SJ contract rumour

[sunburywhite]

Interesting though that Burnley stood by Dyche and they were relegated - only to come back even stronger and qualify for Europe. Yes history points to trigger happy chairman and fans getting rid of their managers but does not categorically mean that they were always right or that it was a good decision . Yes Palace putting in Roy proved to be the right move -  but managers of his quality are few and far between..
A club the size of Fulham requires consistency - whilst we can debate whether a change might be needed if we lost the next three games - for me it would be a mistake of quite epic proportions

Would be more than happy for SJ to remain at the helm if we got relegated

[HV71]

This debate makes us look so fickle. If we were looking at another club having this debate on their forums we would be declaring them as morons. Of course this post will probably encourage the retort of 'grow up ' but quite frankly I would prefer to stay in the kindergarten than stoop to that level. We have so far lost to a side finishing 11th ( after an appalling start to their season ) and the team finishing 3rd. We face the team that finished 7th last year on Sunday and some see it as a 'given' that we should win. Bonkers - truly bonkers.

[HV71]

'Ditto' Sunburywhite

[BestOfBrede]

This debate makes us look so fickle. If we were looking at another club having this debate on their forums we would be declaring them as morons. Of course this post will probably encourage the retort of 'grow up ' but quite frankly I would prefer to stay in the kindergarten than stoop to that level. We have so far lost to a side finishing 11th ( after an appalling start to their season ) and the team finishing 3rd. We face the team that finished 7th last year on Sunday and some see it as a 'given' that we should win. Bonkers - truly bonkers.

Well said
Supposed to be supporters and think they are because they have a season ticket!
The reason a lot of people no longer post on this site is down to the utter bollocks and negativity that is a constant no matter what!

[Bill2]

My concern is when we enter the manager merry go round and a number are shown the door, if we are doing OK will we have other clubs start sniffing around, especially if there is only a remainder of a short contract to pay off.

I will not be happy until he signs.

[west kowloon white]

it's football - enjoy or otherwise, the ride.Am not attracted to someone playing a game- might backfire on him and the club.

[Statto]

The reason a lot of people no longer post on this site is down to the utter bollocks and negativity that is a constant no matter what!

That's ironic because the thing that ruins this site IMO is people being unable to comprehend that things aren't 100% good or 100% bad and can be somewhere in between, and dismissing reasonable critical analysis as "bollocks and negativity"

What's also ironic is 90% of the times i personally have been called negative, the club's or manager's subsequent actions have ulitmately shown they agree with me.

Slagging off Kline used to get called negativity. Then Jokanovic came out and slagged off Kline. Then the club sacked Kline in disgrace.

I started this summer transfer window by saying we should sign 10-15 players and spend £100m, which I got slagged off for. Then the club signed 12 players and spent £100m.

In this situation, those geniuses saying it's negative to adopt a 'wait-and-see' approach with Jokanovic at this point, please tell me, what do you think is the reason Tony Khan hasn't extended his contract yet? Spoiler alert... it can only be because he's adopting that approach!!!

[Barrett487]

This debate makes us look so fickle. If we were looking at another club having this debate on their forums we would be declaring them as morons. Of course this post will probably encourage the retort of 'grow up ' but quite frankly I would prefer to stay in the kindergarten than stoop to that level. We have so far lost to a side finishing 11th ( after an appalling start to their season ) and the team finishing 3rd. We face the team that finished 7th last year on Sunday and some see it as a 'given' that we should win. Bonkers - truly bonkers.

Well said
Supposed to be supporters and think they are because they have a season ticket!
The reason a lot of people no longer post on this site is down to the utter bollocks and negativity that is a constant no matter what!

Without conflicting views this would be a pretty stagnant forum.

I do draw the line at insults and abuse, but i think that has reduced just recently.

Negativity is extremely closely linked to reality in many cases, and why shouldn't people with reservations air them? Many people are refreshingly positive, but not everyone looks through rose-coloured glasses, as is their prerogative.

As for threads on spurious reporting (i know this point wasn't brought up by you), without them there would be less variation on threads to read and they can lead to interesting debates.  The whole point of forums is to discuss subjects of shared interest, usually FFC.

[cheese pie]

Show me all the other PL clubs who have left a manager in charge after starting the season with 5 defeats.
Obvious comparison is de boer last season sacked by palace after 5 games.
it will hopefully never become an issue for us but I can guarantee if he lost the next 3 games, 80% of fans would forget last season and want him out, and so would 90% of chairmen.
if you think otherwise you are very naïve and ignoring the history/facts of these scenarios.

What 5 defeats?? What are you guys talking about?? Why so much negativity? Fulham will win the next match..PERIOD

[toshes mate]

I really get tired of the positivity/negativity argument since one cannot exist without the other.  When you call a spade a spade you are simply describing an object with its correct name.  Of course, you may describing a fork as a spade and hopefully someone will point you in the right direction as to its correct title.

This thread starts with a media rumour.  So far so good.  The next post attaches a value to it, and we are into positive - negative territory.  If he hadn't used the word 'good' then he would have been slated by all those who think/believe/quantify signing a contract as the second coming.   Lighthouse points out the folly of such beliefs, and so, in the real world, signing a piece of paper is not really of much consequence but it will make some people sleep better in their beds so it seems. 

The thread then gets into reasons for delay - if there is a delay because I haven't seen anywhere the writing saying SJ will sign when the window closes apart from on here - and then we get into the territory of what 'may' happen if our unpromising start (which we all expected) goes on much longer.  Well WW3 could break out or the planet could be hit by a large satellite rock which was missed by the not so accurate devices used to track them or Fulham could stick three goals past each of the next five opponents without reply.  The Khans could sell FFC in a fit of pique in response to the FA saying they ain't selling Wembley. SJ could resign, be sacked, or retire, hell could freeze over, and pigs may get wings.

My personal view is that SJ is an excellent coach, a true professional, will do an excellent job wherever he goes, and it has been a privilege to have watched his teams play.  If he wants to stay but doesn't feel like signing a contract just now then that's okay by me.  If FFC want to sack him or if he wants to leave I'll be sad, very interested in the reasons, and rather tense and nervous about how FFC go about replacing him.  But life will go on and it will not be the end of the world as we know it.  Nothing positive or negative about any of it - just experience.         

[FulhamStu]

I really get tired of the positivity/negativity argument since one cannot exist without the other.  When you call a spade a spade you are simply describing an object with its correct name.  Of course, you may describing a fork as a spade and hopefully someone will point you in the right direction as to its correct title.

This thread starts with a media rumour.  So far so good.  The next post attaches a value to it, and we are into positive - negative territory.  If he hadn't used the word 'good' then he would have been slated by all those who think/believe/quantify signing a contract as the second coming.   Lighthouse points out the folly of such beliefs, and so, in the real world, signing a piece of paper is not really of much consequence but it will make some people sleep better in their beds so it seems. 

The thread then gets into reasons for delay - if there is a delay because I haven't seen anywhere the writing saying SJ will sign when the window closes apart from on here - and then we get into the territory of what 'may' happen if our unpromising start (which we all expected) goes on much longer.  Well WW3 could break out or the planet could be hit by a large satellite rock which was missed by the not so accurate devices used to track them or Fulham could stick three goals past each of the next five opponents without reply.  The Khans could sell FFC in a fit of pique in response to the FA saying they ain't selling Wembley. SJ could resign, be sacked, or retire, hell could freeze over, and pigs may get wings.

My personal view is that SJ is an excellent coach, a true professional, will do an excellent job wherever he goes, and it has been a privilege to have watched his teams play.  If he wants to stay but doesn't feel like signing a contract just now then that's okay by me.  If FFC want to sack him or if he wants to leave I'll be sad, very interested in the reasons, and rather tense and nervous about how FFC go about replacing him.  But life will go on and it will not be the end of the world as we know it.  Nothing positive or negative about any of it - just experience.         

Excellent post and the start of this debate you quoted was a media rumour.  Well I know what I think of media rumours.  NOT A LOT !

[ByTheRiver]

Can't quite believe some of the things I'm reading! Slav is THE most important person at the club (playing or coaching staff) right now. You only need to look at Malone, Aluko, Fredricks (so far...) and anyone else who has left under his tenure, to see how his system and coaching makes players appear better than they are and the team more than the sum of its parts.

To even talk about replacing/reviewing at Christmas is ludicrous and disrespectful. He should be given a contract for as long a term as he desires.

Blimey.

(PS. we are going to win on Sunday and all this nonsense will be forgotten and left behind. Feel free to come and buy me a pint at the Lion after whilst I tell you 'I told you so').

[hongkongfulham]

Feel free to come and buy me a pint at the Lion after whilst I tell you 'I told you so').

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[Woolly Mammoth]

Genitalmen, it was only 3 months ago we were all in that White Wall at Wembley doing handstands and cartwheels all the way down Wembley Way to The Torch Pub rejoicing and celebrating for me our greatest day. With all the Double Decker Buses in the car park full of Fulham Supporters who were delirious. I saw grown men crying with joy.
One bloke came up to me and said this victory felt better than sex, every man to his own trade I suppose, but it probably did.
Since that remarkable and never to be forgotten day, the club have spent in excess of £100,000 English Pounds. To support Slavisa, that is a statement of intent.
He will embrace that as we all should, and be doubly patient, everyone is on the same side
here.
Please remember we are now back on the Premier League. How many of us thought we would see that happen again, as well as not only going back to Wembley and come away victorious, nobody can take that away from us ever.
So I am just grateful we are in the Premier League, but also quietly confident we are here to stay for the long haul, because we have the Manager and the players, and the club is behind them.
So it's onwards and upwards.
Please remember, it's not how tall you are, it's how high you jump.

Thank you and Goodnight

[LRCN]

One bloke came up to me and said it felt better than sex, every man to his own trade I suppose, but it probably did.

why on earth would a bloke walk up to someone and say anything feels better than sex.

[Woolly Mammoth]

One bloke came up to me and said it felt better than sex, every man to his own trade I suppose, but it probably did.

why on earth would a bloke walk up to someone and say anything feels better than sex.

He was well oiled and I sent him off to visit a Ms Fifi Pink, 69, Greek Street, Soho, Basement Flat, knock three times and ask for Bubbles.

[Statto]

(PS. we are going to win on Sunday and all this nonsense will be forgotten and left behind. Feel free to come and buy me a pint at the Lion after whilst I tell you 'I told you so').

Is there a single poster on this thread who's said they don't think we'll win on Sunday?
Maybe we can all just come to the lion, stand in a circle and say 'i told you so' to the person to our left

[ByTheRiver]

(PS. we are going to win on Sunday and all this nonsense will be forgotten and left behind. Feel free to come and buy me a pint at the Lion after whilst I tell you 'I told you so').

Is there a single poster on this thread who's said they don't think we'll win on Sunday?
Maybe we can all just come to the lion, stand in a circle and say 'i told you so' to the person to our left

That's neither here nor there, as this is about the wider issue of people saying, like you did yourself, that it 'makes sense for all parties to delay'. As if he hasn't earned the right to see out the season (and next). This short term-ism and nonsense really boils my head. And is of detriment to the club longer term. The guy has an entirely new squad, a squad that have never played in the premier league (either through being lower level and taking us up or being recent signings from abroad) AND has had most of his first choice backline out and hence we've played two games, against good quality opposition, with a back 4 who have barely even met let alone trained together.

So no, in that instance, I don't think you would be justified to join in with (obviously flippant and putting a positive spin on things) the quote of 'I told you so'.

We could lose 5-0 on a Sunday and my viewpoint and points made previously will still stand. I wonder if those who have sat on the fence or not backed him will keep their viewpoint (or, more likely, forget they ever said it) when we are playing teams of the park and making a push for top 10 in the second half of the season?

Still, we're all whites so less not get into petty arguments amongst each other. We're not Brentford (and, thank f*** we're not QPR either!) x

[Statto]

(PS. we are going to win on Sunday and all this nonsense will be forgotten and left behind. Feel free to come and buy me a pint at the Lion after whilst I tell you 'I told you so').

Is there a single poster on this thread who's said they don't think we'll win on Sunday?
Maybe we can all just come to the lion, stand in a circle and say 'i told you so' to the person to our left

That's neither here nor there, as this is about the wider issue of people saying, like you did yourself, that it 'makes sense for all parties to delay'. As if he hasn't earned the right to see out the season (and next). This short term-ism and nonsense really boils my head. And is of detriment to the club longer term. The guy has an entirely new squad, a squad that have never played in the premier league (either through being lower level and taking us up or being recent signings from abroad) AND has had most of his first choice backline out and hence we've played two games, against good quality opposition, with a back 4 who have barely even met let alone trained together.

So no, in that instance, I don't think you would be justified to join in with (obviously flippant and putting a positive spin on things) the quote of 'I told you so'.

We could lose 5-0 on a Sunday and my viewpoint and points made previously will still stand. I wonder if those who have sat on the fence or not backed him will keep their viewpoint (or, more likely, forget they ever said it) when we are playing teams of the park and making a push for top 10 in the second half of the season?

Still, we're all whites so less not get into petty arguments amongst each other. We're not Brentford (and, thank f*** we're not QPR either!) x

Sorry mate but I've still no idea whether/why I can/can't say "i told you so" if we win on Sunday considering we both, like everyone on this thread, seem to think a Fulham win is the most likely outcome... you've totally lost me there

But one thing at least we can clearly agree to disagree on is whether any manager has "the right to see out the season (and next)". I've been clear above that I don't feel strongly that he should necessarily be sacked even after five defeats (although a few low-foreheads on this thread seem to have had trouble with that part) but one thing I will stick my neck out and say is I definitely don't think he should be keeping his job if we lose all 38 games this season and another 46 games next season. That seems ridiculous to me. But you're entitled to your opinion of course.   

[ByTheRiver]

(PS. we are going to win on Sunday and all this nonsense will be forgotten and left behind. Feel free to come and buy me a pint at the Lion after whilst I tell you 'I told you so').

Is there a single poster on this thread who's said they don't think we'll win on Sunday?
Maybe we can all just come to the lion, stand in a circle and say 'i told you so' to the person to our left

That's neither here nor there, as this is about the wider issue of people saying, like you did yourself, that it 'makes sense for all parties to delay'. As if he hasn't earned the right to see out the season (and next). This short term-ism and nonsense really boils my head. And is of detriment to the club longer term. The guy has an entirely new squad, a squad that have never played in the premier league (either through being lower level and taking us up or being recent signings from abroad) AND has had most of his first choice backline out and hence we've played two games, against good quality opposition, with a back 4 who have barely even met let alone trained together.

So no, in that instance, I don't think you would be justified to join in with (obviously flippant and putting a positive spin on things) the quote of 'I told you so'.

We could lose 5-0 on a Sunday and my viewpoint and points made previously will still stand. I wonder if those who have sat on the fence or not backed him will keep their viewpoint (or, more likely, forget they ever said it) when we are playing teams of the park and making a push for top 10 in the second half of the season?

Still, we're all whites so less not get into petty arguments amongst each other. We're not Brentford (and, thank f*** we're not QPR either!) x

Sorry mate but I've still no idea whether/why I can/can't say "i told you so" if we win on Sunday considering we both, like everyone on this thread, seem to think a Fulham win is the most likely outcome... you've totally lost me there

But one thing at least we can clearly agree to disagree on is whether any manager has "the right to see out the season (and next)". I've been clear above that I don't feel strongly that he should necessarily be sacked even after five defeats (although a few low-foreheads on this thread seem to have had trouble with that part) but one thing I will stick my neck out and say is I definitely don't think he should be keeping his job if we lose all 38 games this season and another 46 games next season. That seems ridiculous to me. But you're entitled to your opinion of course.   

That's not what I said either... I think we are not actually that fair away then in viewpoint, just the amount of time and so on.

The 'I told you so' will be more about Slav being the best man for the job and this season being an enjoyable one and a great success (in relative terms - people and JCLs will have to get used to not winning every week). Starting on Sunday (and more so when Mawson and Ream are back and the midfield has had time to gel together and get used to the pace of the league - Cairney included).

I just get annoyed as a rival fan looking at this forum would see us as absolute clowns.

It reminds me of Jan where, looking back at my posts there, I defended him speaking out against the owners/putting pressure/playing politics to get the signings we all knew we needed. He was getting abuse on here for, essentially, putting his own neck on the line, to get what is right for the club. What happened next? Oh, the pressure meant the board signed Mitro and Targett and we all know what happened next... So quite a few numpties were very wrong there. The same will happen here.