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Summer Silly Season Transfer Thread 2025

Started by Deeping_white, April 24, 2025, 05:08:09 PM

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FFC007

We have spent less than one side in League Two has in transfer fees this summer...

FFC007

Quote from: ffcthereligion on August 05, 2025, 07:26:23 PMThis has got to be one of the most depressing windows I've experienced. There aren't even rumours anymore. All that seems to have happened is a shift from debating whether it's acceptable or not to have a get your targets later in the window policy to trying to rationalise the excuse for not signing anyone at all because of the new rules

As mentioned before, I hope we aren't going to end with a last minute rush and dash to get players in, some of which could be described as "damaged goods" which we get in desperation.

If the start of the season is poor, then I fear we could end up getting dross coming on board as an act of last resort.


demeant0r

If we're not going to sign anyone else we better not lose Muniz 😡

Fulham Tup North

Quote from: FFC007 on August 05, 2025, 11:18:57 PMWe have spent less than one side in League Two has in transfer fees this summer...
It's not about how fast you start... it's about how strong you finish...
"Whether you think you can or you think you can't,....you're right"

Angus Telford

#4225
Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on August 05, 2025, 10:57:05 PMhttps://twitter.com/puck1879/status/1952731828898435560

To put it all into depressing perspective.

Someone needs to tell the other 19 clubs about SCR, quick!
Doesn't Sunderland's CEO read Twitter??


Angus Telford

Quote from: FFC007 on August 05, 2025, 11:18:57 PMWe have spent less than one side in League Two has in transfer fees this summer...

There's a rumour going around that the Lecomte transfer was part-financed by another donation from Hugh Grant.

Arthur

Quote from: Angus Telford on August 06, 2025, 12:04:09 AMSomeone needs to tell the other 19 clubs about SCR, quick!

You have a point. And the implication can only be that if other clubs are spending with SCR on the horizon, why aren't we? But are you actually advocating the Club shouldn't bother complying with the proposed regulation? Because if SCR does come into force and we were to be hit with a points deduction for failing to meet the criterion, I can't help but think you would be among the most critical of our DoF and CEO for allowing it to happen.

Angus Telford

#4228
Quote from: Arthur on August 06, 2025, 01:16:16 AMI can't help but think you would be among the most critical of our DoF and CEO for allowing it to happen.

Firstly, is there even a conceivable fact pattern where we incur this sanction purely by following the lead of other, more adventurous clubs, yet somehow end up being the only one of them that's sanctioned? If not, and substantially all clubs incurred the same sanction, i think even I would struggle to find a good rationale for complaint.

Secondly, in any case, if I were rich enough to need and afford a highly-paid fund manager, and he could only return a 1% pa return on my investment in the current climate, I wouldn't consider it a defence for him to say, "If I'd gambled and lost all your money, you'd have complained." I expect people paid handsomely to make these judgments to be adventurous and embrace substantial risk, and prevail.


Arthur

Quote from: Angus Telford on August 06, 2025, 01:33:48 AM
Quote from: Arthur on August 06, 2025, 01:16:16 AMI can't help but think you would be among the most critical of our DoF and CEO for allowing it to happen.

Firstly, is there even a conceivable fact pattern where we incur this sanction purely by following the lead of other, more adventurous clubs, yet somehow end up being the only one of them that's sanctioned? If not, and substantially all clubs incurred the same sanction, i think even I would struggle to find a good rationale for complaint.

Secondly, in any case, if I were rich enough to need and afford a highly-paid fund manager, and he could only return a 1% pa return on my investment in the current climate, I wouldn't consider it a defence for him to say, "If I'd gambled and lost all your money, you'd have complained." I expect people paid handsomely to make these judgments to be adventurous and embrace substantial risk, and prevail.

In a nutshell, then, you don't think we need to comply with SCR. Fair enough.

Super Mick

Who's replacing Vinicius then? The new backup goalie?

iansthailand

Quote from: Fulham Tup North on August 05, 2025, 03:29:31 PM
Quote from: WindyCity on August 05, 2025, 03:25:49 PM
Quote from: Fulham Tup North on August 05, 2025, 03:19:13 PM
Quote from: RAY Rock on August 05, 2025, 01:08:25 PM.... the last 11 games were relegation form and we have the same team ....
This was proved INCORRECT yesterday and yet you still keep spouting it??
Just because you repeat a lie, it will never become the truth...

The rest of your statement ... cannot argue... tbf...
COYW

I don't know if we were 'actually' in relegation form, BUT, you can't deny that the end of the season was terrible, some very poor results, lost chances for higher table finish and possible Euro qualification due to poor results v lower table clubs.  Very disappointing finish to last season campaign....
You are correct ... but as soon as these new players bed in we will be flying ...  :slap:

We are buying Joe Heroin and Bert Cannabis!


iansthailand

Quote from: Drewry66 on August 05, 2025, 06:35:20 PM
Quote from: Angus Telford on August 05, 2025, 05:34:49 PM
Quote from: Drewry66 on August 05, 2025, 01:59:28 PMTo be fair to not include amortised fees in the rules would make little sense I would have thought. That would essentially mean you could spend what you want on the transfer fee which spending within means was part of the point of the regulations in the first place. May be folk are wrong but the Athletic seems to suggest amortised fees are included from what I can see snd they are usually very reliable. Agree seems like madness!

But the UEFA system, which is apparently the model here, doesn't include amortised transfer fees. It's wages that are crippling clubs - Fulham as an example, £20m net spend on transfers last year, £150m on wages. And as I said, to bring both wages and transfer spending combined under 85% of revenue is equally nonsensical given how epicly far from that most clubs are right now, where wages alone are typically close to that threshold. I wonder if it was just the 20th-place "anchoring" element that was supposed to cover transfer fees, and the Athletic et al misinterpreted that.

All just feels too fishy for me, to suddenly be picked up by the forum and elsewhere midway through the window, when it's apparently been in the pipeline for 2+ years.

I just can't see it happening, whether that's for the reasons given earlier (contingency on Man City case, PFA challenge etc) or just because it'll be plain suicidal for the PL (at least in the form suggested, ie, including transfer fees as well).

Has however been good to discuss and read about in the absence of transfer news. Gonna have to give myself an enforced mental break now.

Yeah fair enough mate. I agree that just can't understand how it will work as on the face of it no one will be compliant! As I say though the articles suggest it's wages and amortised fees as per the link I posted but who knows. I too am sick of thinking about it!

 :slap:

Let's just hope the club can get over whatever the hell is stopping them signing anyone right now as clearly it's killing us all.  ::cry::
Thanks to you two for all the effort in trying to make sense of SCR for us ordinary folk.

iansthailand

Quote from: alfie on August 05, 2025, 07:42:02 PMI've given up worrying about it, what will be will be.

So right Alfie. Hope all's well with you and yours.

iansthailand

Quote from: alfie on August 05, 2025, 07:42:02 PMI've given up worrying about it, what will be will be.

So right Alfie. Hope all's well with you and yours.
Quote from: ffc73 on August 05, 2025, 08:13:40 PMRemember when there was only Ceefax & we weren't even close to having any news on there either.

I used to think if I took my boots with me to the first match I might get a game.
Could happen this season. Get the Dubbin and Wintergreen Ointment out!


iansthailand

Quote from: alfie on August 05, 2025, 07:42:02 PMI've given up worrying about it, what will be will be.

So right Alfie. Hope all's well with you and yours.
Quote from: ffc73 on August 05, 2025, 08:13:40 PMRemember when there was only Ceefax & we weren't even close to having any news on there either.

I used to think if I took my boots with me to the first match I might get a game.
Could happen this season. Get the Dubbin and Wintergreen Ointment out!
Quote from: bencher on August 05, 2025, 11:06:10 PMWell played everyone. I've just finished a lovely day touring Rome and I came back to find several pages of unread posts on this thread. "Only a real concrete transfer could possibly generate that much buzz", I naively thought to myself. Nope. It might be time to remove the word "Transfer" from the title.
Eternal optimist in the Eternal city?

Hugh Janus

Quote from: @jolslover on August 05, 2025, 10:45:11 PM
Quote from: Hugh Janus on August 05, 2025, 08:38:06 AM
Quote from: StuinSalop on August 05, 2025, 08:35:00 AMWhat we know is that to help make SCR, Raul, Adama and TC are out of contract.  That makes £200K a week, that on its own could do it, we would however need to replace but we could bring in low cost now or Jan and effectively trial this season.

Highest earner Leno on £120K a week, we could look to replace but doubt it.

Selling Robinson and Muniz probably gets us £100 Million.

Probably plenty of other options, it's just a question of playing the cards correctly.

What we can't do is commit to high earning long term contracts for players we don't know.

Conclusion, we are looking to bring in what we know....Nelson plus some low cost potential 1st team players like Lecomte.   Can we find more Robinsons, Tetes and Lenos? Who cost very little but have delivered hugely.

King is like a new £20M plus signing who in a few years time could be worth ridiculous money.

It's not all lost by any means, we have a solid squad now, but it required careful management and good decision making.


Robinson and Muniz fetching £100m is optimistic given the former's age. There's no way Muniz fetches more than £30m without a 15 goal season.

Certainly potential with King but right now it is just that.

Well it's already been widely reported we rejected 35m from Leeds so your wrong here.

Would love Richarlison .. not sure that would be a cheap option though if anything that would be the expensive option

For what it's worth. Even if we signed no one I don't think we are in trouble .. just so boring / uninspiring though.
Although I still think we will make 4 more signings before window shuts (5 in total)
Quote from: @jolslover on August 05, 2025, 10:45:11 PM
Quote from: Hugh Janus on August 05, 2025, 08:38:06 AM
Quote from: StuinSalop on August 05, 2025, 08:35:00 AMWhat we know is that to help make SCR, Raul, Adama and TC are out of contract.  That makes £200K a week, that on its own could do it, we would however need to replace but we could bring in low cost now or Jan and effectively trial this season.

Highest earner Leno on £120K a week, we could look to replace but doubt it.

Selling Robinson and Muniz probably gets us £100 Million.

Probably plenty of other options, it's just a question of playing the cards correctly.

What we can't do is commit to high earning long term contracts for players we don't know.

Conclusion, we are looking to bring in what we know....Nelson plus some low cost potential 1st team players like Lecomte.   Can we find more Robinsons, Tetes and Lenos? Who cost very little but have delivered hugely.

King is like a new £20M plus signing who in a few years time could be worth ridiculous money.

It's not all lost by any means, we have a solid squad now, but it required careful management and good decision making.


Robinson and Muniz fetching £100m is optimistic given the former's age. There's no way Muniz fetches more than £30m without a 15 goal season.

Certainly potential with King but right now it is just that.

Well it's already been widely reported we rejected 35m from Leeds so your wrong here.

Would love Richarlison .. not sure that would be a cheap option though if anything that would be the expensive option

For what it's worth. Even if we signed no one I don't think we are in trouble .. just so boring / uninspiring though.
Although I still think we will make 4 more signings before window shuts (5 in total)

£35m for Muniz from Leeds. What sources?

Agree we are not in trouble without signings. Though I still think we will get a few in. It's just a load of flapping.

OZ-WHITE

This is the first time that the majority of major leagues all have the same Transfer Window close date Sept 1 for Premier League, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A, and Ligue 1 - the last 48 hours before Sept 1st is going to be very busy
If it wasn't for the medication I,d be chewing on your skin


General

Quote from: OZ-WHITE on August 06, 2025, 07:14:26 AMThis is the first time that the majority of major leagues all have the same Transfer Window close date Sept 1 for Premier League, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A, and Ligue 1 - the last 48 hours before Sept 1st is going to be very busy

This sounds like we're taking a massive gamble.

This could either go horribly, with a damp squib, or seem like a genius move..

So far, its going horribly.

This club have been nothing short of inept so far.

Twig

Quote from: Arthur on August 06, 2025, 01:16:16 AM
Quote from: Angus Telford on August 06, 2025, 12:04:09 AMSomeone needs to tell the other 19 clubs about SCR, quick!

You have a point. And the implication can only be that if other clubs are spending with SCR on the horizon, why aren't we? But are you actually advocating the Club shouldn't bother complying with the proposed regulation? Because if SCR does come into force and we were to be hit with a points deduction for failing to meet the criterion, I can't help but think you would be among the most critical of our DoF and CEO for allowing it to happen.

Well on that logic there would be an awful lot of those clubs that have already splashed the cash also subject to points deductions. But anyhow, do you really think SCR is anywhere near implementation any time soon? Because I don't.