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Silva proposed to Juventus

Started by Jimsbeerbelly, May 30, 2025, 11:42:24 PM

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Drewry66

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Quote from: hopper on May 31, 2025, 08:20:56 PMI'm a wee bit jealous of Brentford and Thomas Frank. He's done brilliant, and seems content - never any agent touting him around or paper talk noise around him.

Getting a bit tiresome now as this is third summer of it. Does seem to have some credibility that he's being considered but not seen it say he's top choice.

Silver lining if he does go is that wouldn't be playing against him and seeing him every week.

Been very worried about the day after Silva. I've felt our success in recent years has been his by and large and I don't have much faith in our management. Signings have been good recent years so I do hope that will translate to a managerial appointment. Not an obvious pick out there.

Yeah me too. Frank just seems content there. Reported Ireola turned down Tottenham as well as was happy with the project at Bournemouth. Who knows if true but annoying if it is. As much as I love Marco we all know that as soon as the job that matches his ambitions comes up he'll be off which is a constant cloud over us. Having said that if either were offered Juve would they turn it down?! Highly doubtful but who knows.

And yeah agreed. Big concern who we are going to get if he does go. You never know...they could be brilliant but I honestly think Marco has done brilliantly with what he has been given so a big concern.

gang

Quote from: General on May 31, 2025, 05:02:08 PM
Quote from: Drewry66 on May 31, 2025, 02:52:09 PM
Quote from: Staffs White on May 31, 2025, 02:25:59 PM
Quote from: C Block on May 31, 2025, 12:30:48 AMOffer him an extended contract and give him a two week deadline to sign it, we can't have him fcuking us about all summer playing one club off against another, no players are going to sign for us if they think the manager might be leaving.

This all day long, said a few weeks ago that we can't faff around all summer and even into next season with Marcos contract running down.

Yeah agreed. Either commit now or go. Last thing we want to do is spend £100m on Marco players and then he sacks us off. I suppose easier said than done however...we give him the ultimatum and he doesn't agree to sign an extension what do we do? Sack him? That would be bold and costly to pay him out of his contract and get someone else. Got to put some pressure on however and try and get him to sign an extension now. Incentivise with pay rise etc of course. Not sure how he can convince players to come for his long term vision if he only has a year left so needs to show that commitment himself.

Sorry - what a load of crap. Marco has a good reputation for developing players, but also getting his team to play a good and well respected style of football.

At worst case scenario give him £100 to bring in some very good players and hold him to his contract, so this time next year we're in a better place to A) get him committed to a new contract, and B) if he does leave, give a better squad to whoever may come in - who will likely be better, if they know they've a good squad to work with.

It's so petulant to get rid of a good thing and be triggered by hearsay - he's had rumours around him for the last two summers and hasn't left, and in fact has signed a new contract at the time.

For all you know he could have the contracts he has because he wants to keep the club accountable to investing in the squad and not feeling 100% certain they would if they tied him down longer... perhaps having a shorter contract keeps him intellectually on his feet.

People need to calm the f**k down and stop being so melodramatic about this stuff.

Hodgson left and we spent years yo-yo-ing... We've been through sh*t as a club and always managed to bounce back. Marco's been great for the club so far, so back him. One in the hand is always better than two in the bush.



Not going to many good players for £100. :slap:

General

Quote from: Drewry66 on May 31, 2025, 08:36:08 PM
Quote from: General on May 31, 2025, 08:05:37 PM
Quote from: Drewry66 on May 31, 2025, 05:53:43 PM
Quote from: General on May 31, 2025, 05:02:08 PM
Quote from: Drewry66 on May 31, 2025, 02:52:09 PM
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Quote from: C Block on May 31, 2025, 12:30:48 AMOffer him an extended contract and give him a two week deadline to sign it, we can't have him fcuking us about all summer playing one club off against another, no players are going to sign for us if they think the manager might be leaving.

This all day long, said a few weeks ago that we can't faff around all summer and even into next season with Marcos contract running down.

Yeah agreed. Either commit now or go. Last thing we want to do is spend £100m on Marco players and then he sacks us off. I suppose easier said than done however...we give him the ultimatum and he doesn't agree to sign an extension what do we do? Sack him? That would be bold and costly to pay him out of his contract and get someone else. Got to put some pressure on however and try and get him to sign an extension now. Incentivise with pay rise etc of course. Not sure how he can convince players to come for his long term vision if he only has a year left so needs to show that commitment himself.

Sorry - what a load of crap. Marco has a good reputation for developing players, but also getting his team to play a good and well respected style of football.

At worst case scenario give him £100 to bring in some very good players and hold him to his contract, so this time next year we're in a better place to A) get him committed to a new contract, and B) if he does leave, give a better squad to whoever may come in - who will likely be better, if they know they've a good squad to work with.

It's so petulant to get rid of a good thing and be triggered by hearsay - he's had rumours around him for the last two summers and hasn't left, and in fact has signed a new contract at the time.

For all you know he could have the contracts he has because he wants to keep the club accountable to investing in the squad and not feeling 100% certain they would if they tied him down longer... perhaps having a shorter contract keeps him intellectually on his feet.

People need to calm the f**k down and stop being so melodramatic about this stuff.

Hodgson left and we spent years yo-yo-ing... We've been through sh*t as a club and always managed to bounce back. Marco's been great for the club so far, so back him. One in the hand is always better than two in the bush.

You make some fair comments mate but what's the need for what a load of crap comment?  Could just make your points without that. ::smile::

I've never been one to blindly follow rumours. I made the point on here that the Saudi thing was complete BS as so clear from last time he didn't want to go there. Some reputable sources on this one and unlikely I think he'd turn Juve down as an absolutely massive job. I'm not having a go at him. To be fair I wouldn't blame him at all for taking that job over Fulham...what manager wouldn't? My point was more that we need a decision quickly if this Juve offer is really there so we can plan and before we start spending.

I wasn't actually saying that we should sack him if he doesn't sign an extension. To the contrary I was saying that although we want him to commit if he doesn't there aren't really any sensible options for the club other than to just continue as you have outlined. We should in my opinion however try and get him to commit if we can if this Juve thing goes away as I love the guy and think he's been brilliant for the club. Every player that comes says they have done so because of him selling the project to them and them wanting to work with him. Incredibly difficult if they aren't convinced themselves that he is going to be here for long. For this reason all rumours aside I was already desperately hoping he extends.

Totally take the point that sure he'd do brilliantly over the next year if we spend £100m on players he wants. Different managers have different systems and different ideas for the players they want however so there is that side to it as well if we are being balanced. This summer is a huge opportunity to kick on with a very solid team already and hopefully a lot to spend. Praying it is Marco heading that up.

I appreciate that, and could've used less profane language, but whilst I appreciate the reply - your initial post was a lot more black and white and seemingly emotionally wreckless. You don't give a manager who's been our best since Roy, and who's just got us our record PL points tally, had us in the european spots for most of the season and who has brought on a lot of players, built up a credible reputation for the club and has us playing good football, whilst also  sticking with us through overtures from Saudi AND getting us to multiple QFs and more wins against top opposition that I think we've had under any managers.

And you wanted to give him a black and white ultimatum. You wanted to force him into doing something - which is arguably the most wreckless and disrespectful thing you can do.

Marco's not someone who's got no self esteem and will just buckle because it suits his agenda - he's a PL manager who's worked his way up and done an incredible job to get to the top of his field.

Would you like to be forced into a decision given everything he's done if you were him?

It's incredibly disrespectful and simply not how you treat someone who's done so well for you.

Yeah fair enough mate. To be fair reading my post back read that way so poor form and not really what I meant at all. Im his biggest fan and want him to stay for as long as possible. Just a reaction really to being gutted knowing that if this Juve thing is real we're prob stuffed and really just a simple response to preceding posts.

Did come across as very black and white and if I was in charge of the club I would never be threatening him, especially after all he has done.  ::smile::

If the Juve thing is real I would however be sitting down with him and saying look Marco you've been absolutely amazing for us and we are desperate for you to stay and we will back you with everything we have but we need to know in the next few weeks if you do want to take the Juve offer. I think that is completely fair enough and I think he would too.

If he wanted to stay or Juve don't actually want him I also think it's perfectly reasonable if he wants the club to spend to the FFP limits on players that he wants to  meet the ambitious plan that he has laid out to also say that we will absolutely do that but we do also want a commitment in return of an extended contract. It's not a one way street. He would of course be rewarded with increased pay and longer in the prem where he wants to be so it's not like he's not getting anything out of it. As I say I was actually questioning the ultimatum as my point was not like we're then going to sack him. If he doesn't want to sign one the club then however has to assess whether they want to back him to the hilt and chuck everything at it this summer if they think he is definitely going to leave next summer because he won't commit. I think there is definitely at least a question of whether or not it is wise to do that and I think it's perfectly reasonable if the club feel that isn't the best option.

For what it's worth if Juve don't go for him I wouldn't be surprised if he did extend. Said on here before I don't think he leaves us unless offered a top 6 prem job or something like Juve that will get him to that. If then that is not on the table then I reckon he stays beyond next summer so can't see why he'd have an issue extending.

No worries - We all have our moments and It's nothing personal - just football and a forum after all. Hope you don't feel it was too personal. Just important to acknowledge the dynamics and create a healthy space for all and the club to succeed. Hope you're having a good weekend!


Drewry66

All good ta mate.  ::smile::

Yeah just concerning this one and a badly worded reaction so apologies to you and Marco! Thought the Saudi panic was stupid as he'd already frigging turned it down. This one however.  ::cry::

You too mate. Time to have a beer and try and forget Juve exist.  ::smile::  ::beer::


hopper

Quote from: Chi_FFC on June 01, 2025, 01:17:37 PMLet's throw Inter into the mix.
https://twitter.com/GraemeBailey/status/1929144720111878651

Pure speculation from the worst journalist in the game. He's been stealing a living through clickbait for years.


Drewry66

Yeah the Juve links have been going on for a while now and from better sources. Reckon he's just chucking this in the mix for some hits.

Chi_FFC

Quote from: hopper on June 01, 2025, 01:18:44 PM
Quote from: Chi_FFC on June 01, 2025, 01:17:37 PMLet's throw Inter into the mix.
https://twitter.com/GraemeBailey/status/1929144720111878651

Pure speculation from the worst journalist in the game. He's been stealing a living through clickbait for years.
Oh, I know.

demeant0r

I get the feeling he wants to leave otherwise he wouldn't wait until the last season to sign a new deal.


C Block

My take is this,Marco Silva picks up his phone every day and uses social media as much as any of us,so he is absolutely aware of all this Italian speculation,
Now I'm not saying that he has to respond to every single piece of speculation BUT there is so much about at the moment that if his heart was 💯% into leading Fulham Football Club next season then he could release something positive this afternoon that takes away all the doubt and confusion,
This is season ticket renewal week and I would imagine that behind the scenes the club are fuming in what is such an important week.

Somerset Fulham

Didn't Inter appoint a new manager on Friday?



General


Drewry66

Quote from: General on June 01, 2025, 03:57:40 PMJust because people have short memories: This was an article posted on May 8th 2025 on Sky Sports News

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13363714/marco-silva-fulham-head-coach-happy-at-premier-league-club-amid-al-hilal-interest

Think there is no doubt he is happy here mate. He's made that clear. Also said he hadn't discussed extending his contract a few weeks ago as not the time with the season ongoing and with Tete/Cairney bigger priorities but the suggestion seemed to be that they would discuss it when the season was over. 

Inter/Juve is however a different prospect to Al-Hilal. Despite making it clear he's happy here he's also always made it clear that he wants to manage at the top of the prem and he could see champions league sides in Italy as an avenue to that. If offered you would think he'd be mad to turn it down. A few rumours however today that the Khans think he will extend as a pretty big war chest for us this summer. Sounds like he likes the control he has here as well which he won't get at most big clubs. Perhaps he's on still sees Fulham as a better path to top 6 management?

Who knows how valid these rumours are however anyway. They are supposedly from some pretty reputable sources in Italy but the more I think about it the more I think it makes no sense. Looks like it would be hugely unpopular with their fans from the bits I've read. New director comes in and makes a managerial appointment that none of the fans want...huge gamble on his part. Perhaps he's on the list hence the rumours but surely clubs of that stature go for someone bigger than a mid table prem manager who we all think is brilliant but who in their fans eyes hasn't really achieved anything of note yet. Here's praying.

Tabby

Quote from: C Block on June 01, 2025, 01:56:57 PMMy take is this,Marco Silva picks up his phone every day and uses social media as much as any of us,so he is absolutely aware of all this Italian speculation,
Now I'm not saying that he has to respond to every single piece of speculation BUT there is so much about at the moment that if his heart was 💯% into leading Fulham Football Club next season then he could release something positive this afternoon that takes away all the doubt and confusion,
This is season ticket renewal week and I would imagine that behind the scenes the club are fuming in what is such an important week.

Do you think having another 2 years of contract would make any difference if Silva wanted to go? Only difference is that we'd get a bigger compensation.


Deuce

Quote from: Drewry66 on June 01, 2025, 04:16:17 PM
Quote from: General on June 01, 2025, 03:57:40 PMJust because people have short memories: This was an article posted on May 8th 2025 on Sky Sports News

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13363714/marco-silva-fulham-head-coach-happy-at-premier-league-club-amid-al-hilal-interest

Think there is no doubt he is happy here mate. He's made that clear. Also said he hadn't discussed extending his contract a few weeks ago as not the time with the season ongoing and with Tete/Cairney bigger priorities but the suggestion seemed to be that they would discuss it when the season was over. 

Inter/Juve is however a different prospect to Al-Hilal. Despite making it clear he's happy here he's also always made it clear that he wants to manage at the top of the prem and he could see champions league sides in Italy as an avenue to that. If offered you would think he'd be mad to turn it down. A few rumours however today that the Khans think he will extend as a pretty big war chest for us this summer. Sounds like he likes the control he has here as well which he won't get at most big clubs. Perhaps he's on still sees Fulham as a better path to top 6 management?

Who knows how valid these rumours are however anyway. They are supposedly from some pretty reputable sources in Italy but the more I think about it the more I think it makes no sense. Looks like it would be hugely unpopular with their fans from the bits I've read. New director comes in and makes a managerial appointment that none of the fans want...huge gamble on his part. Perhaps he's on the list hence the rumours but surely clubs of that stature go for someone bigger than a mid table prem manager who we all think is brilliant but who in their fans eyes hasn't really achieved anything of note yet. Here's praying.
Agree with this and there are pretty much no players or coaches that would openly state that they arent happy at the club. Its standard procedure when speaking to the media to say that you are happy and focused.

And im not saying Marco isnt happy, in just saying that basing anything on such a flat statement isnt a very good idea.

I dont see how this would even be a discussion. If Juve are in for him, then surely he wouldnt think twice and not should he. He deserves to go to a bigger club.

And frankly, given his past I thought he would have left sooner

Deuce

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Quote from: Deeping_white on May 31, 2025, 06:27:05 PM
Quote from: Deuce on May 31, 2025, 06:08:36 PMIve been preparing for this for at least the past two summers. Marcos work is obviously not going unnoticed and if its not Juve this time then surely its someone else. Another season with Marco is a bonus

Ive read somewhere that Vitor Pereira is/would be considered as a replacement. Wouldnt be against that at all and it would be a nice touch to keep our Lusophone vibe

Vitor Pereira isn't a great idea because he plays with a system that we don't really have a squad for in a 3-4-3 or a 3-4-2-1; we'd need to spend more money on defenders who are comfortable in his back 3 system and it would render Robbo less effective from LWB. Our squad is so geared to a 4-3-3 oriented system that we either pick a replacement who can pick up this squad and take it forward with some additions, or we pick a manager who uses a different system and give them shed loads of money to rebuild the squad, which realistically takes two seasons given the first year will be an unknown with new players and new system
Good point. On the other hand, I dont see shaping our squad so that we can switch between a back 3 and a back 4 to be a bad thing. I think having that tactical flexibility would only be a strength. Brentford (ah, our loadstar that we all love to reference) among others usually switch between different tactical systems. And im not proposing us to go full 352 and revamp the squad, but simply making slight adjustment in terms of 2-3 signings could still make playing with a back 3 possible without us throwing out the good ole 433 completely.
 

MickTheBeard

Perhaps he is trying to put us on the spot if we can't get to sign a n extension we let him go cheaply so silva and mendis take a slice of the spoils the problem with a coach and not a manager they plan for the future can't believe the rumours of the player in turkey who silva wants 33 years old offering up to 10mil euros can't be true then their is his wages honestly you couldn't make it up.


KentFulham

Quote from: Deuce on June 01, 2025, 06:59:58 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on May 31, 2025, 06:27:05 PM
Quote from: Deuce on May 31, 2025, 06:08:36 PMIve been preparing for this for at least the past two summers. Marcos work is obviously not going unnoticed and if its not Juve this time then surely its someone else. Another season with Marco is a bonus

Ive read somewhere that Vitor Pereira is/would be considered as a replacement. Wouldnt be against that at all and it would be a nice touch to keep our Lusophone vibe

Vitor Pereira isn't a great idea because he plays with a system that we don't really have a squad for in a 3-4-3 or a 3-4-2-1; we'd need to spend more money on defenders who are comfortable in his back 3 system and it would render Robbo less effective from LWB. Our squad is so geared to a 4-3-3 oriented system that we either pick a replacement who can pick up this squad and take it forward with some additions, or we pick a manager who uses a different system and give them shed loads of money to rebuild the squad, which realistically takes two seasons given the first year will be an unknown with new players and new system
Good point. On the other hand, I dont see shaping our squad so that we can switch between a back 3 and a back 4 to be a bad thing. I think having that tactical flexibility would only be a strength. Brentford (ah, our loadstar that we all love to reference) among others usually switch between different tactical systems. And im not proposing us to go full 352 and revamp the squad, but simply making slight adjustment in terms of 2-3 signings could still make playing with a back 3 possible without us throwing out the good ole 433 completely.
 

Also our 433 is probably the most defensive 433 in the league