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Title: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: 3 Cherries on December 13, 2020, 06:32:38 PM
Kamara came on gave away the penalty - did little else (Mitro did the same...)

Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Slaphead in Qatar on December 13, 2020, 06:34:34 PM
Why bring Kamara on? Should have given Tom a chance.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Lyle from Hangeland on December 13, 2020, 06:34:47 PM
Kamara came on gave away the penalty - did little else (Mitro did the same...)

Please stop.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Southdowns White on December 13, 2020, 06:34:59 PM
Can't blame him for the penalty but apart from that was a headless chicken and offered very little.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: MikeTheCubed on December 13, 2020, 06:37:08 PM
Asinine to blame Kamara for that decision.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: fulhamben on December 13, 2020, 06:37:11 PM
Can't blame him for the penalty but apart from that was a headless chicken and offered very little.
is that a joke, won every single header, probably had well over 90% passing accuracy and was winning tackles as well as actually closing down at pace. he did well when he came on.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: LittleErn on December 13, 2020, 06:45:41 PM
Kamara has pace, but not the brightest in football terms. Its no good putting him on to keep them honest because his first touch is so bad. He has little control. He should know that VAR will give a penalty if he doesn't keep his arms by his side. He makes wrong decisions too many times. Basically he is trying too hard. Still, a great team performance overall and a creditable result that should have been 3 points.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: bill taylors apprentice on December 13, 2020, 06:47:04 PM
Some people really don't have a clue!
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: junior white on December 13, 2020, 06:48:14 PM
I could understand bringing him on, 2 midfielders at centre half and not the quickest either. Problem was we didnt get much chance to test that’s the one time we did (at 1-1) Zambo took too long to play the ball but that happens.

My only gripe is why turn your back, face the ball jump and take it in the face. I would have taken a point before the game so not overly down about it, is a point i didnt expect
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Craven Mad on December 13, 2020, 06:49:10 PM
Didn’t he get a red last time we brought him on?
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: LC on December 13, 2020, 06:49:33 PM
I personally believe if you’re in a wall you face the ball and jump. You don’t turn away, you take it in the face if you have to, never been a fan of players turning their backs. Either way very harsh penalty
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Enigma on December 13, 2020, 06:53:57 PM
Liverpool looked incredibly fragile at the back and kept making mistakes, Kamara is the sort of player to run at players and force those errors. Looking at the bench the only other option was Kebano.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: fulhamben on December 13, 2020, 06:55:25 PM
Didn’t he get a red last time we brought him on?
no
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: General on December 13, 2020, 06:57:43 PM
Why bring Kamara on? Should have given Tom a chance.

Or Neeskens. Kamara is purely for pace and little else. He can score, but he doesn't have good technique or hold up play. Think Cairney could've been a good shout as whilst I prefer RLC in the AM position, Cairney has enough ability to hold up play and play a pass, which I think is what we needed.

Think Parker got the subs wrong. Not necessarily taking the players off (lemina looked not match fit towards the end), but who he put on. Cairney, Reed and Neeskens.

We need to get in more quality in depth in the attacking third in January.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: rebel on December 13, 2020, 07:02:40 PM
Kamara had that 'Rawness' about his game, now he's more disciplined but has lost that 'Rawness', that in effect was the thing I looked forward to seeing. He had the ability to change matches. These days not so much.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: LittleErn on December 13, 2020, 07:03:10 PM
Why bring Kamara on? Should have given Tom a chance.

Or Neeskens. Kamara is purely for pace and little else. He can score, but he doesn't have good technique or hold up play. Think Cairney could've been a good shout as whilst I prefer RLC in the AM position, Cairney has enough ability to hold up play and play a pass, which I think is what we needed.

Think Parker got the subs wrong. Not necessarily taking the players off (lemina looked not match fit towards the end), but who he put on. Cairney, Reed and Neeskens.

We need to get in more quality in depth in the attacking third in January.

agreed
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Arthur on December 13, 2020, 07:10:01 PM
A shame about the impact the substitution had on the match. Cavaleiro drops back and gives away a needless free kick from which Kamara concedes a needless penalty. The moment in added time when Kamara ran 15 yards offside without realising that he was makes me think he hasn't enough nous for this league.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: fulhamben on December 13, 2020, 07:17:32 PM
A shame about the impact the substitution had on the match. Cavaleiro drops back and gives away a needless free kick from which Kamara concedes a needless penalty. The moment in added time when Kamara ran 15 yards offside without realising that he was makes me think he hasn't enough nous for this league.
or as anyone who has ever played the game will say, kamara made a great run but anguissa took far to long to play the pass. if anguissa looks up early and plays the ball then kamara is in. strikers cant just wait for the pass and then make the run, you have to gamble, and zambo didnt respond
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Craven Mad on December 13, 2020, 07:29:22 PM
Didn’t he get a red last time we brought him on?
no

Just checked. Last game he came on was 19 mins against Man City (for which Whoscored gave him a rating of 5.95) it was his appearance before that where he got a red against palace.

Like it or not, he wasn’t good enough for a second rate Turkish team and he’s not good enough for us. Liability
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: MikeCdawg on December 13, 2020, 07:31:30 PM
When I seen kamara was coming on, I said  myself "he's going to cost us points here"
I wasn't sure how exactly. But I was right. He's a liability
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Arthur on December 13, 2020, 07:55:58 PM
A shame about the impact the substitution had on the match. Cavaleiro drops back and gives away a needless free kick from which Kamara concedes a needless penalty. The moment in added time when Kamara ran 15 yards offside without realising that he was makes me think he hasn't enough nous for this league.

or as anyone who has ever played the game will say, kamara made a great run but anguissa took far to long to play the pass. if anguissa looks up early and plays the ball then kamara is in. strikers cant just wait for the pass and then make the run, you have to gamble, and zambo didnt respond

Not the 'you-haven't-played-the-game-so-you-can't-know-what-you're-on-about' line.

It's simply untrue that only someone who has 'played the game' can interpret what he sees. (Nevertheless, do tell me your credentials: if they're anything less than having played first XI football for a professional club, surely your remark will seem even more baseless.)

Irrespective of whether Anguissa delayed the pass, Kamara ran into an offside position and just kept on running, oblivious to the fact he was running further and further offside.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: fulhamben on December 13, 2020, 08:04:16 PM
A shame about the impact the substitution had on the match. Cavaleiro drops back and gives away a needless free kick from which Kamara concedes a needless penalty. The moment in added time when Kamara ran 15 yards offside without realising that he was makes me think he hasn't enough nous for this league.

or as anyone who has ever played the game will say, kamara made a great run but anguissa took far to long to play the pass. if anguissa looks up early and plays the ball then kamara is in. strikers cant just wait for the pass and then make the run, you have to gamble, and zambo didnt respond

Not the 'you-haven't-played-the-game-so-you-can't-know-what-you're-on-about' line.

It's simply untrue that only someone who has 'played the game' can interpret what he sees. (Nevertheless, do tell me your credentials: if they're anything less than having played first XI football for a professional club, surely your remark will seem even more baseless.)

Irrespective of whether Anguissa delayed the pass, Kamara ran into an offside position and just kept on running, oblivious to the fact he was running further and further offside.
so he was either playing to the whistle, or time wasting, by not allowing liverpool to take an early kick. it was a great run, with a poorly timed pass. i get why zambo probably took so long, we havent played with a striker for so long that he wont be used to them making good runs.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Bill2 on December 13, 2020, 08:06:47 PM
He was what he does best. He was a nuisance putting pressure on the Liverpool defence. Caused them problems and we needed his legs as a number of the players were certainly struggling  but they had put in a fantastic shift.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Steven Ageroad on December 13, 2020, 08:14:37 PM
A shame about the impact the substitution had on the match. Cavaleiro drops back and gives away a needless free kick from which Kamara concedes a needless penalty. The moment in added time when Kamara ran 15 yards offside without realising that he was makes me think he hasn't enough nous for this league.

or as anyone who has ever played the game will say, kamara made a great run but anguissa took far to long to play the pass. if anguissa looks up early and plays the ball then kamara is in. strikers cant just wait for the pass and then make the run, you have to gamble, and zambo didnt respond

Not the 'you-haven't-played-the-game-so-you-can't-know-what-you're-on-about' line.

It's simply untrue that only someone who has 'played the game' can interpret what he sees. (Nevertheless, do tell me your credentials: if they're anything less than having played first XI football for a professional club, surely your remark will seem even more baseless.)

Irrespective of whether Anguissa delayed the pass, Kamara ran into an offside position and just kept on running, oblivious to the fact he was running further and further offside.
so he was either playing to the whistle, or time wasting, by not allowing liverpool to take an early kick. it was a great run, with a poorly timed pass. i get why zambo probably took so long, we havent played with a striker for so long that he wont be used to them making good runs.

Arthur you’re wasting your time arguing, Ben is the Chairman of the Kamara fan club!
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: fulhamben on December 13, 2020, 08:17:10 PM
A shame about the impact the substitution had on the match. Cavaleiro drops back and gives away a needless free kick from which Kamara concedes a needless penalty. The moment in added time when Kamara ran 15 yards offside without realising that he was makes me think he hasn't enough nous for this league.

or as anyone who has ever played the game will say, kamara made a great run but anguissa took far to long to play the pass. if anguissa looks up early and plays the ball then kamara is in. strikers cant just wait for the pass and then make the run, you have to gamble, and zambo didnt respond

Not the 'you-haven't-played-the-game-so-you-can't-know-what-you're-on-about' line.

It's simply untrue that only someone who has 'played the game' can interpret what he sees. (Nevertheless, do tell me your credentials: if they're anything less than having played first XI football for a professional club, surely your remark will seem even more baseless.)

Irrespective of whether Anguissa delayed the pass, Kamara ran into an offside position and just kept on running, oblivious to the fact he was running further and further offside.
so he was either playing to the whistle, or time wasting, by not allowing liverpool to take an early kick. it was a great run, with a poorly timed pass. i get why zambo probably took so long, we havent played with a striker for so long that he wont be used to them making good runs.

Arthur you’re wasting your time arguing, Ben is the Chairman of the Kamara fan club!
not at all, if criticism is fair, then kamara deserves all that he is owed. i just dont see how you can criticise a pacey striker for making a great run that the midfielder didnt pick out. just seems rather silly to me 
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Craven Mad on December 13, 2020, 08:23:30 PM
A shame about the impact the substitution had on the match. Cavaleiro drops back and gives away a needless free kick from which Kamara concedes a needless penalty. The moment in added time when Kamara ran 15 yards offside without realising that he was makes me think he hasn't enough nous for this league.

or as anyone who has ever played the game will say, kamara made a great run but anguissa took far to long to play the pass. if anguissa looks up early and plays the ball then kamara is in. strikers cant just wait for the pass and then make the run, you have to gamble, and zambo didnt respond

Not the 'you-haven't-played-the-game-so-you-can't-know-what-you're-on-about' line.

It's simply untrue that only someone who has 'played the game' can interpret what he sees. (Nevertheless, do tell me your credentials: if they're anything less than having played first XI football for a professional club, surely your remark will seem even more baseless.)

Irrespective of whether Anguissa delayed the pass, Kamara ran into an offside position and just kept on running, oblivious to the fact he was running further and further offside.
so he was either playing to the whistle, or time wasting, by not allowing liverpool to take an early kick. it was a great run, with a poorly timed pass. i get why zambo probably took so long, we havent played with a striker for so long that he wont be used to them making good runs.

Arthur you’re wasting your time arguing, Ben is the Chairman of the Kamara fan club!
not at all, if criticism is fair, then kamara deserves all that he is owed. i just dont see how you can criticise a pacey striker for making a great run that the midfielder didnt pick out. just seems rather silly to me 

Clever strikers bend their runs. Good strikers score goals. Kamara is neither a clever striker nor a good striker.

Hopefully we bring in someone half decent in January.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Steven Ageroad on December 13, 2020, 08:25:05 PM
A shame about the impact the substitution had on the match. Cavaleiro drops back and gives away a needless free kick from which Kamara concedes a needless penalty. The moment in added time when Kamara ran 15 yards offside without realising that he was makes me think he hasn't enough nous for this league.

or as anyone who has ever played the game will say, kamara made a great run but anguissa took far to long to play the pass. if anguissa looks up early and plays the ball then kamara is in. strikers cant just wait for the pass and then make the run, you have to gamble, and zambo didnt respond

Not the 'you-haven't-played-the-game-so-you-can't-know-what-you're-on-about' line.

It's simply untrue that only someone who has 'played the game' can interpret what he sees. (Nevertheless, do tell me your credentials: if they're anything less than having played first XI football for a professional club, surely your remark will seem even more baseless.)

Irrespective of whether Anguissa delayed the pass, Kamara ran into an offside position and just kept on running, oblivious to the fact he was running further and further offside.
so he was either playing to the whistle, or time wasting, by not allowing liverpool to take an early kick. it was a great run, with a poorly timed pass. i get why zambo probably took so long, we havent played with a striker for so long that he wont be used to them making good runs.

Arthur you’re wasting your time arguing, Ben is the Chairman of the Kamara fan club!
not at all, if criticism is fair, then kamara deserves all that he is owed. i just dont see how you can criticise a pacey striker for making a great run that the midfielder didnt pick out. just seems rather silly to me 

He went to soon, he didn’t look across the line to see if he was in line with the defenders, he was way, way off side.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Matt10 on December 13, 2020, 08:25:45 PM
I haven't visited in a while. Annoying reading threads like these that are so cliche and obvious at their easy targets. Anyone who played v Liverpool today deserves MOTM. It was a team effort, and we should be very proud.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: fulhamben on December 13, 2020, 08:27:29 PM
A shame about the impact the substitution had on the match. Cavaleiro drops back and gives away a needless free kick from which Kamara concedes a needless penalty. The moment in added time when Kamara ran 15 yards offside without realising that he was makes me think he hasn't enough nous for this league.

or as anyone who has ever played the game will say, kamara made a great run but anguissa took far to long to play the pass. if anguissa looks up early and plays the ball then kamara is in. strikers cant just wait for the pass and then make the run, you have to gamble, and zambo didnt respond

Not the 'you-haven't-played-the-game-so-you-can't-know-what-you're-on-about' line.

It's simply untrue that only someone who has 'played the game' can interpret what he sees. (Nevertheless, do tell me your credentials: if they're anything less than having played first XI football for a professional club, surely your remark will seem even more baseless.)

Irrespective of whether Anguissa delayed the pass, Kamara ran into an offside position and just kept on running, oblivious to the fact he was running further and further offside.
so he was either playing to the whistle, or time wasting, by not allowing liverpool to take an early kick. it was a great run, with a poorly timed pass. i get why zambo probably took so long, we havent played with a striker for so long that he wont be used to them making good runs.

Arthur you’re wasting your time arguing, Ben is the Chairman of the Kamara fan club!
not at all, if criticism is fair, then kamara deserves all that he is owed. i just dont see how you can criticise a pacey striker for making a great run that the midfielder didnt pick out. just seems rather silly to me 

He went to soon, he didn’t look across the line to see if he was in line with the defenders, he was way, way off side.
he went to soon? he made a run hoping the midfielder would pick him out.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Baszab on December 13, 2020, 08:29:31 PM
Total nonsense to blame AK
I was at the game and he did loads of running across and covering after RLC was knackered
Criticism of the fact that he went early is nonsense
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Arthur on December 13, 2020, 08:35:15 PM
Irrespective of whether Anguissa delayed the pass, Kamara ran into an offside position and just kept on running, oblivious to the fact he was running further and further offside.

so he was either playing to the whistle, or time wasting, by not allowing liverpool to take an early kick.

Kamara can only be said to be 'playing to the whistle' if Anguissa has already passed the ball. Up to that moment, a player with more awareness checks his initial run to try to stay onside for whenever the pass eventually comes. (Fancy someone who's supposedly 'played the game' not knowing this.)

As for Kamara not allowing Liverpool to take a quick free-kick: you're clutching at straws with this. Are you even sure a free kick was awarded? Anguissa's ball went through to Becker. Didn't play simply continue? Whatever happened, Kamara's run had no impact on what Liverpool did next.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: bobbo on December 13, 2020, 08:38:28 PM
Didn’t he get a red last time we brought him on?
no

Just checked. Last game he came on was 19 mins against Man City (for which Whoscored gave him a rating of 5.95) it was his appearance before that where he got a red against palace.

Like it or not, he wasn’t good enough for a second rate Turkish team and he’s not good enough for us. Liability
so true
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: fulhamben on December 13, 2020, 08:41:41 PM
Irrespective of whether Anguissa delayed the pass, Kamara ran into an offside position and just kept on running, oblivious to the fact he was running further and further offside.

so he was either playing to the whistle, or time wasting, by not allowing liverpool to take an early kick.

Kamara can only be said to be 'playing to the whistle' if Anguissa has already passed the ball. Up to that moment, a player with more awareness checks his initial run to try to stay onside for whenever the pass eventually comes. (Fancy someone who's supposedly 'played the game' not knowing this.)

As for Kamara not allowing Liverpool to take a quick free-kick: you're clutching at straws with this. Are you even sure a free kick was awarded? Anguissa's ball went through to Becker. Didn't play simply continue? Whatever happened, Kamara's run had no impact on what Liverpool did next.
yes it did. the ref could have easily played on if kamara checks his run and allisson comes out to get it.  and you say im clutching at straws, yet you are lambasting the third quickest player in the league, for travelling a whole 15 yards past the back line because zambo didnt pick the pass quick enough. how crap was cav for kicking the ball at allsion twice when clean through. tosin? he missed two sitter. did rlc even manage a shot? not great for our central man.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Hoppus on December 13, 2020, 08:42:07 PM
Kamara came on gave away the penalty - did little else (Mitro did the same...)



He was awful.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: fulhamben on December 13, 2020, 08:43:33 PM
A shame about the impact the substitution had on the match. Cavaleiro drops back and gives away a needless free kick from which Kamara concedes a needless penalty. The moment in added time when Kamara ran 15 yards offside without realising that he was makes me think he hasn't enough nous for this league.

or as anyone who has ever played the game will say, kamara made a great run but anguissa took far to long to play the pass. if anguissa looks up early and plays the ball then kamara is in. strikers cant just wait for the pass and then make the run, you have to gamble, and zambo didnt respond

Not the 'you-haven't-played-the-game-so-you-can't-know-what-you're-on-about' line.

It's simply untrue that only someone who has 'played the game' can interpret what he sees. (Nevertheless, do tell me your credentials: if they're anything less than having played first XI football for a professional club, surely your remark will seem even more baseless.)

Irrespective of whether Anguissa delayed the pass, Kamara ran into an offside position and just kept on running, oblivious to the fact he was running further and further offside.
so he was either playing to the whistle, or time wasting, by not allowing liverpool to take an early kick. it was a great run, with a poorly timed pass. i get why zambo probably took so long, we havent played with a striker for so long that he wont be used to them making good runs.

Arthur you’re wasting your time arguing, Ben is the Chairman of the Kamara fan club!
not at all, if criticism is fair, then kamara deserves all that he is owed. i just dont see how you can criticise a pacey striker for making a great run that the midfielder didnt pick out. just seems rather silly to me 

Clever strikers bend their runs. Good strikers score goals. Kamara is neither a clever striker nor a good striker.

Hopefully we bring in someone half decent in January.
clever strikers do bend their run and will run into an offside position at least a dozen times again, its just usually the camera doesnt follow the run if the pass isnt played
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Craven Mad on December 13, 2020, 08:48:55 PM
Ben, I’m sensing that I (nor any of the other posters) will be able to convince you that Abou isn’t the superstar you think he is.

However, I commend you on your unwavering support of one of our players - I may not agree with your analysis, but I do respect your appreciation of one of our less-loved stars.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: junior white on December 13, 2020, 08:49:35 PM
A shame about the impact the substitution had on the match. Cavaleiro drops back and gives away a needless free kick from which Kamara concedes a needless penalty. The moment in added time when Kamara ran 15 yards offside without realising that he was makes me think he hasn't enough nous for this league.

or as anyone who has ever played the game will say, kamara made a great run but anguissa took far to long to play the pass. if anguissa looks up early and plays the ball then kamara is in. strikers cant just wait for the pass and then make the run, you have to gamble, and zambo didnt respond

Not the 'you-haven't-played-the-game-so-you-can't-know-what-you're-on-about' line.

It's simply untrue that only someone who has 'played the game' can interpret what he sees. (Nevertheless, do tell me your credentials: if they're anything less than having played first XI football for a professional club, surely your remark will seem even more baseless.)

Irrespective of whether Anguissa delayed the pass, Kamara ran into an offside position and just kept on running, oblivious to the fact he was running further and further offside.
so he was either playing to the whistle, or time wasting, by not allowing liverpool to take an early kick. it was a great run, with a poorly timed pass. i get why zambo probably took so long, we havent played with a striker for so long that he wont be used to them making good runs.
Agree, Zambo had to play it earlier, wa sone of his only mistakes in the game, if that pass comes then there is a chance bug it is what it is, a good point all in all
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Mullers OG on December 13, 2020, 08:50:00 PM
We are all entitled to have an opinion. In my opinion he is fundamentally useless and should be off loaded ASAP for anything the club can get for him.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: junior white on December 13, 2020, 08:51:11 PM
Ben, I’m sensing that I (nor any of the other posters) will be able to convince you that Abou isn’t the superstar you think he is.

However, I commend you on your unwavering support of one of our players - I may not agree with your analysis, but I do respect your appreciation of one of our less-loved stars.
I personally do not think he is a superstar, but the run was a good one, the pass came too late.

The penalty well they happen, the rules are what they are these days. His mistake was jumping and turning his back, let it hit you in the face, the play stops then if your hurt.

As i say it is what it is, but we got an unexpected point, in fact maybe even 4 unexpected points from the last 3 games
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: fulhamben on December 13, 2020, 08:52:11 PM
Ben, I’m sensing that I (nor any of the other posters) will be able to convince you that Abou isn’t the superstar you think he is.

However, I commend you on your unwavering support of one of our players - I may not agree with your analysis, but I do respect your appreciation of one of our less-loved stars.
not un waivering support, just cant believe he is being digged out for making a run zambo didnt spot.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: alfie on December 13, 2020, 08:55:17 PM
When I seen kamara was coming on, I said  myself "he's going to cost us points here"
I wasn't sure how exactly. But I was right. He's a liability
You seemed quite chuffed you think you were right.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: colinwhite on December 13, 2020, 08:55:18 PM
Great performance by one and all and Kamara has a part to play. Disappointed he turned his back in the wall when he jumped  for the pen though .  You keep the wall compact and stand strong at all costs .That was schoolboy stuff.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: 3 Cherries on December 13, 2020, 09:13:36 PM
and now he's antics with the free kick has allowed Burnley to leapfrog us (although am pleased Arsenal lost)
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Statto on December 13, 2020, 09:32:46 PM
A shame about the impact the substitution had on the match. Cavaleiro drops back and gives away a needless free kick from which Kamara concedes a needless penalty. The moment in added time when Kamara ran 15 yards offside without realising that he was makes me think he hasn't enough nous for this league.

I noticed that too. Shouldn't have turned his back in the wall, so I was already thinking 'you wally', then that offside just reinforced it.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Statto on December 13, 2020, 09:37:44 PM
A shame about the impact the substitution had on the match. Cavaleiro drops back and gives away a needless free kick from which Kamara concedes a needless penalty. The moment in added time when Kamara ran 15 yards offside without realising that he was makes me think he hasn't enough nous for this league.

or as anyone who has ever played the game will say, kamara made a great run but anguissa took far to long to play the pass. if anguissa looks up early and plays the ball then kamara is in. strikers cant just wait for the pass and then make the run, you have to gamble, and zambo didnt respond

Not the 'you-haven't-played-the-game-so-you-can't-know-what-you're-on-about' line.

It's simply untrue that only someone who has 'played the game' can interpret what he sees. (Nevertheless, do tell me your credentials: if they're anything less than having played first XI football for a professional club, surely your remark will seem even more baseless.)

Irrespective of whether Anguissa delayed the pass, Kamara ran into an offside position and just kept on running, oblivious to the fact he was running further and further offside.
so he was either playing to the whistle, or time wasting, by not allowing liverpool to take an early kick. it was a great run, with a poorly timed pass. i get why zambo probably took so long, we havent played with a striker for so long that he wont be used to them making good runs.

Arthur you’re wasting your time arguing, Ben is the Chairman of the Kamara fan club!
not at all, if criticism is fair, then kamara deserves all that he is owed. i just dont see how you can criticise a pacey striker for making a great run that the midfielder didnt pick out. just seems rather silly to me 

He went to soon, he didn’t look across the line to see if he was in line with the defenders, he was way, way off side.
he went to soon? he made a run hoping the midfielder would pick him out.

Why run before the ball is played though? He's lightning, had fresh legs, and the defender is facing the other way and needs to turn. If he hangs on the defender's shoulder and runs when Anguissa releases the ball, he's in. No need to move any sooner.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: rebel on December 13, 2020, 09:41:10 PM
A shame about the impact the substitution had on the match. Cavaleiro drops back and gives away a needless free kick from which Kamara concedes a needless penalty. The moment in added time when Kamara ran 15 yards offside without realising that he was makes me think he hasn't enough nous for this league.

He's played in the Prem before, had a 'purple patch' under Joka in the Prem, then got injured. It's like he's given up.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Arthur on December 13, 2020, 09:50:26 PM
i just dont see how you can criticise a pacey striker for making a great run that the midfielder didnt pick out. just seems rather silly to me 

I didn't criticise his run per se. My first contribution said that his inability to realise he was so far offside made me doubt his footballing nous. There is a difference.

Anguissa's ball went through to Becker. Didn't play simply continue? Whatever happened, Kamara's run had no impact on what Liverpool did next.

yes it did. the ref could have easily played on if kamara checks his run and allisson comes out to get it.

I think the referee did exactly that: Becker had the ball so the referee played on.

... and you say im clutching at straws, yet you are lambasting the third quickest player in the league, for travelling a whole 15 yards past the back line because zambo didnt pick the pass quick enough. how crap was cav for kicking the ball at allsion twice when clean through. tosin? he missed two sitter. did rlc even manage a shot? not great for our central man.

If this were a topic about either Cavaleiro or Adabayeiro's failure to score, that is what we would be discussing. But it's not. Your attempt to drag these events into the this thread to imply I am being unfair on Kamara is, in itself, unfair.

In all likelihood, had you not made your 'you haven't played the game' comment, I doubt I would have replied. Perhaps it was just a throw-away remark on your part, but you can't expect me to defer to your opinion just because you've played a bit of minor league football.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: fulhamben on December 13, 2020, 09:55:50 PM
i just dont see how you can criticise a pacey striker for making a great run that the midfielder didnt pick out. just seems rather silly to me 

I didn't criticise his run per se. My first contribution said that his inability to realise he was so far offside made me doubt his footballing nous. There is a difference.

Anguissa's ball went through to Becker. Didn't play simply continue? Whatever happened, Kamara's run had no impact on what Liverpool did next.

yes it did. the ref could have easily played on if kamara checks his run and allisson comes out to get it.

I think the referee did exactly that: Becker had the ball so the referee played on.

... and you say im clutching at straws, yet you are lambasting the third quickest player in the league, for travelling a whole 15 yards past the back line because zambo didnt pick the pass quick enough. how crap was cav for kicking the ball at allsion twice when clean through. tosin? he missed two sitter. did rlc even manage a shot? not great for our central man.

If this were a topic about either Cavaleiro or Adabayeiro's failure to score, that is what we would be discussing. But it's not. Your attempt to drag these events into the this thread to imply I am being unfair on Kamara is, in itself, unfair.

In all likelihood, had you not made your 'you haven't played the game' comment, I doubt I would have replied. Perhaps it was just a throw-away remark on your part, but you can't expect me to defer to your opinion just because you've played a bit of minor league football.
you don’t think missing sitters is worse than making a run?
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: karldutton on December 13, 2020, 10:17:04 PM
Didn’t he get a red last time we brought him on?
Not last time but the previous game
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: 70sPimlico on December 13, 2020, 10:26:16 PM
Really out of order thread title.

Players read this sort of stuff.

Personally I have no idea why a Fulham fan would post anything like this
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: SouthIslandWhite on December 13, 2020, 11:37:20 PM
Sorry, I have to admit that I have never been an AK47 fan. That said, I thought that he showed a bit of good hustle down some of those left side channels, but overall he did more damage than good.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Somerset Fulham on December 14, 2020, 12:01:34 AM
I won't lay blame at his door, or make him the scapegoat of the week, but he has never, ever been good enough.

Its as simple as that.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Andy S on December 14, 2020, 02:29:18 AM
Leicester Man City and Liverpool, I would have take 4 points from those games before we had kicked a ball.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: perry geyton on December 14, 2020, 02:38:27 AM
Kamara the scapegoat F sake he had nothing to do with the free kick
Get a grip

Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: RaySmith on December 14, 2020, 04:52:16 AM
You can't blame Kamara for the pen, it hit his arm, raised because he was jumping, even though he half turned as the ball came at him, and his arm wasn't   stretched out to the ball -  a natural response like everyone else's in the wall, and all players in walls in every game.

Completely ridiculous pen.
So now players  have to jump in walls with their arms  by the sides.

Ridiculous.

The ref was blatantly biased, and i don't use  those words lightly.

Missed motd, but just seen on the BBC site, that the pundits praised the ref, thought he  was very good!!!!!
No-one can tell me that that our first pen appeal, which ref looked at for about 10 minutes, wasn't a pen.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: rebel on December 14, 2020, 06:41:19 AM
You can't blame Kamara for the pen, it hit his arm, raised because he was jumping, even though he half turned as the ball came at him, and his arm wasn't   stretched out to the ball -  a natural response like everyone else's in the wall, and all players in walls in every game.

Completely ridiculous pen.
So now players  have to jump in walls with their arms  by the sides.

Ridiculous.

The ref was blatantly biased, and i don't use  those words lightly.

Missed motd, but just seen on the BBC site, that the pundits praised the ref, thought he  was very good!!!!!
No-one can tell me that that our first pen appeal, which ref looked at for about 10 minutes, wasn't a pen.


The thing is 'football' is his job, although part of a team. The 'Rules' are unfair, but he knows or should know the 'Rules', he transgressed the 'Rules' so the team got punished. To debate that he needs to be in that position in order to jump is a futile one. Yes he needs to get elevation, yes that would be restricted because of the 'Rules'. Trying to do a jump from a standing position is hard enough.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: bobby01 on December 14, 2020, 10:22:56 AM
You can't blame Kamara for the pen, it hit his arm, raised because he was jumping, even though he half turned as the ball came at him, and his arm wasn't   stretched out to the ball -  a natural response like everyone else's in the wall, and all players in walls in every game.

Completely ridiculous pen.
So now players  have to jump in walls with their arms  by the sides.

Ridiculous.

The ref was blatantly biased, and i don't use  those words lightly.

Missed motd, but just seen on the BBC site, that the pundits praised the ref, thought he  was very good!!!!!
No-one can tell me that that our first pen appeal, which ref looked at for about 10 minutes, wasn't a pen.

The pundits Alex Scott who seems to be everywhere on tv and jenarse who is also appearing everywhere say it was a penalty for them, then Jenarse says Fabinho got the man before the ball but he does not want games run by var, the ref should overrule it. Garth crooks says in team of the week on Bobby Reid no penalty to them definite one to us.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: filham on December 14, 2020, 10:44:21 AM
With Parker's present tactics he needs pace up front so Cav. and Kamara have to feature. We need to dip into the transfer market in early January.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: MJG on December 14, 2020, 01:28:47 PM
A shame about the impact the substitution had on the match. Cavaleiro drops back and gives away a needless free kick from which Kamara concedes a needless penalty. The moment in added time when Kamara ran 15 yards offside without realising that he was makes me think he hasn't enough nous for this league.

I noticed that too. Shouldn't have turned his back in the wall, so I was already thinking 'you wally', then that offside just reinforced it.
For a bit of balance 3 players in that wall jumped and turned

(https://i.ibb.co/5RNWgTw/ffc6.jpg)
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: rebel on December 14, 2020, 01:36:45 PM
A shame about the impact the substitution had on the match. Cavaleiro drops back and gives away a needless free kick from which Kamara concedes a needless penalty. The moment in added time when Kamara ran 15 yards offside without realising that he was makes me think he hasn't enough nous for this league.

I noticed that too. Shouldn't have turned his back in the wall, so I was already thinking 'you wally', then that offside just reinforced it.
For a bit of balance 3 players in that wall jumped and turned

(https://i.ibb.co/5RNWgTw/ffc6.jpg)

Yep, but it hit Kamara, they all know the Rules, they must practice defending free kicks in training ground sessions.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: MJG on December 14, 2020, 01:47:12 PM
Great performance by one and all and Kamara has a part to play. Disappointed he turned his back in the wall when he jumped  for the pen though .  You keep the wall compact and stand strong at all costs .That was schoolboy stuff.
The instructions are for all to jump, thats why the lad lays on the ground and as I show below 3 turned their backs
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: MJG on December 14, 2020, 01:49:15 PM
A shame about the impact the substitution had on the match. Cavaleiro drops back and gives away a needless free kick from which Kamara concedes a needless penalty. The moment in added time when Kamara ran 15 yards offside without realising that he was makes me think he hasn't enough nous for this league.

I noticed that too. Shouldn't have turned his back in the wall, so I was already thinking 'you wally', then that offside just reinforced it.
For a bit of balance 3 players in that wall jumped and turned

(https://i.ibb.co/5RNWgTw/ffc6.jpg)

Yep, but it hit Kamara, they all know the Rules, they must practice defending free kicks in training ground sessions.
Amnd it hit Kamara, and if it had hit Cav would we have a thread about how hes to blame, or if it pearolled towards lookman on the floor and hit his arm?

Its an unfair penalty against whoever and some on here who hate...and yes thats the word....Kamara just have another stick to hit him with.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Dr Quinzel on December 14, 2020, 02:00:47 PM
Kamara came on gave away the penalty - did little else (Mitro did the same...)

You kind of knew it would happen. Although I don't blame him - one of those things where I don't like the rule and he is a victim of a rule that isn't in the spirit of the game. But yeah, as soon as I saw it was AK coming, you just sort of knew it was either going to end in heroics or tears- no inbetween! And I knew we'd see this post too.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: toshes mate on December 14, 2020, 02:20:37 PM
A shame about the impact the substitution had on the match. Cavaleiro drops back and gives away a needless free kick from which Kamara concedes a needless penalty. The moment in added time when Kamara ran 15 yards offside without realising that he was makes me think he hasn't enough nous for this league.

I noticed that too. Shouldn't have turned his back in the wall, so I was already thinking 'you wally', then that offside just reinforced it.
For a bit of balance 3 players in that wall jumped and turned

(https://i.ibb.co/5RNWgTw/ffc6.jpg)

Yep, but it hit Kamara, they all know the Rules, they must practice defending free kicks in training ground sessions.
Amnd it hit Kamara, and if it had hit Cav would we have a thread about how hes to blame, or if it pearolled towards lookman on the floor and hit his arm?

Its an unfair penalty against whoever and some on here who hate...and yes thats the word....Kamara just have another stick to hit him with.
Thanks for really sensible posts, MJG, on a thread loaded with undeserved nastiness.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: mrmicawbers on December 14, 2020, 02:33:20 PM
Never look at things that happen  from that perspective.Maybe there's no penalty whats to say Liverpool go on to score anyway.Or we get our penalty and then miss and our heads drop and Liverpool go on to win.The main thing is it was a great performance and will spur us on for the rest of the season.Looking forward to our games now bring it on.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Sting of the North on December 14, 2020, 05:24:01 PM
A shame about the impact the substitution had on the match. Cavaleiro drops back and gives away a needless free kick from which Kamara concedes a needless penalty. The moment in added time when Kamara ran 15 yards offside without realising that he was makes me think he hasn't enough nous for this league.

I noticed that too. Shouldn't have turned his back in the wall, so I was already thinking 'you wally', then that offside just reinforced it.
For a bit of balance 3 players in that wall jumped and turned

(https://i.ibb.co/5RNWgTw/ffc6.jpg)

Yep, but it hit Kamara, they all know the Rules, they must practice defending free kicks in training ground sessions.
Amnd it hit Kamara, and if it had hit Cav would we have a thread about how hes to blame, or if it pearolled towards lookman on the floor and hit his arm?

Its an unfair penalty against whoever and some on here who hate...and yes thats the word....Kamara just have another stick to hit him with.
Thanks for really sensible posts, MJG, on a thread loaded with undeserved nastiness.

 :plus one:
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Twig on December 14, 2020, 06:11:57 PM
I really don't think you can blame AK for the pen. He jumped as instructed and turned as many do in that situation. Neither do I think he did that badly during his relatively short time on the pitch.
That said he wouldn't have been my choice of sub in the circumstances, I would have used TC to try to give us more control in midfield.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: alfie on December 14, 2020, 06:21:05 PM
As for running 15 yards offside, he was right to make the run, Anguissa just did not release the ball early enough.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: rebel on December 14, 2020, 06:51:05 PM
A shame about the impact the substitution had on the match. Cavaleiro drops back and gives away a needless free kick from which Kamara concedes a needless penalty. The moment in added time when Kamara ran 15 yards offside without realising that he was makes me think he hasn't enough nous for this league.

I noticed that too. Shouldn't have turned his back in the wall, so I was already thinking 'you wally', then that offside just reinforced it.
For a bit of balance 3 players in that wall jumped and turned

(https://i.ibb.co/5RNWgTw/ffc6.jpg)

Yep, but it hit Kamara, they all know the Rules, they must practice defending free kicks in training ground sessions.
Amnd it hit Kamara, and if it had hit Cav would we have a thread about how hes to blame, or if it pearolled towards lookman on the floor and hit his arm?

Its an unfair penalty against whoever and some on here who hate...and yes thats the word....Kamara just have another stick to hit him with.

Well, it's a forum, we could all start threads where we all concentrate on all the positives, where the negative aspects of the game are totally ignored. As for players reading threads / forum and negative comments, that's 'part and parcel' of being a footballer. There is no other occupation where you get paid £30,000 per week, under perform and get to keep your job.   
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: epsomraver on December 14, 2020, 09:12:13 PM
Can't blame him for the penalty but apart from that was a headless chicken and offered very little.
is that a joke, won every single header, probably had well over 90% passing accuracy and was winning tackles as well as actually closing down at pace. he did well when he came on.
0001.jpeg 0001.jpeg people just get a down on a player and can't help moaning, if he is so crap why does Parker play him?
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: MJG on December 14, 2020, 09:18:24 PM
Can't blame him for the penalty but apart from that was a headless chicken and offered very little.
is that a joke, won every single header, probably had well over 90% passing accuracy and was winning tackles as well as actually closing down at pace. he did well when he came on.
0001.jpeg 0001.jpeg people just get a down on a player and can't help moaning, if he is so crap why does Parker play him?
I like the fact that in two playoff finals with two different managers he started each game.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: rebel on December 14, 2020, 09:28:10 PM
Can't blame him for the penalty but apart from that was a headless chicken and offered very little.
is that a joke, won every single header, probably had well over 90% passing accuracy and was winning tackles as well as actually closing down at pace. he did well when he came on.
0001.jpeg 0001.jpeg people just get a down on a player and can't help moaning, if he is so crap why does Parker play him?
I like the fact that in two playoff finals with two different managers he started each game.

At the moment, he's lost his 'sparkle', he's been given opportunities, why isn't he a 'regular starter?'
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: MikeCdawg on December 14, 2020, 11:02:18 PM
Even if kamara collected the ball from an inside position, he would have missed the opportunity anyway. Pointless argument.
We need someone better for backup
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Statto on December 15, 2020, 12:15:16 AM
A shame about the impact the substitution had on the match. Cavaleiro drops back and gives away a needless free kick from which Kamara concedes a needless penalty. The moment in added time when Kamara ran 15 yards offside without realising that he was makes me think he hasn't enough nous for this league.

I noticed that too. Shouldn't have turned his back in the wall, so I was already thinking 'you wally', then that offside just reinforced it.
For a bit of balance 3 players in that wall jumped and turned

(https://i.ibb.co/5RNWgTw/ffc6.jpg)

For a bit more balance, the others are only half-turned (only number you can see in that picture is 47) and they also have their arms tucked in. Souness actually said something similar post match - he said Anguissa did what he's supposed to (ok he's further from the ball, but you can see his arm across his body in that picture, in contrast to Kamara, whose arm in the full footage is way out to the side) and that showed why Kamara was wrong.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: kiwian on December 15, 2020, 03:09:02 AM
A shame about the impact the substitution had on the match. Cavaleiro drops back and gives away a needless free kick from which Kamara concedes a needless penalty. The moment in added time when Kamara ran 15 yards offside without realising that he was makes me think he hasn't enough nous for this league.

I noticed that too. Shouldn't have turned his back in the wall, so I was already thinking 'you wally', then that offside just reinforced it.
For a bit of balance 3 players in that wall jumped and turned

(https://i.ibb.co/5RNWgTw/ffc6.jpg)

Yep, but it hit Kamara, they all know the Rules, they must practice defending free kicks in training ground sessions.
Amnd it hit Kamara, and if it had hit Cav would we have a thread about how hes to blame, or if it pearolled towards lookman on the floor and hit his arm?

Its an unfair penalty against whoever and some on here who hate...and yes thats the word....Kamara just have another stick to hit him with.
Thanks for really sensible posts, MJG, on a thread loaded with undeserved nastiness.

 :plus one:
Totally agree, 4 pages of mostly negative comments for a player who was only on for 20 minutes or so. Give the guy a break, nobody's perfect.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: MJG on December 15, 2020, 05:46:03 AM
A shame about the impact the substitution had on the match. Cavaleiro drops back and gives away a needless free kick from which Kamara concedes a needless penalty. The moment in added time when Kamara ran 15 yards offside without realising that he was makes me think he hasn't enough nous for this league.

I noticed that too. Shouldn't have turned his back in the wall, so I was already thinking 'you wally', then that offside just reinforced it.
For a bit of balance 3 players in that wall jumped and turned

(https://i.ibb.co/5RNWgTw/ffc6.jpg)

For a bit more balance, the others are only half-turned (only number you can see in that picture is 47) and they also have their arms tucked in. Souness actually said something similar post match - he said Anguissa did what he's supposed to (ok he's further from the ball, but you can see his arm across his body in that picture, in contrast to Kamara, whose arm in the full footage is way out to the side) and that showed why Kamara was wrong.
by your comment then the other two are wallys as well for turning as well.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: rebel on December 15, 2020, 06:38:31 AM
A shame about the impact the substitution had on the match. Cavaleiro drops back and gives away a needless free kick from which Kamara concedes a needless penalty. The moment in added time when Kamara ran 15 yards offside without realising that he was makes me think he hasn't enough nous for this league.

I noticed that too. Shouldn't have turned his back in the wall, so I was already thinking 'you wally', then that offside just reinforced it.
For a bit of balance 3 players in that wall jumped and turned

(https://i.ibb.co/5RNWgTw/ffc6.jpg)

For a bit more balance, the others are only half-turned (only number you can see in that picture is 47) and they also have their arms tucked in. Souness actually said something similar post match - he said Anguissa did what he's supposed to (ok he's further from the ball, but you can see his arm across his body in that picture, in contrast to Kamara, whose arm in the full footage is way out to the side) and that showed why Kamara was wrong.

Agree 100% with Statto.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: Statto on December 15, 2020, 07:20:00 AM
For a bit of balance 3 players in that wall jumped and turned

(https://i.ibb.co/5RNWgTw/ffc6.jpg)

For a bit more balance, the others are only half-turned (only number you can see in that picture is 47) and they also have their arms tucked in. Souness actually said something similar post match - he said Anguissa did what he's supposed to (ok he's further from the ball, but you can see his arm across his body in that picture, in contrast to Kamara, whose arm in the full footage is way out to the side) and that showed why Kamara was wrong.
by your comment then the other two are wallys as well for turning as well.

At worst they're half wallies for only being half-turned, whereas Kamara is full wally  :005:

But materially, I don't think either of them, unlike Kamara, would have fallen foul of the new handball rule had the ball hit them, specifically the following:

'The hand/arm is clearly away from the body and outside the "body line".'
'A deflection clearly makes no difference to the ball touching a hand/arm that is clearly extended away from the body and/or above the shoulder.'


Q&A: What is the new handball rule? - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54321867

Also (this part not aimed at you) have to say I object to some of the comments about this thread being negative etc. I'm a big fan of AK47 and have generally defended him after his various mistakes in the past. But he made another mistake on Sunday, like Lookman did with the penalty the other day and all players do from time to time. No it doesn't make them bad people or useless but fans should still be able to discuss the incident on a forum IMO.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: I Ronic on December 15, 2020, 09:06:55 AM
Cav's been given a lot of playing time recently much to the disgust of a fair few on here but that game time is slowly working for him. AK gets a few minutes to make his mark and try and get more game time.
The fella needs more time and those on his case need to count to ten and move on.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: colinwhite on December 15, 2020, 12:51:20 PM
Great performance by one and all and Kamara has a part to play. Disappointed he turned his back in the wall when he jumped  for the pen though .  You keep the wall compact and stand strong at all costs .That was schoolboy stuff.
The instructions are for all to jump, thats why the lad lays on the ground and as I show below 3 turned their backs

Well you can jump of course, but never turn your back on the ball in a wall. Not having a go at Kamara , down to the coaching staff,because oour wall was a joke, and turning your back is schoolboy for me.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: colinwhite on December 15, 2020, 12:56:37 PM
Mariner never gives us anything. Wasnt it him that missed our `goal `(Kebano ) against Leeds at home in 2018 ? The ball was metre over the line and everyone in the stadium except him saw it. He just loves giving decisions against Fulham.
Title: Re: Kamara - kiss of death sub
Post by: toshes mate on December 15, 2020, 01:00:38 PM
Are the three who turn just wary of landing on Lookman when they come down ... ?