I Don't know if it's been discussed on here but sky sports are saying that Tunnicliffe has been give permission to talk to Wigan and Ipswich about a loan move
Has been discussed briefly I believe, but if it goes ahead I would be slightly shocked as the youth and energy he brought in alongside Holtby, Burn etc really looked to be a positive for us in the game he did play.
Think it would be stupid to loan him out, when he clearly has a brain and the legs on him which you could argue the likes of Parker, Boateng and Duff don't have.
plus he has very good discipline and can play in two or three positions across the team.
Very disappointing. Thought Magath had the reputation of mixing youth and experience. No evidence of the former yet.
He does with successful teams from what I have been told by a German colleague at work, but in teams he goes to that are struggling he prefers experience apparently.
I like general think it would not be wise to,loan him out, he brings youth, energy and versatility to the midfield. Surely against Chelsea and City we will play a more defensive formation like against united and pool, so he could be needed for that.
Felix clearly doesn't think he has the ability yet to make a difference in a relegation fight.
I beg to differ.
Quote from: Julius Geezer on February 24, 2014, 06:07:37 PM
Felix clearly doesn't think he has the ability yet to make a difference in a relegation fight.
I beg to differ.
I ain't telling him.
Ridiculous decision based on his performances so far. Never stopped running, played out of position, got up and down the pitch, and showed the energy and commitment we need for someone so new to the Club. Players like him are the future - how must he be feeling?
I'll tell him.
Far too youthful & energetic for us! Best place for him is another club. No doubt Burn will be on his way soon as well.
We're better off unloading Boateng.
Is there a possibility its because René brought him in?
Is Cole next?
Lol @ cmg.
Quote from: GloucesterWhite on February 24, 2014, 05:42:27 PM
Very disappointing. Thought Magath had the reputation of mixing youth and experience. No evidence of the former yet.
Chill out! One game, in which Burn and Holtby played. Not the time to start banding around sweeping presumptions.
Much prefer him to Parker as the high work rate midfield destroyer. Disappointing.
Quote from: Pluto on February 24, 2014, 07:39:49 PM
Much prefer him to Parker as the high work rate midfield destroyer. Disappointing.
he's played 2 games wide almost as a second RB. What makes you think he is a midfield destroyer to replace Parker?
I think this is disgusting as I like this lad he plays with some heart and he wants to do well. I'm suprised it's him potentially going and not boateng
Quote from: GloucesterWhite on February 24, 2014, 05:42:27 PM
Very disappointing. Thought Magath had the reputation of mixing youth and experience. No evidence of the former yet.
I'm sure Burn, Kasami and The Tank were on the bench and Holtby started.
Quote from: Danitar on February 24, 2014, 08:03:24 PM
I think this is disgusting as I like this lad he plays with some heart and he wants to do well. I'm suprised it's him potentially going and not boateng
I'm sure we'd be happy to let Boateng go on loan if a Club (who could afford to pay his wages) wanted him.
Probably best for him. Didn't do badly, but didn't do great although playing out of position. Think Dejagah will start every game and he's hardly going to get in front of the 3 other centre mids.
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Much prefer him to Parker as the high work rate midfield destroyer. Disappointing.
he's played 2 games wide almost as a second RB. What makes you think he is a midfield destroyer to replace Parker?
My thoughts exactly
My first reaction was that it might have had more to do with him being miffed that Rene, who brought him in, has gone.
It does highlight the complete confusion and panic at Fulham. We paid money for two players,both included in the squad and one played. Now thay are no longer in the squad and can go out on loan.
Fulham do not come out of any of this very well.
I think we've probably seen the last of Tunnicliffe and Cole. They were signed specifically on the weight of Rene's recommendation; Felix doesn't know a thing about them.
I've read that Felix has reduced the number of players who participate in first team training. I'm fairly sure that those excluded are mostly under 25, and that the two kids we signed from United are among them.
Happens all the time with an in-season managerial change.
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Much prefer him to Parker as the high work rate midfield destroyer. Disappointing.
he's played 2 games wide almost as a second RB. What makes you think he is a midfield destroyer to replace Parker?
My thoughts exactly
Well for one that's his natural position and role, and basically the job he did in the games he played except on the right rather than in the middle. But secondly, and more importantly, because he can't possibly be any worse.
Watching our descent into the championship is such a painful comedy of errors , we really have knee jerked our way to relegation.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2566873/Fulhams-Ryan-Tunnicliffe-shown-door-new-boss-Felix-Magath-just-25-days-signing.html?ico=sport%5Eheadlines (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2566873/Fulhams-Ryan-Tunnicliffe-shown-door-new-boss-Felix-Magath-just-25-days-signing.html?ico=sport%5Eheadlines)
I think he will be first team pick for next year.
Magath says he wants a smaller core group of players to concentrate on for the remaining games. Consistency of selection makes sense to me and it may be that the 18 we saw at West Brom are more or less it.
As for Tunnicliffe it may be that Magath doesn't rate him but it could also be that he's reacted badly to Rene's sacking and Magath can't be bothered to deal with him right now.
Or maybe he's definitely one for the future and he's better off playing regular Championship football and available to be recalled if necessary.
Our only chance is for Magath to get things right and I can't be bothered judging his picks and tactics. He's in charge and we'll either get the results or we won't. We'll not be appointing another manager in April.
Yes, this is the last throw of the dice.
We just have to trust in Magath's decision making and leadership, and keep right behind the team - like we were, magnificently, at Albion.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on February 25, 2014, 07:30:04 AM
Magath says he wants a smaller core group of players to concentrate on for the remaining games. Consistency of selection makes sense to me and it may be that the 18 we saw at West Brom are more or less it.
As for Tunnicliffe it may be that Magath doesn't rate him but it could also be that he's reacted badly to Rene's sacking and Magath can't be bothered to deal with him right now.
Or maybe he's definitely one for the future and he's better off playing regular Championship football and available to be recalled if necessary.
Our only chance is for Magath to get things right and I can't be bothered judging his picks and tactics. He's in charge and we'll either get the results or we won't. We'll not be appointing another manager in April.
Yes and Magath has a contract for 18 months, is not a quitter and would not want to fail at getting us out of whatever-they-call-division-two now at the first attempt - if need be.
This is what annoys me... another reason we should have kept Rene.
Magath has made such a rash decision and some papers are saying Tunnicliffe will be out in the summer!
Tunnicliffe played two games for us out of position and worked his socks off. He's Central midfielder, he's young, full of energy and will only get better. With the ageing options in midfield we should be grateful he's joined us. He should start alongside Sidwell if i'm honest, and rotate with Kvist. Not Parker sadly.
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Quote from: GloucesterWhite on February 24, 2014, 05:42:27 PM
Very disappointing. Thought Magath had the reputation of mixing youth and experience. No evidence of the former yet.
Chill out! One game, in which Burn and Holtby played. Not the time to start banding around sweeping presumptions.
Not sure Holtby counts as one of our younger players!
One of the papers says of Tunnicliffe: 'a loan with a view to a permanent move in the summer'. Hope that's just paper talk.
Quote from: Bronaldinho on February 25, 2014, 08:54:05 AM
Magath has made such a rash decision and some papers are saying Tunnicliffe will be out in the summer!
Magath has had to make a super quick decision as to which players to trust and focus on them.
Next season we may or may not be in the Premier League and Magath may or may not be manager.
Really? This level of overreaction to a youth player going out on loan, given that Magath has already explained that he wants a more stable central core of players?
Meulensteen knows cole and tunnicliffe. Magath doesn't. Better that they get game time. Yes it's a bit of a botch and I feel sorry for the pair as they moved for meulensteen, but they are better off on loan.
Quote from: FFCByTheRiver on February 25, 2014, 09:05:28 AM
Really? This level of overreaction to a youth player going out on loan, given that Magath has already explained that he wants a more stable central core of players?
As explained many times previously. Magath looks like hes going to make the same mistake Jol did. Over rely on the older players who aren't up to it and succumb to having a team lacking energy with any go in them after the 70 minute mark.
Call it an overreaction if you will but at least with Rene the signs of progression were there, even if our EPL status wasn't. Youth and energy were being injected into our team, something that many had wished to see for a long time. Based on a few weeks and one game's selection, I don't see how this can be disproved.
My take on events. Even if we went down(under rene), I wouldn't have been worried as we looked like we had a core of players who gave a dam and ran there nuts off with an avg age of 26-27. Now we're back to 30+ and for me, the future is a little less bright again if/when we go down.
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Much prefer him to Parker as the high work rate midfield destroyer. Disappointing.
he's played 2 games wide almost as a second RB. What makes you think he is a midfield destroyer to replace Parker?
My thoughts exactly
Well for one that's his natural position and role, and basically the job he did in the games he played except on the right rather than in the middle. But secondly, and more importantly, because he can't possibly be any worse.
I still dont see how you can view those two appearances as in any way the answer to our problems in CM.
I think as TG says below, there has been an issue with FM coming in. He's probably pissed off that hes been persuaded to come down to London by Rene only for the coach who has known since he was nine to be sacked after a week or two.
Ryan Tunnicliffe (21) was not in the squad for WBA.
Alexander Kačaniklić (22) was not in the squad for WBA
Larnell Cole (20) was not in the squad for WBA
Muamer Tanković (19) was in the squad for WBA
Dan Burn (21) was in the squad for WBA
Pajtim Kasami (21) was in the squad for WBA
Lewis Holtby (23) was in the squad for WBA
So it clearly shows that Magath has no plan to use young players in his match day squads.
Quote from: MJG on February 25, 2014, 10:28:59 AM
Ryan Tunnicliffe (21) was not in the squad for WBA.
Alexander Kačaniklić (22) was not in the squad for WBA
Larnell Cole (20) was not in the squad for WBA
Muamer Tanković (19) was in the squad for WBA
Dan Burn (21) was in the squad for WBA
Pajtim Kasami (21) was in the squad for WBA
Lewis Holtby (23) was in the squad for WBA
So it clearly shows that Magath has no plan to use young players in his match day squads.
Also dropping Burn from the starting 11 and giving starts to out of form Parker and Brede.
"As explained many times previously. Magath looks like hes going to make the same mistake Jol did. Over rely on the older players who aren't up to it and succumb to having a team lacking energy with any go in them after the 70 minute mark."
But I thought Magath was known for emphasising the importance of fitness.
Quote from: FFC1987 on February 25, 2014, 10:32:14 AM
Quote from: MJG on February 25, 2014, 10:28:59 AM
Ryan Tunnicliffe (21) was not in the squad for WBA.
Alexander Kačaniklić (22) was not in the squad for WBA
Larnell Cole (20) was not in the squad for WBA
Muamer Tanković (19) was in the squad for WBA
Dan Burn (21) was in the squad for WBA
Pajtim Kasami (21) was in the squad for WBA
Lewis Holtby (23) was in the squad for WBA
So it clearly shows that Magath has no plan to use young players in his match day squads.
Also dropping Burn from the starting 11 and giving starts to out of form Parker and Brede.
who did fine.
Magath has had to make an instant choice. We've used something like 40 players this season and that's a nonsense.
We have to hope that he gets it right. Simple as - really no point in banging on about how he must choose A over B.
Quote from: FFC1987 on February 25, 2014, 10:32:14 AM
Quote from: MJG on February 25, 2014, 10:28:59 AM
Ryan Tunnicliffe (21) was not in the squad for WBA.
Alexander Kačaniklić (22) was not in the squad for WBA
Larnell Cole (20) was not in the squad for WBA
Muamer Tanković (19) was in the squad for WBA
Dan Burn (21) was in the squad for WBA
Pajtim Kasami (21) was in the squad for WBA
Lewis Holtby (23) was in the squad for WBA
So it clearly shows that Magath has no plan to use young players in his match day squads.
Also dropping Burn from the starting 11 and giving starts to out of form Parker and Brede.
I dont disagree with that and feel sorry for Burn because he had done well. But we could all see him reverting to those he know.
After Saturday hopefully he saw issue with both those players, but to be fair Hangeland did ok, Parker less so.
he will also have seen Amore is crap and Richardson is hopeless if you want a player to last 90 mins.
Its a learning process for FM, he needs to find out what most of us already know about some players. But I'm sure he know what he is doing.
What i dont really get is the Tunnicliffe love in based on a player who played 2 games as a second rb. 2 games where we were ultra defensive but still let in 5 goals.
there is a lot of disagreement over players but us all but it is just one persons opinion and everyone is entitled to that.
I personally would like to see a younger average age of the starting 11 but if FM thinks he should use the players he has then so be it. Tunni and Cole have been unlucky with the manager change but in some ways Ali Mac (if it is true we agreed a deal prior to Man Utd with FM) should not have let us go for these two players (if it is true as Kahn said was responsible for improving the squad in January. If they have been told and i say "IF" they have no future with us then it is a shame on us as a club, as these two lads have something to offer. Tunni maybe just a worker and Cole maybe be the unknown but we should see what they have before discarding.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on February 25, 2014, 10:40:02 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on February 25, 2014, 10:32:14 AM
Quote from: MJG on February 25, 2014, 10:28:59 AM
Ryan Tunnicliffe (21) was not in the squad for WBA.
Alexander Kačaniklić (22) was not in the squad for WBA
Larnell Cole (20) was not in the squad for WBA
Muamer Tanković (19) was in the squad for WBA
Dan Burn (21) was in the squad for WBA
Pajtim Kasami (21) was in the squad for WBA
Lewis Holtby (23) was in the squad for WBA
So it clearly shows that Magath has no plan to use young players in his match day squads.
Also dropping Burn from the starting 11 and giving starts to out of form Parker and Brede.
who did fine.
Magath has had to make an instant choice. We've used something like 40 players this season and that's a nonsense.
We have to hope that he gets it right. Simple as - really no point in banging on about how he must choose A over B.
They both questionably did fine. Nothing more.
This is true but it helps to question whether we are falling into the same trap as before. I for one thought it was refreshing to finally tackle the issue of our aging team and the lack of energy within. Something that, from a short term look, isn't being addressed and in my opinion will take us down.
So we welcome in a manager who is ignoring the positives of Renes lineups and reverting to the players who 1. Originally got us into this mess 2. Have very little to offer in the future 3. Suffer from lack of fitness and mobility 4. Are past caring.
This does not give me a good feeling. We are pretty well beyond the point of saving. At least plan for the future and don't lose what positives we had for a futile last ditch stand. Arresting any slide will be far more important than anything else. All the indicators point towards implosion.
I welcome Magath IF he succeeds and it's far too early to know that. I really don't care what methods he uses or choices he makes if he gets us enough points.
It's frankly ridiculous for any of us to pontificate about what needs to be done NOW given the state we're in. It'll be done Magath's way for better or for worse.
Reappraisal in the summer. For now we'd better hope that he knows what he's doing. FWIW I wouldn't have picked Hangeland or Parker over Burn or Kvist but I'm not interested in claiming that I know better.
Quote from: Fulhampete on February 25, 2014, 10:51:31 AM
So we welcome in a manager who is ignoring the positives of Renes lineups and reverting to the players who 1. Originally got us into this mess 2. Have very little to offer in the future 3. Suffer from lack of fitness and mobility 4. Are past caring.
This does not give me a good feeling. We are pretty well beyond the point of saving. At least plan for the future and don't lose what positives we had for a futile last ditch stand. Arresting any slide will be far more important than anything else. All the indicators point towards implosion.
This is how I feel on the matter. He said he did his research and criticised Rene for some of his tactics and setting out a team to 'concede' possession. Pot and kettle there after WBA surely!
Quote from: TonyGilroy on February 25, 2014, 10:59:42 AM
I welcome Magath IF he succeeds and it's far too early to know that. I really don't care what methods he uses or choices he makes if he gets us enough points.
It's frankly ridiculous for any of us to pontificate about what needs to be done NOW given the state we're in. It'll be done Magath's way for better or for worse.
Reappraisal in the summer. For now we'd better hope that he knows what he's doing. FWIW I wouldn't have picked Hangeland or Parker over Burn or Kvist but I'm not interested in claiming that I know better.
I can see you don't feel now is the time for debate. I'll conclude my interaction in this debate with this. In making the change in the manner in which we did, I feel we have gone backwards and not learnt from the short termism which got us in this mess.
I certainly don't mind debate and there's a fair old chance that you're right.
I was shocked at Rene's sacking but on reflexion he really wasn't achieving so now we're doing things differently.
Like it or not it'll be Magath's way for better or worse and it's very premature to judge him on one match. Rene's first match was great but mostly downhill from there.
As good as a performance Rene's first match was, we still lost to a late goal.
If Magath can do anything to inprove the stamina in the team to be able to run for 90 minutes, then his appointment will be a success over the last 2 incumbents.
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Much prefer him to Parker as the high work rate midfield destroyer. Disappointing.
he's played 2 games wide almost as a second RB. What makes you think he is a midfield destroyer to replace Parker?
My thoughts exactly
Well for one that's his natural position and role, and basically the job he did in the games he played except on the right rather than in the middle. But secondly, and more importantly, because he can't possibly be any worse.
I still dont see how you can view those two appearances as in any way the answer to our problems in CM.
I think as TG says below, there has been an issue with FM coming in. He's probably pissed off that hes been persuaded to come down to London by Rene only for the coach who has known since he was nine to be sacked after a week or two.
I never said he was the answer to our problems in central midifled, only that he's better than Parker. Kvist might well be the answer and I'd use Tunicliffe as backup to him or to bring off the bench when we need some youthful energy.
Quote from: Fulhampete on February 25, 2014, 10:51:31 AM
So we welcome in a manager who is ignoring the positives of Renes lineups and reverting to the players who 1. Originally got us into this mess 2. Have very little to offer in the future 3. Suffer from lack of fitness and mobility 4. Are past caring.
This does not give me a good feeling. We are pretty well beyond the point of saving. At least plan for the future and don't lose what positives we had for a futile last ditch stand. Arresting any slide will be far more important than anything else. All the indicators point towards implosion.
:plus one: This lot have been getting us nowhere for two seasons now- what reason does Magath see to suggest that they can do the business now rather than hungry young players like Tunicliffe, especially after only being here a week.
In my view this is poor management, Magath hasn't been in the job long enough to make an assessment on Tunicliffe or Cole, and hasn't seen them play for us. Why take a chance on the has beens based purely on reputation and isolate young guys who could potentially help us out?
What we need to do is change the laws so that we can play all of our players, all the time, and then we can all be happy.
And if the young players muck it up it'll be "why did you ditch the experienced players?"
Magath has picked those players he thinks he can most rely on and the difference hopefully will be the way he sets the team up.
Any of us may think we know better and Magath may well fail to improve things but it's just possible that he knows what he's doing. If he doesn't we can be quick to jump on him but why not see how the next few games go?
...we have no choice but to give Magath more time than he did Tunnicliffe and Cole...
If Magath wants a core group of 18 to 20 to work with then including Tunnicliffe or Cole would have meant leaving out maybe Kasami or Kakaniklic.
It's choices and they may turn out to be bad ones but the idea of concentrating on a smaller group of players and drilling them into a system makes sense to me.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on February 25, 2014, 02:58:47 PM
If Magath wants a core group of 18 to 20 to work with then including Tunnicliffe or Cole would have meant leaving out maybe Kasami or Kakaniklic.
It's choices and they may turn out to be bad ones but the idea of concentrating on a smaller group of players and drilling them into a system makes sense to me.
Oh come on I'm sure he could have fit one or two extra players into training. Those numbers aren't even sensible- what if we get a couple of injuries? Surely we'll want to replace them with players he and the rest of the team are familiar with from training?
Quote from: TonyGilroy on February 25, 2014, 02:34:11 PM
And if the young players muck it up it'll be "why did you ditch the experienced players?"
Magath has picked those players he thinks he can most rely on and the difference hopefully will be the way he sets the team up.
Any of us may think we know better and Magath may well fail to improve things but it's just possible that he knows what he's doing. If he doesn't we can be quick to jump on him but why not see how the next few games go?
The flaw is this logic is that we've already had 2 seasons of utter dross from some of the experienced lot. Playing the youth would only assert the view that all the players are dross. At least they all would have been given a crack of the whip.
Looks like Magath is in a no-win situation then... Damned by some if he does, damned by the rest if he doesn't...
I would like to think that he does know a little more about selections, tactics, etc. than me and on that basis I will let him get on with it :dft011:
I just do not understand people getting upset at a manager hired to escape relegation who is playing players he thinks are up for the fight...
did anyone actually see anything from Tunnicliffe that made you think he should be playing over Dejagah or anyone in the central midfield? I thought the kid was just a body with no ability to pick a pass.... there is a reason Manure let him leave at such a young age... Cole is a bit more intriguing to me because of his ability to get around players out wide... Ryan does not have that ability and while he may turn into something serviceable... he was not going to save this team this season...
people get such a hard on for young players... is it because you think they are going to be the next superstar? At Fulham... they usually are not... we don't and can't buy those sort players... Cole and Tunnicliffe may end up being future contributors but the chances of either being well above average prem players is unlikely... heck look at Kaca... he is better than both IMHO and he struggles and disappears in matches all the time.
Quote from: mccscratch on February 25, 2014, 04:05:37 PM
I just do not understand people getting upset at a manager hired to escape relegation who is playing players he thinks are up for the fight...
did anyone actually see anything from Tunnicliffe that made you think he should be playing over Dejagah or anyone in the central midfield? I thought the kid was just a body with no ability to pick a pass.... there is a reason Manure let him leave at such a young age... Cole is a bit more intriguing to me because of his ability to get around players out wide... Ryan does not have that ability and while he may turn into something serviceable... he was not going to save this team this season...
people get such a hard on for young players... is it because you think they are going to be the next superstar? At Fulham... they usually are not... we don't and can't buy those sort players... Cole and Tunnicliffe may end up being future contributors but the chances of either being well above average prem players is unlikely... heck look at Kaca... he is better than both IMHO and he struggles and disappears in matches all the time.
You don't understand because you're just assuming we all agree with your opinion on Tunicliffe. Some of us DO think they've seen something in him that makes him worth playing over the likes of Parker. Some of us DO think he has plenty of ability. Some of us DO think he played well in the games he played.
No one's saying he's the next superstar. We're just peeved because he hasn't had a fair chance. We don't see why Magath is getting rid of the lad after only one week when our other central midfield options have proven how poor they are time and time again. Surely he's at least shown enough that he's worth keeping around? If we need to get rid lets get rid of the has beens that have shown their lack of quality, effort and fight over and over again for the last two seasons. For the record I include Kaca in that- he has been woeful.
Quote from: Burt on February 25, 2014, 04:02:41 PM
Looks like Magath is in a no-win situation then... Damned by some if he does, damned by the rest if he doesn't...
I would like to think that he does know a little more about selections, tactics, etc. than me and on that basis I will let him get on with it :dft011:
No quarms with that. Not many have a CV like him and would manage Fulham.
I still stick by it though. Trusting experience and ignoring youth is a previously failed strategy. Lets hope he doesn't stick to this strategy. As Mr Gale says, its still early days.
As for mccscratch comments - Do you think its wise to stick with Parker and Brede over the likes of Burn and Kvist based on what we've seen against decent opposition and there recent form?
I think we (probably me) took this tread away from Tunnicliffe and made it more about youth, avg aged teams and the old guard. I'm not saying these guys are superstars but I consider myself perceptive enough to come to the conclusion that Burn should start and the only reason he isn't is because of his age. If Burns getting dropped after his recent displays, the youth have no hope in the current setup which is a shame.
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Quote from: mccscratch on February 25, 2014, 04:05:37 PM
I just do not understand people getting upset at a manager hired to escape relegation who is playing players he thinks are up for the fight...
did anyone actually see anything from Tunnicliffe that made you think he should be playing over Dejagah or anyone in the central midfield? I thought the kid was just a body with no ability to pick a pass.... there is a reason Manure let him leave at such a young age... Cole is a bit more intriguing to me because of his ability to get around players out wide... Ryan does not have that ability and while he may turn into something serviceable... he was not going to save this team this season...
people get such a hard on for young players... is it because you think they are going to be the next superstar? At Fulham... they usually are not... we don't and can't buy those sort players... Cole and Tunnicliffe may end up being future contributors but the chances of either being well above average prem players is unlikely... heck look at Kaca... he is better than both IMHO and he struggles and disappears in matches all the time.
You don't understand because you're just assuming we all agree with your opinion on Tunicliffe. Some of us DO think they've seen something in him that makes him worth playing over the likes of Parker. Some of us DO think he has plenty of ability. Some of us DO think he played well in the games he played.
No one's saying he's the next superstar. We're just peeved because he hasn't had a fair chance. We don't see why Magath is getting rid of the lad after only one week when our other central midfield options have proven how poor they are time and time again. Surely he's at least shown enough that he's worth keeping around? If we need to get rid lets get rid of the has beens that have shown their lack of quality, effort and fight over and over again for the last two seasons. For the record I include Kaca in that- he has been woeful.
Tunnicliffe passed the ball 7 times vs Manure with 3 being intercepted... made 2 tackles and lost the ball on 4 occasions when played to him..
Got a feeling that the slip against Liverpool that gifted the ball to Gerrard would not have gone unnoticed by Felix. Led directly to their equaliser and made him look like an over enthusiastic Sunday League player not able to stay on his feet.
Who knows what he has shown in training ?
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2014/february/25/tunnicliffe-heads-for-latics (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2014/february/25/tunnicliffe-heads-for-latics)
He's off.
I think we are missing the point here. We bought two players. A few weeks later we send them off on loan. To me that is a monumental waste of money. If they were no better than what we have and we have a pretty good reserve/youth set up. Why did we spend money on them. If our MD is in charge of transfers and sackings. Why spend money on players we clearly didn't need.
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 25, 2014, 06:11:35 PM
I think we are missing the point here. We bought two players. A few weeks later we send them off on loan. To me that is a monumental waste of money. If they were no better than what we have and we have a pretty good reserve/youth set up. Why did we spend money on them. If our MD is in charge of transfers and sackings. Why spend money on players we clearly didn't need.
Buying youngish players and sending them on loan for experience and to get them to first team standard is extremely standard practice.
Quote from: FFCByTheRiver on February 25, 2014, 06:22:18 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 25, 2014, 06:11:35 PM
I think we are missing the point here. We bought two players. A few weeks later we send them off on loan. To me that is a monumental waste of money. If they were no better than what we have and we have a pretty good reserve/youth set up. Why did we spend money on them. If our MD is in charge of transfers and sackings. Why spend money on players we clearly didn't need.
Buying youngish players and sending them on loan for experience and to get them to first team standard is extremely standard practice.
Not when the money spent could have gone towards a left back with more ability that could slot in now...
Look we simply have too many players in that position.
Tunnicliffe is clearly a talented player with a good pedigree and a long career in front of him.
But right now he is furthest down the list of players in centre midfield.
Magath only wants a certain amount of players vying for a position and unfortunately for Tunnicliffe he's a new boy with little Premier League experience.
Also he is on much lower wages to the rest.
I personally think he has more to give than Boateng and even Karagounis but there you go.
If worst comes to worst and we go down - he will be a very useful player to have next season.
Quote from: mccscratch on February 25, 2014, 06:28:09 PM
Quote from: FFCByTheRiver on February 25, 2014, 06:22:18 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 25, 2014, 06:11:35 PM
I think we are missing the point here. We bought two players. A few weeks later we send them off on loan. To me that is a monumental waste of money. If they were no better than what we have and we have a pretty good reserve/youth set up. Why did we spend money on them. If our MD is in charge of transfers and sackings. Why spend money on players we clearly didn't need.
Buying youngish players and sending them on loan for experience and to get them to first team standard is extremely standard practice.
Not when the money spent could have gone towards a left back with more ability that could slot in now...
I confess I'm disappointed we haven't remedied our obvious left back deficiency. But I don't think we have a shortage of money - the reason for Riise being our starting LB evades me.
We tried to get a LB - but it fell through.
It's hard to get players in the Jan window, especially for Fulham, but we actually did well.
Hangeland, Riise, Duff, Parker, Richardson, Karagounis, Rodellega. What do they have left in their legs or hearts? What a snub for the younger players. They must feel Fulham have no trust in them. We are failing today and screwing up our tomorrows.
Quote from: Fulhampete on February 25, 2014, 07:32:00 PM
Hangeland, Riise, Duff, Parker, Richardson, Karagounis, Rodellega. What do they have left in their legs or hearts? What a snub for the younger players. They must feel Fulham have no trust in them. We are failing today and screwing up our tomorrows.
I can't believe you've questioned the heart of any of those. Except maybe Riise.
Edit: And you questioned Richardson's legs!!?!? You haven't been watching Fulham recently.
Hangeland - If it is not his heart or legs what is it?
Riise - you don't even argue with this
Duff - One of my favourite players, along with McBride. Both past it though.
Parker - Still tries but not the commitment he is known for.
Richardson - may still have the legs but what else?
Kara - Would never question his heart but how old?
Rodders - I was actually pleased when we got him but he has struggled
These players are the nucleus of the team that has failed all season. They offer us no future. Pity some people need all the i's to be dotted and t's crossed.
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 25, 2014, 06:11:35 PM
I think we are missing the point here. We bought two players. A few weeks later we send them off on loan. To me that is a monumental waste of money. If they were no better than what we have and we have a pretty good reserve/youth set up. Why did we spend money on them. If our MD is in charge of transfers and sackings. Why spend money on players we clearly didn't need.
I agree on the waste. When we were stacked at RW, buying Cole was mental. Must have been attempts to briefly empower Rene ahead of the big games.
Tunnicliffe was a worker, be actually didn't show much ability.
Quote from: itombomb on February 25, 2014, 11:56:00 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 25, 2014, 06:11:35 PM
I think we are missing the point here. We bought two players. A few weeks later we send them off on loan. To me that is a monumental waste of money. If they were no better than what we have and we have a pretty good reserve/youth set up. Why did we spend money on them. If our MD is in charge of transfers and sackings. Why spend money on players we clearly didn't need.
I agree on the waste. When we were stacked at RW, buying Cole was mental. Must have been attempts to briefly empower Rene ahead of the big games.
Tunnicliffe was a worker, be actually didn't show much ability.
got a shot on goal // hardly ever see anyone doing that for Fulham these days
I have two questions :
1 If Tunnicliffe was soooooooooooooooo special, why did United let him go so casually ???
2 Don't you think Felix asked the same question ????
PS It may have been more of the same : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2222928/Manchester-United-youngster-Ryan-Tunnicliffe-banned-18-MONTHS-drink-driving.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2222928/Manchester-United-youngster-Ryan-Tunnicliffe-banned-18-MONTHS-drink-driving.html)
Quote from: Fulhampete on February 25, 2014, 07:51:22 PM
Hangeland - If it is not his heart or legs what is it?
Riise - you don't even argue with this
Duff - One of my favourite players, along with McBride. Both past it though.
Parker - Still tries but not the commitment he is known for.
Richardson - may still have the legs but what else?
Kara - Would never question his heart but how old?
Rodders - I was actually pleased when we got him but he has struggled
These players are the nucleus of the team that has failed all season. They offer us no future. Pity some people need all the i's to be dotted and t's crossed.
You argued against your own opinion with Karagounis and Richardson
If we stay up i think only Richardson might stay out of the players you mention. And its a maybe. The rest will leave i think..
The point made about buying a left back with the money we paid for Tunnicliffe is a good point but it was unfortunate with Taylor. But Tunnicliffe going out on loan is ok if Magath really thinks he is unlikely to feature now. He continues to get first team action and he is more likely to be ready for us next season whichever division we end up in..
Tunnicliffe is a good young player getting him games at Wigan is a good decision
One of the most ridiculous things I've read on this forum is that we should condemn a player because he slipped after the ball was played well behind him and he tried to navigate in poor conditions and slipped. This subjects him to a sunday league player.
Deary me.
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 25, 2014, 06:11:35 PM
I think we are missing the point here. We bought two players. A few weeks later we send them off on loan. To me that is a monumental waste of money. If they were no better than what we have and we have a pretty good reserve/youth set up. Why did we spend money on them. If our MD is in charge of transfers and sackings. Why spend money on players we clearly didn't need.
How? I think you are thinking too short term. They were two of man utd's most promising youth players. Tunnicliffe has already proven he can play in the championship. If they reach their potential and stay at our club it would've been a very wise move to be able to get them at all. In many regards you could say we were lucky as we acted so fast and tied both down to long term contracts. Obviously under rene he had more immediate plans but it shows that we care about them and their development that we have got them out on loan so quickly after the change of manager. For all we know it could have been the most well intentioned move by magath and magath could have been very happy with their potential but couldn't risk them in the league and didn't want to risk them in the reserves/U21's. we have all seen first hand how important and how much more a player develops when out on loan, see Burn, Trotta etc. it's a testament to our youth that teams want them. Need to look at things in a more detached manner.
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tunnicliffe-hungry-to-succeed-after-felix-magath-lets-him-go-9154411.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tunnicliffe-hungry-to-succeed-after-felix-magath-lets-him-go-9154411.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Gone on loan with a view to a permanent move in the summer - seems like an absolutely bizarre situation, what a shambles.
Quote from: Brede Butter Pudding on February 26, 2014, 04:05:06 PM
Gone on loan with a view to a permanent move in the summer - seems like an absolutely bizarre situation, what a shambles.
Unless either ourselves or Wigan are saying it's 'with a view to a permanent move', it may not be.
If the worst happens and we do go down, players of Tunnicliffe's ability are probably as decent as most we will be able to attract. In such a circumstance, letting him leave would seem bizarre.
He may still be here if we stay up, of course. Equally, however, I wouldn't be surprised to see him move to a Championship Club in the summer.
Quote from: General on February 26, 2014, 03:50:17 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 25, 2014, 06:11:35 PM
I think we are missing the point here. We bought two players. A few weeks later we send them off on loan. To me that is a monumental waste of money. If they were no better than what we have and we have a pretty good reserve/youth set up. Why did we spend money on them. If our MD is in charge of transfers and sackings. Why spend money on players we clearly didn't need.
How? I think you are thinking too short term. They were two of man utd's most promising youth players. Tunnicliffe has already proven he can play in the championship. If they reach their potential and stay at our club it would've been a very wise move to be able to get them at all. In many regards you could say we were lucky as we acted so fast and tied both down to long term contracts. Obviously under rene he had more immediate plans but it shows that we care about them and their development that we have got them out on loan so quickly after the change of manager. For all we know it could have been the most well intentioned move by magath and magath could have been very happy with their potential but couldn't risk them in the league and didn't want to risk them in the reserves/U21's. we have all seen first hand how important and how much more a player develops when out on loan, see Burn, Trotta etc. it's a testament to our youth that teams want them. Need to look at things in a more detached manner.
If Felix is still in charge, they'll both be gone during the summer. They have each played their last match for Fulham
Quote from: HatterDon on February 26, 2014, 09:22:37 PM
Quote from: General on February 26, 2014, 03:50:17 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 25, 2014, 06:11:35 PM
I think we are missing the point here. We bought two players. A few weeks later we send them off on loan. To me that is a monumental waste of money. If they were no better than what we have and we have a pretty good reserve/youth set up. Why did we spend money on them. If our MD is in charge of transfers and sackings. Why spend money on players we clearly didn't need.
How? I think you are thinking too short term. They were two of man utd's most promising youth players. Tunnicliffe has already proven he can play in the championship. If they reach their potential and stay at our club it would've been a very wise move to be able to get them at all. In many regards you could say we were lucky as we acted so fast and tied both down to long term contracts. Obviously under rene he had more immediate plans but it shows that we care about them and their development that we have got them out on loan so quickly after the change of manager. For all we know it could have been the most well intentioned move by magath and magath could have been very happy with their potential but couldn't risk them in the league and didn't want to risk them in the reserves/U21's. we have all seen first hand how important and how much more a player develops when out on loan, see Burn, Trotta etc. it's a testament to our youth that teams want them. Need to look at things in a more detached manner.
If Felix is still in charge, they'll both be gone during the summer. They have each played their last match for Fulham
I don't think you should be too certain - especially if we do get relegated.
If these two are so good why did United give them up without a whimper ???
If I was a useful Fulham Lad (...and we have quite a few) I would be really pi$$ed off with these coming in and getting an immediate chance with the 1st team.
Talking to other fans, the consensus is that Felix and his team would have had a a file on every player at the club, no stone would be left unturned, including their private lives. One pointed to the 1st press conference when the SKY sports reported asked him what he (Felix) thought of the January signing ???
Felex replied :am I expected to know ..........
The joke was clear ( from his body language) he did know. I am sure there is info that we have no knowledge of.......there may be a very good reason to farm them out.
I cannot say I got too attached to them in 23 days.............................
Hate to poor cold water on the debate but here;s article from Fulham Chronicle who are very good at reporting what goes on at the club rather than making up conspiracies as the main press & media often do.
Felix Magath has assured Ryan Tunnicliffe and Larnell Cole they have a future at Fulham.Asked whether Tunnicliffe and Cole have a future at Craven Cottage, Magath said: "Yes, sure. After the season it's a new situation."They are very talented, but now is the time we need players that are experienced and make less faults. A young player has to make faults to develop."
I mentioned him and Cole in my latest article on London24 :)
Have a read if you have time:
http://www.london24.com/sport/fulham/the_craven_corner_a_shame_tunnicliffe_and_cole_have_left_but_chelsea_can_be_the_turning_point_1_3376215 (http://www.london24.com/sport/fulham/the_craven_corner_a_shame_tunnicliffe_and_cole_have_left_but_chelsea_can_be_the_turning_point_1_3376215)
Quote from: MasterHaynes on March 01, 2014, 12:05:51 PM
Hate to poor cold water on the debate but here;s article from Fulham Chronicle who are very good at reporting what goes on at the club rather than making up conspiracies as the main press & media often do.
Felix Magath has assured Ryan Tunnicliffe and Larnell Cole they have a future at Fulham.Asked whether Tunnicliffe and Cole have a future at Craven Cottage, Magath said: "Yes, sure. After the season it's a new situation."They are very talented, but now is the time we need players that are experienced and make less faults. A young player has to make faults to develop."
Proud and slightly smug (although it was kinda obvious) that I was right and Magath sees them (and in general our youth setup) as our future and he's excited by the talent we have.
Quote from: MasterHaynes on March 01, 2014, 12:05:51 PM
Hate to poor cold water on the debate but here;s article from Fulham Chronicle who are very good at reporting what goes on at the club rather than making up conspiracies as the main press & media often do.
Felix Magath has assured Ryan Tunnicliffe and Larnell Cole they have a future at Fulham.Asked whether Tunnicliffe and Cole have a future at Craven Cottage, Magath said: "Yes, sure. After the season it's a new situation."They are very talented, but now is the time we need players that are experienced and make less faults. A young player has to make faults to develop."
Felix made it clear at the outset that this approach to the last few games is going to be different from his normal footballing philosophy - the "special situation" he referred to. If he's said that these two have a future with Fulham, then they have - if they want it.
It's a pity that his English isn't better (yet) as I would like to hear a lot more from him. In some ways, what he is saying is "shorthand" for a full explanation but I think he's straight and not out to deceive.
Most of the "big" clubs acquire loads of young talent from all over Europe. They do this to stop any other clubs getting hold of any player that might be useful. Sadly most of them are never seen again. Our acquisition of young players is different . We bring them in for our future. Letting them out on loan lets them develop better than with the U21´s or just sitting on the bench.
Quote from: Holders on March 01, 2014, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: MasterHaynes on March 01, 2014, 12:05:51 PM
Hate to poor cold water on the debate but here;s article from Fulham Chronicle who are very good at reporting what goes on at the club rather than making up conspiracies as the main press & media often do.
Felix Magath has assured Ryan Tunnicliffe and Larnell Cole they have a future at Fulham.Asked whether Tunnicliffe and Cole have a future at Craven Cottage, Magath said: "Yes, sure. After the season it's a new situation."They are very talented, but now is the time we need players that are experienced and make less faults. A young player has to make faults to develop."
Felix made it clear at the outset that this approach to the last few games is going to be different from his normal footballing philosophy - the "special situation" he referred to. If he's said that these two have a future with Fulham, then they have - if they want it.
It's a pity that his English isn't better (yet) as I would like to hear a lot more from him. In some ways, what he is saying is "shorthand" for a full explanation but I think he's straight and not out to deceive.
I genuinely don't think he would have bothered with putting them out on loan so quickly after coming in if they didn't have potential, and if he thought they had potential then he would want to keep them at the club. Tunnicliffe is already doing alright in the Championship and is only 21, it would suggest he is capable of making the step up, and with a lifetime of experience learning at Utd you'd expect both he and Tunnicliffe will know how to play the game tactically as well as in other ways.
Quote from: General on March 01, 2014, 12:47:17 PM
Quote from: Holders on March 01, 2014, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: MasterHaynes on March 01, 2014, 12:05:51 PM
Hate to poor cold water on the debate but here;s article from Fulham Chronicle who are very good at reporting what goes on at the club rather than making up conspiracies as the main press & media often do.
Felix Magath has assured Ryan Tunnicliffe and Larnell Cole they have a future at Fulham.Asked whether Tunnicliffe and Cole have a future at Craven Cottage, Magath said: "Yes, sure. After the season it's a new situation."They are very talented, but now is the time we need players that are experienced and make less faults. A young player has to make faults to develop."
Felix made it clear at the outset that this approach to the last few games is going to be different from his normal footballing philosophy - the "special situation" he referred to. If he's said that these two have a future with Fulham, then they have - if they want it.
It's a pity that his English isn't better (yet) as I would like to hear a lot more from him. In some ways, what he is saying is "shorthand" for a full explanation but I think he's straight and not out to deceive.
I genuinely don't think he would have bothered with putting them out on loan so quickly after coming in if they didn't have potential, and if he thought they had potential then he would want to keep them at the club. Tunnicliffe is already doing alright in the Championship and is only 21, it would suggest he is capable of making the step up, and with a lifetime of experience learning at Utd you'd expect both he and Tunnicliffe will know how to play the game tactically as well as in other ways.
Which is it? this does not make sense general
Quote from: epsomraver on March 01, 2014, 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: General on March 01, 2014, 12:47:17 PM
Quote from: Holders on March 01, 2014, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: MasterHaynes on March 01, 2014, 12:05:51 PM
Hate to poor cold water on the debate but here;s article from Fulham Chronicle who are very good at reporting what goes on at the club rather than making up conspiracies as the main press & media often do.
Felix Magath has assured Ryan Tunnicliffe and Larnell Cole they have a future at Fulham.Asked whether Tunnicliffe and Cole have a future at Craven Cottage, Magath said: "Yes, sure. After the season it's a new situation."They are very talented, but now is the time we need players that are experienced and make less faults. A young player has to make faults to develop."
Felix made it clear at the outset that this approach to the last few games is going to be different from his normal footballing philosophy - the "special situation" he referred to. If he's said that these two have a future with Fulham, then they have - if they want it.
It's a pity that his English isn't better (yet) as I would like to hear a lot more from him. In some ways, what he is saying is "shorthand" for a full explanation but I think he's straight and not out to deceive.
I genuinely don't think he would have bothered with putting them out on loan so quickly after coming in if they didn't have potential, and if he thought they had potential then he would want to keep them at the club. Tunnicliffe is already doing alright in the Championship and is only 21, it would suggest he is capable of making the step up, and with a lifetime of experience learning at Utd you'd expect both he and Tunnicliffe will know how to play the game tactically as well as in other ways.
Which is it? this does not make sense general
It does - you need to look at the second part as referring to the long term - use your brain - is a god given gift you have there and the possibilities of what you do are inifinite.. the fact that they are infinite and you could not understand this context - means you haven't given it much thought.. if that is the case, just imagine what would've happened had you thought about it properly.
All worlds problems would be solved if everyone could communicate honestly with one another, lived by a clear code of what is right and wrong and had no issues with saying it how it was and more importantly if everyone actually thought about things with good intentions and peaceful intentions and peace as the final outcome.
Humankind is emotionally still very naive.
You do post some old b****x at times, it doesn't make sense, first you say if he rates them he sends them out on loan and then you say if he rates them he keeps them at the club, which is it, simple question really and just requires a simple answer.
Quote from: General on March 01, 2014, 01:26:59 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on March 01, 2014, 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: General on March 01, 2014, 12:47:17 PM
Quote from: Holders on March 01, 2014, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: MasterHaynes on March 01, 2014, 12:05:51 PM
Hate to poor cold water on the debate but here;s article from Fulham Chronicle who are very good at reporting what goes on at the club rather than making up conspiracies as the main press & media often do.
Felix Magath has assured Ryan Tunnicliffe and Larnell Cole they have a future at Fulham.Asked whether Tunnicliffe and Cole have a future at Craven Cottage, Magath said: "Yes, sure. After the season it's a new situation."They are very talented, but now is the time we need players that are experienced and make less faults. A young player has to make faults to develop."
Felix made it clear at the outset that this approach to the last few games is going to be different from his normal footballing philosophy - the "special situation" he referred to. If he's said that these two have a future with Fulham, then they have - if they want it.
It's a pity that his English isn't better (yet) as I would like to hear a lot more from him. In some ways, what he is saying is "shorthand" for a full explanation but I think he's straight and not out to deceive.
I genuinely don't think he would have bothered with putting them out on loan so quickly after coming in if they didn't have potential, and if he thought they had potential then he would want to keep them at the club. Tunnicliffe is already doing alright in the Championship and is only 21, it would suggest he is capable of making the step up, and with a lifetime of experience learning at Utd you'd expect both he and Tunnicliffe will know how to play the game tactically as well as in other ways.
Which is it? this does not make sense general
It does - you need to look at the second part as referring to the long term - use your brain - is a god given gift you have there and the possibilities of what you do are inifinite.. the fact that they are infinite and you could not understand this context - means you haven't given it much thought.. if that is the case, just imagine what would've happened had you thought about it properly.
All worlds problems would be solved if everyone could communicate honestly with one another, lived by a clear code of what is right and wrong and had no issues with saying it how it was and more importantly if everyone actually thought about things with good intentions and peaceful intentions and peace as the final outcome.
Humankind is emotionally still very naive.
U wot m8?
Maybe I missed some comments by Magath, but I would be interested to know what prompted him unceremoniously to put Tunnicliffe and Cole out on loan almost as soon as he arrived at the club. Surely a new manager would want to take some time looking at the players before making such a decision? Were they that bad in their brief appearances for us? What have we gained by doing this? It remains a decision which baffles me.
I think it was a time issue - he mentioned that he is trying to stick to experienced Prem players......then sticks in Cauley against Cardiff - so that theory is out the window
This really baffled me, Cole going out on loan made sense, as he needs the experience.... but Tunnicliffe was a real blow, I read that he is out on loan with a view to a permanent deal.... This is just crazy, but highly believable.... He will be a key player for us next season if we were to go down. I hope Wigan do not get promoted as they will almost certainly snap him up.
The only way we'll ever see either of them back with Fulham is if Magath goes at the end of the season.
Here's hoping HD....
I'd imagine it was more because they're new, young players who haven't played many senior games between them. It would be more difficult and time consuming for them to get up to speed with new team mates in a new league - which would also explain his preference for the older heads.
Not that it's working, but it seems like a reasonable thought process...
Whatever his reason, he farmed out Tunnicliffe who might have helped us. When we go down, there's no way he'll ever play Tunnicliffe if he stays. If he did and the lad did well, it'd look like he made a mistake -- and no gaffer is going to risk that. The best way to see either of these kids in black and white is to can Magath the day the season ends.
Been thinking about this given his selection of Woodrow. Its only speculation but maybe as they were Rene's signings and that they are young, they reacted badly to being persuaded to come down to London and then loose the one man who knew them.
They come form a place that has had one manager all there young life till this season, then find themselves with 2 managers in the space of days at a new club.
Its easier for senior players to take all this change as they would have seen it before.
Felix didn't look at any of our previous performances so he must have shipped them out on an assumption or for non football reasons. Whichever, it smacks of poor man management.
I have strong misgivings about Mr Magath. He has not started well. His decisions have been bizarre and he has the demeanour of a BS merchant like Sanchez and Jol.
Quote from: The Old Count on March 11, 2014, 08:04:06 AM
Felix didn't look at any of our previous performances so he must have shipped them out on an assumption or for non football reasons. Whichever, it smacks of poor man management.
I have strong misgivings about Mr Magath. He has not started well. His decisions have been bizarre and he has the demeanour of a BS merchant like Sanchez and Jol.
Agreed to come out and say I didn't realise we couldn't defend at set pieces is laughable watch any 10 minute period of our season and you would see that.
The man has taken us backwards atleast rene saw we had no legs and dads army doesn't work.
With magath tactics aswell I've been looking at tony pulis family tree to see if he has any german/Puerto rican (believe that's where he's from) heritage
Just reflects the general bad decisions the men in charge at Fulham have been making for a long time now.
'I have strong misgivings about Mr Magath. He has not started well. His decisions have been bizarre and he has the demeanour of a BS merchant like Sanchez and Jol.'
Me too. Hope I am wrong. He ships out two youngsters as 'we need experience in a relegation fight' and then hands a debut to a young lad in a key relegation fixture. Illogical at best.
Also, if Magath hasn't watched any of Fulham's performances this year how many Prem matches has he watched? He seems to think that we can hoof our way out of our situation with a long ball game and lots of huff and puff. That may have been the case fifteen years ago but it ain't now.
As Southdown White says the whole situtaion is indicative of the mismanagement by the board.
If we go down, and I strongly suspect that we will, we need a clear out. Starting with Mackintosh and Magath.
Tunnicliffe hasn't started for Wigan yet and only made the bench for Wigan's last league match. He wasn't in the match day squad for the game against Manchester City. If Felix thought that he wouldn't be suited for a relegation fight I will accept his judgement.
Is he not cup tied with Ipswich?
He will be a key player for Wigan if they wish to go up.... watch this space
Quote from: Deanothefulhamfan on March 11, 2014, 12:50:23 PM
Is he not cup tied with Ipswich?
He will be a key player for Wigan if they wish to go up.... watch this space
Yes, he's cup tied. That was just a chance to slate him.
Quote from: HatterDon on March 11, 2014, 01:15:41 PM
Quote from: Deanothefulhamfan on March 11, 2014, 12:50:23 PM
Is he not cup tied with Ipswich?
He will be a key player for Wigan if they wish to go up.... watch this space
Yes, he's cup tied. That was just a chance to slate him.
all being said... he is still not very good...
Quote from: mccscratch on March 11, 2014, 01:58:21 PM
Quote from: HatterDon on March 11, 2014, 01:15:41 PM
Quote from: Deanothefulhamfan on March 11, 2014, 12:50:23 PM
Is he not cup tied with Ipswich?
He will be a key player for Wigan if they wish to go up.... watch this space
Yes, he's cup tied. That was just a chance to slate him.
all being said... he is still not very good...
He's the future of our midfield, he's full of energy and very highly-rated.
I saw him at United, and Ipswich a few times in the centre and he was what we needed. He done well here on the right too.
Felix did say that he felt experience was what was needed for this relegation fight. Perhaps he thought they won't be playing so might as well get them some experience for next year. Sad thing is, is that what was needed is talent, not old legs. I really think this "experience" thing can be overrated. A footballer shouldn't need experience to put out effort.
