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Summer Silly Season Transfer Thread 2024

Started by jayffc, May 19, 2024, 11:52:16 AM

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Ara's bacon crisps

Quote from: v on August 15, 2024, 11:00:40 PMIn other news and according to Gazzetta dello Sport in Italy it seems ex Fulham academy midfielder Matt O'Riley is close to joining Europa Cup holders Atalanta for €27m from Celtic
This is the one that really grinds my gears, much more than Carvalho.

jayffc

Quote from: Ara's bacon crisps on August 16, 2024, 12:07:44 AM
Quote from: v on August 15, 2024, 11:00:40 PMIn other news and according to Gazzetta dello Sport in Italy it seems ex Fulham academy midfielder Matt O'Riley is close to joining Europa Cup holders Atalanta for €27m from Celtic
This is the one that really grinds my gears, much more than Carvalho.

Parker was too busy giving playtime to Harry Artur and Josh Onomah to give him any minutes.... Ouch

Drewry66

Back to Andre!  ::cry::

This is interesting:

https://x.com/flutricolor_/status/1824200778258796694

More evidence they have to sell. Says they are 800 million in debt which translated to £s is £113 million.

Translated:

"damn bro we need to become saf. It's sad but it's the truth man...
Fluminense will go bankrupt if no investor comes, 800 million in debt, if they don't sell André, don't get past the round of 16 of the Libertadores and are relegated, it will go over 1 billion!!! WE ARE SCREWED"

And the article within:

"Fluminense paid the salaries last Friday, but the situation remains worrying. Playing hardball to sell Árias and André, new advances on the quota and even loans are not ruled out.Qualification against Grêmio, for the Libertadores, could be a turning point."

They are 2 - 1 down against Gremio and second leg is 20/08. Sounds important financially that they qualify by winning that. Could they be looking to hold onto him for that match and then drop the price as they have to sell? Tim Vickery a journo seems to think this may be the case:

https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1824199568642220047

"they have a big game in the LIbertadores next Tuesday - don't know, but imagine that things are on hold until then"

They can barely pay wages. They literally have to sell. Read earlier one report saying they were asking for around £30 million (other have said £25m of course) and understand why Fulham won't pay that if true as it is never that much for unproven players from Brazil. Surely they will drop to £20 to £25 million here...looks like they have no choice.


Somerset Fulham

I mean, it is savage of us but at the same time this is how it works. It shouldn't, but it is.


LC

Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 16, 2024, 12:33:42 AMI mean, it is savage of us but at the same time this is how it works. It shouldn't, but it is.



I think it's irrelevant. He's untested at this level and spending £30m on him is to risky for us. We aren't the biggest club in the world or have the biggest budget so we need to stick to our prices.


jayffc

#4185
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 16, 2024, 12:33:42 AMI mean, it is savage of us but at the same time this is how it works. It shouldn't, but it is.



I mean, If their counter offer was such a reasonable price, and our current rejected bid so low, then multiple world clubs would have been all over it presumably , but they havent been. So we remain the only club to have valued him this summer at wbat we did and clearly for now are not alone in not being willing to pay more than that valuation at this stage so dont think it that savage at all.

As mentioned before its not our place to be a charity for businesses that failed to  run themsleves properly and hand out millions more of our budget than we need to when what weve offered is alreay a record fee for their club. We offered 25m reportedly, we told them how long that would be on the table for, and that's that. If they end up having to settle for less itll be their own fault for pushing their luck evidently


Neutral Zone Ultra

Quote from: Ara's bacon crisps on August 16, 2024, 12:07:44 AM
Quote from: v on August 15, 2024, 11:00:40 PMIn other news and according to Gazzetta dello Sport in Italy it seems ex Fulham academy midfielder Matt O'Riley is close to joining Europa Cup holders Atalanta for €27m from Celtic
This is the one that really grinds my gears, much more than Carvalho.
Me too. Incredible mismanagement from both Parker and Mackintosh, especially since we all knew at the time he was a talented player with serious potential.

JimmyConway

Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 16, 2024, 12:33:42 AMI mean, it is savage of us but at the same time this is how it works. It shouldn't, but it is.


Has Daniel Levy written all over it.

Drewry66

Quote from: JimmyConway on August 16, 2024, 07:38:26 AM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 16, 2024, 12:33:42 AMI mean, it is savage of us but at the same time this is how it works. It shouldn't, but it is.


Has Daniel Levy written all over it.

Yeah it sounds savage but actually I'd say they are the ones being unreasonable. Joao Gomes went for circa £15 million from Brazil. Same age, also a midfielder and although many experts over there were predicting more for Andre they were similarly rated. £15 to £20 million seems the going rate for these kind of prospects from Brazil as they are untested in the prem so if they are asking for £25m to £30m it's a lot and think we are within our rights to pay the going rate. They also could have sold him to Liverpool last summer for probably more as big club tax but they decided not to. I do feel for their situation but I think Fulham if offering £20 odd million are completely fair here considering what Gomes went for to Wolves.


@jolslover

Quote from: LC on August 16, 2024, 12:57:26 AM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 16, 2024, 12:33:42 AMI mean, it is savage of us but at the same time this is how it works. It shouldn't, but it is.



I think it's irrelevant. He's untested at this level and spending £30m on him is to risky for us. We aren't the biggest club in the world or have the biggest budget so we need to stick to our prices.



Untested in the Prem yeah but he has played for the Brazil national team (at only 23) which is a pretty high level and IMO a bigger achievement than playing in the Prem
STH H3

Twig

Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on August 16, 2024, 02:00:54 AM
Quote from: Ara's bacon crisps on August 16, 2024, 12:07:44 AM
Quote from: v on August 15, 2024, 11:00:40 PMIn other news and according to Gazzetta dello Sport in Italy it seems ex Fulham academy midfielder Matt O'Riley is close to joining Europa Cup holders Atalanta for €27m from Celtic
This is the one that really grinds my gears, much more than Carvalho.
Me too. Incredible mismanagement from both Parker and Mackintosh, especially since we all knew at the time he was a talented player with serious potential.
Add me to this list. A shocking failure by all involved.

hovewhite

Quote from: Twig on August 16, 2024, 10:30:42 AM
Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on August 16, 2024, 02:00:54 AM
Quote from: Ara's bacon crisps on August 16, 2024, 12:07:44 AM
Quote from: v on August 15, 2024, 11:00:40 PMIn other news and according to Gazzetta dello Sport in Italy it seems ex Fulham academy midfielder Matt O'Riley is close to joining Europa Cup holders Atalanta for €27m from Celtic
This is the one that really grinds my gears, much more than Carvalho.
Me too. Incredible mismanagement from both Parker and Mackintosh, especially since we all knew at the time he was a talented player with serious potential.
Add me to this list. A shocking failure by all involved.
and me ,never understood why parker didn't even put him on the bench ever,and showed his nievity as a manager.
Marco in his pre season pressers bigging up stansfield and am sure he will be on the bench and involved .


Fulham Mike

Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on August 16, 2024, 02:00:54 AM
Quote from: Ara's bacon crisps on August 16, 2024, 12:07:44 AM
Quote from: v on August 15, 2024, 11:00:40 PMIn other news and according to Gazzetta dello Sport in Italy it seems ex Fulham academy midfielder Matt O'Riley is close to joining Europa Cup holders Atalanta for €27m from Celtic
This is the one that really grinds my gears, much more than Carvalho.
Me too. Incredible mismanagement from both Parker and Mackintosh, especially since we all knew at the time he was a talented player with serious potential.

I do actually remember watching him get some minutes in the first team and at the time I thought he really wasn't that good and looked quite awkward on the ball.


sarnian

Quote from: @jolslover on August 16, 2024, 10:00:16 AM
Quote from: LC on August 16, 2024, 12:57:26 AM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 16, 2024, 12:33:42 AMI mean, it is savage of us but at the same time this is how it works. It shouldn't, but it is.



I think it's irrelevant. He's untested at this level and spending £30m on him is to risky for us. We aren't the biggest club in the world or have the biggest budget so we need to stick to our prices.



Untested in the Prem yeah but he has played for the Brazil national team (at only 23) which is a pretty high level and IMO a bigger achievement than playing in the Prem

Sorry playing the occasional game for Brazil is NOTHING like the grind of the premier league week in week out.

cmg

Quote from: Fulham Mike on August 16, 2024, 11:19:46 AM
Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on August 16, 2024, 02:00:54 AM
Quote from: Ara's bacon crisps on August 16, 2024, 12:07:44 AM
Quote from: v on August 15, 2024, 11:00:40 PMIn other news and according to Gazzetta dello Sport in Italy it seems ex Fulham academy midfielder Matt O'Riley is close to joining Europa Cup holders Atalanta for €27m from Celtic
This is the one that really grinds my gears, much more than Carvalho.
Me too. Incredible mismanagement from both Parker and Mackintosh, especially since we all knew at the time he was a talented player with serious potential.

I do actually remember watching him get some minutes in the first team and at the time I thought he really wasn't that good and looked quite awkward on the ball.



Played an hour v Reading and made 4 League Cup that season and was on the bench a dozen times.
Didn't really catch the eye. Although, of course, with the wonderful aid of hindsight, was the most dazzling prospect of all time.
He's quite a useful player now. It's taken four years of steady progress to get thus far.


Deeping_white

William confirmed on Instagram he's left - considering he's still going round the world holidaying judging by his recent activity he won't be fit for whoever he chooses to join until at least October

Fulham Mike

Quote from: cmg on August 16, 2024, 11:33:55 AM
Quote from: Fulham Mike on August 16, 2024, 11:19:46 AM
Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on August 16, 2024, 02:00:54 AM
Quote from: Ara's bacon crisps on August 16, 2024, 12:07:44 AM
Quote from: v on August 15, 2024, 11:00:40 PMIn other news and according to Gazzetta dello Sport in Italy it seems ex Fulham academy midfielder Matt O'Riley is close to joining Europa Cup holders Atalanta for €27m from Celtic
This is the one that really grinds my gears, much more than Carvalho.
Me too. Incredible mismanagement from both Parker and Mackintosh, especially since we all knew at the time he was a talented player with serious potential.

I do actually remember watching him get some minutes in the first team and at the time I thought he really wasn't that good and looked quite awkward on the ball.



Played an hour v Reading and made 4 League Cup that season and was on the bench a dozen times.
Didn't really catch the eye. Although, of course, with the wonderful aid of hindsight, was the most dazzling prospect of all time.
He's quite a useful player now. It's taken four years of steady progress to get thus far.

Yeah I mean he only signed for MK Dons after us, he's obviously improved a fair bit in the years gone by but it happens a lot. Calvin Bassey was released by Leicester 4 years ago as deeemed not good enough and now he's fantastic.



Marcel_Gecov