Senderos

[Rudolph]

Just to be clear Rudolph, you are pinning our entire season which has been relatively poor on the fact Sendero's was injured? Or at least flirting with the idea things would be better if he wasn't injured at the start of the season? Just throwing a spanner in the works here but didn't we start this season really brightly?

Jol started last season with Senderos and Hangeland at the back.  This was his first choice pairing. 

This season we did start brightly from an attacking point of view, but defensively not so good.  We threw away leads at Southampton, Reading and Arsenal.  Got obliterated at West Ham and got bullied at the back by Everton.  All down to a weak defence.

For his faults, I could not see him being shrugged of the ball like Felliani did Hughes or beaten in the air in the way we conceded at Southampton, not to mention the horror show at West Ham.  The early games showed one thing, Hughes was not comfortable on the ball and Hangeland was closed down at every occasion when he was playing out from the back.  Our DCM had to come back to collect the ball and start a move.  Senderos can spread the ball from the back with a great deal of accuracy. 

So yes, I am saying that he would have made a difference, but that is irrelevant now, we just need to claim points and I am happy he is now fully involved and being appreciated by more people.

[FFC1987]

Just to be clear Rudolph, you are pinning our entire season which has been relatively poor on the fact Sendero's was injured? Or at least flirting with the idea things would be better if he wasn't injured at the start of the season? Just throwing a spanner in the works here but didn't we start this season really brightly?

Jol started last season with Senderos and Hangeland at the back.  This was his first choice pairing. 

This season we did start brightly from an attacking point of view, but defensively not so good.  We threw away leads at Southampton, Reading and Arsenal.  Got obliterated at West Ham and got bullied at the back by Everton.  All down to a weak defence.

For his faults, I could not see him being shrugged of the ball like Felliani did Hughes or beaten in the air in the way we conceded at Southampton, not to mention the horror show at West Ham.  The early games showed one thing, Hughes was not comfortable on the ball and Hangeland was closed down at every occasion when he was playing out from the back.  Our DCM had to come back to collect the ball and start a move.  Senderos can spread the ball from the back with a great deal of accuracy. 

So yes, I am saying that he would have made a difference, but that is irrelevant now, we just need to claim points and I am happy he is now fully involved and being appreciated by more people.

I'm extremely sceptical by this but you put forward a reasoned argument. (with plenty of flaws to it :)  ) I will say don't just throw all praise on Big Phil for recent performances because he has still been exposed by some teams namely Spurs for two goals and United but hey I'm a neutral and love that we kept a few clean sheets and that he isn't the scape goat some wish he was!

[Rudolph]

Just to be clear Rudolph, you are pinning our entire season which has been relatively poor on the fact Sendero's was injured? Or at least flirting with the idea things would be better if he wasn't injured at the start of the season? Just throwing a spanner in the works here but didn't we start this season really brightly?

Jol started last season with Senderos and Hangeland at the back.  This was his first choice pairing. 

This season we did start brightly from an attacking point of view, but defensively not so good.  We threw away leads at Southampton, Reading and Arsenal.  Got obliterated at West Ham and got bullied at the back by Everton.  All down to a weak defence.

For his faults, I could not see him being shrugged of the ball like Felliani did Hughes or beaten in the air in the way we conceded at Southampton, not to mention the horror show at West Ham.  The early games showed one thing, Hughes was not comfortable on the ball and Hangeland was closed down at every occasion when he was playing out from the back.  Our DCM had to come back to collect the ball and start a move.  Senderos can spread the ball from the back with a great deal of accuracy. 

So yes, I am saying that he would have made a difference, but that is irrelevant now, we just need to claim points and I am happy he is now fully involved and being appreciated by more people.

I'm extremely sceptical by this but you put forward a reasoned argument. (with plenty of flaws to it :)  ) I will say don't just throw all praise on Big Phil for recent performances because he has still been exposed by some teams namely Spurs for two goals and United but hey I'm a neutral and love that we kept a few clean sheets and that he isn't the scape goat some wish he was!

All I can see is a load of clean sheets.  So he's been caught out against 2 top teams? Better this than being made a mug of at West Ham and Southampton.

[Bassey the warrior]

Just to be clear Rudolph, you are pinning our entire season which has been relatively poor on the fact Sendero's was injured? Or at least flirting with the idea things would be better if he wasn't injured at the start of the season? Just throwing a spanner in the works here but didn't we start this season really brightly?

Jol started last season with Senderos and Hangeland at the back.  This was his first choice pairing. 

This season we did start brightly from an attacking point of view, but defensively not so good.  We threw away leads at Southampton, Reading and Arsenal.  Got obliterated at West Ham and got bullied at the back by Everton.  All down to a weak defence.

For his faults, I could not see him being shrugged of the ball like Felliani did Hughes or beaten in the air in the way we conceded at Southampton, not to mention the horror show at West Ham.  The early games showed one thing, Hughes was not comfortable on the ball and Hangeland was closed down at every occasion when he was playing out from the back.  Our DCM had to come back to collect the ball and start a move.  Senderos can spread the ball from the back with a great deal of accuracy. 

So yes, I am saying that he would have made a difference, but that is irrelevant now, we just need to claim points and I am happy he is now fully involved and being appreciated by more people.

I'm extremely sceptical by this but you put forward a reasoned argument. (with plenty of flaws to it :)  ) I will say don't just throw all praise on Big Phil for recent performances because he has still been exposed by some teams namely Spurs for two goals and United but hey I'm a neutral and love that we kept a few clean sheets and that he isn't the scape goat some wish he was!

He was poor against Spurs granted but he made one error against Man Utd, the rest of his game was flawless. All of our back five make errors fairly regularly, well Riether is the exception. He made one error against West Ham and again got punished but again he was flawless apart from that error.
He's finally showing what Wenger saw in him.

[FFC1987]

Just to be clear Rudolph, you are pinning our entire season which has been relatively poor on the fact Sendero's was injured? Or at least flirting with the idea things would be better if he wasn't injured at the start of the season? Just throwing a spanner in the works here but didn't we start this season really brightly?

Jol started last season with Senderos and Hangeland at the back.  This was his first choice pairing. 

This season we did start brightly from an attacking point of view, but defensively not so good.  We threw away leads at Southampton, Reading and Arsenal.  Got obliterated at West Ham and got bullied at the back by Everton.  All down to a weak defence.

For his faults, I could not see him being shrugged of the ball like Felliani did Hughes or beaten in the air in the way we conceded at Southampton, not to mention the horror show at West Ham.  The early games showed one thing, Hughes was not comfortable on the ball and Hangeland was closed down at every occasion when he was playing out from the back.  Our DCM had to come back to collect the ball and start a move.  Senderos can spread the ball from the back with a great deal of accuracy. 

So yes, I am saying that he would have made a difference, but that is irrelevant now, we just need to claim points and I am happy he is now fully involved and being appreciated by more people.

I'm extremely sceptical by this but you put forward a reasoned argument. (with plenty of flaws to it :)  ) I will say don't just throw all praise on Big Phil for recent performances because he has still been exposed by some teams namely Spurs for two goals and United but hey I'm a neutral and love that we kept a few clean sheets and that he isn't the scape goat some wish he was!

All I can see is a load of clean sheets.  So he's been caught out against 2 top teams? Better this than being made a mug of at West Ham and Southampton.

Of course all you are seeing is clean sheets, you have man love for Sendero's and openly admit it :) You're also being very selective as you can count many performances where Hughes has been solid and Brede has struggled. As stated though, I like Big Phil and am very happy he's coming good but I'm not going as far as to call him the messiah, I mean come on.....

[Rudolph]

Just to be clear Rudolph, you are pinning our entire season which has been relatively poor on the fact Sendero's was injured? Or at least flirting with the idea things would be better if he wasn't injured at the start of the season? Just throwing a spanner in the works here but didn't we start this season really brightly?

Jol started last season with Senderos and Hangeland at the back.  This was his first choice pairing. 

This season we did start brightly from an attacking point of view, but defensively not so good.  We threw away leads at Southampton, Reading and Arsenal.  Got obliterated at West Ham and got bullied at the back by Everton.  All down to a weak defence.

For his faults, I could not see him being shrugged of the ball like Felliani did Hughes or beaten in the air in the way we conceded at Southampton, not to mention the horror show at West Ham.  The early games showed one thing, Hughes was not comfortable on the ball and Hangeland was closed down at every occasion when he was playing out from the back.  Our DCM had to come back to collect the ball and start a move.  Senderos can spread the ball from the back with a great deal of accuracy. 

So yes, I am saying that he would have made a difference, but that is irrelevant now, we just need to claim points and I am happy he is now fully involved and being appreciated by more people.

I'm extremely sceptical by this but you put forward a reasoned argument. (with plenty of flaws to it :)  ) I will say don't just throw all praise on Big Phil for recent performances because he has still been exposed by some teams namely Spurs for two goals and United but hey I'm a neutral and love that we kept a few clean sheets and that he isn't the scape goat some wish he was!

All I can see is a load of clean sheets.  So he's been caught out against 2 top teams? Better this than being made a mug of at West Ham and Southampton.

Of course all you are seeing is clean sheets, you have man love for Sendero's and openly admit it :) You're also being very selective as you can count many performances where Hughes has been solid and Brede has struggled. As stated though, I like Big Phil and am very happy he's coming good but I'm not going as far as to call him the messiah, I mean come on.....

I've manlove for all 11 of our lads on matchday.  I've always maintained that Big Phil is unfairly targeted.  Ooooohh who am I kidding!  I love the man!!!

[Berserker]

He always brings out my mothering instincts, strange really

[MJG]

Still don't rate him. H&H first choice for me.
But hey we all have our own views on players.

[Travers Barney]

Still don't rate him. H&H first choice for me.
But hey we all have our own views on players.

Hangers and Senderos all day long for me these days but as you say we all have our views.....wouldn't mind a repeat of that 1978 result Saturday week MJG.

coyw

[MJG]

Still don't rate him. H&H first choice for me.
But hey we all have our own views on players.

Hangers and Senderos all day long for me these days but as you say we all have our views.....wouldn't mind a repeat of that 1978 result Saturday week MJG.

coyw

I would be very happy with a 2-0 that's for sure.

[St Eve]

H&H for me every time.

[FFC1987]

Right now, I'd have to say Sendero's infront of Hughes but I like the healthy competition...and love Rudolph's comments regarding Big Phil, its brilliant!

[Rudolph]

Right now, I'd have to say Sendero's infront of Hughes but I like the healthy competition...and love Rudolph's comments regarding Big Phil, its brilliant!

:021:

[epsomraver]

that sun  dissapears when big Phil pulls his shorts up for reindeer though

[FFC1987]

that sun  dissapears when big Phil pulls his shorts up for reindeer though

HA!

[M i c K Y x FFC]

Senderos has been good recently. Formed a good CB partnership with Hangeland. Hughes has well past it. And, he makes me smile. Don't know what it is, but his face just makes me laugh. Very passionate player as well.

[FFC1987]

I don't think we should write Hughes off yet though. He had a few poor games but otherwise he has put in some MoM performances. I wouldn't be surprised if him and Phil battle it out all season for that starting place. As mentioned, more competition the better!

[Riverside]

My view on Senderos
Always in danger of making a mistake . So wish we had someone more reliable
But I have never seen him give less than 100% . Therefore I value him.

You may have picked up my general thread . If everyone gives 100% we would never be discussing relegation and would be comfortably in the Top 10.

[alfie]

My view on Senderos
Always in danger of making a mistake . So wish we had someone more reliable
But I have never seen him give less than 100% . Therefore I value him.

You may have picked up my general thread . If everyone gives 100% we would never be discussing relegation and would be comfortably in the Top 10.

the trouble is that during the Manure game Hughes made just as big a mistake as Senderos, when Hernandes went round him a bit earllier, the difference is that Hernandes fluffed his shot and Rooney did'nt.

[A Humble Man]

I am a mole and I live in a hole sort of attitude on this mb now.  Sad degradation in quality.