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Summer Silly Season Transfer Thread 2024

Started by jayffc, May 19, 2024, 11:52:16 AM

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hovewhite


jayffc

#1721
https://x.com/reluctantnicko/status/1815325910620426674?t=JBXeN6AMv3Zsj4JoBU-V-Q&s=19

Alan Nixon confirming bid in for Stanno, says it needs to be higher. £6m is a bit of a joke in the current climate but dont see how they have the budget for the sort of bid id hope wed hold out for. Can only imagine if we sanctioned such a deal we'd be about to splurge some serious money about on our top targets. Id like stansfield to come good but concede that he hasnt quite stepped up yet when hes had his oppurtunities before, I have some questions but am rooting for this year to be one he breaks out. Would like to see him in pre season and see how he gets on.

Talking of which ESR scored in arsenal's pre season game the other day, do hope he doesnt play his way into being stopped from leaving 🙈

KJS

Well I see this has reached 90 pages of total bollox so here's to the next 10😏


Cottages

Quote from: jayffc on July 22, 2024, 12:00:59 PMhttps://x.com/reluctantnicko/status/1815325910620426674?t=JBXeN6AMv3Zsj4JoBU-V-Q&s=19

Alan Nixon confirming bid in for Stanno, says it needs to be higher. £6m is a bit of a joke in the current climate but dont see how they have the budget for the sort of bid id hope wed hold out for. Can only imagine if we sanctioned such a deal we'd be about to splurge some serious money about on our top targets. Id like stansfield to come good but concede that he hasnt quite stepped up yet when hes had his oppurtunities before, I have some questions but am rooting for this year to be one he breaks out. Would like to see him in pre season and see how he gets on.

Talking of which ESR scored in arsenal's pre season game the other day, do hope he doesnt play his way into being stopped from leaving 🙈


Selling Stanno will go against what Silva has explicitly said publicly. If he goes, huge questions need to be asked how much power and authority Silva has - and how long he wants to deal with being undermined.

SG

Quote from: KJS on July 22, 2024, 12:47:35 PMWell I see this has reached 90 pages of total bollox so here's to the next 10😏
::wine::

FFC1987

Quote from: Cottages on July 22, 2024, 12:50:28 PM
Quote from: jayffc on July 22, 2024, 12:00:59 PMhttps://x.com/reluctantnicko/status/1815325910620426674?t=JBXeN6AMv3Zsj4JoBU-V-Q&s=19

Alan Nixon confirming bid in for Stanno, says it needs to be higher. £6m is a bit of a joke in the current climate but dont see how they have the budget for the sort of bid id hope wed hold out for. Can only imagine if we sanctioned such a deal we'd be about to splurge some serious money about on our top targets. Id like stansfield to come good but concede that he hasnt quite stepped up yet when hes had his oppurtunities before, I have some questions but am rooting for this year to be one he breaks out. Would like to see him in pre season and see how he gets on.

Talking of which ESR scored in arsenal's pre season game the other day, do hope he doesnt play his way into being stopped from leaving 🙈


Selling Stanno will go against what Silva has explicitly said publicly. If he goes, huge questions need to be asked how much power and authority Silva has - and how long he wants to deal with being undermined.

Could you ask the person who took the minutes at that transfer strategy meeting if this came up?


hovewhite

Quote from: Cottages on July 22, 2024, 12:50:28 PM
Quote from: jayffc on July 22, 2024, 12:00:59 PMhttps://x.com/reluctantnicko/status/1815325910620426674?t=JBXeN6AMv3Zsj4JoBU-V-Q&s=19

Alan Nixon confirming bid in for Stanno, says it needs to be higher. £6m is a bit of a joke in the current climate but dont see how they have the budget for the sort of bid id hope wed hold out for. Can only imagine if we sanctioned such a deal we'd be about to splurge some serious money about on our top targets. Id like stansfield to come good but concede that he hasnt quite stepped up yet when hes had his oppurtunities before, I have some questions but am rooting for this year to be one he breaks out. Would like to see him in pre season and see how he gets on.

Talking of which ESR scored in arsenal's pre season game the other day, do hope he doesnt play his way into being stopped from leaving 🙈


Selling Stanno will go against what Silva has explicitly said publicly. If he goes, huge questions need to be asked how much power and authority Silva has - and how long he wants to deal with being undermined.
that is my main concern.

junior white

Quote from: Cottages on July 22, 2024, 12:50:28 PM
Quote from: jayffc on July 22, 2024, 12:00:59 PMhttps://x.com/reluctantnicko/status/1815325910620426674?t=JBXeN6AMv3Zsj4JoBU-V-Q&s=19

Alan Nixon confirming bid in for Stanno, says it needs to be higher. £6m is a bit of a joke in the current climate but dont see how they have the budget for the sort of bid id hope wed hold out for. Can only imagine if we sanctioned such a deal we'd be about to splurge some serious money about on our top targets. Id like stansfield to come good but concede that he hasnt quite stepped up yet when hes had his oppurtunities before, I have some questions but am rooting for this year to be one he breaks out. Would like to see him in pre season and see how he gets on.

Talking of which ESR scored in arsenal's pre season game the other day, do hope he doesnt play his way into being stopped from leaving 🙈


Selling Stanno will go against what Silva has explicitly said publicly. If he goes, huge questions need to be asked how much power and authority Silva has - and how long he wants to deal with being undermined.
It does seem to go against that for sure.

Playing devils advocate, say we wished to get more money for him, saying he was part of the first team squad could possibly do that. So maybe it doesnt go against his wishes. As I say just playing devils advocate.



ElRay

If Birmingham owned Stansfield, 21yr old versatile striker coming off the back of double figures in a relegated championship side, I have no doubt they'd be premier league & high level championship clubs after his signature.

It honestly makes no sense for us to even entertain discussions about selling him, considering we just lost a versatile front man in BDR this summer

Neutral Zone Ultra

Quote from: Cottages on July 22, 2024, 12:50:28 PM
Quote from: jayffc on July 22, 2024, 12:00:59 PMhttps://x.com/reluctantnicko/status/1815325910620426674?t=JBXeN6AMv3Zsj4JoBU-V-Q&s=19

Alan Nixon confirming bid in for Stanno, says it needs to be higher. £6m is a bit of a joke in the current climate but dont see how they have the budget for the sort of bid id hope wed hold out for. Can only imagine if we sanctioned such a deal we'd be about to splurge some serious money about on our top targets. Id like stansfield to come good but concede that he hasnt quite stepped up yet when hes had his oppurtunities before, I have some questions but am rooting for this year to be one he breaks out. Would like to see him in pre season and see how he gets on.

Talking of which ESR scored in arsenal's pre season game the other day, do hope he doesnt play his way into being stopped from leaving 🙈


Selling Stanno will go against what Silva has explicitly said publicly. If he goes, huge questions need to be asked how much power and authority Silva has - and how long he wants to deal with being undermined.
Bang on, and it again raises the question of what is the point of the academy. Elliott, Roberts, Stansfield, Carvalho, O'Riley all gone for a pittance.

JimmyConway

More interesting reading will he won't he sign tittle tattle on here as opposed to Motspur Parklife back to work that has taken up the main page for the 6th day???


Drewry66

https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1815354688037847263

What are we actually doing with this?!

Aware we don't know the full details for what is going on behind the scenes but really doesn't look great from what is being reported. 

All reports say the difference in value is 5 million euros so £4.2m. I'm always defending the club for squeezing every penny out of a transfer for FFP but this is getting ridiculous. It's pretty much fact we have been chasing him for 3 windows. Pretty undisputed that Ali Mac went there personally. Their president said we have bid 10 days ago last week, they advised what they are selling him for and they haven t heard back since. What kind of urgent negotiation is that when this is such a key position that needs filling.

The whole point is are we actually going to knock this £4.2 million off the fee to make all these delays worthwhile? He is cheap anyway at £25 million and they are not going to let their prized asset go for peanuts. Sounds like he wants to go to the prem but also that he loves Fluminese and isn't going to do a Joao or Mitrovic to make it abundantly clear that he wants out so no pressure on them to sell. Seems like it is us that have changed the goal posts offering less than all previous reports in previous windows. I can only assume that as no one else now seems to be serious with Liverpool dropping out we think we can push them around. We should just count ourselves lucky they have gone as if not we'd have no chance. If someone more attractive swoops in last minute and we lose him the fan base is going to go into complete meltdown and to be fair not sure I would be saying anything against that on this one. For once just pay up for a very reasonable fee or at least frigging talk to them to negotiate paying something in the middle. All of this could have been done and in place before Joao left and we're now weeks since he has gone. Not great.

This guy isn t like buying a McTominay on deadline day. He is young and will need time to get up to prem speed so is one that needs to be in early. Come on Fulham just sort this one out if nothing else this week just to stop us losing our minds.

Sting of the North

Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on July 22, 2024, 01:29:33 PM
Quote from: Cottages on July 22, 2024, 12:50:28 PM
Quote from: jayffc on July 22, 2024, 12:00:59 PMhttps://x.com/reluctantnicko/status/1815325910620426674?t=JBXeN6AMv3Zsj4JoBU-V-Q&s=19

Alan Nixon confirming bid in for Stanno, says it needs to be higher. £6m is a bit of a joke in the current climate but dont see how they have the budget for the sort of bid id hope wed hold out for. Can only imagine if we sanctioned such a deal we'd be about to splurge some serious money about on our top targets. Id like stansfield to come good but concede that he hasnt quite stepped up yet when hes had his oppurtunities before, I have some questions but am rooting for this year to be one he breaks out. Would like to see him in pre season and see how he gets on.

Talking of which ESR scored in arsenal's pre season game the other day, do hope he doesnt play his way into being stopped from leaving 🙈


Selling Stanno will go against what Silva has explicitly said publicly. If he goes, huge questions need to be asked how much power and authority Silva has - and how long he wants to deal with being undermined.
Bang on, and it again raises the question of what is the point of the academy. Elliott, Roberts, Stansfield, Carvalho, O'Riley all gone for a pittance.

Roberts didn't go for a pittance at the time. Carvalho did, but it still paid for our investment in him and many more and gave us more FFP wiggle room. Elliott likewise went for an insultingly low amount, but still enough to pay for the academy and then some.

Stansfield is still here, by the way, and of course we won't sell him if Silva doesn't green light it.

You also seem to have forgotten Sessegnon, one of our biggest sales ever, on top of three years of service as a first team player. Likewise, Carvalho, Rodak and more have been important first team members at various points.

I believe it is crystal clear that the academy has so far been very beneficial to us.

Neutral Zone Ultra

Quote from: Sting of the North on July 22, 2024, 01:46:55 PM
Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on July 22, 2024, 01:29:33 PM
Quote from: Cottages on July 22, 2024, 12:50:28 PM
Quote from: jayffc on July 22, 2024, 12:00:59 PMhttps://x.com/reluctantnicko/status/1815325910620426674?t=JBXeN6AMv3Zsj4JoBU-V-Q&s=19

Alan Nixon confirming bid in for Stanno, says it needs to be higher. £6m is a bit of a joke in the current climate but dont see how they have the budget for the sort of bid id hope wed hold out for. Can only imagine if we sanctioned such a deal we'd be about to splurge some serious money about on our top targets. Id like stansfield to come good but concede that he hasnt quite stepped up yet when hes had his oppurtunities before, I have some questions but am rooting for this year to be one he breaks out. Would like to see him in pre season and see how he gets on.

Talking of which ESR scored in arsenal's pre season game the other day, do hope he doesnt play his way into being stopped from leaving 🙈


Selling Stanno will go against what Silva has explicitly said publicly. If he goes, huge questions need to be asked how much power and authority Silva has - and how long he wants to deal with being undermined.
Bang on, and it again raises the question of what is the point of the academy. Elliott, Roberts, Stansfield, Carvalho, O'Riley all gone for a pittance.

Roberts didn't go for a pittance at the time. Carvalho did, but it still paid for our investment in him and many more and gave us more FFP wiggle room. Elliott likewise went for an insultingly low amount, but still enough to pay for the academy and then some.

Stansfield is still here, by the way, and of course we won't sell him if Silva doesn't green light it.

You also seem to have forgotten Sessegnon, one of our biggest sales ever, on top of three years of service as a first team player. Likewise, Carvalho, Rodak and more have been important first team members at various points.

I believe it is crystal clear that the academy has so far been very beneficial to us.

Fair point on Roberts. Sessegnon we got a decent deal for, I still think we could and should have got north of £30m. But it's clear the trend for us getting the best out of the academy is only going in the direction of us getting worse value for money as time goes on. Does anyone know from the accounts what outlay we spend on maintaining the academy over the course of a year is? If it's anything north of £15m I don't think that's money well spent.


Sting of the North

Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on July 22, 2024, 01:51:20 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 22, 2024, 01:46:55 PM
Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on July 22, 2024, 01:29:33 PM
Quote from: Cottages on July 22, 2024, 12:50:28 PM
Quote from: jayffc on July 22, 2024, 12:00:59 PMhttps://x.com/reluctantnicko/status/1815325910620426674?t=JBXeN6AMv3Zsj4JoBU-V-Q&s=19

Alan Nixon confirming bid in for Stanno, says it needs to be higher. £6m is a bit of a joke in the current climate but dont see how they have the budget for the sort of bid id hope wed hold out for. Can only imagine if we sanctioned such a deal we'd be about to splurge some serious money about on our top targets. Id like stansfield to come good but concede that he hasnt quite stepped up yet when hes had his oppurtunities before, I have some questions but am rooting for this year to be one he breaks out. Would like to see him in pre season and see how he gets on.

Talking of which ESR scored in arsenal's pre season game the other day, do hope he doesnt play his way into being stopped from leaving 🙈


Selling Stanno will go against what Silva has explicitly said publicly. If he goes, huge questions need to be asked how much power and authority Silva has - and how long he wants to deal with being undermined.
Bang on, and it again raises the question of what is the point of the academy. Elliott, Roberts, Stansfield, Carvalho, O'Riley all gone for a pittance.

Roberts didn't go for a pittance at the time. Carvalho did, but it still paid for our investment in him and many more and gave us more FFP wiggle room. Elliott likewise went for an insultingly low amount, but still enough to pay for the academy and then some.

Stansfield is still here, by the way, and of course we won't sell him if Silva doesn't green light it.

You also seem to have forgotten Sessegnon, one of our biggest sales ever, on top of three years of service as a first team player. Likewise, Carvalho, Rodak and more have been important first team members at various points.

I believe it is crystal clear that the academy has so far been very beneficial to us.

Fair point on Roberts. Sessegnon we got a decent deal for, I still think we could and should have got north of £30m. But it's clear the trend for us getting the best out of the academy is only going in the direction of us getting worse value for money as time goes on. Does anyone know from the accounts what outlay we spend on maintaining the academy over the course of a year is? If it's anything north of £15m I don't think that's money well spent.

It is money extremely well spent as long as the owners are happy to finance it, since it is FFP exempt.

Drewry66

Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on July 22, 2024, 01:51:20 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 22, 2024, 01:46:55 PM
Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on July 22, 2024, 01:29:33 PM
Quote from: Cottages on July 22, 2024, 12:50:28 PM
Quote from: jayffc on July 22, 2024, 12:00:59 PMhttps://x.com/reluctantnicko/status/1815325910620426674?t=JBXeN6AMv3Zsj4JoBU-V-Q&s=19

Alan Nixon confirming bid in for Stanno, says it needs to be higher. £6m is a bit of a joke in the current climate but dont see how they have the budget for the sort of bid id hope wed hold out for. Can only imagine if we sanctioned such a deal we'd be about to splurge some serious money about on our top targets. Id like stansfield to come good but concede that he hasnt quite stepped up yet when hes had his oppurtunities before, I have some questions but am rooting for this year to be one he breaks out. Would like to see him in pre season and see how he gets on.

Talking of which ESR scored in arsenal's pre season game the other day, do hope he doesnt play his way into being stopped from leaving 🙈


Selling Stanno will go against what Silva has explicitly said publicly. If he goes, huge questions need to be asked how much power and authority Silva has - and how long he wants to deal with being undermined.
Bang on, and it again raises the question of what is the point of the academy. Elliott, Roberts, Stansfield, Carvalho, O'Riley all gone for a pittance.

Roberts didn't go for a pittance at the time. Carvalho did, but it still paid for our investment in him and many more and gave us more FFP wiggle room. Elliott likewise went for an insultingly low amount, but still enough to pay for the academy and then some.

Stansfield is still here, by the way, and of course we won't sell him if Silva doesn't green light it.

You also seem to have forgotten Sessegnon, one of our biggest sales ever, on top of three years of service as a first team player. Likewise, Carvalho, Rodak and more have been important first team members at various points.

I believe it is crystal clear that the academy has so far been very beneficial to us.

Fair point on Roberts. Sessegnon we got a decent deal for, I still think we could and should have got north of £30m. But it's clear the trend for us getting the best out of the academy is only going in the direction of us getting worse value for money as time goes on. Does anyone know from the accounts what outlay we spend on maintaining the academy over the course of a year is? If it's anything north of £15m I don't think that's money well spent.

It doesn't count towards cost for FFP I don't believe so apart from making Mr Khan worse off it has no impact as a negative. Any sale is pure profit as well so this is one where anything is better than nothing.  Thought I read £5 million somewhere but may be wrong.

I think the biggest problem has been the yo yo. Our academy is fantastic and convinced if we establish ourselves as a mid to top prem team the jewels will stay around a bit longer which means we can sell them for a huge amount. Only need one or two and can make a huge difference.

Neutral Zone Ultra

#1737
Quote from: Drewry66 on July 22, 2024, 01:55:40 PM
Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on July 22, 2024, 01:51:20 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 22, 2024, 01:46:55 PM
Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on July 22, 2024, 01:29:33 PM
Quote from: Cottages on July 22, 2024, 12:50:28 PM
Quote from: jayffc on July 22, 2024, 12:00:59 PMhttps://x.com/reluctantnicko/status/1815325910620426674?t=JBXeN6AMv3Zsj4JoBU-V-Q&s=19

Alan Nixon confirming bid in for Stanno, says it needs to be higher. £6m is a bit of a joke in the current climate but dont see how they have the budget for the sort of bid id hope wed hold out for. Can only imagine if we sanctioned such a deal we'd be about to splurge some serious money about on our top targets. Id like stansfield to come good but concede that he hasnt quite stepped up yet when hes had his oppurtunities before, I have some questions but am rooting for this year to be one he breaks out. Would like to see him in pre season and see how he gets on.

Talking of which ESR scored in arsenal's pre season game the other day, do hope he doesnt play his way into being stopped from leaving 🙈


Selling Stanno will go against what Silva has explicitly said publicly. If he goes, huge questions need to be asked how much power and authority Silva has - and how long he wants to deal with being undermined.
Bang on, and it again raises the question of what is the point of the academy. Elliott, Roberts, Stansfield, Carvalho, O'Riley all gone for a pittance.

Roberts didn't go for a pittance at the time. Carvalho did, but it still paid for our investment in him and many more and gave us more FFP wiggle room. Elliott likewise went for an insultingly low amount, but still enough to pay for the academy and then some.

Stansfield is still here, by the way, and of course we won't sell him if Silva doesn't green light it.

You also seem to have forgotten Sessegnon, one of our biggest sales ever, on top of three years of service as a first team player. Likewise, Carvalho, Rodak and more have been important first team members at various points.

I believe it is crystal clear that the academy has so far been very beneficial to us.

Fair point on Roberts. Sessegnon we got a decent deal for, I still think we could and should have got north of £30m. But it's clear the trend for us getting the best out of the academy is only going in the direction of us getting worse value for money as time goes on. Does anyone know from the accounts what outlay we spend on maintaining the academy over the course of a year is? If it's anything north of £15m I don't think that's money well spent.

It doesn't count towards cost for FFP I don't believe so apart from making Mr Khan worse off it has no impact as a negative. Any sale is pure profit as well so this is one where anything is better than nothing.  Thought I read £5 million somewhere but may be wrong.

I think the biggest problem has been the yo yo. Our academy is fantastic and convinced if we establish ourselves as a mid to top prem team the jewels will stay around a bit longer which means we can sell them for a huge amount. Only need one or two and can make a huge difference.
Thanks, forgot about the FFP exemption. £5m is fair enough. I just feel a bit aggrieved that we develop these really talented players and they get cherry picked by big clubs for less than fair value. I think more it just points to poor management of contracts and agents on our behalf more than anything else.


JimmyConway

With us requiring centre back/s I wonder if bringing someone back like Smalling could be good business? Not as regular in Roma team nowadays and a player likely to slot straight in. Well into his 30's now but less a gamble perhaps than other/s?

Neutral Zone Ultra

Quote from: JimmyConway on July 22, 2024, 02:24:37 PMWith us requiring centre back/s I wonder if bringing someone back like Smalling could be good business? Not as regular in Roma team nowadays and a player likely to slot straight in. Well into his 30's now but less a gamble perhaps than other/s?
8 games last season in the slower-paced Serie A means he'll be well off the pace, which won't justify the wages. I think his course is run now unfortunately.