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Harry Wilson

Started by copthornemike, February 08, 2026, 10:17:05 AM

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copthornemike

Harry Wilson was pretty ineffective throughout yesterday's game, but could not fault his effort.
Unfortunately we cannot be too surprised in retrospect.
Everton put in a bid for him only a week earlier so cannot be surprised if he, and how Fulham use him, was analysed to death.
In attack Everton successfully nullified those driving runs of his where he cuts in  until he can fire off a shot on goal.
Unfortunately they also exploited his defensive weaknesses, particularly in the second half. He was too slow and ineffective as Everton continually double teamed up against Castagne creating havoc. The number of times our centre halves ended up being drawn out of position was legion.
On this occasion you have to give praise, unfortunately, to the opposition's tactics and planning.
Still, so pleased Harry is still a Cottager rather than a Toffee Nose. Imagine if he had lined up against us yesterday!

Bill2

Quote from: copthornemike on February 08, 2026, 10:17:05 AMHarry Wilson was pretty ineffective throughout yesterday's game, but could not fault his effort.
Unfortunately we cannot be too surprised in retrospect.
Everton put in a bid for him only a week earlier so cannot be surprised if he, and how Fulham use him, was analysed to death.
In attack Everton successfully nullified those driving runs of his where he cuts in  u til he can fire off a shot on goal.
Unfortunately they also exploited his defensive weaknesses, particularly in the second half. He was too slow and ineffective as Everton continually double teamed up against Castagne creating havoc. The number of times our centre halves ended up being drawn out of position was legion.
On this occasion you have to give praise, unfortunately, to the opposition's tactics and planning.
Still, so pleased Harry is still a Cottager rather than a Toffee Nose. Imagine if he had lined up against us yesterday!
Had a poor game, especially in the second half, but then who didn't. Had a good chance on the first half and uncharacteristically blasted well over.

KentFulham

Raul also could have played Wilson in for the easiest goal of the day


Neil D

Quote from: KentFulham on February 08, 2026, 10:27:33 AMRaul also could have played Wilson in for the easiest goal of the day

Yes.  Shockingly bad decision by Jimenez. Wilson was beside himself with frustration and rightly so.

Whitestone

Quote from: Neil D on February 08, 2026, 12:11:17 PM
Quote from: KentFulham on February 08, 2026, 10:27:33 AMRaul also could have played Wilson in for the easiest goal of the day

Yes.  Shockingly bad decision by Jimenez. Wilson was beside himself with frustration and rightly so.

It's easy to say that in hindsight. It was a good chance that on another day Jimenez would have put away. Of course Wilson was frustrated but was he in a better position than Jimenez ? I don't think so. Just one of those things that left us all frustrated. There's no need to pile in on Jimenez.

demeant0r

Quote from: Whitestone on February 08, 2026, 01:03:40 PM
Quote from: Neil D on February 08, 2026, 12:11:17 PM
Quote from: KentFulham on February 08, 2026, 10:27:33 AMRaul also could have played Wilson in for the easiest goal of the day

Yes.  Shockingly bad decision by Jimenez. Wilson was beside himself with frustration and rightly so.

It's easy to say that in hindsight. It was a good chance that on another day Jimenez would have put away. Of course Wilson was frustrated but was he in a better position than Jimenez ? I don't think so. Just one of those things that left us all frustrated. There's no need to pile in on Jimenez.

Correct. Raul is usually very, very selfless. Almost too selfless. Most of the time he needs to be in the box to shoot but sometimes, because he dropped deep to help the team, he's not in that position. I can forgive him for this. I just hope Muniz is can play a bigger part very soon because Raul must be absolutely knackered.


jayffc

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Quote from: Whitestone on February 08, 2026, 01:03:40 PM
Quote from: Neil D on February 08, 2026, 12:11:17 PM
Quote from: KentFulham on February 08, 2026, 10:27:33 AMRaul also could have played Wilson in for the easiest goal of the day

Yes.  Shockingly bad decision by Jimenez. Wilson was beside himself with frustration and rightly so.

It's easy to say that in hindsight. It was a good chance that on another day Jimenez would have put away. Of course Wilson was frustrated but was he in a better position than Jimenez ? I don't think so. Just one of those things that left us all frustrated. There's no need to pile in on Jimenez.

He definately was in a better position and was screaming at him to pass at the time let alone in hindsight.
Wilson was facing goal, coming on to any incoming ball on his favoured left foot, with the whole goal to shoot at.

Raul was back to goal, with a defender between him and the goal and had to swivel to shoot.

I can see why he went for what he did, but the execution was rubbish and Wilson for sure had the higher percentage chance. Raul simply doesn't score enough from open play.


Whitestone

Quote from: jayffc on February 08, 2026, 03:16:10 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on February 08, 2026, 01:03:40 PM
Quote from: Neil D on February 08, 2026, 12:11:17 PM
Quote from: KentFulham on February 08, 2026, 10:27:33 AMRaul also could have played Wilson in for the easiest goal of the day

Yes.  Shockingly bad decision by Jimenez. Wilson was beside himself with frustration and rightly so.

It's easy to say that in hindsight. It was a good chance that on another day Jimenez would have put away. Of course Wilson was frustrated but was he in a better position than Jimenez ? I don't think so. Just one of those things that left us all frustrated. There's no need to pile in on Jimenez.

He definately was in a better position and was screaming at him to pass at the time let alone in hindsight.
Wilson was facing goal, coming on to any incoming ball on his favoured left foot, with the whole goal to shoot at.

Raul was back to goal, with a defender between him and the goal and had to swivel to shoot.

I can see why he went for what he did, but the execution was rubbish and Wilson for sure had the higher percentage chance. Raul simply doesn't score enough from open play.



It's easy to freeze frame to make a point. If you watch in real time if Wilson had received a pass the whole frame would have changed. I'm not saying a pass wasn't an option but I don't believe it to be as clear cut as you seem to think.

WindyCity

Quote from: Whitestone on February 08, 2026, 01:03:40 PM
Quote from: Neil D on February 08, 2026, 12:11:17 PM
Quote from: KentFulham on February 08, 2026, 10:27:33 AMRaul also could have played Wilson in for the easiest goal of the day
Yes.  Shockingly bad decision by Jimenez. Wilson was beside himself with frustration and rightly so.
but was he in a better position than Jimenez ? I don't think so.

Disagree.  Wilson was clearly in a very good position to knock home an easy goal.  Wide open and unmarked.  Maybe Jimenez didn't see him?  Or maybe he had made his mind up to take the shot?  Not piling on Jimenez, but just a shame he didn't lay off to Wilson.


ffc73

Raul had a poor game. He missed the target again in the second half on a rare breakaway when it looked easier to score. 

Under pressure yes but he put ball wide from point blank range in the centre of the goal.

Chi_FFC

Quote from: ffc73 on February 08, 2026, 05:48:00 PMRaul had a poor game. He missed the target again in the second half on a rare breakaway when it looked easier to score. 

Under pressure yes but he put ball wide from point blank range in the centre of the goal.
That's not what happened. The Everton defender was first to the ball and cleared it out of play, though it took a touch off of Raul on the way out of play (hence the GK, not a corner).

ffc73

Quote from: Chi_FFC on February 08, 2026, 06:13:42 PM
Quote from: ffc73 on February 08, 2026, 05:48:00 PMRaul had a poor game. He missed the target again in the second half on a rare breakaway when it looked easier to score. 

Under pressure yes but he put ball wide from point blank range in the centre of the goal.
That's not what happened. The Everton defender was first to the ball and cleared it out of play, though it took a touch off of Raul on the way out of play (hence the GK, not a corner).

I stand corrected Chi_FFC, thanks for clarifying.


btffc

Quote from: Chi_FFC on February 08, 2026, 06:13:42 PM
Quote from: ffc73 on February 08, 2026, 05:48:00 PMRaul had a poor game. He missed the target again in the second half on a rare breakaway when it looked easier to score. 

Under pressure yes but he put ball wide from point blank range in the centre of the goal.
That's not what happened. The Everton defender was first to the ball and cleared it out of play, though it took a touch off of Raul on the way out of play (hence the GK, not a corner).

He should have done much better to hold off the defender with strength. Letting him getting around and in front was very poor.

Chi_FFC

Quote from: btffc on February 08, 2026, 07:56:13 PM
Quote from: Chi_FFC on February 08, 2026, 06:13:42 PM
Quote from: ffc73 on February 08, 2026, 05:48:00 PMRaul had a poor game. He missed the target again in the second half on a rare breakaway when it looked easier to score. 

Under pressure yes but he put ball wide from point blank range in the centre of the goal.
That's not what happened. The Everton defender was first to the ball and cleared it out of play, though it took a touch off of Raul on the way out of play (hence the GK, not a corner).

He should have done much better to hold off the defender with strength. Letting him getting around and in front was very poor.
Eh, I think "very poor" is more than a bit harsh on him here. Raul didn't really let the defender get around and in front of him, the defender (who is pacier than Raul) was well positioned just in front of him for the entire sequence of play (he also had a hold of Raul's jersey).

btffc

Quote from: Chi_FFC on February 08, 2026, 08:19:50 PM
Quote from: btffc on February 08, 2026, 07:56:13 PM
Quote from: Chi_FFC on February 08, 2026, 06:13:42 PM
Quote from: ffc73 on February 08, 2026, 05:48:00 PMRaul had a poor game. He missed the target again in the second half on a rare breakaway when it looked easier to score. 

Under pressure yes but he put ball wide from point blank range in the centre of the goal.
That's not what happened. The Everton defender was first to the ball and cleared it out of play, though it took a touch off of Raul on the way out of play (hence the GK, not a corner).

He should have done much better to hold off the defender with strength. Letting him getting around and in front was very poor.
Eh, I think "very poor" is more than a bit harsh on him here. Raul didn't really let the defender get around and in front of him, the defender (who is pacier than Raul) was well positioned just in front of him for the entire sequence of play (he also had a hold of Raul's jersey).

He has to hold him off with his arm there.


KentFulham

Raul is no longer a natural goal scorer from open play, that is simple fact looking at his stats, Wilson is our top scorer and appears to finish well when presented with the chance.

Chi_FFC

Quote from: btffc on February 08, 2026, 08:22:44 PM
Quote from: Chi_FFC on February 08, 2026, 08:19:50 PM
Quote from: btffc on February 08, 2026, 07:56:13 PM
Quote from: Chi_FFC on February 08, 2026, 06:13:42 PM
Quote from: ffc73 on February 08, 2026, 05:48:00 PMRaul had a poor game. He missed the target again in the second half on a rare breakaway when it looked easier to score. 

Under pressure yes but he put ball wide from point blank range in the centre of the goal.
That's not what happened. The Everton defender was first to the ball and cleared it out of play, though it took a touch off of Raul on the way out of play (hence the GK, not a corner).

He should have done much better to hold off the defender with strength. Letting him getting around and in front was very poor.
Eh, I think "very poor" is more than a bit harsh on him here. Raul didn't really let the defender get around and in front of him, the defender (who is pacier than Raul) was well positioned just in front of him for the entire sequence of play (he also had a hold of Raul's jersey).

He has to hold him off with his arm there.
Eh, looks to me like he's trying but the defender already had a step on him (and a hold of his jersey).

ron

If Harry had been given the easy chance to put that away, then the run of play would have stayed with us .... resulting probably in three points*

* my opinion, I may be wrong **

** but I'm not.


Rightwhite

Quote from: Bill2 on February 08, 2026, 10:18:46 AM
Quote from: copthornemike on February 08, 2026, 10:17:05 AMHarry Wilson was pretty ineffective throughout yesterday's game, but could not fault his effort.
Unfortunately we cannot be too surprised in retrospect.
Everton put in a bid for him only a week earlier so cannot be surprised if he, and how Fulham use him, was analysed to death.
In attack Everton successfully nullified those driving runs of his where he cuts in  u til he can fire off a shot on goal.
Unfortunately they also exploited his defensive weaknesses, particularly in the second half. He was too slow and ineffective as Everton continually double teamed up against Castagne creating havoc. The number of times our centre halves ended up being drawn out of position was legion.
On this occasion you have to give praise, unfortunately, to the opposition's tactics and planning.
Still, so pleased Harry is still a Cottager rather than a Toffee Nose. Imagine if he had lined up against us yesterday!
Had a poor game, especially in the second half, but then who didn't. Had a good chance on the first half and uncharacteristically blasted well over.
Bad day at the office. Like the rest of em. It happens.