FIFA won'r allow Poppies on England Shirts - Merged Topics

[finnster01]

Mr Moon, you mentioned the word propaganda. Whose to say that what you have been studying is not propaganda from a different slant. You and I will never agree on this, I feel that anyone who serves thier country and have suffered in doing so, deserve evry bit of respect that I can give.

  :clap_hands: One of the few points Mr Peabody and I are in full agreement on.

[Mr_Moon]

Mr Moon, you mentioned the word propaganda. Whose to say that what you have been studying is not propaganda from a different slant. You and I will never agree on this, I feel that anyone who serves thier country and have suffered in doing so, deserve evry bit of respect that I can give.

That crossed my mind too so i agree, it's a flaw in my argument.

Anyway, the postman has just been and my new xbox game has arrived. Woohoo

[Peabody]

Surely we agree on all, sorry, most things Fulham Finn?

[luckykat]

Earlier this year I was in Wootton Bassett when a dead soldier's coffin was driven down the main street. For those outside the UK, military who died in Iraq or Afghanistan are flown back to the UK near the small town of Wootton Bassett and the hearses drive through the town. Each time this happens the locals line the streets in their hundreds to pay their respect. My daughter was on leave and someone she knew had died in Afghanistan, so I accompanied her. It was the most moving experience I have ever known and, although I did not know the soldier, the tears flowed. If you told these people lining the streets that their respect could be construed as a political act, they would think you were crazy. It's nothing to do with whether you agree with a particular war or not (personally I think Blair should be tried for taking us to war based on a lie), it is respect for the dead soldier/airman/sailor. Buying a poppy is a way of showing that same respect.

[finnster01]

Surely we agree on all, sorry, most things Fulham Finn?

Indeed we do Sir.  :54:

[finnster01]

Earlier this year I was in Wootton Bassett when a dead soldier's coffin was driven down the main street. For those outside the UK, military who died in Iraq or Afghanistan are flown back to the UK near the small town of Wootton Bassett and the hearses drive through the town. Each time this happens the locals line the streets in their hundreds to pay their respect. My daughter was on leave and someone she knew had died in Afghanistan, so I accompanied her. It was the most moving experience I have ever known and, although I did not know the soldier, the tears flowed. If you told these people lining the streets that their respect could be construed as a political act, they would think you were crazy. It's nothing to do with whether you agree with a particular war or not (personally I think Blair should be tried for taking us to war based on a lie), it is respect for the dead soldier/airman/sailor. Buying a poppy is a way of showing that same respect.

:clap_hands: :Haynes The Maestro: 065.gif

[epsomraver]

Buying a poppy is a mark of respect and remembers the fallen, also the money raised helps keep places like the star and garter home going for those who came home in pieces.

[WhiteJC]

 
See pictures of England stars' special poppy boots



The Nike Swoosh is supposed to represent the Greek goddess's flight – but tomorrow at Wembley it could end up grounding the Poppy Appeal.

Nike's England players, including Theo Walcott, Scott Parker and Ashley Cole, will wear special boots with the poppy symbol woven into them and will be allowed to play in them because they are not part of the England strip.

But after a week of political sensitivity over allowing players to display the poppy on their sleeves, eyebrows are sure to be raised at the commercialisation of the symbol by a high-profile brand.

Nike will make a donation to the Poppy Appeal and players will donate their boots for the British Legion to auction.



http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Pictures-of-Nike-poppy-boots-to-be-worn-by-England-stars-including-Ashley-Cole-Theo-Walcott-and-Scott-Parker-article829116.html

[os5889]

I am horrified with the TV choices around 11 am in the UK, BBC has Filthy rotten Scoundrels and Waybuloo, ITV at least has a not about covering the 2 minute silence during this morning!

[epsomraver]

I am horrified with the TV choices around 11 am in the UK, BBC has Filthy rotten Scoundrels and Waybuloo, ITV at least has a not about covering the 2 minute silence during this morning!

BBC is run by trendy lefties all living in Islington by day and tents at St Pauls by night

[os5889]

#eng players observe two-minute silence in centre circle of Wembley. Perimeter hoarding emblazoned with 'Wear your poppy with pride'

[finnster01]

Front page photo of the Times today:

[WhiteJC]

In Flanders Fields

[jarv]

Interesting. Probably means more to older FoF members. My father was in the airforce 39-45 and stepfather spent 4 years in a German pow camp. Tough times. My stepfather would occasionally attend remembrance parades etc. Not often because he always ended in tears for his lost mates.
It is important to remember in any small way.

As far as football, England will wear the poppys but probably perform like a bunch of daffodils in the wind. (apart from BZ of course). :005:

[MrFantastic]

I know my comments many you do not agree with me. I understand that Fulham is English team and poppys are a UK thing and you will defend it because it is your country and your tradition. I didn't attack anybody point of view only disagreed with it. But some people on here can't take a different opinion would it really be appropriate if Germany remembered their dead soldiers during a game against Israel I think not but if you think it is fine that ok. many of you don't see a big picture of this and what can happen when other countries try to remember their dead soldiers, it can turn into a political statement. I also ask you why is there a need to remember these people at a football game under FIFA or UEFA. England should have had a game against a team of the army mixed up with them and there they could have done what ever they wanted and all money could have gone to soldiers who need help now. I again say I understand why many feel this way is your tradition and when a guy on here tried to defend colonization of India by Britain as a good thing that said everything,India might got more advanced but all money from India went to Britain. But everybody fells their country is the best. So I apologize for my comments this site is visited mostly by English people and their point of view will prevail so for now on I will comment only on real football matter and other things that will not go into politics and so on there.

[WhiteJC]

I know my comments many you do not agree with me. I understand that Fulham is English team and poppys are a UK thing and you will defend it because it is your country and your tradition. I didn't attack anybody point of view only disagreed with it. But some people on here can't take a different opinion would it really be appropriate if Germany remembered their dead soldiers during a game against Israel I think not but if you think it is fine that ok. many of you don't see a big picture of this and what can happen when other countries try to remember their dead soldiers, it can turn into a political statement. I also ask you why is there a need to remember these people at a football game under FIFA or UEFA. England should have had a game against a team of the army mixed up with them and there they could have done what ever they wanted and all money could have gone to soldiers who need help now. I again say I understand why many feel this way is your tradition and when a guy on here tried to defend colonization of India by Britain as a good thing that said everything,India might got more advanced but all money from India went to Britain. But everybody fells their country is the best. So I apologize for my comments this site is visited mostly by English people and their point of view will prevail so for now on I will comment only on real football matter and other things that will not go into politics and so on there.

the poppy is for ALL of the dead, not just the British, it's a mark of respect for their sacrifice not a political statement and certainly not a celebration of victory

[epsomraver]

Take a hike mate, your views are not wanted, also try punctuation,  you write the same gabbled garbage all the time, get out of breath reading it, if I could be bothered that is.

[Peabody]

Mr Fantastic, I agree you have a right to express an opinion and in this case I am sure you feel very deeply about this subject. However, your comments about British imperialism in India are a little mis guided. True, we did gain financially by our involvment on the sub-continent but did'nt other countries have designs on India, like France for instance and when it comes down to it, lots of other countries were imperialistic, like Spain, Turkey, Austria, Japan and arguably, the country with the most aggresive imperialistic ambitions was Germany and you have to admit, most countries did not welcome them with open arms. However, that is all in the past now...is'nt it?

[MrFantastic]

Take a hike mate, your views are not wanted, also try punctuation,  you write the same gabbled garbage all the time, get out of breath reading it, if I could be bothered that is.
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Take a hike mate, your views are not wanted, also try punctuation,  you write the same gabbled garbage all the time, get out of breath reading it, if I could be bothered that is.

People who can't argue attack other people because there is nothing they can say, I do respect and I would too honor Uk soldiers if I lived there for their fighting in ww1, ww2 and Afghanistan. They did do a lot for peace in the world during those wars, but if we let England remember their dead soldiers during football games that would open doors for other countries to do the same, countries that didn't have such respectable military history, Germany comes to mind first. My point was that FIFA shouldn't be forced to decide for which country is appropriate to remember their dead and against which national team. There is plenty of other venues and way to remember these people beside football games which are governed by FIFA there. I do feel strongly about this, I think many on here misunderstood my opinion as being against UK army but that is not like that. It came to my mind that what if Serbia wanted to remember their dead soldiers in a match against Bosnia I wouldn't want that, as I am sure Serbs wouldn't want that Bosnians remember their dead soldiers in a match against Serbia and that is why I feel strongly about this.