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Lineup for Ipswich and bench

Started by SerbianLad, August 27, 2024, 11:00:28 PM

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SerbianLad

I'd go for an unchanged 11:
             Leno
Tete Diop Bassey Robinson
       Andreas Lukic
    Adama ESR Iwobi
            Muniz

Bench:Benda, Andersen, Castagne, Cuenca, Berge, Cairney, Wilson, Stansfield, Raul.

This is sort of a combination of what I'd want and what I think Marco will do. Out of all 5 starters from today's 11 that made their debut, Andersen is probably closest to starting, but I think Diop has been immense and probably our most solid defender in the first two games so I wouldn't drop him. Bassey has been a bit shaky, but I prefer a left footer on the left and a right footer on the right. Sess isn't better than Robinson, or at least not at the moment. Berge didn't seem completely fit so I'd keep Andreas in the 8 role, especialy considering the fact that I thought he looked much more comfortable there against Leicester than in the opening game or the Hoffenheim friendly. Cuenca looked good, but Bassey was our best defender last season and I wouldn't bench him after 2 games that were a bit below his usual standard.

I'd probably swap King for Raul on the bench, but I think Marco will keep Raul in the matchday squad for sure.

Hatch007

Some good players are going to be left out of the match day squad, that's for sure.

Loving our depth now and still one more to come in

btffc

I'd start Andersen over Diop. Harsh I know but Andersen is a class above him and we need his ball playing in the back. Keep the other 10

Berge is clearly not match fit and I'm not sure he ever takes the 6 from Lukic the way he has been playing.


SerbianLad

Quote from: btffc on August 27, 2024, 11:08:07 PMI'd start Andersen over Diop. Harsh I know but Andersen is a class above him and we need his ball playing in the back. Keep the other 10

Berge is clearly not match fit and I'm not sure he ever takes the 6 from Lukic the way he has been playing.

Once he reaches his top form, I'd start him together with Lukic with one of Andreas/Adama/Iwobi/ESR making way. I just think Lukic-Berge double pivot would offer us most protection, while also giving us enough going forward.

ffc73

I do not disgree with the OP in that line up and bench is most likely.

However, after last night I would be tempted to put King on the bench instead of Cairney.

Thailand Mick

For this match I would keep the starting 11 from Saturday it might also be a good idea to have a behind close door friendly to give some of those players that performed poorly last night some match practice. Going forward I would like to see Marco incorporate more changes throughout the season now we have a squad of players all of similar quality. Maybe rotate two starting eleven players each game (we would still have the other players on the bench if their replacements were having a bad game).I see that Pep was doing it last season to keep his players fresh and the benefits are the other players getting regular game time and more accustomed to playing with different players.


Woolly Mammoth

My Parrot tells me it is too early to pick a team to play Ipswich Town.
Its not the man in the fight, it's the fight in the man.  🐘

Never forget your Roots.

Grassy Noel

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 28, 2024, 08:12:30 AMMy Parrot tells me it is too early to pick a team to play Ipswich Town.

Indeed. As they say in Suffolk 'always watch the weather before choosing your tractor.'

St Eve

I do not remember us being in this position before. The depth of the squad is immense. The fact that someone mentioned leaving TC out completely says everything.  Very exciting season ahead I think


Jim©

Quote from: btffc on August 27, 2024, 11:08:07 PMI'd start Andersen over Diop. Harsh I know but Andersen is a class above him and we need his ball playing in the back. Keep the other 10

Berge is clearly not match fit and I'm not sure he ever takes the 6 from Lukic the way he has been playing.

Personally i think that's more than harsh. Diop has defended better than his partner (who's had some calamitous moments) . I think it sends out a bad message if you just kick a player onto the bench despite them playing well. Then you've got an annoyed player (perhaps with mates) who feels like the squad isn't fair. Whereas if you make that new player fight and wait to get into the team, it'll lead to more competition and harmony in the squad. As i said, if someone in the back 4 deserved to lose their place of late, it'd be Bassey.

Neutral Zone Ultra

Unchanged for me but bring in Andersen for Diop. It needs to happen at some point and I feel this is a fixture that is a good opportunity for integration. Berge to come on after c50-60 mins.

SerbianLad

Quote from: Jim© on August 28, 2024, 09:41:16 AM
Quote from: btffc on August 27, 2024, 11:08:07 PMI'd start Andersen over Diop. Harsh I know but Andersen is a class above him and we need his ball playing in the back. Keep the other 10

Berge is clearly not match fit and I'm not sure he ever takes the 6 from Lukic the way he has been playing.

Personally i think that's more than harsh. Diop has defended better than his partner (who's had some calamitous moments) . I think it sends out a bad message if you just kick a player onto the bench despite them playing well. Then you've got an annoyed player (perhaps with mates) who feels like the squad isn't fair. Whereas if you make that new player fight and wait to get into the team, it'll lead to more competition and harmony in the squad. As i said, if someone in the back 4 deserved to lose their place of late, it'd be Bassey.
I agree with this completely. Bassey has performed significantly worse than Diop, and if Andersen was to come in, I'd bring him on for Bassey. Diop played well at lcb before. Not sure about Andersen. Does anyone remember which one of Andersen/Tosin played at lcb when they started together in Andersen's previous spell at the club?


Neutral Zone Ultra

Quote from: Angus Telford on August 28, 2024, 10:10:29 AMSilva's changes are generally on the slow side. Can't see him changing the CB pairing in a winning team, especially when Diop played well as others have said. I also don't think there's a massive difference between Andersen and Diop's respective talent levels anyway, maybe Andersen is a shade ahead but not much more than that IMO.
What Andersen offers far, far ahead of Diop is his range of passing, as displayed for our second goal last night. We have pacey forward players who like to get in behind, so I feel that having a CB that can play that long ball in over the top (as well as those short passing triangles at the back) gives us an extra dimension to our play.

The main downside to Andersen is he's quite slow.

Volz

Quote from: Jim© on August 28, 2024, 09:41:16 AM
Quote from: btffc on August 27, 2024, 11:08:07 PMI'd start Andersen over Diop. Harsh I know but Andersen is a class above him and we need his ball playing in the back. Keep the other 10

Berge is clearly not match fit and I'm not sure he ever takes the 6 from Lukic the way he has been playing.

Personally i think that's more than harsh. Diop has defended better than his partner (who's had some calamitous moments) . I think it sends out a bad message if you just kick a player onto the bench despite them playing well. Then you've got an annoyed player (perhaps with mates) who feels like the squad isn't fair. Whereas if you make that new player fight and wait to get into the team, it'll lead to more competition and harmony in the squad. As i said, if someone in the back 4 deserved to lose their place of late, it'd be Bassey.

Could not agree more. I will actually go so far to say that I will be disappointed in Marco if he slots in Andersen before Diop after the performances lately from the latter. What kind of signal would that send, "you've been flawless but this other guy is going to be in front regardless of what you do".

On the other hand I want Reed and Wilson out of the squad after yesterday.
Reed offers nothing that someone else on the team can't do better. On top of that he is a confidence player and need a number of starts to get warm, and why would he get that with this competition? Whenever he comes in as a sub I see him running around in circles 90% of the time, contributing to nothing. Good servant, great spells, especially in Championship, but now we need an upgrade.
Wilson is a bit the same, except he has never shown a string of solid performances. He is too lightweight a winger for PL, and his toolbox seems so frustratingly limited. And again, he does nothing that isn't done better by someone else in the team.

Bassey the warrior

Quote from: Angus Telford on August 28, 2024, 10:10:29 AMSilva's changes are generally on the slow side. Can't see him changing the CB pairing in a winning team, especially when Diop played well as others have said. I also don't think there's a massive difference between Andersen and Diop's respective talent levels anyway, maybe Andersen is a shade ahead but not much more than that IMO.

For me Andersen is better as he provides the precise long range ball which Diop doesn't have in his locker, he also seems less prone to errors and his positioning is better. On the other hand Diop is quicker, but we don't play a high line so we're less vulnerable to the counter.


Bassey the warrior

Quote from: SerbianLad on August 28, 2024, 10:04:50 AM
Quote from: Jim© on August 28, 2024, 09:41:16 AM
Quote from: btffc on August 27, 2024, 11:08:07 PMI'd start Andersen over Diop. Harsh I know but Andersen is a class above him and we need his ball playing in the back. Keep the other 10

Berge is clearly not match fit and I'm not sure he ever takes the 6 from Lukic the way he has been playing.

Personally i think that's more than harsh. Diop has defended better than his partner (who's had some calamitous moments) . I think it sends out a bad message if you just kick a player onto the bench despite them playing well. Then you've got an annoyed player (perhaps with mates) who feels like the squad isn't fair. Whereas if you make that new player fight and wait to get into the team, it'll lead to more competition and harmony in the squad. As i said, if someone in the back 4 deserved to lose their place of late, it'd be Bassey.
I agree with this completely. Bassey has performed significantly worse than Diop, and if Andersen was to come in, I'd bring him on for Bassey. Diop played well at lcb before. Not sure about Andersen. Does anyone remember which one of Andersen/Tosin played at lcb when they started together in Andersen's previous spell at the club?

Tosin played lcb.

SerbianLad

Cheers @Bassey the warrior. Then in a hypothetical Diop and Andersen pairing, I'd put Diop at lcb and Andersen at rcb. Still, I'd go with Diop and Bassey for the next game at least.

Sammyffc

Bassey seems to have this love in thing with the fans some players have. Maybe its because he is active on the fulham socials with Iwobi etc, but he has had significantly more clangers than diop, yet many fans would throw diop to the wolves and not touch Bassey.

Then we will hear ' oh but diop makes me nervous' ..... ok? Where are all his clangers?

Strange.


Grassy Noel

Quote from: Bassey the warrior on August 28, 2024, 10:32:50 AM
Quote from: SerbianLad on August 28, 2024, 10:04:50 AM
Quote from: Jim© on August 28, 2024, 09:41:16 AM
Quote from: btffc on August 27, 2024, 11:08:07 PMI'd start Andersen over Diop. Harsh I know but Andersen is a class above him and we need his ball playing in the back. Keep the other 10

Berge is clearly not match fit and I'm not sure he ever takes the 6 from Lukic the way he has been playing.

Personally i think that's more than harsh. Diop has defended better than his partner (who's had some calamitous moments) . I think it sends out a bad message if you just kick a player onto the bench despite them playing well. Then you've got an annoyed player (perhaps with mates) who feels like the squad isn't fair. Whereas if you make that new player fight and wait to get into the team, it'll lead to more competition and harmony in the squad. As i said, if someone in the back 4 deserved to lose their place of late, it'd be Bassey.
I agree with this completely. Bassey has performed significantly worse than Diop, and if Andersen was to come in, I'd bring him on for Bassey. Diop played well at lcb before. Not sure about Andersen. Does anyone remember which one of Andersen/Tosin played at lcb when they started together in Andersen's previous spell at the club?

Tosin played lcb.

No way should Diop be dropped to make way for Andersen. Has Marco considered playing Andersen as a number 6 where his ability to beat the hard press with his passing ability would be invaluable? My guess is that Andersen is not signed up for such a move.

Neutral Zone Ultra

Quote from: Sammyffc on August 28, 2024, 10:38:08 AMBassey seems to have this love in thing with the fans some players have. Maybe its because he is active on the fulham socials with Iwobi etc, but he has had significantly more clangers than diop, yet many fans would throw diop to the wolves and not touch Bassey.

Then we will hear ' oh but diop makes me nervous' ..... ok? Where are all his clangers?

Strange.
Sunderland at home last year springs immediately to mind. I'm sure others can be highlighted.

For the record I don't think Diop is a bad defender, I just think Bassey is better.