The Official Silly Season January Transfer Thread 2017/18

[Tabby]

Ryan Woods at Brentford.According to a QPR site Bizarrely.

Which one? The ones I checked are currently in meltdown as we're supposedly signing Freeman.

[Marcel_Gecov]

Nick Powell is forever going to be that promising youngster who is the next big thing, but before you know it he will be 29 having gone from championship to L1 and back again every few years and in the end nothing more than bog standard midfielder.

Disagree

On what grounds? He's achieved nothing.

[@jolslover]

Ryan Woods would be a top signing. Similar player to Norwood.

[Tabby]

Ryan Woods would be a top signing. Similar player to Norwood.

Not heard much about him myself but if this is another example of Brentford signing a gem from the English lower leagues, following on from Andre Gray, Scott Hogan... you have to say they're doing something right there

They use stats. Lots and lots of stats.

Hard to believe given the reaction to it on this board.

[Snibbo]

Ryan Woods would be a top signing. Similar player to Norwood.

Not heard much about him myself but if this is another example of Brentford signing a gem from the English lower leagues, following on from Andre Gray, Scott Hogan... you have to say they're doing something right there

They use stats. Lots and lots of stats.

Hard to believe given the reaction to it on this board.

:plus one:

[S.F.Sorrow]

Ryan Woods would be a top signing. Similar player to Norwood.

Not heard much about him myself but if this is another example of Brentford signing a gem from the English lower leagues, following on from Andre Gray, Scott Hogan... you have to say they're doing something right there

They use stats. Lots and lots of stats.

Hard to believe given the reaction to it on this board.

Brentford isn't using Tony Khan's stats company though. They must be using something that actually works for English football. I remember the press reporting that Kline wouldn't let us sign lower league player because our stats model only had data for the top two divisions in English football. Kline is history but we are still stuck with Tony Khan's company. Presumably using the same data and algorithms.

[Snibbo]

All conjecture.

Our transfer business post-stats has been better than pre-stats. We had some stinkers pre-stats - Mitroglou.

We've done some great business since stats - Malone, Aluko, Kebano, Ayite, Johansen.

[Mince n Tatties]

George Williams(forgotten man)off to St Johnstone.

[aaronmcguigan]

I'm sure the data is out there for every player in every league. Things like that, pass completion, key passes, shots, dribbles etc are readily available on indepth betting apps, things like soccerbase and so on, so that depth is free and I'm sure if you can invest to send someone to Belgium to scout a Kebano, we can send a few scouts or computers out to analyse a few matches in the lower leagues.

I don't see why , in the pursuit of success, efficiency and development that we ignore certain leagues, certain ages etc. It doesn't hold any logic , and potentially only works if you have THEE best academy in terms of recruitment and results,  in the country, where you can have confidence that the best young players in the country have already been seen and scouted at an earlier level

[Riverside]

George Williams(forgotten man)off to St Johnstone.

Loan or sold ?


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[DevonFFC]

George Williams(forgotten man)off to St Johnstone.

Loan or sold ?


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End of season loan

[KJS]

Will be good for him as he needs game time

[MrD1879]

George Williams(forgotten man)off to St Johnstone.

Unfortunately the calibre of the club he is going to shows how far his stock has fallen. Real shame as thought and hoped he would make it

[@jolslover]

Our transfer business post-stats has been better than pre-stats.

Sorry but you cannot just say that based on mitroglou.

If you want to propose a definition or measure of each player's relative "success" at the club, balance that against the fee paid for them, then apply it to a broad dataset (eg last 5 or 10 seasons), and then after all that you can demonstrate a higher success rate in the last 2 seasons since we started using stats, then ok. But personally I do not think that analysis would show any improvement, potentially the opposite it fact.

I thought we only started using Moneyball once we were relegated? And our first signing with moneyball was Madl??

[MJG]

Our transfer business post-stats has been better than pre-stats.

Sorry but you cannot just say that based on mitroglou.

If you want to propose a definition or measure of each player's relative "success" at the club, balance that against the fee paid for them, then apply it to a broad dataset (eg last 5 or 10 seasons), and then after all that you can demonstrate a higher success rate in the last 2 seasons since we started using stats, then ok. But personally I do not think that analysis would show any improvement, potentially the opposite it fact.

How shall we do that?  I posted the summer transfers of 2008 and about 7 out of 13 made it in one way or another.

Should it be on fee recouped? Games played?
if we come up with something to compare last two seasons with previous 7 or 8 then we could see if its any different or about the same.

[grandad]

WBA to bid £18 mil for Deeney. At 29 this is surely complete madness.

[HillingdonFFC]

WBA to bid £18 mil for Deeney. At 29 this is surely complete madness.

Not if he helps keep them up, small change to stay in the premier league in this day & age

[Holders]

Our transfer business post-stats has been better than pre-stats.

Sorry but you cannot just say that based on mitroglou.

If you want to propose a definition or measure of each player's relative "success" at the club, balance that against the fee paid for them, then apply it to a broad dataset (eg last 5 or 10 seasons), and then after all that you can demonstrate a higher success rate in the last 2 seasons since we started using stats, then ok. But personally I do not think that analysis would show any improvement, potentially the opposite it fact.

Look what he's done now he's recovered from injury. There was nothing wrong with the player's ability.

[filham]

No objection to stats being used to locate good players and as a tool to be used by the coach as long as the final decision on which player to sign remains with the manager (Head Coach) .

[Twig]

All conjecture.

Our transfer business post-stats has been better than pre-stats. We had some stinkers pre-stats - Mitroglou.

We've done some great business since stats - Malone, Aluko, Kebano, Ayite, Johansen.

We aren't "post stats" just because Kline left. We have an internally promoted head of our stats dept.  There has been a shift of power but, quite rightly, we still use stats (we'd be insane not to).