roy hodgson

[nose]

our best manager in many people's eyes
2 wins in his first 16 games if i counted correctly
and his first win was only after 8 games
rene's record is comparable to that, or am i missing something

i recall going to the away defeat at Newcastle in the freezing cold and snow under roy a manager i always liked, and we were an absolutely shambles, worse than the current team in many ways and wondered if my faith was misplaced..... but ther board kept their nerve and it paid off.

that is what they should have done now!

[NogoodBoyo]

I can only assume that Ali Mack saw something he didn't like behind the scenes.
Nogood "what I dunno, isit" Boyo

[Matt Inglis]

Did we concede 33 in 13 under Hodgson?
(Apologies if we actually did, just assuming we didn't)

[Putney]

4 wins actually.

The games under Hodgson were a lot harder than those under Meulensteen.

We conceded 18 in 13 under Roy.

[nose]

4 wins actually.

The games under Hodgson were a lot harder than those under Meulensteen.

We conceded 18 in 13 under Roy.

i take your word for it but what were the four wins in 16 games, i still make it two

[nose]

4 wins actually.

The games under Hodgson were a lot harder than those under Meulensteen.

We conceded 18 in 13 under Roy.

i take your word for it but what were the four wins in 16 games, i still make it two

got it yes 4 in 16 but my error was i mistook his start date so counted two games that he wasn't here...

But in fact he won two games in his first 14, which is still unimpressive and i think 3 wins in 16 because the 15th was reading and 16 th liverpool..because his first game was a draw with birmingham

[Putney]

Lewington was in charge for the Birmingham game IIRC




*that should be 0-2 for the Liverpool game under Hodgson. Keep thinking that Benayoun 1-0 game was that season when it wasn't.

[nose]

Lewington was in charge for the Birmingham game IIRC




*that should be 0-2 for the Liverpool game under Hodgson. Keep thinking that Benayoun 1-0 game was that season when it wasn't.

well we aren't going to fall out over this..it's late, i suppose it is mean to include the birnmingham game but what i was trying tio show was roy had a long run of extremely miserable reults and performances, i recall being very concerned just about the style of play.

i will be behinf=nd the lads as usual at albion where i vowed to go before the change.

[Putney]

well we aren't going to fall out over this..it's late, i suppose it is mean to include the birnmingham game but what i was trying tio show was roy had a long run of extremely miserable reults and performances, i recall being very concerned just about the style of play.

i will be behinf=nd the lads as usual at albion where i vowed to go before the change.

Although Hodgson was appointed in time for the Birmingham game, Lewington ran the training sessions, did the prep and managed them on game day, hence that game not being included in this as Roy had no input whatsoever.

It was miserable at times I agree, but we weren't getting thumped by other relegation fodder or looking completely hopeless. That Villa game was great, one of my favourites of that season.

[hovewhite]

Fulham ,we have been on a downward spiral since ray left,that's when it started to go wrong.

[nose]

Fulham ,we have been on a downward spiral since ray left,that's when it started to go wrong.

do you not think hughes had us playing well, he brought moose and when alll the injured players returned we started to do quite well, i was optimistic then

[Lighthouse]

Fulham ,we have been on a downward spiral since ray left,that's when it started to go wrong.

do you not think hughes had us playing well, he brought moose and when alll the injured players returned we started to do quite well, i was optimistic then

I agree Hughes eventually had things going very nicely and we were looking like a team again. When Hughes left, his statement ironically  hid the fact that what he was saying was correct and Jol never really got to terms with the team. Rene had the team playing better in bits and we had a goodish transfer window for once. Now we seem to have taken a step back again with a manager who hasn't had a job for a bit and never in the Prem. Khan giving all the praise of our transfer window to the MD and not mentioning our coach.

[HatterDon]

Fulham ,we have been on a downward spiral since ray left,that's when it started to go wrong.

do you not think hughes had us playing well, he brought moose and when alll the injured players returned we started to do quite well, i was optimistic then

Let's see, Hughes: one season, 2nd highest league finish in history, attractive football. Yeah, that sounds like a downward spiral.

[nose]

actually going back to my main point... roy had a dreadful start, some of the perfomances were totally dire and shambolic, it takes time.
rene i think was on the right lines, we shall now be cheated of the chance to see how it would have turned out. i am exceptionally pesimistic, margath may be the best manager in the world but under these conditions i think it is to great a task.
the board should have kept its nerve. slow to get rid of the abominable jol and too quick to get rid of rene.

[TonyGilroy]

actually going back to my main point... roy had a dreadful start, some of the perfomances were totally dire and shambolic, it takes time.
rene i think was on the right lines, we shall now be cheated of the chance to see how it would have turned out. i am exceptionally pesimistic, margath may be the best manager in the world but under these conditions i think it is to great a task.
the board should have kept its nerve. slow to get rid of the abominable jol and too quick to get rid of rene.

But which of us thought Rene was on the right lines after Swansea, Southampton and Sheffield United? That's the context of the change and Mackintosh/Khan clearly didn't change tack after Liverpool. Should they have done? Don't know.

[God The Mechanic]

Roy had managerial experience, Rene did/does not.  Maybe there were things seen behind the scenes that the powers that be didn't like.

Not that I wasn't surprised Rene got sacked, but comparing a guy with 20 years managerial experience across the entire globe almost to a guy who has managed for a year at most and unsuccessfully before getting the Fulham job is a bit pointless.

[TonyGilroy]

In many ways Rene is more Sanchez than Hodgson. Couldn't arrest the Coleman decline, had no relevant management experience, wasn't given much time and was replaced by a vastly experienced man.

[nose]

Roy had managerial experience, Rene did/does not.  Maybe there were things seen behind the scenes that the powers that be didn't like.

Not that I wasn't surprised Rene got sacked, but comparing a guy with 20 years managerial experience across the entire globe almost to a guy who has managed for a year at most and unsuccessfully before getting the Fulham job is a bit pointless.

i don't agree really.
i think experience is vastly overused term... most of the very experienced managers are failing
further rene was hardly an unkown quantity with all those years at man utd. i probably wouldn't have picked him, but he seemed to be going in the right directoin.
Once agian my point seems to be missed. Roy's start, exeperieinced or not was very poor in terms of performance on the field and results.... in fact the game at man city was a disaster until he had to eat his own prejudice and bring on kamara, a thing he really didn't want to do... for him it was a gamble for me it was obvious (i am not saying i am better than roy, clearly not but he made a bad team selection error on that day).

under khan, roy would have got the boot, no doubt... i didn't think i would have to put it in such simplistic terms.

[nose]

In many ways Rene is more Sanchez than Hodgson. Couldn't arrest the Coleman decline, had no relevant management experience, wasn't given much time and was replaced by a vastly experienced man.

see my reply above, the whole sanchez thing is always a good discussion point. he clearly made errors, he wasn't given ong enough, and was excessively unlucky, i can real off the games such as arsenal away (bent ref) middlesboro home (bent ref) and so on and so forth.

actually roy was always a favourite of mine and any time i mentioned his name for us or england before we got him i was shouted down.  i had the same feeling about rene, i think in the long run he was the correct man and would have come good.... we will now never know.

[GloucesterWhite]

The main difference between Roy and Rene's reigns is that Rene took over a team that was even worse than that inherited by Roy because of lack of investment over 2 years. When Khan finally woke up and realised that money had to be spent, Rene was not given enough time to work with the new players - the star buy hasn't even played yet. Roy was allowed the time to pull it around, but Khan has pushed the panic button.