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We’re playing much better without onomah

Started by Slaphead in Qatar, March 09, 2020, 08:24:03 AM

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Slaphead in Qatar

I hope Parker doesn't put josh straight back in when he is fit

fulhamben

That said, my patience is wearing rather thin with bobby, I'm starting to think that one of johanssen, cav, ak, or knockaert would be better in that position
CHRIS MARTIN IS SO BAD,  WE NOW PRAISE HIM FOR MAKING A RUN.

Sting of the North

I think you should always be careful with confusing correlation with causality, but agree that we have looked much better since Onomah's been out. Personally I believe that whilst Onomah has had several games in which he was ok, or even rather good based on purely individual actions, I believe that he never really managed to be part of a midfield unit at all. He didn't make other players better.

That's why I believe that the suggestion to drop Reid is way off the mark. Reid seem to be the opposite to Onomah in that even when he seemingly has a bad game based on noticeable individual moments (missing sitters, as a good example), he contributes so much to our overall improved play with his smart running and constant movement. He's been very good lately in my opinion, if we look beyond all those chances he should have scored.


gang

Miss him? I didn't even know that he wasn't there.

colinwhite

agreed we are more fluid now. He was also another player who stopped the play ,put his foot on the ball. He showed massive improvement indidually but to be fair never had a settle position because of injuries.

filham

A lot of us seem to favour Reid and while he looks to have a lot of ability he is not scoring the goals we need. In the position he is playing he should be the next highest scorer to Mitro, his 5 goals from 32 matches is inadequate and he has been missing chances since his first appearance. We had a long wait for his first goal and his shooting just does not look strong enough to bother keepers.

The problem is who can replace him, tempting to say Kamara but he has quite different qualities and he would not be so effective in build up play and it would mean a change of tactics. Parker has a problem.


snarks

BDR adds a lot to this team, and I believe is part of the reason we are playing more up tempo. The fact that he is not scoring is a bit of a negative, but his movement, dragging defenders out of position is one of the key reasons why TC is playing better. IMHO.

ByTheRiver

Quote from: Sting of the North on March 09, 2020, 10:03:56 AM
I think you should always be careful with confusing correlation with causality, but agree that we have looked much better since Onomah's been out. Personally I believe that whilst Onomah has had several games in which he was ok, or even rather good based on purely individual actions, I believe that he never really managed to be part of a midfield unit at all. He didn't make other players better.

That's why I believe that the suggestion to drop Reid is way off the mark. Reid seem to be the opposite to Onomah in that even when he seemingly has a bad game based on noticeable individual moments (missing sitters, as a good example), he contributes so much to our overall improved play with his smart running and constant movement. He's been very good lately in my opinion, if we look beyond all those chances he should have scored.

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ByTheRiver

Quote from: snarks on March 09, 2020, 01:46:02 PM
BDR adds a lot to this team, and I believe is part of the reason we are playing more up tempo. The fact that he is not scoring is a bit of a negative, but his movement, dragging defenders out of position is one of the key reasons why TC is playing better. IMHO.

Absolutely.


colinwhite

Agree about Bobby. Hes been unlucky in front of goal but gives the team a lot.

fulhamben

Quote from: colinwhite on March 09, 2020, 06:56:23 PM
Agree about Bobby. Hes been unlucky in front of goal but gives the team a lot.
unlucky how? Looks just like poor finishing to me
CHRIS MARTIN IS SO BAD,  WE NOW PRAISE HIM FOR MAKING A RUN.

Nero

Quote from: fulhamben on March 09, 2020, 08:16:33 PM
Quote from: colinwhite on March 09, 2020, 06:56:23 PM
Agree about Bobby. Hes been unlucky in front of goal but gives the team a lot.
unlucky how? Looks just like poor finishing to me

I rather have someone who has poor finishing then someone that doesnt get in the position to shoot


fulhamben

Quote from: Nero on March 09, 2020, 08:31:31 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on March 09, 2020, 08:16:33 PM
Quote from: colinwhite on March 09, 2020, 06:56:23 PM
Agree about Bobby. Hes been unlucky in front of goal but gives the team a lot.
unlucky how? Looks just like poor finishing to me

I rather have someone who has poor finishing then someone that doesnt get in the position to shoot
thats how you justify poor finishing, because he gets on the end of lots of chances in the first place? Like I said, I'd rather try one of many other attacking options, in the hope that they aren't as bad in front of goal
CHRIS MARTIN IS SO BAD,  WE NOW PRAISE HIM FOR MAKING A RUN.

Matt10

Think just because he's out doesn't mean he comes in to start at the same position. He could come in as a winger just as much as he comes in as a central midfielder. All depends on the formation chosen, not to mention the match situations.

Andy S

I think you are being unfair. Most of the time players play the way and in the position the manager asks them to play. This is not amateur football it's the pro stuff and the players work at it all week


fulhamben

Quote from: Matt10 on March 10, 2020, 02:22:33 AM
Think just because he's out doesn't mean he comes in to start at the same position. He could come in as a winger just as much as he comes in as a central midfielder. All depends on the formation chosen, not to mention the match situations.
would be hard to see where though. Ak looking good down the right, tc back in form, kebano raring to go if left wing becomes available, Dm is a possibility though. He's big and very athletic so could do that role
CHRIS MARTIN IS SO BAD,  WE NOW PRAISE HIM FOR MAKING A RUN.

Matt10

Quote from: fulhamben on March 10, 2020, 11:02:30 AM
Quote from: Matt10 on March 10, 2020, 02:22:33 AM
Think just because he's out doesn't mean he comes in to start at the same position. He could come in as a winger just as much as he comes in as a central midfielder. All depends on the formation chosen, not to mention the match situations.
would be hard to see where though. Ak looking good down the right, tc back in form, kebano raring to go if left wing becomes available, Dm is a possibility though. He's big and very athletic so could do that role

Oh, I agree, the depth of our wingers could be hard to break in, but he is fairly versatile. I wouldn't mind seeing him on the wing as I think our central mid roles will have additional depth once Reed is fully fit.

Southcoastffc

Quote from: fulhamben on March 09, 2020, 08:52:24 PM
Quote from: Nero on March 09, 2020, 08:31:31 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on March 09, 2020, 08:16:33 PM
Quote from: colinwhite on March 09, 2020, 06:56:23 PM
Agree about Bobby. Hes been unlucky in front of goal but gives the team a lot.
unlucky how? Looks just like poor finishing to me

I rather have someone who has poor finishing then someone that doesnt get in the position to shoot
thats how you justify poor finishing, because he gets on the end of lots of chances in the first place? Like I said, I'd rather try one of many other attacking options, in the hope that they aren't as bad in front of goal
Apart from one season (with Bristol C in 2017 when he scored 19 in 46) there's been little in BDR's career so far to suggest he is a 'real' goal scorer. Career stats are approx 1 goal every 6 games.  Like others, I think he's important to the team, he worries defences and makes things happen.
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LittleErn

Quote from: Southcoastffc on March 10, 2020, 11:58:20 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on March 09, 2020, 08:52:24 PM
Quote from: Nero on March 09, 2020, 08:31:31 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on March 09, 2020, 08:16:33 PM
Quote from: colinwhite on March 09, 2020, 06:56:23 PM
Agree about Bobby. Hes been unlucky in front of goal but gives the team a lot.
unlucky how? Looks just like poor finishing to me

I rather have someone who has poor finishing then someone that doesnt get in the position to shoot
thats how you justify poor finishing, because he gets on the end of lots of chances in the first place? Like I said, I'd rather try one of many other attacking options, in the hope that they aren't as bad in front of goal
Apart from one season (with Bristol C in 2017 when he scored 19 in 46) there's been little in BDR's career so far to suggest he is a 'real' goal scorer. Career stats are approx 1 goal every 6 games.  Like others, I think he's important to the team, he worries defences and makes things happen.

Is it not possible to coach him to be more effective in front of goal? Most of all he needs to learn to place his shots away from the goalie while still getting some power.

Facts Not Fiction

Don't think Reid has been very good at CM, much more effective on the wing for me. But the combo of Reid, Arter and Cairney the last 3 games has bossed every midfield. So happy to see it continue.