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Summer Silly Season Transfer Thread 2025

Started by Deeping_white, April 24, 2025, 05:08:09 PM

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Birmingham White

One thing I will say about Callum is that myself & son watched him play earlier in the season away to Walsall in the U21's cup. Walsall were top of league 2 and had their second string team out. He really struggled in the game against league 2 defenders.

In fairness to Callum it was one game and I know he has scored some crackers in the U21's.
At the time we both thought he struggled to hold the ball up and lacked a bit of size to play as a number 9.
I thought he would potentially be better playing as a 10 behind a bigger striker.
Fulham have a lot of number 10's so a move to Celtic could help his career.
I wish him well and hope he makes it playing at a good level.


jayffc

#642
Quote from: Tabby on June 10, 2025, 09:38:29 AM
Quote from: StuinSalop on June 10, 2025, 07:58:22 AMI have said this before but Silva does promote youth to train with the first team where he will watch them every day.  He will then decide when they are ready to step into the first team match day squad.  His policy of picking our best 11 players on match days and the required substitutions seems perfectly reasonable to me.  Are some people saying he should prefer youngsters to better senior players because that is a crazy approach.

If you watched King at the end of last season, do you think that Reed was that much of an upgrade? There is a balance to be struck and I think Fulham has been pretty poor at it.

It is a similar situation to Carvalho and O'Riley not getting any playing time under Parker. Parker was also picking the 'best' players. By Silva's own admission Carvalho was already set on leaving by the time he came in, and he said he would improve player integration. At some point you have to walk the walk and not just talk the talk.

QuoteAlso, if an u21 will not sign a contract and gets a better offer from elsewhere are you saying we should pay more than we think they are worth or promote them over better senior players? Again, I don't see how you can fault Fulham for this.

Other clubs clearly manage to do better. It usually isn't about pay when it comes to u21 players, the wages we were paying Willian could pay for an entire squad of Academy players on what would be considered high wages.

There occasions where the youth players are simply poached by a larger team (like Biereth and Elliot) where I don't place much blame on the club, but we aren't in the Championship anymore so we should be able to compete with Celtic.

If we are looking at Callum Osmand, was it wise to give Carlos Vinicius a spot ahead of him? Maybe he won't pan out, maybe he will become the next Biereth who has been one of the most lethal strikers in Europe this season. I'm a bit anxious that King is already on the way out and that the playing time at the end of the season was a last gambit like with Elliot and Carvalho.

Silva gave king, a 17 year old, premier league minutes in a season we were pushing for top 8. king isn't above reed, they play different positions, you would be arguing for King over TC/AP/Berge. Which isn't out the questions, but he didn't get minutes.  He also gave Godo some minutes... If those players had score or assisted and been unplayable in those games I have no doubt theyd have played even more. They were both good in their game time but maybe not so brilliant as to be a starter next game.

Next year I expect King will likely get more gametime as he continues to develop but he's still VERY young. I rate King massively but especially prior to signing a longer contract I can see why he's being managed gently.

Like it or not, Celtic are a big club, in Europe, and many have gone there before as a good stepping stone. Slightly lower level opposition, more chance to get game time, possible to win titles and then seal a big money move from there. Where here he's behind Muniz and Rail who did pretty well last year as a duo so tough for him to get gametime without going out on loan. Scottish league is meh but can easily see the appeal of Celtic.



Hatch007

Quote from: alfie on June 09, 2025, 03:47:06 PM
Quote from: RAY Rock on June 09, 2025, 02:53:02 PMCan't stand Celtic took Dembélé off us for peanuts then sold him for 20 million . They can swivel
Don't forget we would do the same if we could.
We did ... with Stansfield

TheOnionBag

I think we should have been giving King and Osmand (some/more) minutes in the last 3 or 4 games when Europe was looking less likely rather than bringing on Vini and William when it was clear they were both off at the end of the season, that selection must have felt like a right kick in the cream crackers to our young players.
I have watched a fair few u21s games this season and in my opinion think Osmand is I great player who finds space, chases down defenders and has the knack of being on the end of chances, towards the later end of the u21s season we tended to overplay (like the fist team) and as a result the chances somewhat dried up.

Rambler

Quote from: Deeping_white on June 10, 2025, 10:29:50 AMhttps://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1932352684926947474

With his injury record and lack really of any competitive PL playing time in his career I don't think there will be much competition. £10mil max for him


Twig

Quote from: Deeping_white on June 10, 2025, 10:29:50 AMhttps://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1932352684926947474

Saw this on Facebook and have to admit I wouldn't be against a loan with an option to buy IF and only if, our medical team are convinced they have him right for next season. He has to prove he isn't too injury prone before we splash the cash on him.

Deeping_white

Quote from: Twig on June 10, 2025, 11:06:01 AM
Quote from: Deeping_white on June 10, 2025, 10:29:50 AMhttps://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1932352684926947474

Saw this on Facebook and have to admit I wouldn't be against a loan with an option to buy IF and only if, our medical team are convinced they have him right for next season. He has to prove he isn't too injury prone before we splash the cash on him.

I would be tempted to try and structure something along the lines of the Leno deal, but we say we'll pay you up to £10m including add ons should he hit appearance totals, I.E £5m now and then £1.5m every 20 appearances up to 60 over 4 years because if he hits them then we've deffo got value for money, and if he is frequently injured then you could argue that £5m for a player of his talent is a risk worth taking for when he is fit and healthy. Maybe structure his wages around payments for being fit and healthy, so a lower weekly wage in case he's injured regularly, with appearance bonuses for individual and milestone numbers too



Drewry66

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Quote from: Deeping_white on June 10, 2025, 11:11:30 AM
Quote from: Twig on June 10, 2025, 11:06:01 AM
Quote from: Deeping_white on June 10, 2025, 10:29:50 AMhttps://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1932352684926947474

Saw this on Facebook and have to admit I wouldn't be against a loan with an option to buy IF and only if, our medical team are convinced they have him right for next season. He has to prove he isn't too injury prone before we splash the cash on him.

I would be tempted to try and structure something along the lines of the Leno deal, but we say we'll pay you up to £10m including add ons should he hit appearance totals, I.E £5m now and then £1.5m every 20 appearances up to 60 over 4 years because if he hits them then we've deffo got value for money, and if he is frequently injured then you could argue that £5m for a player of his talent is a risk worth taking for when he is fit and healthy. Maybe structure his wages around payments for being fit and healthy, so a lower weekly wage in case he's injured regularly, with appearance bonuses for individual and milestone numbers too

Yeah agreed. Real talent and could be a steal if we can keep him fit. We surely hold all the cards here to get a great deal as cant see any club paying much for him after the injuries, Arsenal will he desperate to move him on and earn something for him and he seemed to love it here so will prob want to come back.

My only concern is if we get him and he does get injured again it stuffed us this season so we need extra cover. If we get him plus another left winger no issue with it as still cover then and if only circa £5m up front huge potential upside with next to no risk. Rafa Silva was rumoured for the left at around £8m and although he is over 30 him plus Reiss I could get on board with as he can play a number of positions and could offer top level cover next year if the worst happened again with Reiss. The two of them for around £13m up front could be great business to improve the left side next year.

Edit: just checked as thought Nelson's contract with Arsenal was up next year meaning they had to sell now but actually 2027. Could just as easily be a loan with an option then so no up front cost.

Whitestone

A fit Reiss Nelson would be a good permanent addition but only if any medical proves he is over the recent injury and there is no likelihood of a relapse. Things seem to have worked out with Sess so I guess there's hope for  Nelson.

SerbianLad

I wouldn't be against signing Reiss Nelson, providing the price is right. I'd go as high as 10 million, plus bonuses based on appearances, so that we are protected in case his injury struggles continue. I'd also probably get Werner if we get Nelson, as he's extremely cheap and would provide another option in case Nelson gets injured.


Jims Dentist

Quote from: JimmyConway on June 09, 2025, 09:33:10 AMHudson-Odoi apparently looking to leave Forest? Will we rekindle interest? By all accounts we were very close a couple of years ago and for whatever reason he ended up there. Bit of an injury prone type again though? I like him but not sure if he is consistent enough over a season though you could say that about many wide players.

Out of interest if you had the choice between Hudson-Odoi or Nelson to sign who would you take considering all their strengths weaknesses and injury record?
Think I would go Hudson-Odoi.
Yes Hudson for me.

irish_mike

I feel like every post I have is negative. I don't think Nelson would be a good signing. High wages, injury prone seemingly.

Maybe a loan to prove and if he proves his fitness this season would be worth the risk

JimOG

Quote from: Drewry66 on June 10, 2025, 11:45:52 AM
Quote from: Deeping_white on June 10, 2025, 11:11:30 AM
Quote from: Twig on June 10, 2025, 11:06:01 AM
Quote from: Deeping_white on June 10, 2025, 10:29:50 AMhttps://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1932352684926947474

Saw this on Facebook and have to admit I wouldn't be against a loan with an option to buy IF and only if, our medical team are convinced they have him right for next season. He has to prove he isn't too injury prone before we splash the cash on him.

I would be tempted to try and structure something along the lines of the Leno deal, but we say we'll pay you up to £10m including add ons should he hit appearance totals, I.E £5m now and then £1.5m every 20 appearances up to 60 over 4 years because if he hits them then we've deffo got value for money, and if he is frequently injured then you could argue that £5m for a player of his talent is a risk worth taking for when he is fit and healthy. Maybe structure his wages around payments for being fit and healthy, so a lower weekly wage in case he's injured regularly, with appearance bonuses for individual and milestone numbers too

Yeah agreed. Real talent and could be a steal if we can keep him fit. We surely hold all the cards here to get a great deal as cant see any club paying much for him after the injuries, Arsenal will he desperate to move him on and earn something for him and he seemed to love it here so will prob want to come back.

My only concern is if we get him and he does get injured again it stuffed us this season so we need extra cover. If we get him plus another left winger no issue with it as still cover then and if only circa £5m up front huge potential upside with next to no risk. Rafa Silva was rumoured for the left at around £8m and although he is over 30 him plus Reiss I could get on board with as he can play a number of positions and could offer top level cover next year if the worst happened again with Reiss. The two of them for around £13m up front could be great business to improve the left side next year.

Edit: just checked as thought Nelson's contract with Arsenal was up next year meaning they had to sell now but actually 2027. Could just as easily be a loan with an option then so no up front cost.

I know Rafa Silva is over 30 but he has a really good scoring record. Whilst I agree with contributors on here uncovering younger players is very important I think a balance needs to be struck - Silva looks a really good player likely to be a starter this coming season and for that sort of money


MickTheBeard

The reason why I'm against this move is sess is in the same position building up fitness etc so he can play 90 mins many older players can't last 90 mins youngsters not getting in 1st team,and silver not extending his contract where does that leave our club if it goes tits up.

JimmyConway

If say we sign him for £5-£10-£15m it's hard to imagine you'll get much of a return on your investment. Hard to think that even if he had an injury free season or two he would suddenly become a £40-£50m player? He looks to me to be a tad limited in certain areas.

RAY Rock

Quote from: JimOG on June 10, 2025, 01:32:43 PM
Quote from: Drewry66 on June 10, 2025, 11:45:52 AM
Quote from: Deeping_white on June 10, 2025, 11:11:30 AM
Quote from: Twig on June 10, 2025, 11:06:01 AM
Quote from: Deeping_white on June 10, 2025, 10:29:50 AMhttps://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1932352684926947474

Saw this on Facebook and have to admit I wouldn't be against a loan with an option to buy IF and only if, our medical team are convinced they have him right for next season. He has to prove he isn't too injury prone before we splash the cash on him.

I would be tempted to try and structure something along the lines of the Leno deal, but we say we'll pay you up to £10m including add ons should he hit appearance totals, I.E £5m now and then £1.5m every 20 appearances up to 60 over 4 years because if he hits them then we've deffo got value for money, and if he is frequently injured then you could argue that £5m for a player of his talent is a risk worth taking for when he is fit and healthy. Maybe structure his wages around payments for being fit and healthy, so a lower weekly wage in case he's injured regularly, with appearance bonuses for individual and milestone numbers too

Yeah agreed. Real talent and could be a steal if we can keep him fit. We surely hold all the cards here to get a great deal as cant see any club paying much for him after the injuries, Arsenal will he desperate to move him on and earn something for him and he seemed to love it here so will prob want to come back.

My only concern is if we get him and he does get injured again it stuffed us this season so we need extra cover. If we get him plus another left winger no issue with it as still cover then and if only circa £5m up front huge potential upside with next to no risk. Rafa Silva was rumoured for the left at around £8m and although he is over 30 him plus Reiss I could get on board with as he can play a number of positions and could offer top level cover next year if the worst happened again with Reiss. The two of them for around £13m up front could be great business to improve the left side next year.

Edit: just checked as thought Nelson's contract with Arsenal was up next year meaning they had to sell now but actually 2027. Could just as easily be a loan with an option then so no up front cost.

I know Rafa Silva is over 30 but he has a really good scoring record. Whilst I agree with contributors on here uncovering younger players is very important I think a balance needs to be struck - Silva looks a really good player likely to be a starter this coming season and for that sort of money
Rafa Silva is top draw I wanted 3 season ago he is a little pocket rocket


BestOfBrede

Well, with about an hour and a half to go it looks like we may have run out of time anyway?
The good news, though is we so far haven't lost anyone significant!

I know this is only the first window!!

Rightwhite

Quote from: Jims Dentist on June 10, 2025, 12:28:52 PM
Quote from: JimmyConway on June 09, 2025, 09:33:10 AMHudson-Odoi apparently looking to leave Forest? Will we rekindle interest? By all accounts we were very close a couple of years ago and for whatever reason he ended up there. Bit of an injury prone type again though? I like him but not sure if he is consistent enough over a season though you could say that about many wide players.

Out of interest if you had the choice between Hudson-Odoi or Nelson to sign who would you take considering all their strengths weaknesses and injury record?
Think I would go Hudson-Odoi.
Yes Hudson for me.
Would go for Hudson Odoi. Think he has a better end product