FIFA won'r allow Poppies on England Shirts - Merged Topics

[epsomraver]

Everybody here would be angry if Iran tried to pull something like this off to remember their dead secret service members who were sent to Iraq to fight the Americans and UK soldiers. In their mind they died for just cause and in your mind your soldiers died for just cause. If you argue that these soldiers had no choice but to go to war, you are wrong. They choose to go to the army and in the army that is what you do go to war. Everybody makes their own decisions at least in USA and UK considering going to the army. It is fine to remember your dead soldiers, but you can do it at home on the street and something like that, but not in any sport games. Sport is here to promote peace and unity among people well some sports are not like fighting sports, but most sport are promoting peace and respect. So by having England have this on their shirts might offend some people watching the game in other countries whose family member might have been killed by a bomb dropped by a UK fighter plane who was killed and was innocent. As I said before some people in UK would be offended if Iran tried to remember their dead who went to fight in Iraq. FIFA is a sport organization and it shouldn't be forced to choose which wars are justified and which are not there.

Never have I read so much rubbish!! these soldiers had no choice but go to war [/i]you ever heard of CONSCRIPTION you idiot!!, my Dad  married in August 1940 then is CONSCRIPTED into the Army and ends up for 6 years in Burma fighting a fanatical Army who had invaded other countries,while at home his loved ones are being bombed out of their houses nightly and killed.  he and thousands of others HAD NO CHOICE, yes he came back, a different person though, terrible experiences locked in his head that he NEVER spoke about.  but thousands of of others didn,t and lay buried thousands of miles from their loved ones, mate you really make me sick,what about the thousands of young US men "drafted" into the Army and sent to Vietnam !! they had a chioce!!! IF I get banned for this then good, because you need to be told the FACTS, not sure what nationality you are but not one I would want  to be associated with.It's only because of their sacrifice that you have the liberty to write such drivel

[MrFantastic]

Now the door is open for Germany and other countries to do the same an armband on North Korea jerseys remembering their leader and soldiers that died in Korean war and so on. Wait this right might only be reserved for UK and USA because according to media these are only countries that fight justified wars. How will FIFA decide which country has the right to remember their dead soldiers and from which wars. This decision should not have been made should the decision to remember somebody be your personal decision and not forced upon players when you are at it force other team to remember your soldiers. I only hope nobody complains when some other country tries to remember their dead soldiers there.

[Aldo]

I am quite happy for Germany and North Korea to remember their dead in any way they want and respect their right to do so! not sure what you are talking about remembering their Leader though! I don't wear a poppy for Winston Churchill's benefit!

Why shouldn't other nationalities respect their dead just because they happen to have been at war with America?

[MrFantastic]

Everybody here would be angry if Iran tried to pull something like this off to remember their dead secret service members who were sent to Iraq to fight the Americans and UK soldiers. In their mind they died for just cause and in your mind your soldiers died for just cause. If you argue that these soldiers had no choice but to go to war, you are wrong. They choose to go to the army and in the army that is what you do go to war. Everybody makes their own decisions at least in USA and UK considering going to the army. It is fine to remember your dead soldiers, but you can do it at home on the street and something like that, but not in any sport games. Sport is here to promote peace and unity among people well some sports are not like fighting sports, but most sport are promoting peace and respect. So by having England have this on their shirts might offend some people watching the game in other countries whose family member might have been killed by a bomb dropped by a UK fighter plane who was killed and was innocent. As I said before some people in UK would be offended if Iran tried to remember their dead who went to fight in Iraq. FIFA is a sport organization and it shouldn't be forced to choose which wars are justified and which are not there.

Never have I read so much rubbish!! these soldiers had no choice but go to war [/i]you ever heard of CONSCRIPTION you idiot!!, my Dad  married in August 1940 then is CONSCRIPTED into the Army and ends up for 6 years in Burma fighting a fanatical Army who had invaded other countries,while at home his loved ones are being bombed out of their houses nightly and killed.  he and thousands of others HAD NO CHOICE, yes he came back, a different person though, terrible experiences locked in his head that he NEVER spoke about.  but thousands of of others didn,t and lay buried thousands of miles from their loved ones, mate you really make me sick,what about the thousands of young US men "drafted" into the Army and sent to Vietnam !! they had a chioce!!! IF I get banned for this then good, because you need to be told the FACTS, not sure what nationality you are but not one I would want  to be associated with.It's only because of their sacrifice that you have the liberty to write such drivel

As far as I know these days people in UK and USA have the right not to go to the army. I was writing in that context.I even wrote in UK and USA you have a choice now to go to war. As I am from another country it is because my countries soldiers and USA that I have liberty to have an opinion not UK soldiers but than again it is because of USA soldiers that you have the right to have an opinion.You can say what you want but without USA England had no chance in world war 2. My family members also fought in world war 2 but I don't want them remembered in a football game where peace should be promoted. Your choice of words was should I say poor calling people idiots you could have used more creative word and you now don't like my entire nation and it's people because of me you wrote you wouldn't wanted to be associated with my nationality so you are basically like Hitler hating an entire nation and people because few bad people that only happened to belong to a certain group of people. That says a lot about you there

[Burt]

Common sense prevails...

[Pata]

Thankfully, the Fiver shows that not everyone in the UK has gone bonkers.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/nov/09/football-fiver-poppies-england-spain-zlatan-ibrahimovic

[Burt]

From the BBC website (it is poppies on black armbands):

Fifa has agreed that the England, Scotland and Wales teams can wear poppies on black armbands during the upcoming internationals.

The move came after Prince William and Prime Minister David Cameron wrote to Fifa asking that England be allowed to wear shirts embroidered with poppies.

Fifa bans political, religious or commercial messages on shirts.

England and Wales have agreed to the compromise. Scotland will consult their opponents before making a decision.

England will wear the armbands in Saturday's friendly against Spain.

"The FA welcomes FIFA's decision and thanks them for agreeing to this," the FA said in a statement.

The Football Association of Wales confirmed its players will wear the armbands for their match with Norway on Saturday.

Scottish Football Association chief executive Stewart Regan said they hoped to adopt the same approach for the friendly against Cyprus in Larnaca on Friday night.

Regan said: "The decision is a pragmatic solution to the fact that FIFA's rules forbid the wearing of the poppy on the match shirt.

"Subject to the approval of the Cypriot FA as the host nation we will also adopt this approach in our friendly match on Friday night.

"We believe this is a fitting way to show our respect for those members of the armed forces who have lost their lives fighting for their country."

The Fifa announcement of the compromise between the Football Association and Fifa came shortly after it was revealed that the Duke of Cambridge had written a letter to world football's governing body in his position as president of the FA.

Clarence House said the Prince was "dismayed" by Fifa's initial stance ahead of Saturday's England match against Spain.

DID YOU KNOW?Continue reading the main story
No poppies were worn when England played Brazil on 14 November 2009
Earlier on Wednesday, Mr Cameron said he would also write to Fifa asking it to lift the ban ahead of England's game with the world champions.

"It seems outrageous," said Mr Cameron. "I hope Fifa will reconsider."

A spokesman for St James's Palace said the Prince was pleased with the compromise.

A Downing Street spokesman said Mr Cameron welcomed Fifa's decision, saying: "It's a sensible way forward."

As an alternative to having embroidered poppies on their shirts, the FA had previously said England players would wear black armbands during the game and lay a wreath on the pitch during the national anthems.

England and Wales' rugby league players will be wearing poppies on their shirts this weekend, along with the other two teams - Australia and New Zealand - involved in the Four Nations.

[luckykat]

Mr Fantastic, the poppies are a means of remembering the dead of ALL wars (both world wars and those since then). Your point that the soldiers in Iran and Afghanistan did not have to join just ignores the fact that there was conscription in both world wars. As for your earlier point, if the Germans or anyone else want to remember their dead that's fine by me. The poppies are a way of remembering the soldiers who died, not the wars.

[luckykat]

remembering their leader

What an earth are you talking about? What have our poppies got to do with remembering a leader?

[Rambling_Syd_Rumpo]

Now the door is open for Germany and other countries to do the same an armband on North Korea jerseys remembering their leader and soldiers that died in Korean war and so on. Wait this right might only be reserved for UK and USA because according to media these are only countries that fight justified wars. How will FIFA decide which country has the right to remember their dead soldiers and from which wars. This decision should not have been made should the decision to remember somebody be your personal decision and not forced upon players when you are at it force other team to remember your soldiers. I only hope nobody complains when some other country tries to remember their dead soldiers there.

If Germany/Korea or anybody else wish to remember their war dead in the manner that we do I would applaud it,nobody is celebrating winning wars with this,just remembering the people who died so the living can enjoy the freedoms that they fought and died for!

[Pata]

If Germany/Korea or anybody else wish to remember their war dead in the manner that we do I would applaud it,nobody is celebrating winning wars with this,just remembering the people who died so the living can enjoy the freedoms that they fought and died for!

I am not sure which "freedoms" that the Germans currently enjoy the soldiers of the Wehrmacht fought for.

[finnster01]

I am glad.  065.gif

Finally  :dead horse:

[Rambling_Syd_Rumpo]

If Germany/Korea or anybody else wish to remember their war dead in the manner that we do I would applaud it,nobody is celebrating winning wars with this,just remembering the people who died so the living can enjoy the freedoms that they fought and died for!

I am not sure which "freedoms" that the Germans currently enjoy the soldiers of the Wehrmacht fought for.

We fought more wars "with" the Germans than against them

[Burt]

Lets face it, politicians make the decision to go to war and in a lot of cases whilst the general population may not really back it (our current combat roles in Afghanistan and Iraq come to mind) they will still back their troops.

The poppy is not a symbol of justifying or glorifying war.

It is to remember those who have died in service.

[Pata]

I am not sure which "freedoms" that the Germans currently enjoy the soldiers of the Wehrmacht fought for.

We fought more wars "with" the Germans than against them

Well, the Jews around the world will be made up with that. As will the Russians. But, hey, who cares about what they have to say?

[Sheepskin Junior]

It is a good thing that FIFA have allowed this compromise because if we want to have some way to remember those brave men or women who lost their lives defending our country we should. If the rugby teams can have a poppy embroidered on to their shirts, why can't football?

[Rambling_Syd_Rumpo]

I am not sure which "freedoms" that the Germans currently enjoy the soldiers of the Wehrmacht fought for.

We fought more wars "with" the Germans than against them

Well, the Jews around the world will be made up with that. As will the Russians. But, hey, who cares about what they have to say?

I'm sorry,you must have us confused with the Offal,I mentioned Germany/Korea because the post I was directing my answer to did.I also said"ANYBODY ELSE" which means anybody else as in other countries.
As for your little quip "Well, the Jews around the world will be made up with that" would you like me to ring my Uncle up and ask him? he lost three quarters of his family in Treblinka in 1943,or my Auntie who escaped from Majdanek? so I wouldn't try that dig at me if I were you.

[os5889]

I can hear Mr El Bee and the Mods getting the keys ready!

[Mr_Moon]

Two years ago we played Brazil in Doha around Armistice Day. Didn't see the FA or anyone kicking up a fuss then as there were no poppies to be seen.

[Pata]

I am not sure which "freedoms" that the Germans currently enjoy the soldiers of the Wehrmacht fought for.

We fought more wars "with" the Germans than against them

Well, the Jews around the world will be made up with that. As will the Russians. But, hey, who cares about what they have to say?

I'm sorry,you must have us confused with the Offal,I mentioned Germany/Korea because the post I was directing my answer to did.I also said"ANYBODY ELSE" which means anybody else as in other countries.
As for your little quip "Well, the Jews around the world will be made up with that" would you like me to ring my Uncle up and ask him? he lost three quarters of his family in Treblinka in 1943,or my Auntie who escaped from Majdanek? so I wouldn't try that dig at me if I were you.

You could, if you wished. I certainly don't have to ring any of the Jews (or Russians) in my family to know the answer.