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The Official Silly Season Summer Transfer Thread 2021/22

Started by Friendsoffulham, May 21, 2021, 03:23:46 PM

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Jules

Quote from: Lordedmundo on August 04, 2021, 12:38:46 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 04, 2021, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on August 04, 2021, 12:19:27 PM
Worrying that bids will seemingly now start for Anguissa.

Be brilliant if we can hold onto him but if we can't, we need to sell.

Good we rejected a loan, I don't want to lose him unless it's a good fee.

Cheeky so and so's - didn't even offer a loan fee apparently!

I'm going to be controversal here and say that Frank is even more of a luxury player at Championship level than Premier League level.  If I believed that he was suddenly going to start creating assists and scoring goals, then he would be worth keeping. But I can't see how he will suddenly start doing it after never managing to any stage of his career so far.  In this team, we really do need more goal threat from midfield. Without a fit Cairney, this is not going to be provided by Anguissa or Reed - Francois maybe/maybe not. The only central midfielder we have who scores goals is Onomah and his inability to make an impression in many games means he is an unlikely starter.

If we get offered anything around or above £20m for Frank, then I think we should sell him.
Agreed, and I really don't think he will be a big loss to us. I would love us to get as much as £20m for a midfield player with no goals and just 3 assists in 2 seasons playing for us.

IloveFFC

Kamara out.

We have good wingers for this division- Cavaleiro, Wilson, Knockaert, Kebano, Bobby Reid. Carvalho also play there...

Strikers we will have Moniz and Mitrovic- That´s ok too...

We need to loan out or sell one or two Right Backs- Sessegnon loan and sell odoi maybe. We have 4 options there..

6 CB- we need to sell one at least. Hector or Le Marchand. I Think Ream will stay, Kongolo and Tosic will also stay
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midfielders- If someone leave, we need options, specially if we sell Anguissa. François will be a very good surprise.

Twig

Quote from: Jules on August 04, 2021, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: Lordedmundo on August 04, 2021, 12:38:46 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 04, 2021, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on August 04, 2021, 12:19:27 PM
Worrying that bids will seemingly now start for Anguissa.

Be brilliant if we can hold onto him but if we can't, we need to sell.

Good we rejected a loan, I don't want to lose him unless it's a good fee.

Cheeky so and so's - didn't even offer a loan fee apparently!

I'm going to be controversal here and say that Frank is even more of a luxury player at Championship level than Premier League level.  If I believed that he was suddenly going to start creating assists and scoring goals, then he would be worth keeping. But I can't see how he will suddenly start doing it after never managing to any stage of his career so far.  In this team, we really do need more goal threat from midfield. Without a fit Cairney, this is not going to be provided by Anguissa or Reed - Francois maybe/maybe not. The only central midfielder we have who scores goals is Onomah and his inability to make an impression in many games means he is an unlikely starter.

If we get offered anything around or above £20m for Frank, then I think we should sell him.
Agreed, and I really don't think he will be a big loss to us. I would love us to get as much as £20m for a midfield player with no goals and just 3 assists in 2 seasons playing for us.

And that's the nub of it isn't it? He's played in different leagues, in different countries, under different managers and in different systems but he has never ever scored goals or delivered assists remotely frequently enough. People see potential in him but he's 25 going on 26 now and we are yet to see that potential blossom into an end result.  I'd love to see him come good but until and unless he does, he's a luxury.


mrmicawbers

What's left on Anguissa contract,I thought a year?Maybe we have a year option though.

Tabby

Quote from: mrmicawbers on August 04, 2021, 02:30:55 PM
What's left on Anguissa contract,I thought a year?Maybe we have a year option though.

Two years and another optional year.

MaxFFC

Simon Jones for the Mail Online reports that we are stepping up negotiations for Rodrigo Muniz. Apparently he is set to agree a five-year deal and would move for £7.8 million. The same report suggests that we are hoping to finalise the signing of Swansea City captain Matt Grimes once he is given the all-clear from Covid.


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JEEVES

This whole Muniz situation is doing my head in. Something has just popped up on twitter saying Boro have upped their bid and are firmly back in the race 🙄

Jim©

Quote from: JEEVES on August 04, 2021, 03:15:25 PM
This whole Muniz situation is doing my head in. Something has just popped up on twitter saying Boro have upped their bid and are firmly back in the race 🙄

Someone should just tweet Muniz a photo of Middlesborough.

junior white

Re Muniz, all we needed to do was send the paperwork over with. Proviso of subject to a fully healthy medical and get it signed like most other clubs do.

As for is he any good does anyone know? I'm not disparaging just wondering


mrmicawbers

Quote from: Tabby on August 04, 2021, 02:31:59 PM
Quote from: mrmicawbers on August 04, 2021, 02:30:55 PM
What's left on Anguissa contract,I thought a year?Maybe we have a year option though.

Two years and another optional year.
Cheers,better position than I thought.

Jules

Quote from: MaxFFC on August 04, 2021, 03:13:01 PM
Simon Jones for the Mail Online reports that we are stepping up negotiations for Rodrigo Muniz. Apparently he is set to agree a five-year deal and would move for £7.8 million. The same report suggests that we are hoping to finalise the signing of Swansea City captain Matt Grimes once he is given the all-clear from Covid.


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I am really hoping we get Grimes, really top class player who will make a positive difference to our midfield. If the transfer figure is the quoted £1m or 2m then it's a snip. I'm not fussed about Muniz. Seems too much to spend on what would be a gamble that he turns out well for us. Would rather we got a back up striker to Mitro on a loan with an option.

cmg

Quote from: junior white on August 04, 2021, 03:23:16 PM
Re Muniz, all we needed to do was send the paperwork over with. Proviso of subject to a fully healthy medical and get it signed like most other clubs do.

As for is he any good does anyone know? I'm not disparaging just wondering

Should we send the paperwork over before or after we've found out if he's any good or not?


JEEVES

Quote from: cmg on August 04, 2021, 03:53:26 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 04, 2021, 03:23:16 PM
Re Muniz, all we needed to do was send the paperwork over with. Proviso of subject to a fully healthy medical and get it signed like most other clubs do.

As for is he any good does anyone know? I'm not disparaging just wondering

Should we send the paperwork over before or after we've found out if he's any good or not?

Haha, before or after he signs for Middlesbrough?

Bassey the warrior

Quote from: Twig on August 04, 2021, 02:26:29 PM
Quote from: Jules on August 04, 2021, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: Lordedmundo on August 04, 2021, 12:38:46 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 04, 2021, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on August 04, 2021, 12:19:27 PM
Worrying that bids will seemingly now start for Anguissa.

Be brilliant if we can hold onto him but if we can't, we need to sell.

Good we rejected a loan, I don't want to lose him unless it's a good fee.

Cheeky so and so's - didn't even offer a loan fee apparently!

I'm going to be controversal here and say that Frank is even more of a luxury player at Championship level than Premier League level.  If I believed that he was suddenly going to start creating assists and scoring goals, then he would be worth keeping. But I can't see how he will suddenly start doing it after never managing to any stage of his career so far.  In this team, we really do need more goal threat from midfield. Without a fit Cairney, this is not going to be provided by Anguissa or Reed - Francois maybe/maybe not. The only central midfielder we have who scores goals is Onomah and his inability to make an impression in many games means he is an unlikely starter.

If we get offered anything around or above £20m for Frank, then I think we should sell him.
Agreed, and I really don't think he will be a big loss to us. I would love us to get as much as £20m for a midfield player with no goals and just 3 assists in 2 seasons playing for us.

And that's the nub of it isn't it? He's played in different leagues, in different countries, under different managers and in different systems but he has never ever scored goals or delivered assists remotely frequently enough. People see potential in him but he's 25 going on 26 now and we are yet to see that potential blossom into an end result.  I'd love to see him come good but until and unless he does, he's a luxury.

He's not a luxury because of his defensive statistics and his dribbling ability, he's more like Mousa Dembele, he also had poor goal scoring and assist stats, would you say he was a luxury?

Lordedmundo

Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 04, 2021, 04:14:37 PM
Quote from: Twig on August 04, 2021, 02:26:29 PM
Quote from: Jules on August 04, 2021, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: Lordedmundo on August 04, 2021, 12:38:46 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 04, 2021, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on August 04, 2021, 12:19:27 PM
Worrying that bids will seemingly now start for Anguissa.

Be brilliant if we can hold onto him but if we can't, we need to sell.

Good we rejected a loan, I don't want to lose him unless it's a good fee.

Cheeky so and so's - didn't even offer a loan fee apparently!

I'm going to be controversal here and say that Frank is even more of a luxury player at Championship level than Premier League level.  If I believed that he was suddenly going to start creating assists and scoring goals, then he would be worth keeping. But I can't see how he will suddenly start doing it after never managing to any stage of his career so far.  In this team, we really do need more goal threat from midfield. Without a fit Cairney, this is not going to be provided by Anguissa or Reed - Francois maybe/maybe not. The only central midfielder we have who scores goals is Onomah and his inability to make an impression in many games means he is an unlikely starter.

If we get offered anything around or above £20m for Frank, then I think we should sell him.
Agreed, and I really don't think he will be a big loss to us. I would love us to get as much as £20m for a midfield player with no goals and just 3 assists in 2 seasons playing for us.

And that's the nub of it isn't it? He's played in different leagues, in different countries, under different managers and in different systems but he has never ever scored goals or delivered assists remotely frequently enough. People see potential in him but he's 25 going on 26 now and we are yet to see that potential blossom into an end result.  I'd love to see him come good but until and unless he does, he's a luxury.

He's not a luxury because of his defensive statistics and his dribbling ability, he's more like Mousa Dembele, he also had poor goal scoring and assist stats, would you say he was a luxury?

His defensive stats and dribbling ability are fine and I agree you could say he is similar in style to Mousa Dembele. However - his goal scoring and assists were still better than Frank's (even more so when he played as a winger for AZ Alkmaar). Frank is a luxury player because we need more players in the team who can provide goals and assists. When Mousa was at the club we had plenty of other players who could do that (Zamora, Murphy, Duff, Davies, Dempsey, AJ, Duff). It was probably one of the main reasons why he moved from the wing to a deeper central role.


Bassey the warrior

Quote from: Lordedmundo on August 04, 2021, 04:28:53 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 04, 2021, 04:14:37 PM
Quote from: Twig on August 04, 2021, 02:26:29 PM
Quote from: Jules on August 04, 2021, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: Lordedmundo on August 04, 2021, 12:38:46 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 04, 2021, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on August 04, 2021, 12:19:27 PM
Worrying that bids will seemingly now start for Anguissa.

Be brilliant if we can hold onto him but if we can't, we need to sell.

Good we rejected a loan, I don't want to lose him unless it's a good fee.

Cheeky so and so's - didn't even offer a loan fee apparently!

I'm going to be controversal here and say that Frank is even more of a luxury player at Championship level than Premier League level.  If I believed that he was suddenly going to start creating assists and scoring goals, then he would be worth keeping. But I can't see how he will suddenly start doing it after never managing to any stage of his career so far.  In this team, we really do need more goal threat from midfield. Without a fit Cairney, this is not going to be provided by Anguissa or Reed - Francois maybe/maybe not. The only central midfielder we have who scores goals is Onomah and his inability to make an impression in many games means he is an unlikely starter.

If we get offered anything around or above £20m for Frank, then I think we should sell him.
Agreed, and I really don't think he will be a big loss to us. I would love us to get as much as £20m for a midfield player with no goals and just 3 assists in 2 seasons playing for us.

And that's the nub of it isn't it? He's played in different leagues, in different countries, under different managers and in different systems but he has never ever scored goals or delivered assists remotely frequently enough. People see potential in him but he's 25 going on 26 now and we are yet to see that potential blossom into an end result.  I'd love to see him come good but until and unless he does, he's a luxury.

He's not a luxury because of his defensive statistics and his dribbling ability, he's more like Mousa Dembele, he also had poor goal scoring and assist stats, would you say he was a luxury?

His defensive stats and dribbling ability are fine and I agree you could say he is similar in style to Mousa Dembele. However - his goal scoring and assists were still better than Frank's (even more so when he played as a winger for AZ Alkmaar). Frank is a luxury player because we need more players in the team who can provide goals and assists. When Mousa was at the club we had plenty of other players who could do that (Zamora, Murphy, Duff, Davies, Dempsey, AJ, Duff). It was probably one of the main reasons why he moved from the wing to a deeper central role.

Doesn't make him a luxury though as he still offers something to the team.

70sPimlico

Other than 2 goals, his stats were very similar to Declan Rice.

junior white

Quote from: cmg on August 04, 2021, 03:53:26 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 04, 2021, 03:23:16 PM
Re Muniz, all we needed to do was send the paperwork over with. Proviso of subject to a fully healthy medical and get it signed like most other clubs do.

As for is he any good does anyone know? I'm not disparaging just wondering

Should we send the paperwork over before or after we've found out if he's any good or not?
Lol. If Silva wants him then they should back him, if it goes pear shaped its a lesson learned and Silva will know, if they dont back him then he will rightly be pissed off if it is his call to sign the player.

So send it now (should have been done ages ago) lock it up on the proviso as i say


Blawarmy

Quote from: junior white on August 04, 2021, 04:39:16 PM
Quote from: cmg on August 04, 2021, 03:53:26 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 04, 2021, 03:23:16 PM
Re Muniz, all we needed to do was send the paperwork over with. Proviso of subject to a fully healthy medical and get it signed like most other clubs do.

As for is he any good does anyone know? I'm not disparaging just wondering

Should we send the paperwork over before or after we've found out if he's any good or not?
Lol. If Silva wants him then they should back him, if it goes pear shaped its a lesson learned and Silva will know, if they dont back him then he will rightly be pissed off if it is his call to sign the player.

So send it now (should have been done ages ago) lock it up on the proviso as i say
Agreed.