Ruiz off and we dominate

[MJG]

People saying Ruiz would be fine with two wingers.. Are you advocating we only play one striker then with Ruiz behind him?
Because if you are not then you  want Ruiz as one of two central midfielders which quite frankly would be bloody suicide. Also you won't get anywhere in this league without two strikers playing up top.

[Holders]

I'm certainly not. If we did that I'd be playing Smith up top with McC behind him but that's far from what we've been doing and too adventurous in my view in our (and Kit's) present position.

[MJG]

I'm certainly not. If we did that I'd be playing Smith up top with McC behind him but that's far from what we've been doing and too adventurous in my view in our (and Kit's) present position.

so how would you fit him into the team to get the best out of him?

[Holders]

I'm certainly not. If we did that I'd be playing Smith up top with McC behind him but that's far from what we've been doing and too adventurous in my view in our (and Kit's) present position.

so how would you fit him into the team to get the best out of him?

Not in that formation, certainly. He needs to operate in a team that's dominating the midfield in the way that Murphy and Etuhu did but we don't have their equivalent at present. It's an enigma and I watch to see if Kit can sort it as he refines his team.

[MJG]

I'm certainly not. If we did that I'd be playing Smith up top with McC behind him but that's far from what we've been doing and too adventurous in my view in our (and Kit's) present position.

so how would you fit him into the team to get the best out of him?

Not in that formation, certainly. He needs to operate in a team that's dominating the midfield in the way that Murphy and Etuhu did but we don't have their equivalent at present. It's an enigma and I watch to see if Kit can sort it as he refines his team.

I'll try again... Where would you play him in a Fulham team to get the best out of him?  What would be the formation. Forget personal,  where in a fantasy team would you play him.


Then with the current players how would you play him?


I'm just interested in how we can get best from him.

[Holders]

I'm certainly not. If we did that I'd be playing Smith up top with McC behind him but that's far from what we've been doing and too adventurous in my view in our (and Kit's) present position.

so how would you fit him into the team to get the best out of him?

Not in that formation, certainly. He needs to operate in a team that's dominating the midfield in the way that Murphy and Etuhu did but we don't have their equivalent at present. It's an enigma and I watch to see if Kit can sort it as he refines his team.

I'll try again... Where would you play him in a Fulham team to get the best out of him?  What would be the formation. Forget personal,  where in a fantasy team would you play him.


Then with the current players how would you play him?


I'm just interested in how we can get best from him.

He was at his best when he played with Dempsey, some of their interplay was sublime. How we recreate that with the current personnel (perhaps David?) I do not know them well enough to comment but that does not mean that I give up on hoping to see it.

[MJG]

Blimey easier getting blood out of a stone.

[Holders]

I thought I'd made myself perfectly clear!

[MrProphet]

Really have no idea what ruiz is and what people have seen of him to think he will ever be a success in England

He doesn't track back has no fight in him dwells on the ball to long and can't compute the situation quick enough to release the man.

Having been there today and against Blackburn and nearly every other time he's pulled on the shirt I can safely say that seeing his name on the team sheet drives me crazy

We don't have enough wingers to consistently play 4-4-2 so I'd stick with the midfield in a diamond

             LVC
Parker.        Hyndman
          David

[MJG]

Sorry It's just all I read about Ruiz is... If we had runners wide... If he played here... If he played there...
But as soon as you push people to give a formation with players no one seems to name one.  You knew enough to make the comment that wingers were on the bench,  but when I ask you to name a formation with Ruiz in to get the best you say you don't know them well enough.

Let's face it,  he can't hack it,  we were a better team when he went off.

[TrexFFC]

So Ruiz can't even be an option off the bench?  My gripe with the original poster is that Ruiz was called useless. I'm sorry I don't agree with that.  If Kit doesn't want to start him anymore I won't cry on the floor about it but I'm sure he can help us in certain ways/situations.

[RidgeRider]

He is useless in english football. David far superior option to him.

Quite a few people agree, myself included but any Ruiz bashing is extremely frowned upon on here. Just not cut out for the English game.

By whom?

[Captain Fulhamerica]

Ruiz needs too much time on the ball. He's effective when given space, but doesn't get it in the English game. End of story.

[Deanothefulhamfan]

I think MJ's statue has hit the nail on the head, he is a very good player when he has time on the ball, to give him such time on the ball he need's a free role, I am not sure if we have this luxury though in truth.

We need to start Woodrow, and Possibly David, but I do think Ruiz can play some sort of role for us, maybe if RM get's injured.

[..FOF..]

Ruiz needs too much time on the ball. He's effective when given space, but doesn't get it in the English game. End of story.

Probably better as sub?... bring him in when needed towards the last quarter of the game, maybe.

[BestOfBrede]

Well Lee obviously thinks he is a dangerous player. It seemed to me that his instructions were to stop Bryan at all costs! Ruiz does keep defenders occupied allowing some space for others, if nothing else. I thought he played well, even considering the close attention he was given. I'm not saying that I prefer him to young David, though, who I would like to see more of for his direct running. I just think that saying Ruiz is useless is a bit useless in itself!

[Black, White and Fred]

Really have no idea what ruiz is and what people have seen of him to think he will ever be a success in England

He doesn't track back has no fight in him dwells on the ball to long and can't compute the situation quick enough to release the man.

Having been there today and against Blackburn and nearly every other time he's pulled on the shirt I can safely say that seeing his name on the team sheet drives me crazy

We don't have enough wingers to consistently play 4-4-2 so I'd stick with the midfield in a diamond

             LVC
Parker.        Hyndman
          David

LVC and David are both attacking Mids so I don't understand your four at all

Parker (DM)

[b+w geezer]

It's about combinations, not individuals. As individuals, Bryan, Chris David and Ross McCormack are among the best footballers at the club. However, there is only room for two of them at a time with one is either placed upfront or on the wing. That was the case during the first, woeful hour at Birmingham.

When we had two runners busting a gut upfront and just one of those others sitting behind, then strings actually got pulled and it worked.

So I'd not personalise it either in terms of pointing fingers or deciding that such-and-such a player is too talented to be omitted. To put it another way, if Ross had been the one to depart yesterday, that might also have worked -- and it might on another occasion. What got added was the key.

[MrProphet]

Really have no idea what ruiz is and what people have seen of him to think he will ever be a success in England

He doesn't track back has no fight in him dwells on the ball to long and can't compute the situation quick enough to release the man.

Having been there today and against Blackburn and nearly every other time he's pulled on the shirt I can safely say that seeing his name on the team sheet drives me crazy

We don't have enough wingers to consistently play 4-4-2 so I'd stick with the midfield in a diamond

            LVC
Parker.        Hyndman
         David

LVC and David are both attacking Mids so I don't understand your four at all

Parker (DM)

I did put parker and LVC the wrong way round I do apologise but I wouldn't say he's an attacking mid

[One Martin Thomas]

"Woodrow on and we started to play better" is my conclusion from yesterday ... why 'cos until he came on, no one had chased the ball down.  He pressurised their defence and that started to creep into our other players.