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Newcastle aren't messing around

Started by Wearethewhites, June 29, 2016, 02:23:42 PM

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Wearethewhites

Close on Marcus Gayle for 8.5M (Townsend not connected) Matt Richie for 12M

Near enough bankrupt Blackburn sign their 5th player

Fulham  :022:

Chutney

Our lack of recruitment suggests we have absolutely no intention of fighting for promotion in the coming season, although I'm hoping that I get made to eat these words asap. Unless we make several top signings between now and the end of the window we will be in for another relegation battle.

I am desperate for us to make a statement of intent transfer to get the ball rolling but also worried that it may never happen.

McCormack was signed two years ago now and we need more players on his level brought in to the club if we are to progress and not end up in league 1.
C O Y W

Horsfield_No9

11 teams in the championship still with 0 singings and many like us on 1. Blackburn are the exception. Don't sweat it, window not officially open until July 1st.

I'm sure they've been working hard behind the scenes for some time.

On another note, we aren't exactly gonna be competing with Newcastle in any case. Huge club, already great squad, great manager, back in the Prem next year, Us? Well I dunno about you but I'd settle for mid table if offered it now. We simply aren't a Prem team any more so may as well be realistic.
First game: Fulham 4 Burnley 0, December 12th 1998.


westcliff white

Newcastle probably need an instant return otherwise massive issues FFP wise I would guess. They have the highest wage bill of any of the relagated 3 and any team in the bottom 6 last season apparently. Mitrovic alone is on a reported 35k a week, although the will shift Townsend and Wjynaldum they will still have some hefty earners. So basically they are going for broke.

Also have heard that the Gayle fee is neaer 11 million in total, 8.5 now and rest if they go up and goals scored.
Every day is a Fulham day

Fulham76

Quote from: Horsfield_No9 on June 29, 2016, 02:33:10 PM
11 teams in the championship still with 0 singings and many like us on 1. Blackburn are the exception. Don't sweat it, window not officially open until July 1st.

I'm sure they've been working hard behind the scenes for some time.

On another note, we aren't exactly gonna be competing with Newcastle in any case. Huge club, already great squad, great manager, back in the Prem next year, Us? Well I dunno about you but I'd settle for mid table if offered it now. We simply aren't a Prem team any more so may as well be realistic.

The problem is we have a lot more work to do than all the other clubs.

Just 2 places lower last season & we'd be playing League 1 football now, that's how poor we've become. And when you also consider we've lost one of the leagues top scorers already in Dembele, it's safe to say we're currently worse than we were last season, which is a big worry because the few teams worse than us went down, (3 of the 4 anyway).

Horsfield_No9

Quote from: Fulham76 on June 29, 2016, 02:51:34 PM
Quote from: Horsfield_No9 on June 29, 2016, 02:33:10 PM
11 teams in the championship still with 0 singings and many like us on 1. Blackburn are the exception. Don't sweat it, window not officially open until July 1st.

I'm sure they've been working hard behind the scenes for some time.

On another note, we aren't exactly gonna be competing with Newcastle in any case. Huge club, already great squad, great manager, back in the Prem next year, Us? Well I dunno about you but I'd settle for mid table if offered it now. We simply aren't a Prem team any more so may as well be realistic.

The problem is we have a lot more work to do than all the other clubs.

Just 2 places lower last season & we'd be playing League 1 football now, that's how poor we've become. And when you also consider we've lost one of the leagues top scorers already in Dembele, it's safe to say we're currently worse than we were last season, which is a big worry because the few teams worse than us went down, (3 of the 4 anyway).


Everyone seems to obsessed with getting players in as soon as possible regardless of quality. I'd like to think they are taking their time to buy the RIGHT players not just getting bodies in to appease the fans.

Those saying Newcastle are "probably" bigger than us... really? Ha ha!
First game: Fulham 4 Burnley 0, December 12th 1998.


Wearethewhites

#6
Rumblings already that there is a power struggle between Rigg and Jokanovic over who wants what players. No doubt that I'll accused of not having a direct 'source' but I've no reason to doubt where my information comes from. Have been told that Riggs list differs somewhat to Jokanovics, and if Rigg had his way, O'Hara would be handed an extension rather than Delaney coming in. IF this is the case, then we've really learn't nothing from our past problems.

Chutney

Quote from: Fulham76 on June 29, 2016, 02:51:34 PM
Quote from: Horsfield_No9 on June 29, 2016, 02:33:10 PM
11 teams in the championship still with 0 singings and many like us on 1. Blackburn are the exception. Don't sweat it, window not officially open until July 1st.

I'm sure they've been working hard behind the scenes for some time.

On another note, we aren't exactly gonna be competing with Newcastle in any case. Huge club, already great squad, great manager, back in the Prem next year, Us? Well I dunno about you but I'd settle for mid table if offered it now. We simply aren't a Prem team any more so may as well be realistic.

The problem is we have a lot more work to do than all the other clubs.

Just 2 places lower last season & we'd be playing League 1 football now, that's how poor we've become. And when you also consider we've lost one of the leagues top scorers already in Dembele, it's safe to say we're currently worse than we were last season, which is a big worry because the few teams worse than us went down, (3 of the 4 anyway).


Exactly this. There is no point comparing us to other teams in the division as we have a lot of catching up to do with the vast majority of them, just look where we finished, even with the goals of McCormack and Dembele. So far we have shed some of the excess squad players but we have also lost one of the divisions top goal scorers, which means we have actually gone backwards so far this summer. We should be very worried unless we start making top quality signings over the next week or so.
C O Y W

NJFulham

Quote from: Chutney on June 29, 2016, 03:00:32 PM
Quote from: Fulham76 on June 29, 2016, 02:51:34 PM
Quote from: Horsfield_No9 on June 29, 2016, 02:33:10 PM
11 teams in the championship still with 0 singings and many like us on 1. Blackburn are the exception. Don't sweat it, window not officially open until July 1st.

I'm sure they've been working hard behind the scenes for some time.

On another note, we aren't exactly gonna be competing with Newcastle in any case. Huge club, already great squad, great manager, back in the Prem next year, Us? Well I dunno about you but I'd settle for mid table if offered it now. We simply aren't a Prem team any more so may as well be realistic.

The problem is we have a lot more work to do than all the other clubs.

Just 2 places lower last season & we'd be playing League 1 football now, that's how poor we've become. And when you also consider we've lost one of the leagues top scorers already in Dembele, it's safe to say we're currently worse than we were last season, which is a big worry because the few teams worse than us went down, (3 of the 4 anyway).


Exactly this. There is no point comparing us to other teams in the division as we have a lot of catching up to do with the vast majority of them, just look where we finished, even with the goals of McCormack and Dembele. So far we have shed some of the excess squad players but we have also lost one of the divisions top goal scorers, which means we have actually gone backwards so far this summer. We should be very worried unless we start making top quality signings over the next week or so.

IMO, there isn't a ton of difference between 10th and 20th in the Championship.


Horsfield_No9

Quote from: Chutney on June 29, 2016, 03:00:32 PM
Quote from: Fulham76 on June 29, 2016, 02:51:34 PM
Quote from: Horsfield_No9 on June 29, 2016, 02:33:10 PM
11 teams in the championship still with 0 singings and many like us on 1. Blackburn are the exception. Don't sweat it, window not officially open until July 1st.

I'm sure they've been working hard behind the scenes for some time.

On another note, we aren't exactly gonna be competing with Newcastle in any case. Huge club, already great squad, great manager, back in the Prem next year, Us? Well I dunno about you but I'd settle for mid table if offered it now. We simply aren't a Prem team any more so may as well be realistic.

The problem is we have a lot more work to do than all the other clubs.

Just 2 places lower last season & we'd be playing League 1 football now, that's how poor we've become. And when you also consider we've lost one of the leagues top scorers already in Dembele, it's safe to say we're currently worse than we were last season, which is a big worry because the few teams worse than us went down, (3 of the 4 anyway).


Exactly this. There is no point comparing us to other teams in the division as we have a lot of catching up to do with the vast majority of them, just look where we finished, even with the goals of McCormack and Dembele. So far we have shed some of the excess squad players but we have also lost one of the divisions top goal scorers, which means we have actually gone backwards so far this summer. We should be very worried unless we start making top quality signings over the next week or so.

I just don't think we are a draw for players any more. 2 years outside of the Prem and looking out of our depth at this level. I also don't believe our owner will want to spend more than 5m on a player. What do people realistically think our budget is? What with FFP I don't think we can spend more than 10m max.

People just need to be realistic and enjoy the fact we are still in the championship (a level of which we just about are worthy) I like this league and just hope we can stay in it. The Prem needs to not be talked about for some time.
First game: Fulham 4 Burnley 0, December 12th 1998.

MJG

Quote from: Wearethewhites on June 29, 2016, 03:00:31 PM
Rumblings already that there is a power struggle between Rigg and Jokanovic over who wants what players. No doubt that I'll accused of not having a direct 'source' but I've no reason to doubt where my information comes from. Have been told that Riggs list differs somewhat to Jokanovics, and if Rigg had his way, O'Hara would be handed an extension rather than Delaney coming in. IF this is the case, then we've really learn't nothing from our past problems.
So fact Ohara has not been given a contract shows whos winning then

Wearethewhites

Quote from: MJG on June 29, 2016, 03:07:29 PM
Quote from: Wearethewhites on June 29, 2016, 03:00:31 PM
Rumblings already that there is a power struggle between Rigg and Jokanovic over who wants what players. No doubt that I'll accused of not having a direct 'source' but I've no reason to doubt where my information comes from. Have been told that Riggs list differs somewhat to Jokanovics, and if Rigg had his way, O'Hara would be handed an extension rather than Delaney coming in. IF this is the case, then we've really learn't nothing from our past problems.
So fact Ohara has not been given a contract shows whos winning then

Its a fact that he hasn't been given another contract, yet, so yes, maybe Jokanovic is winning, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Be sure that Rigg will raise his ugly head at some point along the player acquisition stage, by either delaying proceeds, or even negotiating us out of potential deals.

Well done for managing to squeeze a fact in by the way, I knew it wouldn't take long.


MJG

Quote from: Wearethewhites on June 29, 2016, 03:27:47 PM
Quote from: MJG on June 29, 2016, 03:07:29 PM
Quote from: Wearethewhites on June 29, 2016, 03:00:31 PM
Rumblings already that there is a power struggle between Rigg and Jokanovic over who wants what players. No doubt that I'll accused of not having a direct 'source' but I've no reason to doubt where my information comes from. Have been told that Riggs list differs somewhat to Jokanovics, and if Rigg had his way, O'Hara would be handed an extension rather than Delaney coming in. IF this is the case, then we've really learn't nothing from our past problems.
So fact Ohara has not been given a contract shows whos winning then

Its a fact that he hasn't been given another contract, yet, so yes, maybe Jokanovic is winning, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Be sure that Rigg will raise his ugly head at some point along the player acquisition stage, by either delaying proceeds, or even negotiating us out of potential deals.

Well done for managing to squeeze a fact in by the way, I knew it wouldn't take long.

MJG

Quote from: Wearethewhites on June 29, 2016, 03:27:47 PM
Quote from: MJG on June 29, 2016, 03:07:29 PM
Quote from: Wearethewhites on June 29, 2016, 03:00:31 PM
Rumblings already that there is a power struggle between Rigg and Jokanovic over who wants what players. No doubt that I'll accused of not having a direct 'source' but I've no reason to doubt where my information comes from. Have been told that Riggs list differs somewhat to Jokanovics, and if Rigg had his way, O'Hara would be handed an extension rather than Delaney coming in. IF this is the case, then we've really learn't nothing from our past problems.
So fact Ohara has not been given a contract shows whos winning then

Its a fact that he hasn't been given another contract, yet, so yes, maybe Jokanovic is winning, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Be sure that Rigg will raise his ugly head at some point along the player acquisition stage, by either delaying proceeds, or even negotiating us out of potential deals.

Well done for managing to squeeze a fact in by the way, I knew it wouldn't take long.
There is actually a good chance if we dont bring players in then someone like Ohara who we have released could resign. We did it with Karagounis.

Wearethewhites

Quote from: Statto on June 29, 2016, 03:39:44 PM
Quote from: Wearethewhites on June 29, 2016, 03:27:47 PM
Quote from: MJG on June 29, 2016, 03:07:29 PM
Quote from: Wearethewhites on June 29, 2016, 03:00:31 PM
Rumblings already that there is a power struggle between Rigg and Jokanovic over who wants what players. No doubt that I'll accused of not having a direct 'source' but I've no reason to doubt where my information comes from. Have been told that Riggs list differs somewhat to Jokanovics, and if Rigg had his way, O'Hara would be handed an extension rather than Delaney coming in. IF this is the case, then we've really learn't nothing from our past problems.
So fact Ohara has not been given a contract shows whos winning then

Its a fact that he hasn't been given another contract, yet, so yes, maybe Jokanovic is winning, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Be sure that Rigg will raise his ugly head at some point along the player acquisition stage, by either delaying proceeds, or even negotiating us out of potential deals.

Well done for managing to squeeze a fact in by the way, I knew it wouldn't take long.

sorry but is all this supposed to be surprising or worrying?

the club have said ever since his appointment that rigg, just like any director of football, would have some input into transfer policy

at any club it's going to be a collective effort with input from the chairman, CEO, director of football, manager, statisticians, scouts et al...

if anything it's quite reassuring that, as MJG says, we seem to have given Jokanovic final say

Statto, no offence, but like a few others, you do love to throw around a few numbers, and automatically think that you know what goes on around this Club. Your knowledge is no greater, if not less than any one else, and I'd rather trust the judgement of my own people, thanks.

Just for the record, MJG doesn't know any different as to whether Jokanovic has the final say on players or not, so that statement is just absolutely ridiculous.


Apprentice to the Maestro

Quote from: Wearethewhites on June 29, 2016, 03:58:26 PM
Quote from: Statto on June 29, 2016, 03:39:44 PM
Quote from: Wearethewhites on June 29, 2016, 03:27:47 PM
Quote from: MJG on June 29, 2016, 03:07:29 PM
Quote from: Wearethewhites on June 29, 2016, 03:00:31 PM
Rumblings already that there is a power struggle between Rigg and Jokanovic over who wants what players. No doubt that I'll accused of not having a direct 'source' but I've no reason to doubt where my information comes from. Have been told that Riggs list differs somewhat to Jokanovics, and if Rigg had his way, O'Hara would be handed an extension rather than Delaney coming in. IF this is the case, then we've really learn't nothing from our past problems.
So fact Ohara has not been given a contract shows whos winning then

Its a fact that he hasn't been given another contract, yet, so yes, maybe Jokanovic is winning, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Be sure that Rigg will raise his ugly head at some point along the player acquisition stage, by either delaying proceeds, or even negotiating us out of potential deals.

Well done for managing to squeeze a fact in by the way, I knew it wouldn't take long.

sorry but is all this supposed to be surprising or worrying?

the club have said ever since his appointment that rigg, just like any director of football, would have some input into transfer policy

at any club it's going to be a collective effort with input from the chairman, CEO, director of football, manager, statisticians, scouts et al...

if anything it's quite reassuring that, as MJG says, we seem to have given Jokanovic final say

Statto, no offence, but like a few others, you do love to throw around a few numbers, and automatically think that you know what goes on around this Club. Your knowledge is no greater, if not less than any one else, and I'd rather trust the judgement of my own people, thanks.

Just for the record, MJG doesn't know any different as to whether Jokanovic has the final say on players or not, so that statement is just absolutely ridiculous.

I would rather trust the judgement of posters who don't deride the posts of others, particularly for their use of facts and numbers, over those who specialise in negative posts based on their anonymous 'own people'.

H4usuallysitting

Marcus Gayle?....... He must be about 45

Wearethewhites



RaySmith

It seems odd to get rid of O'Hara unless we know we can get someone better in to fulfil his role.

Maybe he will be resigned.

Wearethewhites

Quote from: RaySmith on June 29, 2016, 04:33:22 PM
It seems odd to get rid of O'Hara unless we know we can get someone better in to fulfil his role.

Maybe he will be resigned.

Well, his contract expired, so he naturally became unattached, but that doesn't mean we can't go back and offer him a new one/extension. I hope we don't, I personally feel that we have to move on from journeymen like O'Hara, or its just another slap in the face to what we've been told.