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The Official Next Manager Discussion Thread

Started by Rhys Lightning 63, November 07, 2015, 04:14:56 PM

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WORTHINGFULHAM

My view on the matter is if we are looking at pearson or lambert then we are not setting the bar particularly high in terms of expectations and long term success. We should be going for the big names with an intent to show we mean business and the long term goal is just that. Yes pearson and lambert are good managers although I am not so sure they are great managers or ever will be. Fayed bought in Keegan and no one expected that, we got Van Der Sar from juve and no one expected that either, but we aimed high and sold the dream. What with our new stand about to be developed, a great youth team and youngsters to suit, a strong squad and a chairman with money there is no reason why we shouldn't be setting our sights higher.
You get what you pay for and your Pearsons and Lamberts, hasslebanks, etc dosent say to me "we want success and we will get it with this guy" its a cheaper option and in my opinion not much of an improvement on kit.

MJG

All those saying no to JFH would you take Gary Rowett?

FPT

Quote from: love4ffc on November 10, 2015, 12:31:03 PM
Quote from: MJG on November 10, 2015, 11:50:28 AM
Quote from: Burt on November 10, 2015, 11:48:26 AM
Quote from: HamsterWheel on November 10, 2015, 11:12:52 AM
Haisselbank now in to 5/4 favourite (Sky Bet). Summats up !

We're in a fight with QPR over his services, if some of the media are to be believed.
Fernandes Vs Khan on Hammersmith Broadway tonight, to the winner goes the spoils...or JFH

I'd take Khan to win a fight against Fernandes.  :028:




FPT

Rumours picking up on Oscar Garcia. Would be a strong move by the club.

nose

Quote from: WORTHINGFULHAM on November 10, 2015, 12:45:09 PM
My view on the matter is if we are looking at pearson or lambert then we are not setting the bar particularly high in terms of expectations and long term success. We should be going for the big names with an intent to show we mean business and the long term goal is just that. Yes pearson and lambert are good managers although I am not so sure they are great managers or ever will be. Fayed bought in Keegan and no one expected that, we got Van Der Sar from juve and no one expected that either, but we aimed high and sold the dream. What with our new stand about to be developed, a great youth team and youngsters to suit, a strong squad and a chairman with money there is no reason why we shouldn't be setting our sights higher.
You get what you pay for and your Pearsons and Lamberts, hasslebanks, etc dosent say to me "we want success and we will get it with this guy" its a cheaper option and in my opinion not much of an improvement on kit.

I understand what you say and the keegan days were seductive and we were the genuine only big spenders then.
There is some merit to what you say but just to balance the argument, a big name does not guarantee success and in fact what may be needed is a manager that knows how to get a team promoted, then say thank you and move on, as Southampton did.  Pearson/lambert know what is needed and how to do it, I wouldn't rule them out. the issue will be what we should do if they were in fact successful.

I would also like a big name for obvious reasons, but who?

JFH would be a gamble but IMO could be a very good fit and worth it... he has done well, he will be respected, he has gained promotion, he is intelligent and he speaks better english than most of the players! There are genuinely no guarantees with any choice as we all know, and now curbs seems to want the job, he has also done it before and done well, maybe he is the right man. I honestly don't know. But getting promotion is a specialist job a big name may well be wrong at this stage, but it equally may not be.... sorry for the ramble!

Asotosyios

Quote from: MJG on November 10, 2015, 12:51:50 PM
All those saying no to JFH would you take Gary Rowett?

Just to take it a step further: all those saying no to JFH, would you have taken Alex Neil last year?


Neil D

Quote from: WORTHINGFULHAM on November 10, 2015, 12:45:09 PM
My view on the matter is if we are looking at pearson or lambert then we are not setting the bar particularly high in terms of expectations and long term success.
You get what you pay for and your Pearsons and Lamberts, hasslebanks, etc dosent say to me "we want success and we will get it with this guy" its a cheaper option and in my opinion not much of an improvement on kit.
Fair enough.  Time to name the big names who will be attracted to a md-ranking Championship club...

nose

Slaviša Jokanović the watford manager (ex) now at maccabi tel aviv could be a good option, look what he did in the turmoil there!

Wimbledon_White

#368
I find it astounding that people are saying we are already showing a lack of ambition.

Who exactly do you expect us to be attracting?

We are in The Championship and our budgets wont get us a Moyes, Rodgers or Allardyce. We can ask...but it would be futile.

The Lamberts, Pearsons, Bruces and Makays of this world are not us showing a 'lack of ambition'; quite the contrary, we are showing we have some self-awareness and realism.



MJG

I've mentioned it here and on Cottage talk that I think you have three choices when picking a new manager:

1- The Big name signing, push the boat out and go for it..Moyes, Rodgers, Montella etc

2- The safe championship option, Pearson, Lambert, Rosler etc

3- The gamble, the left field newcomer. Could be a young up and coming manager from L1/2 or a coach who has a great reputation

I could argue for and against all three options and i'm torn between wanting a name like Moyes, the solid safe hands of Lambert and the excitement of a new fairly untested coach with a good reputation in JFH (or others).

If they were all sat in front of us and all had said yes and we would pay what they wanted, im sure 90% plus would go with Option 1, I'd like to take a fly at option 3 as well, but in reality, who do I think would get us out the championship?..at the moment Lambert (or similar).

Wimbledon_White

Quote from: MJG on November 10, 2015, 01:04:15 PM
I've mentioned it here and on Cottage talk that I think you have three choices when picking a new manager:

1- The Big name signing, push the boat out and go for it..Moyes, Rodgers, Montella etc

2- The safe championship option, Pearson, Lambert, Rosler etc

3- The gamble, the left field newcomer. Could be a young up and coming manager from L1/2 or a coach who has a great reputation

I could argue for and against all three options and i'm torn between wanting a name like Moyes, the solid safe hands of Lambert and the excitement of a new fairly untested coach with a good reputation in JFH (or others).

If they were all sat in front of us and all had said yes and we would pay what they wanted, im sure 90% plus would go with Option 1, I'd like to take a fly at option 3 as well, but in reality, who do I think would get us out the championship?..at the moment Lambert (or similar).

If all sat in front saying yes...then clearly we go for a big name "coup" manager....Moyes is a better manager than all of the safe options or the young-up-and-coming types. Clearly we should that them.

I am just saying it's pie in the sky.

I hope I am wrong mind.

nose

Quote from: MJG on November 10, 2015, 01:04:15 PM
I've mentioned it here and on Cottage talk that I think you have three choices when picking a new manager:

1- The Big name signing, push the boat out and go for it..Moyes, Rodgers, Montella etc

2- The safe championship option, Pearson, Lambert, Rosler etc

3- The gamble, the left field newcomer. Could be a young up and coming manager from L1/2 or a coach who has a great reputation

I could argue for and against all three options and i'm torn between wanting a name like Moyes, the solid safe hands of Lambert and the excitement of a new fairly untested coach with a good reputation in JFH (or others).

If they were all sat in front of us and all had said yes and we would pay what they wanted, im sure 90% plus would go with Option 1, I'd like to take a fly at option 3 as well, but in reality, who do I think would get us out the championship?..at the moment Lambert (or similar).

As  you know there are no guarantees. I think what we all want is the quickest route back to the prem (if that is at all possible). The right man (whatever that means) from any of your three groups could be 'the one.'
I was in the safe pair of hands camp, so a pearson or lambert (as you may recall I still think poyet a good choice too) BUT I had not consodered JFH or the ex watford manager Slaviša Jokanović, and either of these two would also seem to be very good candidates.

The silence from the club is deafening so I am hoping a positive announcement may be close.


alexmur

Quote from: Ordar on November 10, 2015, 12:20:23 PM
Hasselbaink now 10/11 on with Skybet.

Moyes second favourite at 6/1

Anyone else think that JFH would be a HUGE risk? I'll be annoyed if we don't at least approach Moyes
massive risk we might as well kept kit

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alexmur

I see John carver wants the job, I had a nightmare about that a while ago. but I guess he is the best coach in England lol

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Wearethewhites

Quote from: Wimbledon_White on November 10, 2015, 01:01:17 PM
I find it astounding that people are saying we are already showing a lack of ambition.

Who exactly do you expect us to be attracting?

We are in The Championship and our budgets wont get us a Moyes, Rodgers or Allardyce. We can ask...but it would be futile.

The Lamberts, Pearsons, Bruces and Makays of this world are not us showing a 'lack of ambition'; quite the contrary, we are showing we have some self-awareness and realism.



To be fair, you did constantly bang on about how Kit would be here for the rest of the season, only for him to be sacked 16 games in, so it'll be likely that we'll end up attracting one of the above names.


Burt

I think Kit will eventually make it as a manager, but given the stated aim of the club was a top 6 finish this season he was never going to make it here. He is still learning "on the job" and in retrospect if the club were serious about going up this season then a rookie should never have been appointed in the first place. It's easy to say that in hindsight though. But for me that does make Jimmy Floyd Hasseilbank a risky option.

It could be argued that we are now finding our natural level. We have spent most of our existence in the second tier, and we are not a large club by any stretch. Given the financial fair play regs, gone are the days when a MAF-like sugar-daddy will bankroll an expensive promotion push. To that end, why would someone like Moyes want to come here when in a couple of months time he will have a few premier league opportunities to choose from?

Having seen us in all 4 divisions my expectations are not as high as some as I view our time in the premier league as us punching above our weight as opposed to us having a god-given right to remain there. And that will probably impact our ability to attract a heavy hitter like Moyes in to the job.

Oh well, we will soon see.

Whoever it is will hopefully get a warm welcome and the backing of all of us. We do have a tendency to write people off before they have had a chance to do anything...

Nick Bateman

One was surprised in the dismissal of Kit Symons however it shows the board, namely owner Khan, has a lot of ambition for this revered London club.  Had he stuck with Symons, as many wanted, it would have been probably a slow progress taking years while our 'rookie' manager cut his teeth.

Unlike the premature sacking of the exciting René Meulensteen which indirectly caused Fulham's demotion from the PL, the board do not seem to have a ready replacement, hence I would like to tender an appropriate and capable manager in waiting, known other than Glenn Hoddle.

Hoddle many would say, has been away from actively managing a club, but he has been heavily involved in coaching youth setups and offered his services to Tottenham Hotspur, when the club mistakedly opted for the incompetant blagger Tim Sherwood.

Hoddle's style of football suits Fulham - he appreciates the 'beautiful game' choosing to pass and keep possession rather than "lump it" as so many do in the Championship and t'up North!  He would be an ideal partner in charge of Fulham's evolving team, and those who remember of our rich history would recognise the symbiosis betwist both club and manager.

Rather than opt for a vociferous whinger such as Brendan Rodgers, I would throw my cap in with Hoddle to lead Fulham to greater destiny.
Nick Bateman "knows his footie"

Nick Bateman

One would like to add, he is the most intelligent sounding commentator on the telly, often using technical dialogue to clearly illustrate where things are going awry.
Nick Bateman "knows his footie"


Apprentice to the Maestro

I lost all will to read on after "One was surprised in the dismissal of Kit Symons . . .".

HamsterWheel

Think I'd prefer the Michael Jackson statue back as manager in preference to Hoddle.