Carvalho turns down latest contract offer from Fulham

[Dougie]

At the end of the day, if the club has failed to secure a contract until it is too late, allowing him to leave on a free, they've managed it badly imho.
As a club we do this time and time again.

My thoughts too. He signed a 2-year contract May 2020, when he was 17., when we could have offered a 3-year deal. Maybe he only wanted to sign for two years, but in the scheme of things, it probably would've been easier to convince him to commit for 3 years then than it is to convince him to change his mind now.

Even then, we could have offered him a long-term deal last August, when he turned 18, and wasn't near the first team yet.

From the outside, it looks to me like we don't put any real faith in youngsters until they've broken through to the first team, and then act surprised when other clubs with bigger resources show interest, and disappointed that they want what's best for themselves, both of which seem incredibly naive. As if these players owe the club anything more than they've already given.

[blingo]

Anyone who says we shouldn't play him is a fool. He is one of our best players, and football is bigger than Fulham.

Not in my world

[Cookie6262]

We should keep the academy going as frustrating as it is that these youngsters don't come through for us we still got, £25 mill for Sessegnon £10 million Roberts £7 million Elliot and probably around £5 million for Carvalho.

I wouldn't play him from here, in other circumstances maybe but we have the strongest championship squad possibly ever, playing well, top two, won four on the trot, TC is back... I would put him in the U21's

[Maidstone Lee]

We should keep the academy going as frustrating as it is that these youngsters don't come through for us we still got, £25 mill for Sessegnon £10 million Roberts £7 million Elliot and probably around £5 million for Carvalho.

I wouldn't play him from here, in other circumstances maybe but we have the strongest championship squad possibly ever, playing well, top two, won four on the trot, TC is back... I would put him in the U21's

Think I'm with you on that one. We can always dip into the loan market in Jan should we want to find a replacement. Sure there's a frustrated attacking midfielder in the Prem who would happily take a move to get minutes for a team pushing for promotion.

[AnOldBrownie]

Wow, the lack of loyalty is amazing really.

Appreciate he might not be a fan etc but he's been with us for years, played for our youth teams, had a main role on the First XI this season. What more can he want?

It's not as if he'll go to a Liverpool/Dortmund and play week in week out.

Really poor from him and who's advising him. I'd try and sell him for £5-10m in January and get rid.

Real shame.

He's a young player being asked to lock himself down to one team for multiple years. So what if he waits to see what his actual market value is?

He could still sign for Fulham and get more money.

Lets not pretend football clubs are loyal if it doesn't benefit the clubs.

I haven't seen a player be more loyal to team and country than Harry Kane.  His club won't let him leave. United won't let Paul Pogba leave.  Manchester United wouldn't let there 3rd string keeper go 2 seasons ago.

Football is an entertainment BUSINESS.  If I loved playing for Fulham...and Chelsea came calling and were going to pay me twice as much...I'd weigh my options as long as I could. Its good business even if the club and fans don't like it. 

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[Cookie6262]

He doesn't have to lock himself down, he could sign a contract and ask for a non promotion clause put in or a relegation clause for next year if we were to go up etc etc

[bigalffc]

Put him on the market for sale in  January and leave him to ruin his career.

[Cookie6262]

The problem with putting him up for sale in January... if he has had his head turned by a certain club which is likely he will just turn everyone down and leave at the end of the season.

[RaySmith]

"Lets not pretend football clubs are loyal if it doesn't benefit the clubs."

Yes, Carvalho will have seen many teammates  he grew up with let go, their dreams crushed- so he knows that clubs have no loyalty to players these days - they are just a valuable asset.

As said, it's surely in his interest to play well, if he wants to leave for a top club, and it's in our interests to use him while he is here, if he helps get us up.

So play him , but obviously not if he's not giving his all - Silva will be the  judge of that.

[Cookie6262]

"Lets not pretend football clubs are loyal if it doesn't benefit the clubs."

Yes, Carvalho will have seen many teammates  he grew up with let go, their dreams crushed- so he knows that clubs have no loyalty to players these days - they are just a valuable asset.

As said, it's surely in his interest to play well, if he wants to leave for a top club, and it's in our interests to use him while he is here, if he helps get us up.

So play him , but obviously not if he's not giving his all - Silva will be the  judge of that.

What about any effect it has the rest of the squad or other players? How would BDR feel if he gets dropped for a player who has just stated he doesn't want to be at the club. Why risk upsetting the squad move him to the u21's and give his place on the bench to Stansfield

[cookieg]

If he wants away then he isn't going to give 100% in a game for fear of getting injured. We don't need any passengers. Stick him back in the U23s.

[mrmicawbers]

you would think a big signing on fee and much higher wages and maybe a set release fee should be what he would want.I would assume all of those would be in his new contract.The main thing he should be thinking about is his career longevity at the highest level which in my opinion is staying with us for a while yet.Hopefully his new agent will see it this way but maybe not as they tend to be greedy bastards.

[LC]

If he doesn't want to be at the club then he shouldn't play. If it's a case of he hasn't been offered the right contract yet then the manager should make the call to continue playing him or not.

To be honest this won't be the first time the club have failed to tie down one of our youngsters and it's very disappointing.

[davew]

Goodbye and thanks for all your effort in the few matches that we watched you! Hope that the saying about the grass being greener.... doesn't come back to bite you!! I think we will be fine and manage without you!

[grandad]

The lad needs to do the decent & honourable thing & sign a 4 year contract with a fee arranged & a sell on clause. Saha & EVDS did this enabling us to get large fees.
He would be held in esteem rather that treated with contempt.

[davew]

"Lets not pretend football clubs are loyal if it doesn't benefit the clubs."

Yes, Carvalho will have seen many teammates  he grew up with let go, their dreams crushed- so he knows that clubs have no loyalty to players these days - they are just a valuable asset.

As said, it's surely in his interest to play well, if he wants to leave for a top club, and it's in our interests to use him while he is here, if he helps get us up.

So play him , but obviously not if he's not giving his all - Silva will be the  judge of that.

Sorry Ray, I disagree. Roberts and Elliott had every opportunity to stay with us, their choice that they left not Fulham's! I wish him well, hopefully he will get to play a few games next season with 1 of the more elite teams.

[grandad]

No fault can be levied at our management. You can lead a horse to water but you can´t make it drink. All our previous grass is greener prospects have been so badly advised. Tho only winners are their agents. They are just leeches.

[Twig]

I'm not blaming the club and nor do I think it would be helpful to close our academy (especially in the light of our enhanced training facilities). Obviously, if Fabio isn't going to commit his future to Fulham, then we would be best served if he would do a Sess and sign a new contract before going up for sale. That way we get a valuable transfer fee.
If Fabio doesn't want to do any of those things then, regrettably, I'd exclude him from the squad. As others have said FFC is a team and playing a wanna leave (no matter how good) is an insult to other players.

[vancouver]

Apparently he's turned down 25k a week on a 4 year deal. Which is more than $5 million pounds not including bonus's which were substantial.

The loyalty thing goes both ways. We under the Khan's have immediately frozen out first team regulars after promotion with no attempt to give them a chance. We dicked around his mate O'Riley who is now starring at MK Dons after we forced him to train by himself for 9 months.

[Dunstable Fulham]

Football is a ruthless business. You look after number one I'm afraid. Whether we play him or not between now and the end of the season comes down to his attitude and desire to play for Fulham and commit to the cause. Any doubts and he doesn't even get in the match day squad in my view. If Marco is satisfied on his commitment desire and professionalism and wants to play him then I fully support that decision irrespective of whether or not he has signed a contract.
My gut feel having seen him on Saturday is that he is not overly interested- as somebody else said his body language was poor and he didn't respond at all to the chanting of his name from the Hammi end from what I saw and I was watching him specifically to try and read him.
It's a shame but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he is not even on the bench tomorrow.