Possibly the single biggest mistake in our entire history was jol signing Parker. It has haunted us for years. Terrible player for us, terrible coach for us and a terrible manger for us. Surely everyone with a brain can now see this Jonah has to go
We look like a decent team that needs another quality forward and a couple more weeks getting to know each other. Those things are on TK, not Parker.
Quote from: fulhamben on October 24, 2020, 04:27:53 PM
Possibly the single biggest mistake in our entire history was jol signing Parker. It has haunted us for years. Terrible player for us, terrible coach for us and a terrible manger for us. Surely everyone with a brain can now see this Jonah has to go
Whilst i agree he was a mistake to bring as manager and is looking way out of his depth at this level. Indeed at times last year the team was dire to watch even if we did scrape results and he shouldn't have been appointed in the first place anyhow. But the problem is, who would we get in to replace him?
Quote from: Statto on October 24, 2020, 04:29:46 PM
We look like a decent team that needs another quality forward and a couple more weeks getting to know each other. Those things are on TK, not Parker.
We certainly need a competent EPL striker.
Quote from: fulhamben on October 24, 2020, 04:27:53 PM
Possibly the single biggest mistake in our entire history was jol signing Parker. It has haunted us for years. Terrible player for us, terrible coach for us and a terrible manger for us. Surely everyone with a brain can now see this Jonah has to go
Parker will surely not see the January window if this keeps up.
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Quote from: HobGoblin on October 24, 2020, 04:31:00 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on October 24, 2020, 04:27:53 PM
Possibly the single biggest mistake in our entire history was jol signing Parker. It has haunted us for years. Terrible player for us, terrible coach for us and a terrible manger for us. Surely everyone with a brain can now see this Jonah has to go
Whilst i agree he was a mistake to bring as manager and is looking way out of his depth at this level. Indeed at times last year the team was dire to watch even if we did scrape results and he shouldn't have been appointed in the first place anyhow. But the problem is, who would we get in to replace him?
how is that a problem, thousands of managers out there. We can't keep a crap manger through fear of who we might replace him with. We need another 11 points to avoid being the worst team ever assembled. We won't get those points under Parker.
He's still not learned that Parkerball is ineffective and makes us so easy to defend against, and clearly can't coach basic defending either. Doesn't help that Mitro currently looks like a league 2 player though
Quote from: Deeping_white on October 24, 2020, 04:35:25 PM
He's still not learned that Parkerball is ineffective and makes us so easy to defend against, and clearly can't coach basic defending either. Doesn't help that Mitro currently looks like a league 2 player though
I'd take David Healy over this Mitro. He doesn't look that interested today.
1 point, 4-14 GD.
#parkerout
We might do well in a walking football league as that's what most of our team do in and out of possession
Quote from: Statto on October 24, 2020, 04:29:46 PM
We look like a decent team that needs another quality forward and a couple more weeks getting to know each other. Those things are on TK, not Parker.
I agree. We just need to ignore the headhunting cannibals who want to sack something every other week.
Funny how the DOF isn't to blame. The American football team he's involved with is a laughing stock from what I can see. There must be some common thread?
Give it a rest Ben. Its bad enough getting beat without your constant moaning at Parker.Dont know what it is you have against him but hes presently manager of the club having just us promoted . He may get the sack soon enough but you are the one not seeing what is going on, sack Parker and we really do become a circus.
Quote from: colinwhite on October 24, 2020, 04:48:27 PM
Give it a rest Ben. Its bad enough getting beat without your constant moaning at Parker.Dont know what it is you have against him but hes presently manager of the club having just us promoted . He may get the sack soon enough but you are the one not seeing what is going on, sack Parker and we really do become a circus.
are you insane, we are already a circus. Paddy power knew after 3 games that Parker would get us relegated and paid out on it. Some people like yourself just can't see the wood from the trees
Quote from: colinwhite on October 24, 2020, 04:48:27 PM
Give it a rest Ben. Its bad enough getting beat without your constant moaning at Parker.Dont know what it is you have against him but hes presently manager of the club having just us promoted . He may get the sack soon enough but you are the one not seeing what is going on, sack Parker and we really do become a circus.
We're currently on track to get 6/7 points, is that not a circus that Parker is in charge of? His tactics are complete dross and do easy to play against
Quote from: mancwhite on October 24, 2020, 04:42:20 PM
We might do well in a walking football league as that's what most of our team do in and out of possession
Quote from: mancwhite on October 24, 2020, 04:42:20 PM
We might do well in a walking football league as that's what most of our team do in and out of possession
This. We have been playing walking football since Parker took over, can't do it at this level, you need bursts of pace.
Quote from: fulhamben on October 24, 2020, 04:50:47 PM
Quote from: colinwhite on October 24, 2020, 04:48:27 PM
Give it a rest Ben. Its bad enough getting beat without your constant moaning at Parker.Dont know what it is you have against him but hes presently manager of the club having just us promoted . He may get the sack soon enough but you are the one not seeing what is going on, sack Parker and we really do become a circus.
are you insane, we are already a circus. Paddy power knew after 3 games that Parker would get us relegated and paid out on it. Some people like yourself just can't see the wood from the trees
One step forward 2 back. We need an experienced team to steady the ship before it's too late .
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Even a couple of decent forwards cannot do much if we don't supply them.
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on October 24, 2020, 04:48:06 PM
Quote from: Statto on October 24, 2020, 04:29:46 PM
We look like a decent team that needs another quality forward and a couple more weeks getting to know each other. Those things are on TK, not Parker.
I agree. We just need to ignore the headhunting cannibals who want to sack something every other week.
well we lose pretty much every week so when do you sack a crap manager?
I dont think he will be sacked before the next international break
Quote from: junior white on October 24, 2020, 04:55:13 PM
I dont think he will be sacked before the next international break
would be stupid not to sack him tonight. Why keep him on longer.wveryman and his dog knows he just isn't good enough.
TBF - this was mission impossible. Third team up, lockdown ...
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on October 24, 2020, 04:48:06 PM
Quote from: Statto on October 24, 2020, 04:29:46 PM
We look like a decent team that needs another quality forward and a couple more weeks getting to know each other. Those things are on TK, not Parker.
I agree. We just need to ignore the headhunting cannibals who want to sack something every other week.
Good luck ignoring that unless you avoid this site for a while. I suggest that maybe Wednesday things have calmed down to a semi reasonable level.
The gap between the Championship and the Premier League is vast and increasing every year.
The first year, and arguably the second for most promoted clubs, is about one thing - survival against superior teams, with superior players. It is impossible to survive without being super defensively focused out of possession and without pace on the counter.
That is why we will never survive with our current modus operandi.
Change the manager if you want but the lack of knowledge about what is required is far far higher than that.
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Quote from: fulhamben on October 24, 2020, 04:56:39 PM
Quote from: junior white on October 24, 2020, 04:55:13 PM
I dont think he will be sacked before the next international break
would be stupid not to sack him tonight. Why keep him on longer.wveryman and his dog knows he just isn't good enough.
Just because you keep repeating this, it doesn't mean that everyone agrees with you.
I think like last season, he is learning and needs to be given time. We must have a little faith, he deserves that after coming good last season.
He is not getting sacked before January. Andersen hasn't even played yet.
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Quote from: Sting of the North on October 24, 2020, 04:59:30 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on October 24, 2020, 04:56:39 PM
Quote from: junior white on October 24, 2020, 04:55:13 PM
I dont think he will be sacked before the next international break
would be stupid not to sack him tonight. Why keep him on longer.wveryman and his dog knows he just isn't good enough.
Just because you keep repeating this, it doesn't mean that everyone agrees with you.
league table doesn't lie. What's going to happen when we play an actual good team.
Any manager we appoint will just be the next scapegoat to cover up the mistakes of our incompetent DoF. We might as well give Parker a couple more months. Without a leader at the back and an alternative to Mitro we'll be relegated anyway. We will probably need to play like a mid-table team for the rest of the season to survive now and that's just not gonna happen. If we appoint a new manager now he will be gone before the start of next season. We might as well wait 4-5 months and find a manager who might still be here for next season in the Championship.
Quote from: NJFulham on October 24, 2020, 05:01:15 PM
He is not getting sacked before January. Andersen hasn't even played yet.
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why would you wait till then. We will be so far adrift that it would be pointless sacking him.
For what it is worth I agree with you Fulhamben, so sad watching us knowing that we are going to keep on losing. Maybe give Parker 2 more games and then when we are still on 1 point even the most fanatical Parker supporters might change their tune. This season is over, it was before it began really!
Quote from: Luka on October 24, 2020, 04:31:28 PM
Quote from: Statto on October 24, 2020, 04:29:46 PM
We look like a decent team that needs another quality forward and a couple more weeks getting to know each other. Those things are on TK, not Parker.
We certainly need a competent EPL striker.
100% that was a huge mistake
Quote from: Deeping_white on October 24, 2020, 04:35:25 PM
He's still not learned that Parkerball is ineffective and makes us so easy to defend against, and clearly can't coach basic defending either. Doesn't help that Mitro currently looks like a league 2 player though
Always going to be tough and you just can't afford to miss gilt-edged chances. But that was another poor day for Mitro. Once on the break he not only looked slow, but the ball to Lookman was just not good enough. Lookman had to check his run to wait for the ball and a good opportunity never materialized. For me that was the tale .. we just weren't good enough in either of the thirds of the pitch that are the ones that really matter.
Quote from: fulhamben on October 24, 2020, 05:01:44 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on October 24, 2020, 04:59:30 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on October 24, 2020, 04:56:39 PM
Quote from: junior white on October 24, 2020, 04:55:13 PM
I dont think he will be sacked before the next international break
would be stupid not to sack him tonight. Why keep him on longer.wveryman and his dog knows he just isn't good enough.
Just because you keep repeating this, it doesn't mean that everyone agrees with you.
league table doesn't lie. What's going to happen when we play an actual good team.
If the league table doesn't lie, we have already played good teams. But anything for a good moan I guess, but maybe you could accept that not everyone agrees with you.
BIG SAM WHERE ARE YOU BOI???
Quote from: Mr K.Dilkington on October 24, 2020, 05:05:28 PM
BIG SAM WHERE ARE YOU BOI???
Get him in. People don't like him but he'll keep us up
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If Zaha had been in our attack today the result would have been different, can't blame Parker for that.
Quote from: fulhamben on October 24, 2020, 04:50:47 PM
Quote from: colinwhite on October 24, 2020, 04:48:27 PM
Give it a rest Ben. Its bad enough getting beat without your constant moaning at Parker.Dont know what it is you have against him but hes presently manager of the club having just us promoted . He may get the sack soon enough but you are the one not seeing what is going on, sack Parker and we really do become a circus.
are you insane, we are already a circus. Paddy power knew after 3 games that Parker would get us relegated and paid out on it. Some people like yourself just can't see the wood from the trees
I seem to remeber you saying after our away defeat at Brentford that we had no chance of finishing above them ! Its not a question of being faithful with Parker but he still has the players behind him even if you gave up on him before he even got the job.Now that was insane.
Quote from: keithh on October 24, 2020, 04:54:24 PM
Even a couple of decent forwards cannot do much if we don't supply them.
You missed out the important words ......... quickly enough.
As Sting does state we have played some good teams already, 3 of them in the top 5 and 5 of them in the top 8, no need to worry really, only got Man City, Liverpool, Everton, Chelsea, Spurs and Man Utd still to play, why worry be happy!
Quote from: Robbie on October 24, 2020, 04:58:36 PM
TBF - this was mission impossible. Third team up, lockdown ...
Leeds managed to bring in a top international CB and a top international striker in roughly the same timeframe and had them in early enough to get bedded in before a ball was kicked.
Let's not make excuses. Let's examine the issue.
Quote from: Inmyday75 on October 24, 2020, 04:59:23 PM
The gap between the Championship and the Premier League is vast and increasing every year.
The first year, and arguably the second for most promoted clubs, is about one thing - survival against superior teams, with superior players. It is impossible to survive without being super defensively focused out of possession and without pace on the counter.
That is why we will never survive with our current modus operandi.
Change the manager if you want but the lack of knowledge about what is required is far far higher than that.
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+1
Fulham Ben, you need to relax and take a deep breath.
They all need to get out on that training ground ASAP and work it out there, not listen to you and your anti Parker rants which are unnecessary and Toxic and solves nothing.
It is clearly going take more time than we would like, all you are saying is get rid of somebody because you are allowing your personal feelings to cloud your judgement.
Without telling us what your solution is, because you haven't one. You cannot keep sacking managers without having a solution.
The system of play may need to be tweaked, but it's on the training ground where it will be resolved, not having a rant like you are without saying what your alternative is, because you haven't got one.
It is not going to be resolved overnight, there were many new players on that pitch and whether you like it or not patience is a virtue.
If you are going coat the manager, you are coating all the players as well, so why don't you sack everyone then.
I am fed up reading about games we should win and games we have no chance.
To survive we have to try and pick up points whoever we play, and we will. But lots of hard work and belief is going to be needed.
The good news is we have to play all these teams again when we are a stronger and more consolidated unit where we can return all the compliments.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 24, 2020, 05:15:45 PM
Fulham Ben, you need to relax and take a deep breath.
They all need to get out on that training ground ASAP and work it out there, not listen to you and your anti Parker rants which are unnecessary and Toxic and solves nothing.
It is clearly going take more time than we would like, all you are saying is get rid of somebody because you are allowing your personal feelings to cloud your judgement.
Without telling us what your solution is, because you haven't one. You cannot keep sacking managers without having a solution.
The system of play may need to be tweaked, but it's on the training ground where it will be resolved, not having a rant like you are without saying what your alternative is, because you haven't got one.
It is not going to be resolved overnight, there were many new players on that pitch and whether you like it or not patience is a virtue.
If you are going coat the manager, you are coating all the players as well, so why don't you sack everyone then.
I am fed up reading about games we should win and games we have no chance.
To survive we have to try and pick up points whoever we play, and we will. But lots of hard work and belief is going to be needed.
The good news is we have to play all these teams again when we are a stronger and more consolidated unit where we can return all the compliments.
Agree. Its anew team and will take time .First half decent apart from defensive mistakes. Biggest disappointment for me was Loftus cheek who did virtually nothing to affaect the play. Palace took their chances wedid not.
I think everyone can agree that these tactics which barely worked in the Championship absolutely do not work in the premier league. It's too slow and easy to play against. We have been too reliant on players scoring worldies to score (just watch our top goals from last season video).
I also personally do not think Parker's constant negativity and emphasising that we're going to lose games in every single news conference is helpful at all. You don't hear any other manager doing that. There has been so many "upset" results this season around the league that we should be going into every game thinking we can get something.
I actually think the players we've brought in are good, but we really made a mistake not heavily targeting Watkins and/or Wilson. Mitro is just too 1 dimensional. We need at the bare minimum to bring in a defensive specialist coach
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 24, 2020, 05:15:45 PM
Fulham Ben, you need to relax and take a deep breath.
They all need to get out on that training ground ASAP and work it out there, not listen to you and your anti Parker rants which are unnecessary and Toxic and solves nothing.
It is clearly going take more time than we would like, all you are saying is get rid of somebody because you are allowing your personal feelings to cloud your judgement.
Without telling us what your solution is, because you haven't one. You cannot keep sacking managers without having a solution.
The system of play may need to be tweaked, but it's on the training ground where it will be resolved, not having a rant like you are without saying what your alternative is, because you haven't got one.
It is not going to be resolved overnight, there were many new players on that pitch and whether you like it or not patience is a virtue.
If you are going coat the manager, you are coating all the players as well, so why don't you sack everyone then.
I am fed up reading about games we should win and games we have no chance.
To survive we have to try and pick up points whoever we play, and we will. But lots of hard work and belief is going to be needed.
The good news is we have to play all these teams again when we are a stronger and more consolidated unit where we can return all the compliments.
so are you saying that they haven't been on the training ground trying to work things out? Seems a bit silly to say that woolly. And yes I've been saying for over a year what we need to do, and that's change the manager. How bad do things have to get before you wake up. It's now our worst start in our entire history. I think it's you that is letting personal feelings cloud your judgement. If our manager was Sanchez and he had this diabolical start, you would be screaming for his head. I'm under no illusion that no manager in the world could rectify what Parker has done, but an avarage manger should at least get us to 12 points to avoid the derby embarrassment, Parker won't
If the tactics were better today i do feel we could've won,but mitrovic was awful. the amount of possession we have and do nothing with is criminal
Wise words from the Woolly one.🦉
Quote from: Mr K.Dilkington on October 24, 2020, 05:22:11 PM
If the tactics were better today i do feel we could've won,but mitrovic was awful. the amount of possession we have and do nothing with is criminal
thats Parker ball for you. Apparently we just need another 10 to 20 games on top of the 60 we've already tried it with for it to not be as crap.
Quote from: Deeping_white on October 24, 2020, 04:35:25 PM
He's still not learned that Parkerball is ineffective and makes us so easy to defend against, and clearly can't coach basic defending either. Doesn't help that Mitro currently looks like a league 2 player though
Agree 100%, the big problem is the players look beaten, there isn't a bounce in their step. All Kamara's 'good qualities' has been 'coached' out of him, he looks a 'shadow' of himself. This has the 'feel' of 2018.
Sadly I don't imagine many would want the job. I have no doubt that Scott being fired is inevitable at some point this half of the season. It's a long remainder of the season to be a whipping boy and take all the flack for what's gone before. Who would want that job and believe they could turn this around?
Quote from: Caedal on October 24, 2020, 05:19:55 PM
I think everyone can agree that these tactics which barely worked in the Championship absolutely do not work in the premier league. It's too slow and easy to play against. We have been too reliant on players scoring worldies to score (just watch our top goals from last season video).
I also personally do not think Parker's constant negativity and emphasising that we're going to lose games in every single news conference is helpful at all. You don't hear any other manager doing that. There has been so many "upset" results this season around the league that we should be going into every game thinking we can get something.
I actually think the players we've brought in are good, but we really made a mistake not heavily targeting Watkins and/or Wilson. Mitro is just too 1 dimensional. We need at the bare minimum to bring in a defensive specialist coach
The worrying thing is that Parker can't see it. The only time this season we've played anything like our potential is when we were 4 - 1 down against Leeds, we were direct and playing with urgency. And against Sheff Utd after we went 1 - 0 up.
Quote from: joef on October 24, 2020, 05:30:29 PM
Sadly I don't imagine many would want the job. I have no doubt that Scott being fired is inevitable at some point this half of the season. It's a long remainder of the season to be a whipping boy and take all the flack for what's gone before. Who would want that job and believe they could turn this around?
I'd bring back SJ.
Quote from: fulhamben on October 24, 2020, 05:21:18 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 24, 2020, 05:15:45 PM
Fulham Ben, you need to relax and take a deep breath.
They all need to get out on that training ground ASAP and work it out there, not listen to you and your anti Parker rants which are unnecessary and Toxic and solves nothing.
It is clearly going take more time than we would like, all you are saying is get rid of somebody because you are allowing your personal feelings to cloud your judgement.
Without telling us what your solution is, because you haven't one. You cannot keep sacking managers without having a solution.
The system of play may need to be tweaked, but it's on the training ground where it will be resolved, not having a rant like you are without saying what your alternative is, because you haven't got one.
It is not going to be resolved overnight, there were many new players on that pitch and whether you like it or not patience is a virtue.
If you are going coat the manager, you are coating all the players as well, so why don't you sack everyone then.
I am fed up reading about games we should win and games we have no chance.
To survive we have to try and pick up points whoever we play, and we will. But lots of hard work and belief is going to be needed.
The good news is we have to play all these teams again when we are a stronger and more consolidated unit where we can return all the compliments.
so are you saying that they haven't been on the training ground trying to work things out? Seems a bit silly to say that woolly. And yes I've been saying for over a year what we need to do, and that's change the manager. How bad do things have to get before you wake up. It's now our worst start in our entire history. I think it's you that is letting personal feelings cloud your judgement. If our manager was Sanchez and he had this diabolical start, you would be screaming for his head. I'm under no illusion that no manager in the world could rectify what Parker has done, but an avarage manger should at least get us to 12 points to avoid the derby embarrassment, Parker won't
We shall more than double those 12 points before the season is out, we have the players on the books, minus another striker.
What will say is that we may need to think of who plays up front or at least rearrange the offensive system of play with different personnel, unfortunately we are short of attacking alternatives thanks to the incompetence of the part time D of F who is the one you should be targeting if you really are looking for somebody to fire.
If Zaha had not been on that pitch there would have been a different result I am sure of that, but he was and we could not contain him. But he won't be playing for Albion in our next match. What you must bear in mind is that this is a massive jump for Fulham to establish ourselves on this Division, taking into account of so many new additions on top of that, we were always going to be in other clubs slipstreams to begin with.
But when we turn the corner, and with the good habits we would have established, that will stand us in good stead.
Quote from: Caedal on October 24, 2020, 05:19:55 PM
I think everyone can agree that these tactics which barely worked in the Championship absolutely do not work in the premier league. It's too slow and easy to play against. We have been too reliant on players scoring worldies to score (just watch our top goals from last season video).
I also personally do not think Parker's constant negativity and emphasising that we're going to lose games in every single news conference is helpful at all. You don't hear any other manager doing that. There has been so many "upset" results this season around the league that we should be going into every game thinking we can get something.
I actually think the players we've brought in are good, but we really made a mistake not heavily targeting Watkins and/or Wilson. Mitro is just too 1 dimensional. We need at the bare minimum to bring in a defensive specialist coach
I agree on all these points. I just hope that Parker isn't too stubborn to make changes to our style of play. He deserves the chance though.
Quote from: ByTheRiver on October 24, 2020, 05:10:30 PM
Quote from: Robbie on October 24, 2020, 04:58:36 PM
TBF - this was mission impossible. Third team up, lockdown ...
Leeds managed to bring in a top international CB and a top international striker in roughly the same timeframe and had them in early enough to get bedded in before a ball was kicked.
Let's not make excuses. Let's examine the issue.
Leeds we're actually promoted on 15 July so had almost 3 weeks start in the transfer market. Leeds already had a strong physical side in place which is something we did not and still do not have.
Quote from: sarnian on October 24, 2020, 05:40:48 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on October 24, 2020, 05:10:30 PM
Quote from: Robbie on October 24, 2020, 04:58:36 PM
TBF - this was mission impossible. Third team up, lockdown ...
Leeds managed to bring in a top international CB and a top international striker in roughly the same timeframe and had them in early enough to get bedded in before a ball was kicked.
Let's not make excuses. Let's examine the issue.
Leeds we're actually promoted on 15 July so had almost 3 weeks start in the transfer market. Leeds already had a strong physical side in place which is something we did not and still do not have.
I'm sure if we were a well run club, it would have crossed someone's mind in late July that there was a chance we might get promoted and that we should prepare for that by identifying some potential upgrades to sign in the event that promotion materialised
I appreciate that TK's knowledge of English football is still very limited but given this was our second promotion via the play-offs, he ought to have understood how they worked
Quote from: Statto on October 24, 2020, 04:29:46 PM
We look like a decent team that needs another quality forward and a couple more weeks getting to know each other. Those things are on TK, not Parker.
I agree, this is not SP's death knell. Not yet anyway. I still don't like the way this team is playing. We've seen point gathering chances during this early stretch of games and have come up basically empty. But I think SP still has some breathing room.
Quote from: Statto on October 24, 2020, 05:44:25 PM
Quote from: sarnian on October 24, 2020, 05:40:48 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on October 24, 2020, 05:10:30 PM
Quote from: Robbie on October 24, 2020, 04:58:36 PM
TBF - this was mission impossible. Third team up, lockdown ...
Leeds managed to bring in a top international CB and a top international striker in roughly the same timeframe and had them in early enough to get bedded in before a ball was kicked.
Let's not make excuses. Let's examine the issue.
Leeds we're actually promoted on 15 July so had almost 3 weeks start in the transfer market. Leeds already had a strong physical side in place which is something we did not and still do not have.
I'm sure if we were a well run club, it would have crossed someone's mind in late July that there was a chance we might get promoted and that we should prepare for that by identifying some potential upgrades to sign in the event that promotion materialised
I appreciate that TK's knowledge of English football is still very limited but given this was our second promotion via the play-offs, he ought to have understood how they worked
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Quote from: Statto on October 24, 2020, 05:44:25 PM
Quote from: sarnian on October 24, 2020, 05:40:48 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on October 24, 2020, 05:10:30 PM
Quote from: Robbie on October 24, 2020, 04:58:36 PM
TBF - this was mission impossible. Third team up, lockdown ...
Leeds managed to bring in a top international CB and a top international striker in roughly the same timeframe and had them in early enough to get bedded in before a ball was kicked.
Let's not make excuses. Let's examine the issue.
Leeds we're actually promoted on 15 July so had almost 3 weeks start in the transfer market. Leeds already had a strong physical side in place which is something we did not and still do not have.
I'm sure if we were a well run club, it would have crossed someone's mind in late July that there was a chance we might get promoted and that we should prepare for that by identifying some potential upgrades to sign in the event that promotion materialised
I appreciate that TK's knowledge of English football is still very limited but given this was our second promotion via the play-offs, he ought to have understood how they worked
Nail, hammer, head, with gusto.
Quote from: fulhamben on October 24, 2020, 05:24:50 PM
Quote from: Mr K.Dilkington on October 24, 2020, 05:22:11 PM
If the tactics were better today i do feel we could've won,but mitrovic was awful. the amount of possession we have and do nothing with is criminal
thats Parker ball for you. Apparently we just need another 10 to 20 games on top of the 60 we've already tried it with for it to not be as crap.
I agree. How the hell does he watch mitro today and not yell at him to pull their cb's about?
Or does he not care since he doesn't tell our midfield to run into said space created. It really baffles ...
Last week we dropped two points (well Mitro did).
Today we should have got at least a point but we missed that golden chance (well Mitro did) to draw level.
Listen to TC after the game. They know where our problems lie and it's in both boxes.
Our defending is getting better, it's not great but improving and let's face it, Zaha can open up most defences.
But our centre forward play is going backwards. We are toothless in attack.
Worse still, we don't have any options.
There is a pattern.
It is way too early to sack Parker. We need to wait a bit longer otherwise we will probably end having four managers this season rather than the usual three!
But, seriously though - he deserves the next three games at least. However, I think anything less than 4 points from those three and then it will be time to twist. At that stage we need to decide whether to go with the short term solution (Big Sam) or more long term (Eddie Howe). I would probably go with the latter, although you could argue that our squad would be more suited to the former...
I'm not completely writing Parker off yet. The circumstances of our promotion, so close to pre-season - was always going to make the start of this season incredibly tough. I also think we have been unlucky not to get a point at Wolves and 3 last week.
Did anyone else think we looked good today despite scoreline? I actually said to myself during parts of game we look like a EPL side.
Quote from: Luka on October 24, 2020, 05:59:19 PM
Zaha can open up most defences.
Sure he can. BUT, every time he touched the ball, FFC players looked like they were crapping themselves. No bravery, no challenge, no marking, no nothing. Zaha bossed the entire FFC side. Sad to say, but true. Palace could have had more than just the two goals.
Parker needs to prove he can adapt his tactics and change the way we approach games, first and foremost make us hard to play against and break down, may not be pretty on the eye but essential in this league we are currently a soft touch! If he persists with possession slow tempo football things will get worse as confidence from the team will disappear. Can he adapt, time will tell but he needs to change approach quickly
Quote from: FFC1987 on October 24, 2020, 06:06:10 PM
Did anyone else think we looked good today despite scoreline? I actually said to myself during parts of game we look like a EPL side.
Yes, but it was a bit like a butter knife no cutting edge, dont think Parker trusts the player to score and seems to want them stood outside the box waiting for the counter instead of inside trying to score
Quote from: FFC1987 on October 24, 2020, 06:06:10 PM
Did anyone else think we looked good today despite scoreline? I actually said to myself during parts of game we look like a EPL side.
Looks can be deceiving. All that possession and really no good scoring chances created. (Save Lookmans' woodwork) Palace was happy to just sit back and watch FFC make unproductive passes in the midfield and gather large quantities of possession time, as does most of the teams we play. What looks like bossing is really a mirage......
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Quote from: Statto on October 24, 2020, 04:29:46 PM
We look like a decent team that needs another quality forward and a couple more weeks getting to know each other. Those things are on TK, not Parker.
I agree. We just need to ignore the headhunting cannibals who want to sack something every other week.
well we lose pretty much every week so when do you sack a crap manager?
We probably will. Has Norwich City sacked their manager yet?
I don't think Parker will be sacked.
We've gone down the 'sack the manager' route twice before in the P.L. under our current chairman. I think Shahid will decide that, even if we fail to stay up again, we can't be seen, yet again, to be in a state chaotic upheaval for most of the season - and this is what will always be presumed, in my view, if a club chops and changes its promotion-winning manager.
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Quote from: Robbie on October 24, 2020, 04:58:36 PM
TBF - this was mission impossible. Third team up, lockdown ...
Leeds managed to bring in a top international CB and a top international striker in roughly the same timeframe and had them in early enough to get bedded in before a ball was kicked.
Let's not make excuses. Let's examine the issue.
Leeds we're actually promoted on 15 July so had almost 3 weeks start in the transfer market. Leeds already had a strong physical side in place which is something we did not and still do not have.
I'm sure if we were a well run club, it would have crossed someone's mind in late July that there was a chance we might get promoted and that we should prepare for that by identifying some potential upgrades to sign in the event that promotion materialised
I appreciate that TK's knowledge of English football is still very limited but given this was our second promotion via the play-offs, he ought to have understood how they worked
Spot on. And btw we have known about our CB weaknesses and limited central striking resources not for weeks, not for months not even for one season. We have known since our last disastrous premier league season. Just maybe a professional DoF would have had a strategy in place?
Having said that it is clear SP needs to change the way we transition into attack. To his credit he dropped Cav for today so perhaps he will also show himself capable of tweaking his preferred style.
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Quote from: Deeping_white on October 24, 2020, 04:35:25 PM
He's still not learned that Parkerball is ineffective and makes us so easy to defend against, and clearly can't coach basic defending either. Doesn't help that Mitro currently looks like a league 2 player though
Agree 100%, the big problem is the players look beaten, there isn't a bounce in their step. All Kamara's 'good qualities' has been 'coached' out of him, he looks a 'shadow' of himself. This has the 'feel' of 2018.
What good qualities were they then?
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Quote from: ByTheRiver on October 24, 2020, 05:10:30 PM
Quote from: Robbie on October 24, 2020, 04:58:36 PM
TBF - this was mission impossible. Third team up, lockdown ...
Leeds managed to bring in a top international CB and a top international striker in roughly the same timeframe and had them in early enough to get bedded in before a ball was kicked.
Let's not make excuses. Let's examine the issue.
Leeds we're actually promoted on 15 July so had almost 3 weeks start in the transfer market. Leeds already had a strong physical side in place which is something we did not and still do not have.
I'm sure if we were a well run club, it would have crossed someone's mind in late July that there was a chance we might get promoted and that we should prepare for that by identifying some potential upgrades to sign in the event that promotion materialised
How do you know this wasn't in fact done? I don't think TK should be our DoF, but to think he or anyone on the footballing side wasn't preparing is a bit absurd.
Quote from: FFC1987 on October 24, 2020, 06:06:10 PM
Did anyone else think we looked good today despite scoreline? I actually said to myself during parts of game we look like a EPL side.
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Quote from: FFC1987 on October 24, 2020, 06:06:10 PM
Did anyone else think we looked good today despite scoreline? I actually said to myself during parts of game we look like a EPL side.
Yes.
But we are (still) too slow up top. And I'm not sold on Mitro being anything more than an average at best striker in the EPL. Defending CBs are too strong/fast/tall to be threatened by him...and we don't have an alternative attacking option that involves good build up in the final 3rd.
I'm not Parker out...but the reliance on Mitro is going to kill us. We are the slowest attacking side (of the teams that don't simply park the bus) in the premier league.
Mitro is the slowest attacking player...and RLC is also slow.
A win against West Brom is a must. The season gets hard after that game.
Quote from: Worcesterwhite on October 24, 2020, 06:10:13 PM
Parker needs to prove he can adapt his tactics and change the way we approach games, first and foremost make us hard to play against and break down, may not be pretty on the eye but essential in this league we are currently a soft touch! If he persists with possession slow tempo football things will get worse as confidence from the team will disappear. Can he adapt, time will tell but he needs to change approach quickly
Agree with this.
There were a lot of positives today, of course there were but I can understand why the focus is on the negatives/result because points win prizes. We have some very good players and it's up to Parker to get the best out of them. To do that he may need to swallow his pride and adapt his principles.
Apart from the 2nd half of the 1st leg of the semi and the playoff final (and maybe the Leeds and Millwall games at home last year) when have SP fans happy with how his team has played football?
I have no confidence in his ability to manage a team at this level (and I had very little confidence at the level below).
I've said it before, but Parker is falling into the same traps that Slav did. Changing tactics every single week. I understand changing them based on the opponent, but if it means changing the base tactics, then it's not worth it. If we applied the exact same tactics used from last week: a 3-4-2-1 in the attack, a 5-4-1 defensively - we could have gotten something out of this game. Aina needed extra help, and having a RWB would've been ideal. Yet, Parker sets up with a 4-3-3 for the first time all year. In a must win game. He sets up with a brand new formation.
Quote from: itombomb on October 24, 2020, 06:44:32 PM
Apart from the 2nd half of the 1st leg of the semi and the playoff final (and maybe the Leeds and Millwall games at home last year) when have SP fans happy with how his team has played football?
I have no confidence in his ability to manage a team at this level (and I had very little confidence at the level below).
We were decent against Boro too!
Seriously though, that aside, you're spot on. I've been nonplussed by our performances week in week out for a long time now.
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Quote from: fulhamben on October 24, 2020, 04:27:53 PM
Possibly the single biggest mistake in our entire history was jol signing Parker. It has haunted us for years. Terrible player for us, terrible coach for us and a terrible manger for us. Surely everyone with a brain can now see this Jonah has to go
:doh:
The OP has obviously had it in for Parker from day one. Apart from achieving promotion last season - what has he done for us?
Quote from: Matt10 on October 24, 2020, 06:49:26 PM
I've said it before, but Parker is falling into the same traps that Slav did. Changing tactics every single week. I understand changing them based on the opponent, but if it means changing the base tactics, then it's not worth it. If we applied the exact same tactics used from last week: a 3-4-2-1 in the attack, a 5-4-1 defensively - we could have gotten something out of this game. Aina needed extra help, and having a RWB would've been ideal. Yet, Parker sets up with a 4-3-3 for the first time all year. In a must win game. He sets up with a brand new formation.
Funny, I must have missed the invisible third CB we had on the pitch last week...
Quote from: WindyCity on October 24, 2020, 06:09:20 PM
Quote from: Luka on October 24, 2020, 05:59:19 PM
Zaha can open up most defences.
Sure he can. BUT, every time he touched the ball, FFC players looked like they were crapping themselves. No bravery, no challenge, no marking, no nothing. Zaha bossed the entire FFC side. Sad to say, but true. Palace could have had more than just the two goals.
Agree 100%, both goals were created by 'slide rule' passes, it's because the players just stood off, there were two players that could of challenged.
Quote from: Statto on October 24, 2020, 07:26:19 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on October 24, 2020, 06:49:26 PM
I've said it before, but Parker is falling into the same traps that Slav did. Changing tactics every single week. I understand changing them based on the opponent, but if it means changing the base tactics, then it's not worth it. If we applied the exact same tactics used from last week: a 3-4-2-1 in the attack, a 5-4-1 defensively - we could have gotten something out of this game. Aina needed extra help, and having a RWB would've been ideal. Yet, Parker sets up with a 4-3-3 for the first time all year. In a must win game. He sets up with a brand new formation.
Funny, I must have missed the invisible third CB we had on the pitch last week...
Oh, Statto.
source: https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1485231/Live/England-Premier-League-2020-2021-Sheffield-United-Fulham
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Quote from: Matt10 on October 24, 2020, 07:35:53 PM
Quote from: Statto on October 24, 2020, 07:26:19 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on October 24, 2020, 06:49:26 PM
I've said it before, but Parker is falling into the same traps that Slav did. Changing tactics every single week. I understand changing them based on the opponent, but if it means changing the base tactics, then it's not worth it. If we applied the exact same tactics used from last week: a 3-4-2-1 in the attack, a 5-4-1 defensively - we could have gotten something out of this game. Aina needed extra help, and having a RWB would've been ideal. Yet, Parker sets up with a 4-3-3 for the first time all year. In a must win game. He sets up with a brand new formation.
Funny, I must have missed the invisible third CB we had on the pitch last week...
Oh, Statto.
source: https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1485231/Live/England-Premier-League-2020-2021-Sheffield-United-Fulham
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/923/dYgUOK.png)
I guess neither you nor the guys at WhoScored actually watched the game then
Robinson and Aina seemed pretty symmetrical to me as were Lookman and Cavaleiro
Sorry but I think it was just a 4-3-3 like every game we've played in the last five years bar a handful
It's now or never. Either go for an established manager, now, this week or leave Parker in place for the rest of the season. There is no point giving some old has-beeen a big retirement cheque, if we are 10 points behind. Might as well keep Parker in place and start again next year.
Only thing SP has achieved is to get promotion and to win the play offs.
Any reasonable supporter knew that staying up was going to be extremely difficult and that the team needed strengthening both at the back and up front. The defence looks better. Even last season we leaked goals a division below. Up front there has been a woeful failure to strengthen the attack. If Mitro is off form then any team which relies on a 4th tier player like Kamara is bound to be in trouble.
SP has been left with a poor hand. His teams aren't exciting but then any manager with this lot would be in trouble.
Blame starts at the boardroom and runs through the management.
Quote from: Statto on October 24, 2020, 07:47:22 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on October 24, 2020, 07:35:53 PM
Quote from: Statto on October 24, 2020, 07:26:19 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on October 24, 2020, 06:49:26 PM
I've said it before, but Parker is falling into the same traps that Slav did. Changing tactics every single week. I understand changing them based on the opponent, but if it means changing the base tactics, then it's not worth it. If we applied the exact same tactics used from last week: a 3-4-2-1 in the attack, a 5-4-1 defensively - we could have gotten something out of this game. Aina needed extra help, and having a RWB would've been ideal. Yet, Parker sets up with a 4-3-3 for the first time all year. In a must win game. He sets up with a brand new formation.
Funny, I must have missed the invisible third CB we had on the pitch last week...
Oh, Statto.
source: https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1485231/Live/England-Premier-League-2020-2021-Sheffield-United-Fulham
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/923/dYgUOK.png)
I guess neither you nor the guys at WhoScored actually watched the game then
Robinson and Aina were symmetrical, as were Lookman and Cavaleiro
It was a 4-3-3 like every game we've played in the last five years bar a handful
I'm not sure if you're serious or just in the mood to argue. This is basically getting stuck in the weeds, and is doing a great job and belittling my post - but whatever makes you feel better, I suppose.
Anyway, 3-4-2-1 attack, 5-4-1 defense.
Actually, Howard here says 3-4-3; splitting a bit - but sure, that's fine as well. What does he know though...
https://streamable.com/nwuj03
Take it easy you all , especially on each other. Emotions running high on our dreadful start to the season.
pretty good squad for a manager to come in now and keep us up. People neg managers like alladyce and bruce, but if ted bundy or hitler kept us up it wouldn't matter to me.
Quote from: andyk on October 24, 2020, 07:51:15 PM
It's now or never. Either go for an established manager, now, this week or leave Parker in place for the rest of the season. There is no point giving some old has-beeen a big retirement cheque, if we are 10 points behind. Might as well keep Parker in place and start again next year.
+1
Quote from: fulhamben on October 24, 2020, 04:27:53 PM
Possibly the single biggest mistake in our entire history was jol signing Parker. It has haunted us for years. Terrible player for us, terrible coach for us and a terrible manger for us. Surely everyone with a brain can now see this Jonah has to go
And this from a man that thinks that AK is so great that he has a photo of him under his name. Also quoted last year that Jordon Henderson was a rubbish player and should never play for England, strange he became Journalist Player of the year for 2019. I think Ben, your view on football players needs to be taken with a pinch of salt!
I would keep Parker on as an advisor as he knows the Fulham players and we owe him that respect for all the man has done for the club. "Big" Sam Allardyce would breathe life into our game, might be less 'pretty' but should get results IMO.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on October 24, 2020, 11:01:05 PM
I would keep Parker on as an advisor as he knows the Fulham players and we owe him that respect for all the man has done for the club. "Big" Sam Allardyce would breathe life into our game, might be less 'pretty' but should get results IMO.
I have no doubt. If the club want results big Sam is the man. A lot of fans dont like him but he'll do whats required. If Scott loves the club like he says he does he should step aside and assist Sam
Quote from: Mr K.Dilkington on October 24, 2020, 08:40:15 PM
pretty good squad for a manager to come in now and keep us up. People neg managers like alladyce and bruce, but if ted bundy or hitler kept us up it wouldn't matter to me.
Allardyce is the only real option. If he cant keep us up nobody can
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Quote from: Mr K.Dilkington on October 24, 2020, 08:40:15 PM
pretty good squad for a manager to come in now and keep us up. People neg managers like alladyce and bruce, but if ted bundy or hitler kept us up it wouldn't matter to me.
Allardyce is the only real option. If he cant keep us up nobody can
Id try and tempt Dyche from Burnley
Quote from: Denzil Dexter on October 24, 2020, 11:18:49 PM
Quote from: Mr K.Dilkington on October 24, 2020, 08:40:15 PM
pretty good squad for a manager to come in now and keep us up. People neg managers like alladyce and bruce, but if ted bundy or hitler kept us up it wouldn't matter to me.
Allardyce is the only real option. If he cant keep us up nobody can
Allardyce. The only real option ? Just like Ranieri. Never been relegated. No thanks the world has moved on.
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Quote from: Denzil Dexter on October 24, 2020, 11:18:49 PM
Quote from: Mr K.Dilkington on October 24, 2020, 08:40:15 PM
pretty good squad for a manager to come in now and keep us up. People neg managers like alladyce and bruce, but if ted bundy or hitler kept us up it wouldn't matter to me.
Allardyce is the only real option. If he cant keep us up nobody can
Id try and tempt Dyche from Burnley
we need brexit fc here stat lol. But in all seriousness he's done an excellent job there and a rift is growing between him and there chairman over transfers so...
2 things
1/. We do have the players at the moment to do OK, plenty of talent on the pitch and available.
if coached properly.
Cav. Seri, nowhere to be seen, Knock out on loan, BDR a reluctant sub. (All seemnigly good and expensive players!!!
2/. Woy out=foxed us, packed his defense, didn't worry about marking our wingers, just defended the crosses.
His plan sucked us forward. How often was Ream way into their hall.
Then they had the players who could counter attack.
We're doing the wrong thing, instead of Parker ball and drawing their players forward, we should let them come forward,
by taking a risk and lose possession defend properly and give our attacking players more space to attack.
Woy 10 Parker 1
He's a wiley old fox
I get it that Roy outfoxed Parker today, but, at least we tried to play a game of football. We attacked from the kick off . Palace packed the box, 2 banks of four, sometimes 2 banks of five. They never really wanted to play football, take us on.
Parker may be naive, inexperienced, but, at least he had the courage to play football on the front foot.
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Quote from: Denzil Dexter on October 24, 2020, 11:18:49 PM
Quote from: Mr K.Dilkington on October 24, 2020, 08:40:15 PM
pretty good squad for a manager to come in now and keep us up. People neg managers like alladyce and bruce, but if ted bundy or hitler kept us up it wouldn't matter to me.
Allardyce is the only real option. If he cant keep us up nobody can
Allardyce. The only real option ? Just like Ranieri. Never been relegated. No thanks the world has moved on.
Palace have a 73 year old manager who outwitted us today. Roy gets results. Allardyce gets results. We need to establish ourselves again. If Scott can't get this lot winning what's your suggestion?
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Not Allardyce.
I would rather watch grass grow than watch us at the moment.
We have no ideas going forward. Once we get in to the final third, it's just crab football until the opposition wins the ball back. Lookman is the only exception to this.
Mitro is starved of opportunities, and doesn't get anywhere near enough support, especially considering how high our possession numbers - there should be midfield numbers supporting him.
Nobody knows how to cross on this team, nobody knows how to defend.
This is the least likeable and most boring Fulham team I've ever seen
Quote from: Plodder on October 24, 2020, 07:10:46 PM
The OP has obviously had it in for Parker from day one. Apart from achieving promotion last season - what has he done for us?
got us relegated as a player, got us relegated as a coach and is guaranteed to get us relegated as a manager, oh and cost us millions for that privilege too.
Quote from: fulhamben on October 25, 2020, 05:14:51 AM
Quote from: Plodder on October 24, 2020, 07:10:46 PM
The OP has obviously had it in for Parker from day one. Apart from achieving promotion last season - what has he done for us?
got us relegated as a player, got us relegated as a coach and is guaranteed to get us relegated as a manager, oh and cost us millions for that privilege too.
Ben, I'm seriously concerned that when we get relegated this year, we go straight down to L1 ala Sunderland.
Quote from: FFC In Oz on October 25, 2020, 05:16:03 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on October 25, 2020, 05:14:51 AM
Quote from: Plodder on October 24, 2020, 07:10:46 PM
The OP has obviously had it in for Parker from day one. Apart from achieving promotion last season - what has he done for us?
got us relegated as a player, got us relegated as a coach and is guaranteed to get us relegated as a manager, oh and cost us millions for that privilege too.
Ben, I'm seriously concerned that when we get relegated this year, we go straight down to L1 ala Sunderland.
its certainly possible, but as long as the khans stay interested, I'm at least confident they will supply the funds to try and stop a double relegation.
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Quote from: Plodder on October 24, 2020, 07:10:46 PM
The OP has obviously had it in for Parker from day one. Apart from achieving promotion last season - what has he done for us?
got us relegated as a player, got us relegated as a coach and is guaranteed to get us relegated as a manager, oh and cost us millions for that privilege too.
Ben, I'm seriously concerned that when we get relegated this year, we go straight down to L1 ala Sunderland.
its certainly possible, but as long as the khans stay interested, I'm at least confident they will supply the funds to try and stop a double relegation.
If we keep Parker though (as I fear we might), it might become too late. Championship clubs will defend in greater numbers and strike on the counter like Palace every game
There was a reason we nicknamed Scott 'captain crop circle' when he was playing with us: man is obsessed with holding the ball in the middle of the pitch and doing nothing with it. Painful to watch.
We're regretting not bringing in some attackers, but the team is good enough to be doing better than this.
Either Scott needs to encourage the midfielders to look forward more (I.e. not just pass side to side and back) or we need a new manager. Simple as that for me
It never takes long for someone to start making a noise. 'There are thousands of managers out there' is the call to which the response is so how come we got all such flops as we have seen under the Khans? Even with ample help from a committee they coudn't hack it! And only Jokanovic and Parker have lifted us from the rot, to be unsupported by a charismatic football figure doing that same hiring and firing and not finding his mark any better than a blindfolded child pinning a tail on a donkey. And so even when we do get a decent person (one in eight) where is the support coming from?
But here's a thought from the future as in "A remarkable Parker turns Fulham completely around as winning run reaches eight games ..." Of course, you will say, it'll never happen, but neither will another decent manager land in the Khans' net if their form is anything to go by. How about we stick with the football side and change the DoF and see if that works?
Quote from: toshes mate on October 25, 2020, 08:09:39 AM
It never takes long for someone to start making a noise. 'There are thousands of managers out there' is the call to which the response is so how come we got all such flops as we have seen under the Khans? Even with ample help from a committee they coudn't hack it! And only Jokanovic and Parker have lifted us from the rot, to be unsupported by a charismatic football figure doing that same hiring and firing and not finding his mark any better than a blindfolded child pinning a tail on a donkey. And so even when we do get a decent person (one in eight) where is the support coming from?
But here's a thought from the future as in "A remarkable Parker turns Fulham completely around as winning run reaches eight games ..." Of course, you will say, it'll never happen, but neither will another decent manager land in the Khans' net if their form is anything to go by. How about we stick with the football side and change the DoF and see if that works?
how does changing the dof make Parker a better manager? And we don't need a decent manager, a bang average one would be a massive upgrade.
Quote from: Statto on October 24, 2020, 04:29:46 PM
We look like a decent team that needs another quality forward and a couple more weeks getting to know each other. Those things are on TK, not Parker.
Exactly. I think parker's biggest issue is his inexperience. But i am not sure any manager can cope with the haplessxarrogant one that is our DoF. I can hardly wait for his next tweet or video interview pretending he knows what he is up too. I wonder how long an indulgent father will give his son, anywhere else he would have been thrown out.
Quote from: fulhamben on October 25, 2020, 08:18:09 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on October 25, 2020, 08:09:39 AM
It never takes long for someone to start making a noise. 'There are thousands of managers out there' is the call to which the response is so how come we got all such flops as we have seen under the Khans? Even with ample help from a committee they coudn't hack it! And only Jokanovic and Parker have lifted us from the rot, to be unsupported by a charismatic football figure doing that same hiring and firing and not finding his mark any better than a blindfolded child pinning a tail on a donkey. And so even when we do get a decent person (one in eight) where is the support coming from?
But here's a thought from the future as in "A remarkable Parker turns Fulham completely around as winning run reaches eight games ..." Of course, you will say, it'll never happen, but neither will another decent manager land in the Khans' net if their form is anything to go by. How about we stick with the football side and change the DoF and see if that works?
how does changing the dof make Parker a better manager? And we don't need a decent manager, a bang average one would be a massive upgrade.
They are the main part of football coaching, style and skills at FFC, ay least that is what was said when Javier was appointed ... the problem is in recruitment and Parker (like Jokanovic) can transform playing style given time which is something TK uses very badly. Parker may not be the best for the job but if that was the case he should never have been given the coaching job except for the Ranieri debacle. The Khans cannot find decent football managers and you don't think that is a problem ....
Quote from: FFC In Oz on October 25, 2020, 05:22:12 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on October 25, 2020, 05:18:54 AM
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Quote from: fulhamben on October 25, 2020, 05:14:51 AM
Quote from: Plodder on October 24, 2020, 07:10:46 PM
The OP has obviously had it in for Parker from day one. Apart from achieving promotion last season - what has he done for us?
got us relegated as a player, got us relegated as a coach and is guaranteed to get us relegated as a manager, oh and cost us millions for that privilege too.
Ben, I'm seriously concerned that when we get relegated this year, we go straight down to L1 ala Sunderland.
its certainly possible, but as long as the khans stay interested, I'm at least confident they will supply the funds to try and stop a double relegation.
If we keep Parker though (as I fear we might), it might become too late. Championship clubs will defend in greater numbers and strike on the counter like Palace every game
Yes and we saw last season how that turns out when we came terrifyingly close to relegation by finishing joint 3rd
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i never wanted parker when he came in but in fairness he did get promotion,albeit while dropping a lot of points in winnable games last year etc. But i think most people agree he is tactically way out of his depth at this level.
At championship level just having better players can win you football matches,but you need a mix of both in the PL.
And you need a gameplan plus plan b's etc if the games not working out. You can't just chuck on Reid like last season and hope he'll do something against championship defenders,because it's simply not that easy here.
People talk about parkerball and it isn't great to watch but I really couldn't careless if we won because of it.
Playing dull,uninspiring,tactically inept football and losing is when it's unforgivable.
I said last season I don't think he will be good enough at this level and that looks the case.
I'd move for Eddie Howe.
West brom game is a must win. Parker will be gone if we don't beat them
Apologies if this has already been posted. Interesting to note Scott's comments. First time I've heard/read him suggesting anything like leaving. "I can't control how long I have. What I can do is what I've normally done throughout my career. During these hard times, you need to front it up....... It's out of my hands"
I think that if we do not beat West Brom Parker will be gone. But I also believe we are more likely to win and Parker will stay. For a little while yet. I felt our players did well today without getting the final ball to the forwards quick enough. Speed is the name of the game in the prem and we didn't do it. palace had 9 or 10 behind the ball on most occasions and with a mobile dangerous front front man we never had an option. If our strength is Cairney's left foot then he should use it more often
Quote from: Southcoastffc on October 25, 2020, 11:10:58 AM
Apologies if this has already been posted. Interesting to note Scott's comments. First time I've heard/read him suggesting anything like leaving. "I can't control how long I have. What I can do is what I've normally done throughout my career. During these hard times, you need to front it up....... It's out of my hands"
1 point from 18 he should be worried. Any manager in any league should be worried with that stat! Luckily for him he has a crap dof to help divert from poor results.
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Quote from: Southcoastffc on October 25, 2020, 11:10:58 AM
Apologies if this has already been posted. Interesting to note Scott's comments. First time I've heard/read him suggesting anything like leaving. "I can't control how long I have. What I can do is what I've normally done throughout my career. During these hard times, you need to front it up....... It's out of my hands"
Not much else he could say unless he answers the anticipated question by simply not attending the required press conference because he has already left the building for the last time.
However, I did notice a slight temperature change in higher level relationships after the 'performance apology saga' which was further exacerbated by failures to sign a back up for Mitro and another winger. I also believe the injury situation is having an impact on Parker's potential solutions and that must be frustrating too. I am dreading a repeat of the 2018 fiasco which relies upon the dice thrown by the Khans falling exactly as required.
Parker is in a similar position to that of year ago albeit in a different division. Twelve months ago he was given a group of players that needed time to gel with a target of promotion. Now he has a completely different group with a target of staying up. This group just like last year and the year before were never going to hit the ground running. Its frustrating I know but the team needs time to evolve and our support through these tough times. Its a bit too early to hit the panic button although I can understand why some want change.The thing is we all know how that went in our last two Premier League campaigns. What Fulham need more than anything is some stability.
A lot of chat on many threads about SP and TK not being good enough and inevitable relegation.
My take on it all is, as much as SP is inexperienced to some extent so are other Managers in all four Divisions eg Lampard! So what is the problem? Does Lampard play a different tactic or does he have better players!? That takes us to our Dof, many been unhappy with him forever on here, but are the players coming in this season been any worse or better? Hard to say until they have gelled but also the players came in late and we ain't going to spend the kind of money that Matty Cash went for. Players won't come to Fulham as we aren't fashionable and wont be mugged by Agents and their fees.
I could on but at the end of the day it is what it is and the Championship beckons.
I appreciate everyone having a view whether I agree or not, the fact I can't go to watch us win lose or draw at the Cottage is my main concern.
Cheers
All the fans can see what the various problems are. Some posters on this board are very good at analysing what we need to do. I feel I should stop posting sometimes because currently we're just going round in circles and those that manage the club in every way & some of the players do not seem to be improving the situation. I fear that by now all teams have seen how easy it is to let us have possession and just wait for their opportunity as we find it difficult to get into the final third and threaten their goal. The worst thing is watching the game and seeing where we are going wrong and knowing there is nothing I can do about it. If I keep shaking my head in desperation it'll fall off!
https://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/fulham-boss-scott-parker-i-can-t-control-sack-talk-4345371#popup-sso
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It never takes long for someone to start making a noise. 'There are thousands of managers out there' is the call to which the response is so how come we got all such flops as we have seen under the Khans? Even with ample help from a committee they coudn't hack it! And only Jokanovic and Parker have lifted us from the rot, to be unsupported by a charismatic football figure doing that same hiring and firing and not finding his mark any better than a blindfolded child pinning a tail on a donkey. And so even when we do get a decent person (one in eight) where is the support coming from?
But here's a thought from the future as in "A remarkable Parker turns Fulham completely around as winning run reaches eight games ..." Of course, you will say, it'll never happen, but neither will another decent manager land in the Khans' net if their form is anything to go by. How about we stick with the football side and change the DoF and see if that works?
how does changing the dof make Parker a better manager? And we don't need a decent manager, a bang average one would be a massive upgrade.
They are the main part of football coaching, style and skills at FFC, ay least that is what was said when Javier was appointed ... the problem is in recruitment and Parker (like Jokanovic) can transform playing style given time which is something TK uses very badly. Parker may not be the best for the job but if that was the case he should never have been given the coaching job except for the Ranieri debacle. The Khans cannot find decent football managers and you don't think that is a problem ....
I think this is actually a good approach by the club to save face. Appoint a real Director of Football above SP, to guide the direction of the playing effort from Academy through to the 1st team. TK can step aside saying he is moving to an Exec role on the Board, because he does not have enough time, due to Covid travel restrictions bla bla. Then if that person decides SP is not cutting it he can guide the club in recruiting a Manager whose approach fits the players we have and the existing approach - which is the opposite of what they did with Magath and Ranieri ( check out KMac's comments on Ranieri if in doubt). This DoF would be someone with lots of experience and credibility but who does not want to do the day to day grind on the training pitch.
Parker has not had that much time with this squad, some players just over 2 weeks, and has injuries to deal with so this knee jerk calling for his firing needs to be tempered with understanding that anyone else in the same circumstances would probably have the same results. Parker didn't decide to have only Mitro, thats TK, having RLC and not an aggressive RW who can cross the ball is not Scotty either. Midfielders who just turn off and don't track their runners is again not down to the manager.
The slow possession based football maybe his approach but TC slowing it to a crawl and watching the Palace defense take a seat waiting for us to lumber forwards, no-one hitting the bye line; I think that is execution rather than tactics.
There has been very little progression under parker in his time here . We are no further forward than when Slav left . Another promotion, another random transfer window where we hope we can gel 11 new players into a team .
