If he could have stayed fit he would have been brilliant. Wish him well in Turkey.
:012:
...still think he's better then Kamara & definitely Kebano.
Find this a very strange move by us.
Shame to see him go, I saw him as good enough for this division and some.
AK seems to have that sub spot nailed on (Reid can play there too I guess) though did little when he came on the other night (and I'm a fan).
Wonder if Neeskens/Fabri will join the exodus...
PHACK!???
Did a smashing job for FFC for a while.
Good luck for the rest of your football life Floyd.
Quote from: Fernhurst on September 02, 2019, 04:27:51 PM
Did a smashing job for FFC for a while.
Good luck for the rest of your football life Floyd.
+1
Good chap - wouldn't let you down and would put a shift in
Quote from: fulhamben on September 02, 2019, 04:19:58 PM
Find this a very strange move by us.
Not really - a 30 year old player who unfortunately is frequently injured and where we have several other options. Seems a good move for both club and player
I think it is because we had so many other options. Not sure when he would have played. When he first came I thought he looked good. But seemed less effective the longer he was with us which no doubt was down to injury problems.
Sad to see him go. Wish him well in Turkey. Always one of my favourite players in the last couple of years.
It seems a bizarre decision to let him go. He was to my mind our most skilful and potent back up forward. I can understand that he may have wished to go somewhere where he could play regularly. Also that the club may have wished to reduce the number of players on the books.
I agree with Maidstone Lee that he is better than Kebano and Kamara. Perhaps no-one wanted them?
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on September 02, 2019, 04:18:44 PM
...still think he's better then Kamara & definitely Kebano.
Agree, questionable move
Real shame to see him go - skilful and intelligent, thought he works really hard both in attack and helping out the FBs in defence.
Problem is he is way too good to not even make our bench in this league, with AK seemingly getting the nod presently.
Personally, I think i'd rather have Bobby Reid (19 goals from no.9 / striker spot in this league in our promotion season) and Ayite (better winger) on the bench over AK.
Regardless, our squad is worse off without him in it. I wish him all the best as has been a quality servant of the club.
Wish him the best.
He probably asked to go.
Now maybe we can promote one of our youth wingers.
Of those who never seem to get a look in these days that leaves Fabri, Cisse, and Kebano.
Anything in the pipeline?
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 02, 2019, 04:50:07 PM
I think it is because we had so many other options. Not sure when he would have played. When he first came I thought he looked good. But seemed less effective the longer he was with us which no doubt was down to injury problems.
What many other options, haven´t seen any of them on the bench the last few games, perhaps with the exception of AK?
Nice send off by the club on the website and social media... although watching that brilliant highlight reel does make me wonder, is Knockaert really an upgrade?
Quote from: HV71 on September 02, 2019, 04:30:32 PM
Quote from: Fernhurst on September 02, 2019, 04:27:51 PM
Did a smashing job for FFC for a while.
Good luck for the rest of your football life Floyd.
+1
Good chap - wouldn't let you down and would put a shift in
Agree with that.
Quote from: Bill2 on September 02, 2019, 06:03:56 PM
Quote from: HV71 on September 02, 2019, 04:30:32 PM
Quote from: Fernhurst on September 02, 2019, 04:27:51 PM
Did a smashing job for FFC for a while.
Good luck for the rest of your football life Floyd.
+1
Good chap - wouldn't let you down and would put a shift in
Agree with that.
:plus one: Me too loved Floyd's approach never heard him moan about not playing and never let us down,
Good luck Floyd :54:
+1 good guy
Sad about this. Genuine player that always gave his all and gave us some great moments.
Ayite to Piazon, back to Ayite, rounds the keeper, walks it in!
Thank you and best of luck Floyd.
I'll always remember getting a ping on my phone on a Friday in the summer of 2016 when his signing was announced. I'd never heard of him before, but his signing marked the start of a real upturn in our fortunes, and we went from having the likes of Mark Fotheringham and Adil Chihi to him, Aluko and others that joined that summer and turned us into an attacking force that was a pleasure to watch. A player that worked hard and with a smile on his face, and who was genuinely hard not to like.
For me, the goal v Norwich away will live long in the memory (especially with GJ's epic commentary).
Best of luck Floyd, you will be missed.
Ayite served us well, always worked hard but was not now going to command a regular team place and Kamra was in front of him as the attacking impact sub.
Wish him well.
Great human being and a 100% team player and we all will miss him.good luck Floyd.
Quote from: KJS on September 02, 2019, 06:10:08 PM
Quote from: Bill2 on September 02, 2019, 06:03:56 PM
Quote from: HV71 on September 02, 2019, 04:30:32 PM
Quote from: Fernhurst on September 02, 2019, 04:27:51 PM
Did a smashing job for FFC for a while.
Good luck for the rest of your football life Floyd.
+1
Good chap - wouldn't let you down and would put a shift in
Agree with that.
:plus one: Me too loved Floyd's approach never heard him moan about not playing and never let us down,
Good luck Floyd :54:
And me all the best Floyd
Great move by the club and by Floyd. Love you Floyd! Kick ass in Turkey!
Did very well for us and I wish him every success for the future. However, I don't see it as any more of a 'mistake' than letting Sone Aluko go a couple of seasons ago.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on September 02, 2019, 09:04:45 PM
Did very well for us and I wish him every success for the future. However, I don't see it as any more of a 'mistake' than letting Sone Aluko go a couple of seasons ago.
Didn't we get something like £7m for Aluko?
Quote from: Statto on September 02, 2019, 05:10:17 PM
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on September 02, 2019, 04:18:44 PM
...still think he's better then Kamara & definitely Kebano.
Agree, questionable move
Kamara is a rare talent who might score every time he traps the ball from outside the penalty area.
All the best floyd
Floyd was our best back up wide player so I am sorry to see him go. Would have preferred that we let Kamara go as I just don't think he has the footballing ability and brain to match his pace and strength.
I wish Floyd all the best, he was a decent player for us.
Far superior footballer to Kamara. Sold the wrong forward.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 02, 2019, 10:10:27 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 02, 2019, 05:10:17 PM
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on September 02, 2019, 04:18:44 PM
...still think he's better then Kamara & definitely Kebano.
Agree, questionable move
Kamara is a rare talent who might score every time he traps the ball from outside the penalty area.
Kamara couldn't trap a bag of cement.
In League games for Fulham:
| Player | | Minutes Per Goal | | Minutes Per Assist |
| Ayite | 294 | 412 |
| Kebano | 257 | 386 |
| Kamara | 200 | 667
|
*Kamara played the most minutes in the Premier League
Thanks Floyd and good luck for the future
Quote from: MikeTheCubed on September 02, 2019, 11:25:59 PM
In League games for Fulham:
| Player | | Minutes Per Goal | | Minutes Per Assist |
| Ayite | 294 | 412 |
| Kebano | 257 | 386 |
| Kamara | 200 | 667
|
*Kamara played the most minutes in the Premier League
For me, meaningless stats. I'm not even too sure what these are supposed to show.
How many good runs when he didn't get the pass he wanted? How much good defensive work?
I liked Ayite. Sorry he wasn't appreciated by the coaching staff. Sorry to see him go.
Quote from: Whitesideup on September 03, 2019, 12:08:19 AM
Quote from: MikeTheCubed on September 02, 2019, 11:25:59 PM
In League games for Fulham:
| Player | | Minutes Per Goal | | Minutes Per Assist |
| Ayite | 294 | 412 |
| Kebano | 257 | 386 |
| Kamara | 200 | 667
|
*Kamara played the most minutes in the Premier League
For me, meaningless stats.
How many good runs when he didn't get the pass he wanted? How much good defensive work?
Sure stats can be misleading and don't tell the whole story, I wouldn't disagree that Ayite had a better off-the-ball work rate and this is probably why Slavisa preferred to select him.
Quote from: Whitesideup on September 03, 2019, 12:08:19 AM
I'm not even too sure what these are supposed to show.
The numbers show that on average Ayite has required to play a larger amount of minutes in order to score a goal when compared to both Kebano and Kamara, and a larger amount of minutes in order to provide an assist when compared to Kebano (the opposite is true with Kamara).
I dare say, the statistic that mattered most was their ages (and injuries): Kamara 24 yo, Kebano 27 yo and Ayite 30 yo.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 03, 2019, 04:02:26 AM
I dare say, the statistic that mattered most was their ages (and injuries): Kamara 24 yo, Kebano 27 yo and Ayite 30 yo.
age and time injured was the reason TK let him go .
Good player but often a sick note and probably doesn't want to play out the end of his career playing second or third fiddle on the bench.
Also probably the worst finisher of our wingers in recent years after Aluko. He could have had so many goals than he had the shooting boots of Piazon or Sess. But you have to give him credit for getting into good areas.
Share the sentiment re Kamara. We sold the wrong guy. Can only think it's a football decision based on injuries and not talent/performance
Quote from: Tabby on September 03, 2019, 09:32:01 AM
Also probably the worst finisher of our wingers in recent years after Aluko.
Not just a better finisher than Aluko but also a better finisher than Kebano, Kamara and Ojo. So basically all the wingers we had in the Jokanovic Championship era except Sessegnon. IMO the best finishers we had in that era were Mitrovic, Sessegnon, Cairney, Ayite and (hate to admit it) Martin. No one outside those five would have scored the Villa half-way-line goal.
A pleasure to watch. One of those wide players who find the right balance between the attacking and defensive parts of the job.
One finish absolutely sticks in my mind. When the ball broke to him at home to Aston Villa on the halfway line following a Villa mix up and with their goalkeeper stranded out of position. Very very easy to miss, but he didn't. John Terry's face as the ball sailed past him was priceless. Thanks Floyd.
Did we get any money for him ? Also did we get any loan fees for the players out on loan?
Quote from: Statto on September 03, 2019, 10:12:15 AM
Quote from: Tabby on September 03, 2019, 09:32:01 AM
Also probably the worst finisher of our wingers in recent years after Aluko.
Not just a better finisher than Aluko but also a better finisher than Kebano, Kamara and Ojo. So basically all the wingers we had in the Jokanovic Championship era except Sessegnon. IMO the best finishers we had in that era were Mitrovic, Sessegnon, Cairney, Ayite and (hate to admit it) Martin. No one outside those five would have scored the Villa half-way-line goal.
You should go back and watch the promotion season. He got the Villa half-way-line goal but he also missed a lot of clear cut chances. There is a reason he only scored 4 goals all season.
Ojo was similarly bad at least, but Kebano and Kamara have more of an eye for goal imo. Ayite is probably the best overall player out of those three though.
Quote from: bencher on September 02, 2019, 06:39:34 PM
I'll always remember getting a ping on my phone on a Friday in the summer of 2016 when his signing was announced. I'd never heard of him before, but his signing marked the start of a real upturn in our fortunes, and we went from having the likes of Mark Fotheringham and Adil Chihi to him, Aluko and others that joined that summer and turned us into an attacking force that was a pleasure to watch. A player that worked hard and with a smile on his face, and who was genuinely hard not to like.
For me, the goal v Norwich away will live long in the memory (especially with GJ's epic commentary).
Best of luck Floyd, you will be missed.
Fotheringhan and Chihi. Those were the days.... nobody ever wants to see again. Good luck Floyd. Always had a soft spot for him. Maybe it's because our cat is named Floyd. Maybe it's because he was a good honest contributor.
Extra space available in Physio room now.
Correct choice to get rid now > not going to get too many chances, frequently injured and now off the wage bill - hopefully with a small fee
Quote from: Tabby on September 03, 2019, 12:38:08 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 03, 2019, 10:12:15 AM
Quote from: Tabby on September 03, 2019, 09:32:01 AM
Also probably the worst finisher of our wingers in recent years after Aluko.
Not just a better finisher than Aluko but also a better finisher than Kebano, Kamara and Ojo. So basically all the wingers we had in the Jokanovic Championship era except Sessegnon. IMO the best finishers we had in that era were Mitrovic, Sessegnon, Cairney, Ayite and (hate to admit it) Martin. No one outside those five would have scored the Villa half-way-line goal.
You should go back and watch the promotion season. He got the Villa half-way-line goal but he also missed a lot of clear cut chances. There is a reason he only scored 4 goals all season.
Ojo was similarly bad at least, but Kebano and Kamara have more of an eye for goal imo. Ayite is probably the best overall player out of those three though.
But surely there is also a reason that Joka chose him to play in 29 games. Your implicit criticism of him seems harsh to me.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on September 03, 2019, 03:18:23 PM
Quote from: Tabby on September 03, 2019, 12:38:08 PM
You should go back and watch the promotion season. He got the Villa half-way-line goal but he also missed a lot of clear cut chances. There is a reason he only scored 4 goals all season.
Ojo was similarly bad at least, but Kebano and Kamara have more of an eye for goal imo. Ayite is probably the best overall player out of those three though.
But surely there is also a reason that Joka chose him to play in 29 games. Your implicit criticism of him seems harsh to me.
I don't see why you'd see it as harsh criticism. Aluko was brilliant for the season he was here and he couldn't finish a sandwich.
Just checked Genclerberligis squad and Floyds teammates. He's moved on to play alongside his third Sessegnon. Stephane plays for genclerberligi
I appreciate SP is trying to stamp his team's hall mark upon the squad but, if he agreed to let Ayite go, then that, IMHO, is a mistake.
Really good player with bags of often unappreciated talent who I wish all the very best to.
Quote from: toshes mate on September 04, 2019, 10:31:59 AM
I appreciate SP is trying to stamp his team's hall mark upon the squad but, if he agreed to let Ayite go, then that, IMHO, is a mistake.
Really good player with bags of often unappreciated talent who I wish all the very best to.
:plus one:
This sums it up really. Although we do not know how much Floyd was pushing for a move (due to seemingly not being very high on the priority list), so even if SP would have wanted to keep him everyone may have agreed in the end that this was the best solution.
He was obviously a nice lad and I loved him for that and his attitude but IMO he was not good enough. he had his moments but not good enough often enough and I could not see him fitting-in in the long term.
I don't think it's a mistake given who we have, but I am sorry to see him leave.
Quote from: snarks on September 04, 2019, 12:55:35 PM
I don't think it's a mistake given who we have, but I am sorry to see him leave.
think most of us are.
Quote from: MikeTheCubed on September 03, 2019, 12:36:02 AM
Quote from: Whitesideup on September 03, 2019, 12:08:19 AM
Quote from: MikeTheCubed on September 02, 2019, 11:25:59 PM
In League games for Fulham:
| Player | | Minutes Per Goal | | Minutes Per Assist |
| Ayite | 294 | 412 |
| Kebano | 257 | 386 |
| Kamara | 200 | 667
|
*Kamara played the most minutes in the Premier League
For me, meaningless stats.
How many good runs when he didn't get the pass he wanted? How much good defensive work?
Sure stats can be misleading and don't tell the whole story, I wouldn't disagree that Ayite had a better off-the-ball work rate and this is probably why Slavisa preferred to select him.
Quote from: Whitesideup on September 03, 2019, 12:08:19 AM
I'm not even too sure what these are supposed to show.
The numbers show that on average Ayite has required to play a larger amount of minutes in order to score a goal when compared to both Kebano and Kamara, and a larger amount of minutes in order to provide an assist when compared to Kebano (the opposite is true with Kamara).
Can't let this go without a reasoned reply. Yes, of course, but your explanation is just stating the obvious. My point is that stats often don't reflect the whole picture. That's enough.
Quote from: Whitesideup on September 04, 2019, 10:30:16 PM
Quote from: MikeTheCubed on September 03, 2019, 12:36:02 AM
Quote from: Whitesideup on September 03, 2019, 12:08:19 AM
Quote from: MikeTheCubed on September 02, 2019, 11:25:59 PM
In League games for Fulham:
| Player | | Minutes Per Goal | | Minutes Per Assist |
| Ayite | 294 | 412 |
| Kebano | 257 | 386 |
| Kamara | 200 | 667
|
*Kamara played the most minutes in the Premier League
For me, meaningless stats.
How many good runs when he didn't get the pass he wanted? How much good defensive work?
Sure stats can be misleading and don't tell the whole story, I wouldn't disagree that Ayite had a better off-the-ball work rate and this is probably why Slavisa preferred to select him.
Quote from: Whitesideup on September 03, 2019, 12:08:19 AM
I'm not even too sure what these are supposed to show.
The numbers show that on average Ayite has required to play a larger amount of minutes in order to score a goal when compared to both Kebano and Kamara, and a larger amount of minutes in order to provide an assist when compared to Kebano (the opposite is true with Kamara).
Can't let this go without a reasoned reply. Yes, of course, but your explanation is just stating the obvious. My point is that stats often don't reflect the whole picture. That's enough.
Agreed. Using the same analysis, I suspect Pavel Pogrebnyak is one of best strikers we've ever had.
Quote from: Whitesideup on September 04, 2019, 10:30:16 PM
Can't let this go without a reasoned reply. Yes, of course, but your explanation is just stating the obvious. My point is that stats often don't reflect the whole picture. That's enough.
I should point out that my previous post already asserted acknowledgement that stats don't tell the whole story.
Quote from: Statto on September 04, 2019, 10:38:26 PM
Using the same analysis, I suspect Pavel Pogrebnyak is one of best strikers we've ever had.
The difference between using stats for Ayite and Pogrebnyak is that Ayite played over 4,000 league minutes for Fulham whereas Pogrebnyak played just 949. You therefore get a must better reflection of Ayite's ability from his stats as it's derived from a much larger sample of time. If Pogrebnyak played over 4,000 minutes for us in the Premiership I'm sure his stats would instead be relatively unremarkable.
Furthermore the comparison between Ayite / Kamara / Kebano involves respective spells at the club which have largely overlapped with each other, it's therefore quite a straight-forward comparison.
There is much current debate, scientific and expert analysis about common abuses of data in statistical analysis especially since even the best computer modelling and programming cannot yield meaningful output without the very best, consistent and reliable material being used. The whole concept of probability studies is being questioned because data and algorithms designed for one use (and one use alone) are often being misinterpreted and used inappropriately.
There are examples of abuse cited across the entire range of human professions and occupations. The entire field of communications is now being filled to the brim with built in biases from these abuses which were intended to help us and are now serving to hinder us and, in many cases, box us into corners. Computers cannot lie unless the programmer or modeller is either a poor technician or a fraud to start with. Data cannot lie unless it was set up to be biased from the moment it was collected or it was never telling the truth from the outset i.e. it was garbage or trash from the start. If the program or model isn't fit for the purpose intended then no matter what quality data you pass through it the output will be garbage or trash.
Just as an example the mind of an average five year old couldn't be simulated or emulated by all the computer power we have in the world today, and until we solve some big scientific puzzles our computers are not going to become more powerful in the computational sense any time soon.
All stats should come with a big health warning because they can be lethal.
My daughter was a team mascot for a match last season and while she said the whole squad were really nice and made a gua of her, she singled out Floyd as being particularly nice to her, and we have a lovely photo of the two of them together.
Very best wishes Floyd.
I always prefered you wide left,but you were a good club man and did your best wherever.
Injuries permitting you should grace the turkish league.
