down to him not them. And he was sabotaged, he had no chance... that was them.

Slav, parker, kiyt marco ranieri all complained about transfer expectation and policy, what we see now is less than proffesional.

When MAF took over he hired top class proffesionals, set a budget and let them get on with it. When we were if difficulties he showed up and led from the front, he iunspired the team and the support. These guys are conspicuous by their abscence, we never see them and they let TK a part time amateur be involved...that is truely eyebrow raising. The premiership need fulltim, on site proffesionals, not part time amateurs.

We have marco, potentially the best manager we have ever seen at Fulham, and they have not pinned him down and whilst I do know it is easier said than done, it should have been sorted weeks ago, it is a litany of poor management, if marco goes we will struggle, the man is a genius as slav was.

When we had MAF, I always trusted we would be safe, with the Khan's I feel sure disaster is just round the corner.

Fair points here and there but Again sadly you lost me at we were a stable club

Read this interview with someone who actually worked at the club at the time...I remember comments like this also came from Brede but wouldn't remember what to search for that

https://www.fulhamweb.co.uk/news/danny-murphy-saw-signs-of-rot-two-years-ago.aspx

Saying the khans took over a stable club is point blank a mistelling of history as is backed up by former club legends who actually played for the club.

We were a declining club that took our owners a while to steady with positive and negative decisions along the way, as with all clubs and humans.

Where many clubs have been relegated and never returned were still here and if it weren't for this Saudi drama would likely have been on course to build on last season. But here we are

As for marco it's not easy to tie down a manager when he's having boat loads of cash waved in his face from the saudis and his plans pulled from under him with the striker he built a system around dropping tools for the same reason.

It's not like they wouldn't have offered Silva improved terms and have said publcially their plan this summer is retain key players and improve the team further

I am afraid we will have to agree to differ. It is true as MAF was clearly coming to the end of his term things were not entirely as they had been when Roy was in charge but we still had the nucleus of a well established squad. What the Khan's brought was a level of amateur chaos that was breathtaking.

As far as marco is concerned they needed to pin him down at the end of last season OR let him go it is as simple as that/. I love marco and the brand of football we play but if he messes us about, and he is doing so, then you have to let him leave but because o0f poor management dfrom above this should have happened weeks ago. The saudi money is sort of irelevant because he hadn't signed before they came calling.

Thats fine - You're not disagreeing with me, you are disagreeing with the direct words of Danny Murphy who played for and was at the club during this period. I just don't get why you'd be so adamant to disagree with a direct interview with someone who was in the dressing room and is a club legend. He's a prime witness who's spoken openly about the decline. And he's also been backed up as I say by other players on this POV like Hangeland so why are you so keen to ignore what they say I don't really get it?


Seems odd to me to read that and still stand by ones own personal take on something when it's completely countered by people involved directly during that actual period on the inside who have way more direct insight than either of us could have on the matter.

As for Marco, I really find it hard to read "its as simple as that" from people who have no experience of working in that environment. It always seems easy to people who havent lived it...I get this in one of my own jobs,. people who don't have any experience working in development telling engineering teams how simple completing development "should" be.

They offered him a contract a while ago reportedly. They want Marco here for obvious reasons, pushing him out after that season would be hugely unpopular. it's easy to say in hindsight but again people are commenting on this sort of thing with zero insight into the conversations going on internally, where negotiations have been, what the agents have said to our board along the way, perhaps they hinted they wanted a resolution, how close did they make out they were to sorting out a deal. Letting go the most successful Fulham manager in recent times isn't something you do lightly if you believe theres a real chance he stays. As for "the saudi money didn't come till later" we just don't know with any certainty whatsoever when first contact was made, we only hear reports once they leak. It's possible his agent had rumblings about this Saudi summer ages ago for all we know.

For me there's just way too many assumption going on and sticking to opinions based on them for me... Before the summer we heard stories about Marco's "project" here, it didn't seem like a Manager that was on the way out so they've understandably wanted to make this work with him. It could STILL be that his agents have been haggling and stringing us along for better terms, we just don't know either way enough to be so firm on this, and perhaps there aren't a plethora of suitable options they want to takeover at this point from a man who's helped build this team including a integral core of Portuguese/Brazilian players. Personally, I wouldn't stick to anything that isn't proven or documented direct from those involved.

It is what it is, he leaves or he doesn't but without knowing the post mortem I'll personally reserve judgment of pointing fingers. A prime case of this is the recent Delle Alli interview and how he was judged and ridiculed for his career path and issues, only to come out years later to provide the direct context of his life story and to dismantle a load of press b.s written about him. The famous saying of making assumptions is one worth remembering. Not looking for a bad-tempered disagreement here, if you still don't see where Im coming from on this then indeed ya welcome to have ya own take on it.

I am fully in tune with your take on things, I have said on many occasions over the years through my experiences working at the club that unless you are in the room, part of the recruitment team, or part of the management you have no idea what is going on.