What else would you like to see on FOF?

[Count Berbatov]

I would love there to be a dedicated Fulham related forum and another one for everything else. Be it random chat, other teams, political or tech or whatever else. Each sub forum, could have their sticky s and go from there. I feel like I get in some people's way when I talk about other teams, players or sports, on this Fulham forum.

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The problem with this is that so much of the cat about other players, teams is related to upcoming opponents or potential transfers, etc.

Well, that would be Fulham related. I was talking more about other topics, like Android v Apple, other sports etc. Basically anything that requires NFR in the title. Transfers, teams Fulham play, players connection belong to the Fulham one, is how I see it

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That's basically what the Exiles forum is for.

Un-believable ! never noticed it before. I think, when I initially signed up and didn't know my way around, I bypassed any other but the General forum, which i subscribed for. that's where i started posting and never looked back.
...my kids are taking over this computer and i noticed the caps is not working anymore... fp.gif

[WhiteJC]

I've managed to add a photo as a background, this will probably be updated at some point. I've contacted someone at the club and asked if we can have permission to use one of the images they have of either the Johnny Haynes or Hammy End stands.

if any of you have photos that you've taken and consider they would be suitable please let me know

[WhiteJC]

Getting rid of the "there's been X amount of new posts since blah blah" thing that comes up if you post something in a busy thread and someone else has posted.

That would be grand.

this is a standard 'feature' of the message board software, I'll see if it can be disabled

as far as I can see this is a non-editable part of the software, I've asked the folks at Simple Machines if this can be altered but I'm guessing that without upgrading to the latest release then the answer will be no. In case you wondering why we don't just upgrade there's an issue with loosing members/threads from the databases, similar to when we moved hosts, I'f I'd have known that at the time I would have upgraded when we moved, so until I can find a way to ensure that all threads will remain I won't upgrade unless we have a serious problem with the site.

[WhiteJC]

I've managed to add a photo as a background, this will probably be updated at some point. I've contacted someone at the club and asked if we can have permission to use one of the images they have of either the Johnny Haynes or Hammy End stands.

if any of you have photos that you've taken and consider they would be suitable please let me know

thanks to epsomraver for the photo  :Haynes The Maestro:

[Logicalman]

I would love there to be a dedicated Fulham related forum and another one for everything else. Be it random chat, other teams, political or tech or whatever else. Each sub forum, could have their sticky s and go from there. I feel like I get in some people's way when I talk about other teams, players or sports, on this Fulham forum.

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The problem with this is that so much of the cat about other players, teams is related to upcoming opponents or potential transfers, etc.

Well, that would be Fulham related. I was talking more about other topics, like Android v Apple, other sports etc. Basically anything that requires NFR in the title. Transfers, teams Fulham play, players connection belong to the Fulham one, is how I see it

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That's basically what the Exiles forum is for.

Un-believable ! never noticed it before. I think, when I initially signed up and didn't know my way around, I bypassed any other but the General forum, which i subscribed for. that's where i started posting and never looked back.
...my kids are taking over this computer and i noticed the caps is not working anymore... fp.gif

Most of the members just go for the main one (this one) as its generally Fulham specific. You could hit the top link on your personalized area at the top (where it shows your name and logo) and click 'Show unread posts ...", and that should display all threads from all the FoF forums for you.   :drums:

[SadOldGit]

The 'original' format on the official site was good - easy to read and refer too.  At my advanced age I can't remember the name of the guy who set it up for the club.  He was a fan, not just a techie, but they pushed him out.  Anyway, THAT fomat was good, clear, good colours and user-friendly.

[Burt]

The 'original' format on the official site was good - easy to read and refer too.  At my advanced age I can't remember the name of the guy who set it up for the club.  He was a fan, not just a techie, but they pushed him out.  Anyway, THAT fomat was good, clear, good colours and user-friendly.

Paul Thorpe?

[FFCAli]

Getting rid of the "there's been X amount of new posts since blah blah" thing that comes up if you post something in a busy thread and someone else has posted.

That would be grand.

this is a standard 'feature' of the message board software, I'll see if it can be disabled

as far as I can see this is a non-editable part of the software, I've asked the folks at Simple Machines if this can be altered but I'm guessing that without upgrading to the latest release then the answer will be no. In case you wondering why we don't just upgrade there's an issue with loosing members/threads from the databases, similar to when we moved hosts, I'f I'd have known that at the time I would have upgraded when we moved, so until I can find a way to ensure that all threads will remain I won't upgrade unless we have a serious problem with the site.

That's a shame but thanks for trying.  What's the quickest way back to the thread one was on when you get fed up and give up trying to post?  I've had this problem a couple of times (on match day threads) and it's taken me ages to find my way back.  There doesn't seem to be a way to say "forget it!"

[The Equalizer]

The 'original' format on the official site was good - easy to read and refer too.  At my advanced age I can't remember the name of the guy who set it up for the club.  He was a fan, not just a techie, but they pushed him out.  Anyway, THAT fomat was good, clear, good colours and user-friendly.

Paul Thorpe?

Yup, twas Thorpey, after he knocked up the original TFI and was poached by the club.

[Airfix]

Going to shove my twopenceworth in about separating forum threads by type.  I'm not in favour (spelled correctly though FoF doesn't think so - and did you know that FoF shows as incorrectly spelled?).  I think that splitting stuff up too much means that you'd have to keep eyes on many different forum sections to keep the entertainment value.  I've stumbled across some cracking threads on here which I would have missed if they'd been in a forum section that I don't read much.

[RidgeRider]

My view is that the moderators can have whatever type of board they like. I don't want to run it so I'll abide by their rules and not create waves but if they invite suggestions then surely ANY observation is fair comment whether or not suggestions are accepted.

Well-put. I agree.

WW's suggestion may not be popular; nor may it be a suggestion that the moderators are prepared to consider - less still implement. Yet neither the suggestion itself, nor the manner in which it was suggested, are offensive. To threaten to ban WW if he posts again regarding his suggestion is, in my opinion, heavy-handed.

In fairness, I agree that Admin can do exactly as he chooses; irrespective of the rules, it is his site. Every time, however, that this particular 'card' is played, it surely has an impact beyond the person at whom it is directed. In any society - even one as loosely-bound as this forum - it helps if those who enforce the rules have the tolerance to do so justly. (When the policeman 'duffs up' the harmless dissenter, even non-dissenters will feel a sense of uneasiness. This is, of course, a melodramatic example, but it serves to illustrate my point.)

(For this - aired without malice and as politely as I can find the words to express - I know that I, too, may receive a post similar to WW's or, indeed, a ban. Que sera sera.)

Arthur, you make a good point about that members should be allowed to voice their opinion openly in this thread because this is what the thread was trying to invite but I think it was primality targeted at 'look and feel' and content....which I suppose cursing is, technically speaking.

Personally, I think cursing is what I did as a young man. I am 10 years younger than Mr. Gilroy and while I occasionally blurt out a curse word in anger, I would never speak that way in front of my children (he likely doesn't either), nor do I think it has a place in polite society....call me 'old-fashioned" but cursing by pure nature is lowest common denominator, aggressive and negative......it can be funny as well! When I have suggested to posters to curb their cursing habit I suggest to raise their IQ a little and come up with a more creative way to express yourself that still gets the point across.

Admin and the Mods have tried hard to make the place as fair as we can, accepting we are all prone to getting it wrong once in awhile. :) So keep the suggestions coming.....please. Our intention has always been to make this place better, friendly and fair.

[TonyGilroy]

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. I am 10 years younger than Mr. Gilroy and while I occasionally blurt out a curse word in anger, I would never speak that way in front of my children (he likely doesn't either),
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Yes I do. Frequently and them to me. Not as a curse but as emphasis which is an aspect of language that I think is widely accepted these days.

There really is no modern humour without it these days.

[Logicalman]

freedom of speech?

Oh, and if you want to really throw the cat amongst the pigeons how about a Politics thread....? 086.gif

I'd tentatively suggest that the rules on language are 50 years out of date and I speak as a 63 year old father of three daughters.

All the suggestions above come with some merit.

I would say though that the first comes with a responsibility that most MBs find their members find difficult handle. The old offal was a perfect example of this, and I believe was one of the reasons taken down by the club (the moderators were there for login issues, rather than content). When a member exercises his/her freedom to express their opinion, rarely do they consider that what they say might be libelous towards one or more other people, and for any site to permit that content might provide an opportunity for the site itself to both become subject of a suit, as well as subject of a disclosure order for the miscreant that posted the original comment.

Concerning Political threads, there was one rule that most companies try to abide by, and that is to avoid Politics and Religion, as both have the opportunity to lead to comments as mentioned above, together with a 'lines drawn' scenario, which brings others into the affray. Both of these subject matter are divisive and often lead to locked threads (perfect example is the thread regarding Margaret Thatcher). There are many other forums out there dedicated to both the Political and Religious debates.

In respect of the rules on language, it is very difficult to come to a suitable level at which all members, or even a majority, would feel comfortable. There is leeway given to most posts, but some words are simply not permitted, as context plays a large part. I guess the generally accepted rule of thumb might be if that language was acceptable in the office or at someones house with children present. The strictest test would be if that language would be permitted in court (not during verbatim testimony of course).

If your post have been moderated for any of the above, then you should contact the Mods and ask why. The MB is there for everyone to enjoy, and that includes the Mods, who prefer to read, enjoy, and reply to threads, rather than finding a reason to have to moderate it.

So, please be patient with the Mods when they try to enforce the rules, its not only to keep some level of harmony on FoF but also to avoid any possibility of action being taken against the site or any individual members.

[Sgt Fulham]

I honestly think that the board is well moderated. I've never really been interested in political threads or anything like that so I can't really talk about locked threads but the one time I have been in contact with a moderator they have been friendly when explaining why my thread was locked - on most forums they don't take the time to justify their actions. One also very kindly made me my logo. Furthermore on the topic of cursing I think they do it perfectly. They let it slide in tense times or times of high emotion but don't let the place become unruly, although I really do wish that '****' was not turned to 'poo' because it looks a bit out of place. Would rather simple stars or something like that.

Like the new background a lot. One suggestion would be a side list of other sub-forums and an addition of an NFR sub-forum. This would make it more practical to separate the two but not impractical as so that users do not use this feature.

Thanks!

[FPT]

I hate that thing where there's a big debate on, or someone's posted a response to a big reply and it clogs up a lot.

You quote, but then you have to refind what you're were looking for.

Just to make it easier. Or maybe when you quote reply someone else's quote reply, it just takes their reply rather than their quote...

If you catch me.

[HatterDon]

I hate that thing where there's a big debate on, or someone's posted a response to a big reply and it clogs up a lot.

You quote, but then you have to refind what you're were looking for.

Just to make it easier. Or maybe when you quote reply someone else's quote reply, it just takes their reply rather than their quote...

If you catch me.

abede abede abede ... wha?

[Black, White and Fred]

A Leauge table of Addiction to the forum. You could be ranked by time logged in and then by posts for those who are interested.

[HatterDon]

A Leauge table of Addiction to the forum. You could be ranked by time logged in and then by posts for those who are interested.

that information is already available. Look at the bottom of the forums page. It'll give some statistics and then there's a link where you can see more.

http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?action=stats

[Burt]

The swearing one is an interesting issue.

Swearing is part of everyday life now, as Tony points out. It's all over the place - TV, the media, everyday conversations, etc. etc. I am no angel, I swear at home, at work, socially, and particularly watching Fulham this season.

In the context of message boards such as this, I actually don't believe in swearing and like Ridgerider tend to take quite a firm line against it. Not because I am a prude (far from it) but more for the following reasons:

1. Used within posts on a forum the printed word can easily be misinterpreted, it's not the same as a conversation down the pub where you can keep track of a conversation, contribute real-time, course-correct straight away etc. and the broader context and intent can be seen.

2. Where would we draw the line as moderators? This also knocks on to what some people find acceptable may be offensive to others. So is s**t OK? What about b******s? F**k? And what about the dreaded C-bomb (no, not Chelsea, but the 4 letter one?). Far easier to ban the lot over have endless debates over why one swear word is more acceptable than another.

3. Following on from (2), there is also a fine line about swearing about things and swearing aimed at others. In my experience, you allow swearing on a forum and it is a short-cut to people ending up abusing each other and before you know it, the forum has degenerated in to a nursery.

The easiet option is to ban it. I think one of the reasons why FOF is as well regarded as it is lies partly on the ban of bad language. This helps to promote tolerance and respect, which we have a good reputation for on here. Allowing bad language would erode that.

Just my opinion. Feel free to disagree, and if the other mods want to ban me for the use of my bad langauge above then so be it  :dft011:

[TonyGilroy]

I wouldn't be a moderator and for that reason accept their decisions without complaint.

There is though a difference between using certain words in an abusive context and using them for humour or emphasis.

"You're a ******" is obviously different from "what a ****ing goal" and I don't think it should be difficult to tell the difference.

The C word is always unusable in polite company, the f word sometimes but s**t? Is that really unsayable?