Both nice guys but sp is not experienced enough for the prem and TK needs to understand we need proven prem players and not stats players. Better with three proven prem players at twenty m than ten may turn out to be good. Also let's stop buying players with dodgy knees. Rant over.
I agree.
Proven prem players cost more money and might not want to come to us? What's your next move? Tarkowski is an average ability CB with Prem experience but Burnley want £50m, you could get two good foreign centre halves for the same price, hence why we use stats to try and identify good players that may cost less
Is he still using that stats c***? :031: If he is then God or someone please help us and before the transfer window slams shut. I wish our defence could slam shut. :022:
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But it's not working is it?
Ah yes, and I'm sure you were experienced and knew what you were doing for every hobby or professional career you held or currently hold from day one. No career should ever progress, because no one can ever progress, develop, or evolve. Scott had one season in charge in the league below this one, and he got us out of it on the first ask. It's reasonable to let him learn his trade in the league above and give him time. There will be growing pains, but that's with any leader moving to the next higher management position in any industry.
If every "boss" I ever had or any managerial position I ever held was let go because they couldn't perform or adapt immediately to the expected standard on week one - we'd have no one, and future leaders wouldn't be able to grow because they're always "too inexperienced" Or simply "not good enough"
I have no comment on TK - but as far as ur gaffer goes - to write him off already is folly.
This is a multi million pound business not asdas checkout. If we want to progress we need more from Khan in terms of players and a top manager if they are serious about owning a top team. They have the money, but a new Riverside stand doesn't cut it in the third division does it. We need quality and we've already had one lesson. How many lessons does it take before it sinks in?
And we should have gone up as champions not through the play offs with the best squad in the championship. SP was lucky in the championship. He won't cut it at this level.
Nothing like motivating your team as a manager by saying, we will lose more games than we win is there?
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:33:31 PM
And we should have gone up as champions not through the play offs with the best squad in the championship. SP was lucky in the championship. He won't cut it at this level.
I am sorry this is the positive Blingo who does nothing but be positive? So now your theory is get rid of the coach and the system that won two promotions. This after one match in the Prem against a team who finished well and probably are in the top three in the division.
Remind me not to be as positive as you.
I had the impression that we were now bringing in players based on scouts reports, Parker's opinion and Stats, which seems reasonable.
Lol..we haven't played any of our new signings...yet we get complaints about our signings. After game 1.
Guess I'm in the right place.
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Quote from: Deeping_white on September 13, 2020, 04:19:23 PM
Proven prem players cost more money and might not want to come to us? What's your next move? Tarkowski is an average ability CB with Prem experience but Burnley want £50m, you could get two good foreign centre halves for the same price, hence why we use stats to try and identify good players that may cost less
I agree. It's amazing how little lifelong football fans know about what is actually going on.
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:30:39 PM
This is a multi million pound business not asdas checkout. If we want to progress we need more from Khan in terms of players and a top manager if they are serious about owning a top team. They have the money, but a new Riverside stand doesn't cut it in the third division does it. We need quality and we've already had one lesson. How many lessons does it take before it sinks in?
When are you going to understand that FFP limits how much the Khans can spend on players?
Quote from: OhConnah on September 13, 2020, 04:23:57 PM
Ah yes, and I'm sure you were experienced and knew what you were doing for every hobby or professional career you held or currently hold from day one. No career should ever progress, because no one can ever progress, develop, or evolve. Scott had one season in charge in the league below this one, and he got us out of it on the first ask. It's reasonable to let him learn his trade in the league above and give him time. There will be growing pains, but that's with any leader moving to the next higher management position in any industry.
If every "boss" I ever had or any managerial position I ever held was let go because they couldn't perform or adapt immediately to the expected standard on week one - we'd have no one, and future leaders wouldn't be able to grow because they're always "too inexperienced" Or simply "not good enough"
I have no comment on TK - but as far as ur gaffer goes - to write him off already is folly.
Amen
TK is not a nice guy.
A petty vindictive individual
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 13, 2020, 05:00:43 PM
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:30:39 PM
This is a multi million pound business not asdas checkout. If we want to progress we need more from Khan in terms of players and a top manager if they are serious about owning a top team. They have the money, but a new Riverside stand doesn't cut it in the third division does it. We need quality and we've already had one lesson. How many lessons does it take before it sinks in?
When are you going to understand that FFP limits how much the Khans can spend on players?
But we are nowhere near that limit at the moment
But we supposedly have a two tick method of identifying possible new players - stats and scouting assessments, which seems reasonable to me.
I don't think the club is just concerned with getting in the cheapest players possible.
They've been accused of splashing the cash unnecessarily in the [past, and this season what about the offers we've made to get Luis.
I think the Khans and Parker very much want to stay in the Prem - are they blind that they can't see what we can all see ?-that we need top quality players who often cost big money to do this, it's their reps, careers, and money on the line after all.
But these top players usually want to go to top, successful clubs, so we're often looking at young players eager to prove themselves, or players at th end of their careers.
I don't think SP and TK are particularly 'nice' - well they may or may not be, I've never met them, but experienced professionals in football and business respectively, competitive and driven to succeed at what they do.
The weakest link is the owners son, he is the catalyst in all this Buffoonary in bringing in players.
He is far from qualified in the job as D of F and it shows. He purchases players we don't need to cover up his short comings in failing in his negotiations to sign the players we do need.
To take away the attention of his failures.
How many lightweight players, made up of deadwood and players who surplus were to requirements of their parent clubs he bought every year that either never make the first team or only last a short while, too many to remember.
No other club either side of the equator would tolerate his incompetence, except his father, and how much of his money has he wasted. Fulham have been promoted twice by two different managers despite the Huge Handicap of having the owners son interfering in their jobs.
A Centre Half was the priority before any other position to be strengthened, and the season has commenced and we appear to be no nearer that we were months ago. In fact we are worse off now that Alfie Mawson is on loan at Bristol City, not the way to operate a Premier League Club.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 13, 2020, 05:26:34 PM
The weakest link is the owners son, he is the catalyst in all this Buffoonary in bringing in players.
He is far from qualified in the job as D of F and it shows. He purchases players we don't need to cover up his short comings in failing in his negotiations to sign the players we do need.
To take away the attention of his failures.
How many lightweight players, made up of deadwood and players who surplus were to requirements of their parent clubs he bought every year that either never make the first team or only last a short while, too many to remember.
No other club either side of the equator would tolerate his incompetence, except his father, and how much of his money has he wasted. Fulham have been promoted twice by two different managers despite the Huge Handicap of having the owners son interfering in their jobs.
A Centre Half was the priority before any other position to be strengthened, and the season has commenced and we appear to be no nearer that we were months ago. In fact we are worse off now that Alfie Mawson is on loan at Bristol City, not the way to operate a Premier League Club.
This is a fair rant. I find myself largely agreeing with the criticism of TK. It may be unfair, but from a neutral perspective - it seems on the nose.
My only angst about the situation FFC find themselves in is that there may be a much better way of doing things than what we have seen since TK decided to be a major influence in areas where, unlike SP, he has no qualifications or pedigree at all. Whether the guys are nice or nasty only they can say, IMO, not that it has any relevance to anything at all. I rather suspect that all the nastiness we have seen in the last few years has eminated from things TK has done rather badly and if that was his best then heaven help us when he dishes out his worse.
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:30:39 PM
This is a multi million pound business not asdas checkout. If we want to progress we need more from Khan in terms of players and a top manager if they are serious about owning a top team. They have the money, but a new Riverside stand doesn't cut it in the third division does it. We need quality and we've already had one lesson. How many lessons does it take before it sinks in?
Agree, 2 relegations, 3 managers in each relegation season. It didn't work the first time they had 3 managers in a season, they didn't learn anything from that experience. It's a very American thing to 'fire' people.
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:33:31 PM
And we should have gone up as champions not through the play offs with the best squad in the championship. SP was lucky in the championship. He won't cut it at this level.
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:46:53 PM
Nothing like motivating your team as a manager by saying, we will lose more games than we win is there?
Agree 100%.
Quote from: toshes mate on September 13, 2020, 05:41:34 PM
My only angst about the situation FFC find themselves in is that there may be a much better way of doing things than what we have seen since TK decided to be a major influence in areas where, unlike SP, he has no qualifications or pedigree at all. Whether the guys are nice or nasty only they can say, IMO, not that it has any relevance to anything at all. I rather suspect that all the nastiness we have seen in the last few years has eminated from things TK has done rather badly and if that was his best then heaven help us when he dishes out his worse.
So, you ignore what he's done well? I'm not being aggressive...just asking a simple question because personally, as an organization I think Fulham have had an above average to good past 5 seasons compared to a majority of football organizations...and I attribute some of that to the decisions that Tony Khan has made. Not all of his decisions mind you, but some of his decisions that have indeed worked out.
Do you not agree?
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 13, 2020, 05:00:43 PM
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:30:39 PM
This is a multi million pound business not asdas checkout. If we want to progress we need more from Khan in terms of players and a top manager if they are serious about owning a top team. They have the money, but a new Riverside stand doesn't cut it in the third division does it. We need quality and we've already had one lesson. How many lessons does it take before it sinks in?
When are you going to understand that FFP limits how much the Khans can spend on players?
To me it looks like Khan Junior is trying to balance the books, he's gone the polar opposite direction to our previous return to the Prem and spending (£120m).
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 13, 2020, 05:26:34 PM
The weakest link is the owners son, he is the catalyst in all this Buffoonary in bringing in players.
He is far from qualified in the job as D of F and it shows. He purchases players we don't need to cover up his short comings in failing in his negotiations to sign the players we do need.
To take away the attention of his failures.
How many lightweight players, made up of deadwood and players who surplus were to requirements of their parent clubs he bought every year that either never make the first team or only last a short while, too many to remember.
No other club either side of the equator would tolerate his incompetence, except his father, and how much of his money has he wasted. Fulham have been promoted twice by two different managers despite the Huge Handicap of having the owners son interfering in their jobs.
A Centre Half was the priority before any other position to be strengthened, and the season has commenced and we appear to be no nearer that we were months ago. In fact we are worse off now that Alfie Mawson is on loan at Bristol City, not the way to operate a Premier League Club.
Agree.
Quote from: RaySmith on September 13, 2020, 05:24:40 PM
But we supposedly have a two tick method of identifying possible new players - stats and scouting assessments, which seems reasonable to me.
I don't think the club is just concerned with getting in the cheapest players possible.
They've been accused of splashing the cash unnecessarily in the [past, and this season what about the offers we've made to get Luis.
I think the Khans and Parker very much want to stay in the Prem - are they blind that they can't see what we can all see ?-that we need top quality players who often cost big money to do this, it's their reps, careers, and money on the line after all.
But these top players usually want to go to top, successful clubs, so we're often looking at young players eager to prove themselves, or players at th end of their careers.
I don't think SP and TK are particularly 'nice' - well they may or may not be, I've never met them, but experienced professionals in football and business respectively, competitive and driven to succeed at what they do.
This.
Quote from: rebel on September 13, 2020, 05:52:58 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 13, 2020, 05:00:43 PM
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:30:39 PM
This is a multi million pound business not asdas checkout. If we want to progress we need more from Khan in terms of players and a top manager if they are serious about owning a top team. They have the money, but a new Riverside stand doesn't cut it in the third division does it. We need quality and we've already had one lesson. How many lessons does it take before it sinks in?
When are you going to understand that FFP limits how much the Khans can spend on players?
To me it looks like Khan Junior is trying to balance the books, he's gone the polar opposite direction to our previous return to the Prem and spending (£120m).
But surely you are aware of the window being open several more weeks?
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 13, 2020, 05:49:33 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on September 13, 2020, 05:41:34 PM
My only angst about the situation FFC find themselves in is that there may be a much better way of doing things than what we have seen since TK decided to be a major influence in areas where, unlike SP, he has no qualifications or pedigree at all. Whether the guys are nice or nasty only they can say, IMO, not that it has any relevance to anything at all. I rather suspect that all the nastiness we have seen in the last few years has eminated from things TK has done rather badly and if that was his best then heaven help us when he dishes out his worse.
So, you ignore what he's done well? I'm not being aggressive...just asking a simple question because personally, as an organization I think Fulham have had an above average to good past 5 seasons compared to a majority of football organizations...and I attribute some of that to the decisions that Tony Khan has made. Not all of his decisions mind you, but some of his decisions that have indeed worked out.
Do you not agree?
The 3 managers during the second relegation season stands out as a major highlight. If we hadn't gone down with 3 managers during our first relegation season, then all the good work wouldn't have been necessary.
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Quote from: rebel on September 13, 2020, 05:52:58 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 13, 2020, 05:00:43 PM
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:30:39 PM
This is a multi million pound business not asdas checkout. If we want to progress we need more from Khan in terms of players and a top manager if they are serious about owning a top team. They have the money, but a new Riverside stand doesn't cut it in the third division does it. We need quality and we've already had one lesson. How many lessons does it take before it sinks in?
When are you going to understand that FFP limits how much the Khans can spend on players?
To me it looks like Khan Junior is trying to balance the books, he's gone the polar opposite direction to our previous return to the Prem and spending (£120m).
But surely you are aware of the window being open several more weeks?
Yes, I envisage 'loans, then buy' transfers. That way if we go down then we don't have to fork out huge sums. Which is o.k.
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Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 13, 2020, 05:49:33 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on September 13, 2020, 05:41:34 PM
My only angst about the situation FFC find themselves in is that there may be a much better way of doing things than what we have seen since TK decided to be a major influence in areas where, unlike SP, he has no qualifications or pedigree at all. Whether the guys are nice or nasty only they can say, IMO, not that it has any relevance to anything at all. I rather suspect that all the nastiness we have seen in the last few years has eminated from things TK has done rather badly and if that was his best then heaven help us when he dishes out his worse.
So, you ignore what he's done well? I'm not being aggressive...just asking a simple question because personally, as an organization I think Fulham have had an above average to good past 5 seasons compared to a majority of football organizations...and I attribute some of that to the decisions that Tony Khan has made. Not all of his decisions mind you, but some of his decisions that have indeed worked out.
Do you not agree?
The 3 managers during the second relegation season stands out as a major highlight. If we hadn't gone down with 3 managers during our first relegation season, then all the good work wouldn't have been necessary.
Yup. That was poor decision making...that resulted in us getting relegated, yet also got us Scott Parker...and also had us come right back up.
Sure...would have been nice to have been in Leeds position...but then we wouldn't have had the joy of watching TWO championship winning games in 3 seasons.
It hasn't been all roses, no. It also hasn't been a Wigan, Sunderland or Bolton train wreck like some are implying it has been.
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Quote from: toshes mate on September 13, 2020, 05:41:34 PM
My only angst about the situation FFC find themselves in is that there may be a much better way of doing things than what we have seen since TK decided to be a major influence in areas where, unlike SP, he has no qualifications or pedigree at all. Whether the guys are nice or nasty only they can say, IMO, not that it has any relevance to anything at all. I rather suspect that all the nastiness we have seen in the last few years has eminated from things TK has done rather badly and if that was his best then heaven help us when he dishes out his worse.
So, you ignore what he's done well? I'm not being aggressive...just asking a simple question because personally, as an organization I think Fulham have had an above average to good past 5 seasons compared to a majority of football organizations...and I attribute some of that to the decisions that Tony Khan has made. Not all of his decisions mind you, but some of his decisions that have indeed worked out.
Do you not agree?
No. When opportunity falls into your lap through fate most business managers lap up the good times and consolidate and don't imperil their good fortune by making wretchedly poor decisions. TK has no idea what a lucky boy he has been, which is my way of saying he knows how to look a gift horse in the mouth which is not IMHO a great recommendation for anyone.
Quote from: absenteeism on September 13, 2020, 05:05:11 PM
TK is not a nice guy.
A petty vindictive individual
And you are a laugh a minute pal .One negative post after another !
Quote from: colinwhite on September 13, 2020, 06:34:31 PM
Quote from: absenteeism on September 13, 2020, 05:05:11 PM
TK is not a nice guy.
A petty vindictive individual
And you are a laugh a minute pal .One negative post after another !
I'm like Parker - a realist
Quote from: absenteeism on September 13, 2020, 05:05:11 PM
TK is not a nice guy.
A petty vindictive individual
I would take 10 of him to one of you. You are the one being vindictive. You are anti everything the owners have done for our club. I don´t see what you are trying to prove with your attitude.
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:13:04 PM
Both nice guys but sp is not experienced enough for the prem and TK needs to understand we need proven prem players and not stats players. Better with three proven prem players at twenty m than ten may turn out to be good. Also let's stop buying players with dodgy knees. Rant over.
So you're ok with doing this again?
Aleksandar Mitrović - Newcastle
Calum Chambers - Arsenal
Alfie Mawson - Swansea City
Andre Schurlle - Chelsea + Bundesliga
Ryan Babel - Liverpool + Bundesliga
Because we all know what a spectacular result these proven Premier League players provided us in 2018/2019.
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:46:53 PM
Nothing like motivating your team as a manager by saying, we will lose more games than we win is there?
Agreed. I'm sorry, but from a head coach this is NOT ACCEPTABLE. Don't get me wrong, I like SP. But this sort of thing should never be part of the dialogue. I just don't want to hear this from my head coach. Does not need to be verbalized. Sure, we all know, and I'm sure the players do too, the reality of the situation. Sometimes these guys are their own worst enemies. Just keep it zipped!
Quote from: bog on September 13, 2020, 04:20:51 PM
Is he still using that stats c***? :031: If he is then God or someone please help us and before the transfer window slams shut. I wish our defence could slam shut. :022:
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ALL clubs use a stats module.
Quote from: WindyCity on September 13, 2020, 06:52:46 PM
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:46:53 PM
Nothing like motivating your team as a manager by saying, we will lose more games than we win is there?
Agreed. I'm sorry, but from a head coach this is NOT ACCEPTABLE. Don't get me wrong, I like SP. But this sort of thing should never be part of the dialogue. I just don't want to hear this from my head coach. Does not need to be verbalized. Sure, we all know, and I'm sure the players do too, the reality of the situation. Sometimes these guys are their own worst enemies. Just keep it zipped!
A post game interview after a loss is listened to/heard by how many of the actual players do ya think? Or are most of them listening to music with ear buds on the bus, or in their cars on the ride home?
I doubt professional footballers listen to media noise. It's counter productive.
If you think his message was meant for the general public, he's setting the bar low....as he should do imo.
It won't be liked by some (like you) and some won't find issue with it (like me).
If he says nothing, or complains, or says "on to the next game"... who does that benefit?
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Quote from: WindyCity on September 13, 2020, 06:52:46 PM
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:46:53 PM
Nothing like motivating your team as a manager by saying, we will lose more games than we win is there?
Agreed. I'm sorry, but from a head coach this is NOT ACCEPTABLE. Don't get me wrong, I like SP. But this sort of thing should never be part of the dialogue. I just don't want to hear this from my head coach. Does not need to be verbalized. Sure, we all know, and I'm sure the players do too, the reality of the situation. Sometimes these guys are their own worst enemies. Just keep it zipped!
A post game interview after a loss is listened to/heard by how many of the actual players do ya think? Or are most of them listening to music with ear buds on the bus, or in their cars on the ride home?
I doubt professional footballers listen to media noise. It's counter productive.
Oh, I think they listen. Especially when that media noise is coming from their own coach. It's counter productive.
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Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 13, 2020, 06:58:48 PM
Quote from: WindyCity on September 13, 2020, 06:52:46 PM
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:46:53 PM
Nothing like motivating your team as a manager by saying, we will lose more games than we win is there?
Agreed. I'm sorry, but from a head coach this is NOT ACCEPTABLE. Don't get me wrong, I like SP. But this sort of thing should never be part of the dialogue. I just don't want to hear this from my head coach. Does not need to be verbalized. Sure, we all know, and I'm sure the players do too, the reality of the situation. Sometimes these guys are their own worst enemies. Just keep it zipped!
A post game interview after a loss is listened to/heard by how many of the actual players do ya think? Or are most of them listening to music with ear buds on the bus, or in their cars on the ride home?
I doubt professional footballers listen to media noise. It's counter productive.
Oh, I think they listen. Especially when that media noise is coming from their own coach. It's counter productive.
They listen to their head coach/manager almost every day multiple times a day, before, during and after their game...
I'd conjecture they aren't listening to an interview after a loss. They are thinking about what they could have done better or they are trying to get away from thoughts of the game until they go back to work.
But...I may be wrong (as you may be).
Quote from: WindyCity on September 13, 2020, 07:02:27 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 13, 2020, 06:58:48 PM
Quote from: WindyCity on September 13, 2020, 06:52:46 PM
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:46:53 PM
Nothing like motivating your team as a manager by saying, we will lose more games than we win is there?
Agreed. I'm sorry, but from a head coach this is NOT ACCEPTABLE. Don't get me wrong, I like SP. But this sort of thing should never be part of the dialogue. I just don't want to hear this from my head coach. Does not need to be verbalized. Sure, we all know, and I'm sure the players do too, the reality of the situation. Sometimes these guys are their own worst enemies. Just keep it zipped!
A post game interview after a loss is listened to/heard by how many of the actual players do ya think? Or are most of them listening to music with ear buds on the bus, or in their cars on the ride home?
I doubt professional footballers listen to media noise. It's counter productive.
Oh, I think they listen. Especially when that media noise is coming from their own coach. It's counter productive.
Maybe they listen, but I'm pretty sure they don't over analyze each sentence looking for something to complain about. The players listen to Parker every day, so they surely know what he's about. I am very surprised this absolute non issue is still debated, it that's of course my subjective opinion.
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:33:31 PM
And we should have gone up as champions not through the play offs with the best squad in the championship. SP was lucky in the championship. He won't cut it at this level.
"Lucky", in what sense?
The players are realistic anyway.
They know Prem survival is going to be tough, but I'm sure they are motivated for the battle, and know parker will lead them in this - one sentence in an interview that they probably din;t even listen to, isn't going to make a difference.
They all know, as well, how difficult it can be when a mike is thrust in your face after a loss.
Quote from: absenteeism on September 13, 2020, 05:05:11 PM
TK is not a nice guy.
A petty vindictive individual
Genuinely interested, how do you know this? Have you worked with him?
Christ on a bike moaning about TK and SP sigings before one of them has played a game, Shall we see them play before wrting everyine off
Quote from: Nero on September 13, 2020, 09:11:31 PM
Christ on a bike moaning about TK and SP sigings before one of them has played a game, Shall we see them play before wrting everyine off
Well that's exactly the problem isn't it? The season has started and we haven't seen any of our new signings play a game yet. Not even a pre-season friendly.
TK has failed to get even a SINGLE new signing ready for the start of the season (except for re-signing Reed on an option and even that one dragged out). Not a SINGLE position in our starting 11 against Arsenal had been strengthened.
The position everyone knew should be top priority (CB) hasn't even been signed yet and will be WEEKS away from being fully integrated into the squad even if we sign someone tomorrow. Which means we will most likely play our upcoming relegation six pointers with our current options at CB.
The club is run by a part-time amateur who will most likely never be fired because he is the owner's son. Which means that we have a DoF who will never be held accountable for his failures. I mean, how many managers/head coaches are we going to fire before we fire our DoF? In the current situation the anwer to that question is probably 'all of them'. I'd rather have the Michael Jackson statue as DoF.
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 13, 2020, 04:47:13 PM
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:33:31 PM
And we should have gone up as champions not through the play offs with the best squad in the championship. SP was lucky in the championship. He won't cut it at this level.
I am sorry this is the positive Blingo who does nothing but be positive? So now your theory is get rid of the coach and the system that won two promotions. This after one match in the Prem against a team who finished well and probably are in the top three in the division.
Remind me not to be as positive as you.
Ahhh A response from the other half of the blingo/lighthouse scale lol. You know im right Light head, you just like moaning hahahahaha
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 13, 2020, 05:01:43 PM
Quote from: OhConnah on September 13, 2020, 04:23:57 PM
Ah yes, and I'm sure you were experienced and knew what you were doing for every hobby or professional career you held or currently hold from day one. No career should ever progress, because no one can ever progress, develop, or evolve. Scott had one season in charge in the league below this one, and he got us out of it on the first ask. It's reasonable to let him learn his trade in the league above and give him time. There will be growing pains, but that's with any leader moving to the next higher management position in any industry.
If every "boss" I ever had or any managerial position I ever held was let go because they couldn't perform or adapt immediately to the expected standard on week one - we'd have no one, and future leaders wouldn't be able to grow because they're always "too inexperienced" Or simply "not good enough"
I have no comment on TK - but as far as ur gaffer goes - to write him off already is folly.
Amen
TBH ive owned 8 successful companies and no no one knows it all, but I started from nothing not a $4.5 BILLION fortune, so there is more than enough business accummen there (or should be) to make FFC successful and profitable. Mr K seems more interested in developing than FFC. His son has 0+ experience and SP has about the same. Do YOU personally see that as the right way forward? I for one don't.
Quote from: rebel on September 13, 2020, 05:52:58 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 13, 2020, 05:00:43 PM
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:30:39 PM
This is a multi million pound business not asdas checkout. If we want to progress we need more from Khan in terms of players and a top manager if they are serious about owning a top team. They have the money, but a new Riverside stand doesn't cut it in the third division does it. We need quality and we've already had one lesson. How many lessons does it take before it sinks in?
When are you going to understand that FFP limits how much the Khans can spend on players?
To me it looks like Khan Junior is trying to balance the books, he's gone the polar opposite direction to our previous return to the Prem and spending (£120m).
Correct
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 13, 2020, 05:58:26 PM
Quote from: rebel on September 13, 2020, 05:52:58 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 13, 2020, 05:00:43 PM
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:30:39 PM
This is a multi million pound business not asdas checkout. If we want to progress we need more from Khan in terms of players and a top manager if they are serious about owning a top team. They have the money, but a new Riverside stand doesn't cut it in the third division does it. We need quality and we've already had one lesson. How many lessons does it take before it sinks in?
When are you going to understand that FFP limits how much the Khans can spend on players?
To me it looks like Khan Junior is trying to balance the books, he's gone the polar opposite direction to our previous return to the Prem and spending (£120m).
But surely you are aware of the window being open several more weeks?
For sure but how much have we spent?
Considering how busy TK is with wrestling, don't you guys think he's delegating Fulham transfer business to others? Just a thought. In addition, if Parker has the final say, why again is that TK's fault? Why does it have to be anyone's fault at all? I am sure there is so much more behind the scenes than what we're privvy to, yet we somehow find it in ourselves to assume and validate others with the same mentality.
Also, and I've said this before, at one point in time does his experience count for something? He's been doing this what - almost 5 years now? I've been in career paths where I should've never been close to touching - but I'm going on 4 years now and now consider myself an expert.
I get the nepotism that hangs over - and I'm sure TK knows it too - but at what point in time is that going to stop being an excuse? We wanted Reed, we signed Reed. We upgraded our midfield, we got Lemina and looks like keeping Anguissa - both Champions league experienced players.
If we sign a centre back tomorrow - does Tony get credit and is off the hook temporarily? It always seems like the heat gets hotter when we aren't getting what we want. We start attacking Fulham players, coaches, staff, even supporters. We played one match - and it's like we're already in relegation mentality.
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on September 13, 2020, 09:41:15 PM
Quote from: Nero on September 13, 2020, 09:11:31 PM
Christ on a bike moaning about TK and SP sigings before one of them has played a game, Shall we see them play before wrting everyine off
TK has failed to get even a SINGLE new signing ready for the start of the season (except for re-signing Reed on an option and even that one dragged out). Not a SINGLE position in our starting 11 against Arsenal had been strengthened.
Ok...I get that you don't like TK, but the sentence in bold is simply not true.
Also, we have an Asst. Director of Football and a head coach/manager that are responsible for finding players willing to play for Fulham, not Tony Khan. Go in on them.
Edit: I see you changed the wording.
I retract my statement that your statement isn't true.
Quote from: Statto on September 13, 2020, 05:09:08 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 13, 2020, 05:00:43 PM
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:30:39 PM
This is a multi million pound business not asdas checkout. If we want to progress we need more from Khan in terms of players and a top manager if they are serious about owning a top team. They have the money, but a new Riverside stand doesn't cut it in the third division does it. We need quality and we've already had one lesson. How many lessons does it take before it sinks in?
When are you going to understand that FFP limits how much the Khans can spend on players?
But we are nowhere near that limit at the moment
So you agree with me... they're limited on what they can spend. Obviously since they are limited in what they can spend, they have to be very careful on how the spend what money they can. Don't want to just throw it at random people and things.
Quote from: BarryP on September 13, 2020, 06:51:10 PM
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:13:04 PM
Both nice guys but sp is not experienced enough for the prem and TK needs to understand we need proven prem players and not stats players. Better with three proven prem players at twenty m than ten may turn out to be good. Also let's stop buying players with dodgy knees. Rant over.
So you're ok with doing this again?
Aleksandar Mitrović - Newcastle
Calum Chambers - Arsenal
Alfie Mawson - Swansea City
Andre Schurlle - Chelsea + Bundesliga
Ryan Babel - Liverpool + Bundesliga
Because we all know what a spectacular result these proven Premier League players provided us in 2018/2019.
Bad management decisions mate.
Mitro A1
Chambers.....jury is out but not overly impressed
mawson ..hadnt played for ages and recurring knee problems, would you have bought him?
schurle.......just a NO too old and not consistent
Babel, did ok but could have done so much better with better players around him. But again...too old.
Do you not see a serious lack of man management trying to buy us out of trouble on the cheap?
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on September 13, 2020, 09:41:15 PM
Quote from: Nero on September 13, 2020, 09:11:31 PM
Christ on a bike moaning about TK and SP sigings before one of them has played a game, Shall we see them play before wrting everyine off
Well that's exactly the problem isn't it? The season has started and we haven't seen any of our new signings play a game yet. Not even a pre-season friendly.
TK has failed to get even a SINGLE new signing ready for the start of the season (except for re-signing Reed on an option and even that one dragged out). Not a SINGLE position in our starting 11 against Arsenal had been strengthened.
The position everyone knew should be top priority (CB) hasn't even been signed yet and will be WEEKS away from being fully integrated into the squad even if we sign someone tomorrow. Which means we will most likely play our upcoming relegation six pointers with our current options at CB.
The club is run by a part-time amateur who will most likely never be fired because he is the owner's son. Which means that we have a DoF who will never be held accountable for his failures. I mean, how many managers/head coaches are we going to fire before we fire our DoF? In the current situation the anwer to that question is probably 'all of them'. I'd rather have the Michael Jackson statue as DoF.
We had two pre season games and there was a 39 day gap between the Play Off Final and the first game of the season. To expect the club to have a plethora of signings in place to start the first game is unreasonable, bearing in mind the players all went off for a summer holiday and pre season games started about two weeks ago at the earliest. If this was 2018/19 I would give you that argument but to expect a new team ready to go in such a short space of time is a lousy argument. Parker could've used Lemina/Robinson but chose not to so that's kind of on the manager not the transfer team.
For what it's worth, Robinson played in the MK Dons friendly and I believe both him and Lemina played in the game against Southampton
Quote from: Twig on September 13, 2020, 07:28:26 PM
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:33:31 PM
And we should have gone up as champions not through the play offs with the best squad in the championship. SP was lucky in the championship. He won't cut it at this level.
"Lucky", in what sense?
We have a bad defence and without Hector would have gone down. We lost games that we should never have lost. We were very lucky.
And WHY did not ONE of our new signings play yesterday?
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 10:20:32 PM
Quote from: BarryP on September 13, 2020, 06:51:10 PM
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:13:04 PM
Both nice guys but sp is not experienced enough for the prem and TK needs to understand we need proven prem players and not stats players. Better with three proven prem players at twenty m than ten may turn out to be good. Also let's stop buying players with dodgy knees. Rant over.
So you're ok with doing this again?
Aleksandar Mitrović - Newcastle
Calum Chambers - Arsenal
Alfie Mawson - Swansea City
Andre Schurlle - Chelsea + Bundesliga
Ryan Babel - Liverpool + Bundesliga
Because we all know what a spectacular result these proven Premier League players provided us in 2018/2019.
Bad management decisions mate.
Mitro A1
Chambers.....jury is out but not overly impressed
mawson ..hadnt played for ages and recurring knee problems, would you have bought him?
schurle.......just a NO too old and not consistent
Babel, did ok but could have done so much better with better players around him. But again...too old.
Do you not see a serious lack of man management trying to buy us out of trouble on the cheap?
What I see is a serious lack of realism by a Fulham fan in the type of players newly promoted teams are able to attract. Keep dreaming though because sometimes dreams do come true! (FYI I mean that sincerely, not having a dig at you)
Quote from: BarryP on September 13, 2020, 10:52:13 PM
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 10:20:32 PM
Quote from: BarryP on September 13, 2020, 06:51:10 PM
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:13:04 PM
Both nice guys but sp is not experienced enough for the prem and TK needs to understand we need proven prem players and not stats players. Better with three proven prem players at twenty m than ten may turn out to be good. Also let's stop buying players with dodgy knees. Rant over.
So you're ok with doing this again?
Aleksandar Mitrović - Newcastle
Calum Chambers - Arsenal
Alfie Mawson - Swansea City
Andre Schurlle - Chelsea + Bundesliga
Ryan Babel - Liverpool + Bundesliga
Because we all know what a spectacular result these proven Premier League players provided us in 2018/2019.
Bad management decisions mate.
Mitro A1
Chambers.....jury is out but not overly impressed
mawson ..hadnt played for ages and recurring knee problems, would you have bought him?
schurle.......just a NO too old and not consistent
Babel, did ok but could have done so much better with better players around him. But again...too old.
Do you not see a serious lack of man management trying to buy us out of trouble on the cheap?
What I see is a serious lack of realism by a Fulham fan in the type of players newly promoted teams are able to attract. Keep dreaming though because sometimes dreams do come true! (FYI I mean that sincerely, not having a dig at you)
No offence taken Barry. As the saying goes, money talks and b/s walks. We did it when we went DOWN with Coleman etc. The incentive to play in the prem is enough to attract a player who can then showcase himself in the best footballing division in the world.
Quote from: Deeping_white on September 13, 2020, 10:21:56 PM
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on September 13, 2020, 09:41:15 PM
Quote from: Nero on September 13, 2020, 09:11:31 PM
Christ on a bike moaning about TK and SP sigings before one of them has played a game, Shall we see them play before wrting everyine off
Well that's exactly the problem isn't it? The season has started and we haven't seen any of our new signings play a game yet. Not even a pre-season friendly.
TK has failed to get even a SINGLE new signing ready for the start of the season (except for re-signing Reed on an option and even that one dragged out). Not a SINGLE position in our starting 11 against Arsenal had been strengthened.
The position everyone knew should be top priority (CB) hasn't even been signed yet and will be WEEKS away from being fully integrated into the squad even if we sign someone tomorrow. Which means we will most likely play our upcoming relegation six pointers with our current options at CB.
The club is run by a part-time amateur who will most likely never be fired because he is the owner's son. Which means that we have a DoF who will never be held accountable for his failures. I mean, how many managers/head coaches are we going to fire before we fire our DoF? In the current situation the anwer to that question is probably 'all of them'. I'd rather have the Michael Jackson statue as DoF.
We had two pre season games and there was a 39 day gap between the Play Off Final and the first game of the season. To expect the club to have a plethora of signings in place to start the first game is unreasonable, bearing in mind the players all went off for a summer holiday and pre season games started about two weeks ago at the earliest. If this was 2018/19 I would give you that argument but to expect a new team ready to go in such a short space of time is a lousy argument. Parker could've used Lemina/Robinson but chose not to so that's kind of on the manager not the transfer team.
For what it's worth, Robinson played in the MK Dons friendly and I believe both him and Lemina played in the game against Southampton
But we're not talking about 'a plethora of signings' here, are we? TK has failed to sign even A SINGLE player in time to strengthen our starting 11 before the start of the season.
As for 2018/19 it was more or less the same story: Signing players far too late to be ready for the start of the season.
Let's hope we've at least gotten more useful players this time.
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on September 13, 2020, 11:33:43 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on September 13, 2020, 10:21:56 PM
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on September 13, 2020, 09:41:15 PM
Quote from: Nero on September 13, 2020, 09:11:31 PM
Christ on a bike moaning about TK and SP sigings before one of them has played a game, Shall we see them play before wrting everyine off
Well that's exactly the problem isn't it? The season has started and we haven't seen any of our new signings play a game yet. Not even a pre-season friendly.
TK has failed to get even a SINGLE new signing ready for the start of the season (except for re-signing Reed on an option and even that one dragged out). Not a SINGLE position in our starting 11 against Arsenal had been strengthened.
The position everyone knew should be top priority (CB) hasn't even been signed yet and will be WEEKS away from being fully integrated into the squad even if we sign someone tomorrow. Which means we will most likely play our upcoming relegation six pointers with our current options at CB.
The club is run by a part-time amateur who will most likely never be fired because he is the owner's son. Which means that we have a DoF who will never be held accountable for his failures. I mean, how many managers/head coaches are we going to fire before we fire our DoF? In the current situation the anwer to that question is probably 'all of them'. I'd rather have the Michael Jackson statue as DoF.
We had two pre season games and there was a 39 day gap between the Play Off Final and the first game of the season. To expect the club to have a plethora of signings in place to start the first game is unreasonable, bearing in mind the players all went off for a summer holiday and pre season games started about two weeks ago at the earliest. If this was 2018/19 I would give you that argument but to expect a new team ready to go in such a short space of time is a lousy argument. Parker could've used Lemina/Robinson but chose not to so that's kind of on the manager not the transfer team.
For what it's worth, Robinson played in the MK Dons friendly and I believe both him and Lemina played in the game against Southampton
But we're not talking about 'a plethora of signings' here, are we? TK has failed to sign even A SINGLE player in time to strengthen our starting 11 before the start of the season.
As for 2018/19 it was more or less the same story: Signing players far too late to be ready for the start of the season.
Let's hope we've at least gotten more useful players this time.
Parker could've used Robinson or Lemina but chose not to because he played the same team that got us up, presumably to make the point to them that the vast majority aren't good enough at this level to start - that's hardly Lemina or Robinson's fault is it, and nor is it TK's as they were signed before we'd even played our first pre season game? Most people can see that on paper, Lemina is better than TC/Reed/Onomah and going forward will replace one of them, and I'd imagine that Robinson will get his fair share of game time this season too as I'd have him at LB with Bryan in front of him at LM/LW
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 10:20:32 PM
Quote from: BarryP on September 13, 2020, 06:51:10 PM
Both nice guys but sp is not experienced enough for the prem and TK needs to understand we need proven prem players and not stats players. Better with three proven prem players at twenty m than ten may turn out to be good. Also let's stop buying players with dodgy knees. Rant over.
So you're ok with doing this again?
Aleksandar Mitrović - Newcastle
Calum Chambers - Arsenal
Alfie Mawson - Swansea City
Andre Schurlle - Chelsea + Bundesliga
Ryan Babel - Liverpool + Bundesliga
Because we all know what a spectacular result these proven Premier League players provided us in 2018/2019.
Bad management decisions mate.
Mitro A1
Chambers.....jury is out but not overly impressed
mawson ..hadnt played for ages and recurring knee problems, would you have bought him?
schurle.......just a NO too old and not consistent
Babel, did ok but could have done so much better with better players around him. But again...too old.
Do you not see a serious lack of man management trying to buy us out of trouble on the cheap?
When we signed Schürrle he was 27 - hardly that 'old' for a winger in the Premier League. Arsenal just signed 32-year old Willian and he certainly didn't look out of place against us. You're right about his inconsistency though.
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Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:46:53 PM
Nothing like motivating your team as a manager by saying, we will lose more games than we win is there?
Agreed. I'm sorry, but from a head coach this is NOT ACCEPTABLE. Don't get me wrong, I like SP. But this sort of thing should never be part of the dialogue. I just don't want to hear this from my head coach. Does not need to be verbalized. Sure, we all know, and I'm sure the players do too, the reality of the situation. Sometimes these guys are their own worst enemies. Just keep it zipped!
A post game interview after a loss is listened to/heard by how many of the actual players do ya think? Or are most of them listening to music with ear buds on the bus, or in their cars on the ride home?
I doubt professional footballers listen to media noise. It's counter productive.
Oh, I think they listen. Especially when that media noise is coming from their own coach. It's counter productive.
Maybe they listen, but I'm pretty sure they don't over analyze each sentence looking for something to complain about. The players listen to Parker every day, so they surely know what he's about. I am very surprised this absolute non issue is still debated, it that's of course my subjective opinion.
+1
Quote from: Nero on September 13, 2020, 09:11:31 PM
Christ on a bike moaning about TK and SP sigings before one of them has played a game, Shall we see them play before wrting everyine off
+1
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 13, 2020, 10:16:24 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 13, 2020, 05:09:08 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 13, 2020, 05:00:43 PM
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:30:39 PM
This is a multi million pound business not asdas checkout. If we want to progress we need more from Khan in terms of players and a top manager if they are serious about owning a top team. They have the money, but a new Riverside stand doesn't cut it in the third division does it. We need quality and we've already had one lesson. How many lessons does it take before it sinks in?
When are you going to understand that FFP limits how much the Khans can spend on players?
But we are nowhere near that limit at the moment
So you agree with me... they're limited on what they can spend. Obviously since they are limited in what they can spend, they have to be very careful on how the spend what money they can. Don't want to just throw it at random people and things.
Yes they're limited... but to what, £100m, £150m this summer? At the end of the day even without FFP, SK would be 'limited' to spending about $6 billion because that's all the money he has, but you wouldn't consider that particularly 'limiting'
In fairness to them, there are not many experianced central defenders that we realistically could have got from the below list
https://www.skysports.com/football/transfer-deals
Maybe Vertonghen or Ampadu...not much else really.
Quote from: Statto on September 14, 2020, 01:57:16 AM
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Quote from: Statto on September 13, 2020, 05:09:08 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 13, 2020, 05:00:43 PM
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:30:39 PM
This is a multi million pound business not asdas checkout. If we want to progress we need more from Khan in terms of players and a top manager if they are serious about owning a top team. They have the money, but a new Riverside stand doesn't cut it in the third division does it. We need quality and we've already had one lesson. How many lessons does it take before it sinks in?
When are you going to understand that FFP limits how much the Khans can spend on players?
But we are nowhere near that limit at the moment
So you agree with me... they're limited on what they can spend. Obviously since they are limited in what they can spend, they have to be very careful on how the spend what money they can. Don't want to just throw it at random people and things.
Yes they're limited... but to what, £100m, £150m this summer? At the end of the day even without FFP, SK would be 'limited' to spending about $6 billion because that's all the money he has, but you wouldn't consider that particularly 'limiting'
Fans spent too much time in 2018/18 criticising Tony Khan. He did well, getting £100m from his inheritance, he invested the money in Bryan, Chambers, Anguissa, Mitrovic and Babel well in 18/19. He has added a bit last year and a bit this summer. If he can now add two centre backs (assuming at least one delivers), we should be well in the relegation battle when winter transfer window opens.
Some unbelievable comments on this thread. Some people just cany wait to have a go. Blingo ,I dont know where to start to be honest.
Two seasons ago Tony Khan couldn't get the players he wanted for a reasonable price, so bought the best available in his view at whatever price it took and fans demanded he learn from his mistakes. Now, the same fans want Tony Khan to spend £15m getting the best centre back he can find even though we know no quality centre back is campaigning to come here, which is exactly what he did last time. They also want him to bring in a centre back with premier league experience, and not worry about statistics. If you want a centre back with premier league experience and terrible stats don't matter, then Tim Ream has the worst stats of any experienced premier league centre back since 2008. I think fan feedback is making everything worse, what we want is Tony Khan to keep buying players each window until the squad is strong enough to stay in premier league.
Quote from: colinwhite on September 14, 2020, 05:47:22 AM
Some unbelievable comments on this thread. Some people just cany wait to have a go. Blingo ,I dont know where to start to be honest.
Bling ...putting the cat amongst the pidgeons.....ohhhhhh hahahahahaha
What I cannot understand is letting Mawson go if a backup was not already over the line. I fully expected an announcement within a day or two after Mawson left.... maybe due to getting international clearance.
I read LVBTs comments and have no doubt that he has info on the transfers before they reach the public domain so I do expect signings but as yet we have no clue if any of them will be central defenders.
The problem we now have after getting tanked by Arsenal, is convincing decent players to come to us. We must make a better showing against Leeds on Saturday.
glad your amused Blingo....Couldnt take your comments seriously so it was water off a ducks back !
I agree we need a Manager with Prem experience such as Ranieri or Jol - that will definitely fix things - in fact one of these has already won the Prem League so how brilliant is that?
Secondly, can we get the prize for the most negative bunch of fans...we can wrestle West Ham and Newcastle for it right from the 1st game week.
What intrigues me greatly is the unevenness of human logic when describing past events. When Mitrovic signed his loan deal early in 2018 via contact with Jokanovic, TK was all over that with is 'but it was me who had to get my Dad to agree to spend the money', which is presumably something that has to happen with every expenditure over a certain amount. If that is the case then can someone explain how that gets to be extrapolated into "TK managed to get £100m of his inheritance to spend...". It either is TK's money or SK's money and I'd suggest the latter is true. But I am more concerned with how you get people to play at FFC rather than anywhere else and how you actually make that happen when the limiting factor in every case would seem to potentially be money and little else. Perhaps the real limiting factor is something else entirely ...
Quote from: toshes mate on September 14, 2020, 08:36:23 AM
What intrigues me greatly is the unevenness of human logic when describing past events. When Mitrovic signed his loan deal early in 2018 via contact with Jokanovic, TK was all over that with is 'but it was me who had to get my Dad to agree to spend the money', which is presumably something that has to happen with every expenditure over a certain amount. If that is the case then can someone explain how that gets to be extrapolated into "TK managed to get £100m of his inheritance to spend...". It either is TK's money or SK's money and I'd suggest the latter is true. But I am more concerned with how you get people to play at FFC rather than anywhere else and how you actually make that happen when the limiting factor in every case would seem to potentially be money and little else. Perhaps the real limiting factor is something else entirely ...
I would have thought that the limiting factor is the ambition of the player. Few players are loyal to their home club if they think they can win something elsewhere. Many players wanting to come into the Premier League will not fancy a struggle against relegation so wont choose those clubs that are in that frame.
This board has gone into full meltdown after the first game... :dft001:
Going up as playoff winners sets you back a couple of weeks compared to the automatic spots. First time round a lot of money was spent (and dont forget a chunk of that went on Mitro).
Last season TK changed to a more successful loan and buy clause which was far more successful. So he's learning fast. SP has been in and around the Premiership most of his playing career and while the job is a different one the target remains the same.
The window hasn't.closed and we're only 3 point and.goal difference from being top of the table.
Quote from: southwest6 on September 14, 2020, 08:54:32 AM
This board has gone into full meltdown after the first game... :dft001:
Just imagine how it is going to be on here when we lose the next three against Leeds, Villa and Wolves...
Quote from: Motspur Park on September 14, 2020, 08:00:03 AM
What I cannot understand is letting Mawson go if a backup was not already over the line.
This is what has confused me. When Mawson's loan was announced I thought 'great, they have a big CB confirmed then and need to balance/offset some wages'. But, alas... Here we are.
Two points -
1/ the new players, brought in in such a short time, mainly haven't been selected because they need to adapt to the team. That's the mistake we made last time we were in the Prem - throwing newcomers in all at once. I do think Parker wants to show faith with the players who won us promotion, but because he knows they are a successful 'team', rather than sentimental reasons, though he think he wants to treat players fairly,but his main concern is the team getting points. He will bring in new players when he thinks they are ready, and can play as part of the team.
2/ I don't think our purchases have been trying to get players on the cheap. We are prepared to offer big money fro the right players, eg Luis, but getting them to come to Fulham is a different matter.
3/The window is still open, and I expect more signings.
Quote from: Deeping_white on September 13, 2020, 11:38:48 PM
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on September 13, 2020, 11:33:43 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on September 13, 2020, 10:21:56 PM
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on September 13, 2020, 09:41:15 PM
Quote from: Nero on September 13, 2020, 09:11:31 PM
Christ on a bike moaning about TK and SP sigings before one of them has played a game, Shall we see them play before wrting everyine off
Well that's exactly the problem isn't it? The season has started and we haven't seen any of our new signings play a game yet. Not even a pre-season friendly.
TK has failed to get even a SINGLE new signing ready for the start of the season (except for re-signing Reed on an option and even that one dragged out). Not a SINGLE position in our starting 11 against Arsenal had been strengthened.
The position everyone knew should be top priority (CB) hasn't even been signed yet and will be WEEKS away from being fully integrated into the squad even if we sign someone tomorrow. Which means we will most likely play our upcoming relegation six pointers with our current options at CB.
The club is run by a part-time amateur who will most likely never be fired because he is the owner's son. Which means that we have a DoF who will never be held accountable for his failures. I mean, how many managers/head coaches are we going to fire before we fire our DoF? In the current situation the anwer to that question is probably 'all of them'. I'd rather have the Michael Jackson statue as DoF.
We had two pre season games and there was a 39 day gap between the Play Off Final and the first game of the season. To expect the club to have a plethora of signings in place to start the first game is unreasonable, bearing in mind the players all went off for a summer holiday and pre season games started about two weeks ago at the earliest. If this was 2018/19 I would give you that argument but to expect a new team ready to go in such a short space of time is a lousy argument. Parker could've used Lemina/Robinson but chose not to so that's kind of on the manager not the transfer team.
For what it's worth, Robinson played in the MK Dons friendly and I believe both him and Lemina played in the game against Southampton
But we're not talking about 'a plethora of signings' here, are we? TK has failed to sign even A SINGLE player in time to strengthen our starting 11 before the start of the season.
As for 2018/19 it was more or less the same story: Signing players far too late to be ready for the start of the season.
Let's hope we've at least gotten more useful players this time.
Parker could've used Robinson or Lemina but chose not to because he played the same team that got us up, presumably to make the point to them that the vast majority aren't good enough at this level to start - that's hardly Lemina or Robinson's fault is it, and nor is it TK's as they were signed before we'd even played our first pre season game? Most people can see that on paper, Lemina is better than TC/Reed/Onomah and going forward will replace one of them, and I'd imagine that Robinson will get his fair share of game time this season too as I'd have him at LB with Bryan in front of him at LM/LW
I'm pretty certain that Parker didn't play the same players v Arsenal who got us up, to make a point to them that they weren't good enough for this league, but because the new players haven't had enough time to adapt to the team, and be properly assessed. The mistake we made last time we were in the Prem.
Every point is crucial, so I'm sure Parker wil play what he sees as the best team for every game, leaving aside cup comps, where i expect him to experiment.
Quote from: RaySmith on September 14, 2020, 09:17:41 AM
Two points -
1/ the new players, brought in in such a short time, mainly haven't been selected because they need to adapt to the team. That's the mistake we made last time we were in the Prem - throwing newcomers in all at once. I do think Parker wants to show faith with the players who won us promotion, but because he knows they are a successful 'team', rather than sentimental reasons, though he think he wants to treat players fairly,but his main concern is the team getting points. He will bring in new players when he thinks they are ready, and can play as part of the team.
2/ I don't think our purchases have been trying to get players on the cheap. We are prepared to offer big money fro the right players, eg Luis, but getting them to come to Fulham is a different matter.
3/The window is still open, and I expect more signings.
I agree with most of this. The problem for me though is that quite a few of the promotion winning team are going to struggle in the Premier League just like they did last time so the sooner the new players can be slotted in the more chance we have of picking up points. Personally think the squad needed more of an overhaul than the club have alluded to if we want to stay up.
It can't be easy persuading the right players to come to Fulham, particularly considering our recent history in the division. I am however confident that the recruitment team are doing their best to fill the obvious gaps in the squad. Hopefully see some quality signings soon.
I think many of the new players - those considered better than what we've got in certain positions, will be brought in as quickly as possible - we haven't got time for leisurely appraisals , every game is urgent.
And i didn't mean to say that the existing team should be kept together as long as possible. Thee's no room for sentiment.
It's just that Parker has to be certain that any player he brings in is up to the job, indeed can do a better job, and can fulfil a role in t team.
Look at last time we wee in the Prem- the likes of seri, etc, might have been big money buys, and good on paper from playing in other leagues, but slava threw them in from day one, and they just weren't good enough at all.
But this is parker's dilemma. But at least he now has options in a lot of positions, with hopefully more to come.
Quote from: KingofCheese on September 14, 2020, 08:52:08 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on September 14, 2020, 08:36:23 AM
What intrigues me greatly is the unevenness of human logic when describing past events. When Mitrovic signed his loan deal early in 2018 via contact with Jokanovic, TK was all over that with is 'but it was me who had to get my Dad to agree to spend the money', which is presumably something that has to happen with every expenditure over a certain amount. If that is the case then can someone explain how that gets to be extrapolated into "TK managed to get £100m of his inheritance to spend...". It either is TK's money or SK's money and I'd suggest the latter is true. But I am more concerned with how you get people to play at FFC rather than anywhere else and how you actually make that happen when the limiting factor in every case would seem to potentially be money and little else. Perhaps the real limiting factor is something else entirely ...
I would have thought that the limiting factor is the ambition of the player. Few players are loyal to their home club if they think they can win something elsewhere. Many players wanting to come into the Premier League will not fancy a struggle against relegation so wont choose those clubs that are in that frame.
Well my lighter self would have agreed with you except there are limited numbers of opportunities for players getting game time with successful clubs.
Most clubs will have potential which is more attractive to go getters. Being at habitually successful clubs as bit players may be attractive to lazier types but not to serious career minded players who want (as Ryan Sessesgnon once said) 'to just be a better player'. My heavier self says this is about the style of approach to potential purchase and to the problem of how you move a horse to water and get it to drink. It is about psychology and having a horse that understands and trusts you. I don't trust TK and if my love affair with FFC hadn't begun decades ago I certainly don't believe the Khans would have been on my must meet list, although SK would have been a more interesting prospect than TK, and is also much closer to the style of MAF, whose madness I did admire to some degree but not to the extent of sacking a certain Mr Adams. It sticks in my throat that TK's goto showmanship is his wrestling franchise and all that means i.e. a circus.
Quote from: toshes mate on September 14, 2020, 10:00:19 AM
Quote from: KingofCheese on September 14, 2020, 08:52:08 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on September 14, 2020, 08:36:23 AM
What intrigues me greatly is the unevenness of human logic when describing past events. When Mitrovic signed his loan deal early in 2018 via contact with Jokanovic, TK was all over that with is 'but it was me who had to get my Dad to agree to spend the money', which is presumably something that has to happen with every expenditure over a certain amount. If that is the case then can someone explain how that gets to be extrapolated into "TK managed to get £100m of his inheritance to spend...". It either is TK's money or SK's money and I'd suggest the latter is true. But I am more concerned with how you get people to play at FFC rather than anywhere else and how you actually make that happen when the limiting factor in every case would seem to potentially be money and little else. Perhaps the real limiting factor is something else entirely ...
I would have thought that the limiting factor is the ambition of the player. Few players are loyal to their home club if they think they can win something elsewhere. Many players wanting to come into the Premier League will not fancy a struggle against relegation so wont choose those clubs that are in that frame.
Well my lighter self would have agreed with you except there are limited numbers of opportunities for players getting game time with successful clubs.
Most clubs will have potential which is more attractive to go getters. Being at habitually successful clubs as bit players may be attractive to lazier types but not to serious career minded players who want (as Ryan Sessesgnon once said) 'to just be a better player'. My heavier self says this is about the style of approach to potential purchase and to the problem of how you move a horse to water and get it to drink. It is about psychology and having a horse that understands and trusts you. I don't trust TK and if my love affair with FFC hadn't begun decades ago I certainly don't believe the Khans would have been on my must meet list, although SK would have been a more interesting prospect than TK, and is also much closer to the style of MAF, whose madness I did admire to some degree but not to the extent of sacking a certain Mr Adams. It sticks in my throat that TK's goto showmanship is his wrestling franchise and all that means i.e. a circus.
"I don't trust TK and if my love affair with FFC hadn't begun decades ago I certainly don't believe the Khans would have been on my must meet list," Lets see their record. Bought the club, Invested in the club, Invested in players for the club, Invested in the Ground, kept faith even when we went down twice. Just have a look at Charlton and loads of other clubs who have been robbed and ruined. I am so happy that we have owners that want us to do well. However, if you have a better owner lined up please feel free to let us know.
Sure we had all this last time.......
He got us up first time of asking.
Not sure what else he can do.
It was arsenal, who will finish in the top 4 this season.
Not sure what else he can do.
First game of the season.
Not sure what else he can do.
Same argument is so boring.
Quote from: KingofCheese on September 14, 2020, 10:56:09 AM
Lets see their record. Bought the club, Invested in the club, Invested in players for the club, Invested in the Ground, kept faith even when we went down twice. Just have a look at Charlton and loads of other clubs who have been robbed and ruined. I am so happy that we have owners that want us to do well. However, if you have a better owner lined up please feel free to let us know.
Yes, K-O-C, your priorities are writ large all over your output, but I prefer the subtleties in life that really tell you something about the person you are conversing with/speaking to without artifice.
It's a no win situation for Khan/Parker whatever happens really.
1) Parker doesn't play any new signings = Khan's fault as they're not good enough to strengthen the team
2) Parker puts in a few good signings and we lose to in form Arsenal= Parker's fault "didn't he learn from our last promotion season" or even Khan's fault as many will believe Khan tells Parker what team to pick (honestly, there are a number of people who actually think this).
3) We buy a very, very highly regarded GK and it's put Marek's nose out of joint= Khan's fault. Unless of course he goes on to be exceptional.
4) We get relegated= Parker's fault showed up as a hoax of a manager (not my belief at all) or Khan's fault " he didn't invest in the team"
5) We stay up= no one's fault. There'll still be some on here saying if we'd bought x,y or z we'd have finished 3 points higher etc etc
It's all blame, blame, blame.
I was shocked by the barrage of abuse for our performance at the weekend, especially for Ream who bar one fluffed clearance, had a very good game.
It was much easier supporting a club pre-social media.
Quote from: Jim© on September 14, 2020, 11:21:40 AM
It's a no win situation for Khan/Parker whatever happens really.
1) Parker doesn't play any new signings = Khan's fault as they're not good enough to strengthen the team
2) Parker puts in a few good signings and we lose to in form Arsenal= Parker's fault "didn't he learn from our last promotion season" or even Khan's fault as many will believe Khan tells Parker what team to pick (honestly, there are a number of people who actually think this).
3) We buy a very, very highly regarded GK and it's put Marek's nose out of joint= Khan's fault. Unless of course he goes on to be exceptional.
4) We get relegated= Parker's fault showed up as a hoax of a manager (not my belief at all) or Khan's fault " he didn't invest in the team"
5) We stay up= no one's fault. There'll still be some on here saying if we'd bought x,y or z we'd have finished 3 points higher etc etc
It's all blame, blame, blame.
I was shocked by the barrage of abuse for our performance at the weekend, especially for Ream who bar one fluffed clearance, had a very good game.
It was much easier supporting a club pre-social media.
Good job TK hasn't hired you as his PR person, isn't it, seeing as the 'new era' announced by TK and endorsed by SP was to overcome all previous and obvious ill health in the recruitment arena? And wasn't a certain Craig whose boss was a certain Tony accused by Jokanovic of trying to be a part of team selection ... I rest my case ... since one of the pair still, by his own admission, challenges his coach's decision making ...
I'm not reading 'too' much in to Saturday. Did anyone really expect us to beat the countries' form side with, effectively, our 2nd string lineup? We all know Ream, Odoi, Kebano, AK... are not good enough to start regularly at this level.
In my opinion, Areola, Tete, Anguissa and Mitro will be nailed starters when fit. Lemina and Aina were also missing, and I fully expect us to strengthen at CB (!) and up front. My only gripe would be if we leave our business too late.
TK seems to have learnt sweet FA,how we didn't make 2CHs as first signings to replace a great servant Tim ream,also it maybe hector is not top level as he was missing in action sat for the second goal.CH is a position that should have been sorted when last season finished and SP is as guilty as TK!
Quote from: toshes mate on September 14, 2020, 11:35:49 AM
... a certain Craig whose boss was a certain Tony accused by Jokanovic of trying to be a part of team selection ... I rest my case ... since one of the pair still, by his own admission, challenges his coach's decision making ...
If you rest your case based on the ramblings of CK that's your choice. The bloke is, in my opinion, a few sandwiches shy of a picnic.
Who challenges their coach's decision making?
Quote from: colinwhite on September 14, 2020, 05:47:22 AM
Some unbelievable comments on this thread. Some people just cany wait to have a go. Blingo ,I dont know where to start to be honest.
Brilliant. Couldn't have said it better. Some views are just so far out there it's not worth the effort to riposte
Quote from: Jim© on September 14, 2020, 11:51:29 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on September 14, 2020, 11:35:49 AM
... a certain Craig whose boss was a certain Tony accused by Jokanovic of trying to be a part of team selection ... I rest my case ... since one of the pair still, by his own admission, challenges his coach's decision making ...
If you rest your case based on the ramblings of CK that's your choice. The bloke is, in my opinion, a few sandwiches shy of a picnic.
Who challenges their coach's decision making?
If you do not know then read the sentence again (the answer can only be one person) and by his own public admission which you can research if you do not know already.
Quote from: toshes mate on September 14, 2020, 12:19:37 PM
Quote from: Jim© on September 14, 2020, 11:51:29 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on September 14, 2020, 11:35:49 AM
... a certain Craig whose boss was a certain Tony accused by Jokanovic of trying to be a part of team selection ... I rest my case ... since one of the pair still, by his own admission, challenges his coach's decision making ...
If you rest your case based on the ramblings of CK that's your choice. The bloke is, in my opinion, a few sandwiches shy of a picnic.
Who challenges their coach's decision making?
If you do not know then read the sentence again (the answer can only be one person) and by his own public admission which you can research if you do not know already.
I did reread it, and it's not clear hence I'd still like you to clarify it if possible. I believe you're taking a throwaway comment by Khan (re his chats with Parker) and making it out to be something entirely different. If it has anything to do with CK i'm not interested as the man is half-crazed.
Quote from: Jim© on September 14, 2020, 12:25:29 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on September 14, 2020, 12:19:37 PM
Quote from: Jim© on September 14, 2020, 11:51:29 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on September 14, 2020, 11:35:49 AM
... a certain Craig whose boss was a certain Tony accused by Jokanovic of trying to be a part of team selection ... I rest my case ... since one of the pair still, by his own admission, challenges his coach's decision making ...
If you rest your case based on the ramblings of CK that's your choice. The bloke is, in my opinion, a few sandwiches shy of a picnic.
Who challenges their coach's decision making?
If you do not know then read the sentence again (the answer can only be one person) and by his own public admission which you can research if you do not know already.
I did reread it, and it's not clear hence I'd still like you to clarify it if possible. I believe you're taking a throwaway comment by Khan (re his chats with Parker) and making it out to be something entirely different. If it has anything to do with CK i'm not interested as the man is half-crazed.
There is nothing worse than a closed mind IMO but if it makes you happy then so be it.
TK admitted he challenged Jokanovic's team selections, and also Parker's on video as an attempt to say how close he kept relations with his co-workers and subordinates.
I am glad you were present at all of this to reassure yourself that is was all just banter and not the work of another unbalanced personalty.
And I still rest my case.
Quote from: hovewhite on September 14, 2020, 11:49:20 AM
TK seems to have learnt sweet FA,how we didn't make 2CHs as first signings to replace a great servant Tim ream,also it maybe hector is not top level as he was missing in action sat for the second goal.CH is a position that should have been sorted when last season finished and SP is as guilty as TK!
Why is it so important that our first signings were centre backs? It's not as if they can only work on one deal at a time, and just because other signings are closed earlier it doesn't have to have any effect whatsoever on the potential acquisiton of central defenders.
Quote from: toshes mate on September 14, 2020, 12:32:18 PM
Quote from: Jim© on September 14, 2020, 12:25:29 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on September 14, 2020, 12:19:37 PM
Quote from: Jim© on September 14, 2020, 11:51:29 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on September 14, 2020, 11:35:49 AM
... a certain Craig whose boss was a certain Tony accused by Jokanovic of trying to be a part of team selection ... I rest my case ... since one of the pair still, by his own admission, challenges his coach's decision making ...
If you rest your case based on the ramblings of CK that's your choice. The bloke is, in my opinion, a few sandwiches shy of a picnic.
Who challenges their coach's decision making?
If you do not know then read the sentence again (the answer can only be one person) and by his own public admission which you can research if you do not know already.
I did reread it, and it's not clear hence I'd still like you to clarify it if possible. I believe you're taking a throwaway comment by Khan (re his chats with Parker) and making it out to be something entirely different. If it has anything to do with CK i'm not interested as the man is half-crazed.
There is nothing worse than a closed mind IMO but if it makes you happy then so be it.
TK admitted he challenged Jokanovic's team selections, and also Parker's on video as an attempt to say how close he kept relations with his co-workers and subordinates.
I am glad you were present at all of this to reassure yourself that is was all just banter and not the work of another unbalanced personalty.
And I still rest my case.
Can I ask why so patronising?
I have a closed mind on CK as he claimed that there was systemic racism within the club as we decided not to pursue one of his mixed race stat "finds". I'll keep it closed on him as I doubt I'll miss any pearls of wisdom.
So by CK trying to influence team selection (more specifically he didn't want Djalo, Madl , Mollo moved to U23s if I remember correctly), that suddenly becomes you resting your case on someone challenging the coach on selection (which requires more clarification)?
Quote from: RufusBrevettatemyhamster on September 14, 2020, 11:11:31 AM
Sure we had all this last time.......
He got us up first time of asking.
Not sure what else he can do.
It was arsenal, who will finish in the top 4 this season.
Not sure what else he can do.
First game of the season.
Not sure what else he can do.
Same argument is so boring.
Yeah but what can you do?
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 10:20:32 PM
Quote from: BarryP on September 13, 2020, 06:51:10 PM
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:13:04 PM
Bad management decisions mate.
Babel, did ok but could have done so much better with better players around him. But again...too old.
Ha, Babel too old? He had more giddyup than 95% of FFC......
Quote from: Jim© on September 14, 2020, 11:21:40 AM
It's a no win situation for Khan/Parker whatever happens really.
1) Parker doesn't play any new signings = Khan's fault as they're not good enough to strengthen the team
2) Parker puts in a few good signings and we lose to in form Arsenal= Parker's fault "didn't he learn from our last promotion season" or even Khan's fault as many will believe Khan tells Parker what team to pick (honestly, there are a number of people who actually think this).
3) We buy a very, very highly regarded GK and it's put Marek's nose out of joint= Khan's fault. Unless of course he goes on to be exceptional.
4) We get relegated= Parker's fault showed up as a hoax of a manager (not my belief at all) or Khan's fault " he didn't invest in the team"
5) We stay up= no one's fault. There'll still be some on here saying if we'd bought x,y or z we'd have finished 3 points higher etc etc
It's all blame, blame, blame.
I was shocked by the barrage of abuse for our performance at the weekend, especially for Ream who bar one fluffed clearance, had a very good game.
It was much easier supporting a club pre-social media.
Too many big babies... couldn't agree more.
Problem is he's a good championship player but not good enough for the premiership
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 13, 2020, 04:47:13 PM
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:33:31 PM
And we should have gone up as champions not through the play offs with the best squad in the championship. SP was lucky in the championship. He won't cut it at this level.
I am sorry this is the positive Blingo who does nothing but be positive? So now your theory is get rid of the coach and the system that won two promotions. This after one match in the Prem against a team who finished well and probably are in the top three in the division.
Remind me not to be as positive as you.
Keep watching and you will see im not wrong
Fulham are very lucky to have the Khans. Yes it comes with frustrations. It's not perfect. But I do think we need to keep an eye on the bigger picture. If they stopped putting money in I think we might find it difficult to find a buyer anywhere near their financial muscle. For a club like ours that would prob mean another decline.
Quote from: RoyTund on September 21, 2020, 12:06:16 AM
Fulham are very lucky to have the Khans. Yes it comes with frustrations. It's not perfect. But I do think we need to keep an eye on the bigger picture. If they stopped putting money in I think we might find it difficult to find a buyer anywhere near their financial muscle. For a club like ours that would prob mean another decline.
Fulham got promoted through the Championship Playoff of 2018, and two years later we are still in the premier league, out of the 14 teams that have been promoted though the playoffs only 5 teams were in the premier league two years later.
Five Teams that were promoted through the championship playoffs and were in the premier league two seasons later include: West Ham 05/06, West Ham 12/13, Swansea 11/12, Crystal Palace 13/14 and Fulham 17/18.
Nine Teams that were promoted through the championship playoffs and weren't in the premier league two seasons later include: Watford 2006, Derby 07, Hull 08, Burnley 09, Blackpool 10, QPR 14, Norwich 15, Hull 16 and Huddersfield 17.
So apart from West Ham, out of the eleven teams promoted though the playoffs two years later, two have done better than Fulham 17/18 and nine have done worse than Fulham 17/18. Some fans have a strange defination of success vs failure.
If the Fulham DOF is viewed as underperforming coming "third out of twelve", then I suspect anything less than a MAF Miracle wouldn't satisfy the fans, and such a miracle would cost 4-6x more these days to do (i.e. £1.0B-£1.5B). Unless, someone knows a Fulham Fan with a richer daddy than Tony Khan, we cannot repeat the MAF Miracle.
The Khans have stated that the club must be self funding, so apart from the riverside stand, where's the massive cash injection?
Quote from: blingo on September 21, 2020, 03:47:21 AM
The Khans have stated that the club must be self funding, so apart from the riverside stand, where's the massive cash injection?
I can't believe you've asked that question. I'm sure a 'business plan' is under way, under the Directorship of KJ to produce 'Thames Pride', a sparkling fizzy mineral water. £50 a bottle, it's been done before.
https://www.thesun.ie/video/tvandshowbiz/bottling-peckham-springs-water-in-classic-only-fools-and-horses-clip/
Quote from: rebel on September 21, 2020, 07:07:13 AM
Quote from: blingo on September 21, 2020, 03:47:21 AM
The Khans have stated that the club must be self funding, so apart from the riverside stand, where's the massive cash injection?
I can't believe you've asked that question. I'm sure a 'business plan' is under way, under the Directorship of KJ to produce 'Thames Pride', a sparkling fizzy mineral water. £50 a bottle, it's been done before.
https://www.thesun.ie/video/tvandshowbiz/bottling-peckham-springs-water-in-classic-only-fools-and-horses-clip/
hahahahahahahahaha
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 21, 2020, 02:27:42 AM
Quote from: RoyTund on September 21, 2020, 12:06:16 AM
Fulham are very lucky to have the Khans. Yes it comes with frustrations. It's not perfect. But I do think we need to keep an eye on the bigger picture. If they stopped putting money in I think we might find it difficult to find a buyer anywhere near their financial muscle. For a club like ours that would prob mean another decline.
Fulham got promoted through the Championship Playoff of 2018, and two years later we are still in the premier league, out of the 14 teams that have been promoted though the playoffs only 5 teams were in the premier league two years later.
Five Teams that were promoted through the championship playoffs and were in the premier league two seasons later include: West Ham 05/06, West Ham 12/13, Swansea 11/12, Crystal Palace 13/14 and Fulham 17/18.
Nine Teams that were promoted through the championship playoffs and weren't in the premier league two seasons later include: Watford 2006, Derby 07, Hull 08, Burnley 09, Blackpool 10, QPR 14, Norwich 15, Hull 16 and Huddersfield 17.
So apart from West Ham, out of the eleven teams promoted though the playoffs two years later, two have done better than Fulham 17/18 and nine have done worse than Fulham 17/18. Some fans have a strange defination of success vs failure.
If the Fulham DOF is viewed as underperforming coming "third out of twelve", then I suspect anything less than a MAF Miracle wouldn't satisfy the fans, and such a miracle would cost 4-6x more these days to do (i.e. £1.0B-£1.5B). Unless, someone knows a Fulham Fan with a richer daddy than Tony Khan, we cannot repeat the MAF Miracle.
Very selective and disingenuous use of stats there.
9 out 15 clubs promoted in the last five seasons stayed up. Going straight back down in 18/19 put us in a poorly-performing minority. Spending £100m and still going straight back down put us in an even smaller minority, which we occupy alone. 18/19 was a f***-up and any stats purporting to show otherwise are grossly misleading.
As for the MAF miracle, that turned us from a poor League Two club into a top 10 PL team. We don't need that now. We're already in the PL and just need to stay there. That shouldn't cost £1.5 billion. The £100m TV money alone should be enough to keep us up, if spent intelligently.
Guess i wasnt too far out eh?
Quote from: blingo on September 20, 2020, 08:10:30 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 13, 2020, 04:47:13 PM
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:33:31 PM
And we should have gone up as champions not through the play offs with the best squad in the championship. SP was lucky in the championship. He won't cut it at this level.
What do you say after three matches Light head?
I am sorry this is the positive Blingo who does nothing but be positive? So now your theory is get rid of the coach and the system that won two promotions. This after one match in the Prem against a team who finished well and probably are in the top three in the division.
Remind me not to be as positive as you.
Keep watching and you will see im not wrong
Still watching Lighthouse?
I've said for several years now that I've dreaded the day all our pre-TK players are gone and our squad is 100% TK-players. We're not QUITE there yet but I think I've seen enough.
Shahid Khan, PLEASE step in and remove your son before he completely ruins this club.
As for Parker... No I don't think he's experienced enough to get us out of this mess but he hasn't exactly been dealt a very good hand here, has he? A new manager at this point will only last a couple of months before he ends up as yet another scapegoat to cover up TKs failures. No manager worth having would want the job now anyway. Absolute shambles!!! :031:
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on October 01, 2020, 07:44:19 PM
I've said for several years now that I've dreaded the day all our pre-TK players are gone and our squad is 100% TK-players. We're not QUITE there yet but I think I've seen enough.
Shahid Khan, PLEASE step in and remove your son before he completely ruins this club.
As for Parker... No I don't think he's experienced enough to get us out of this mess but he hasn't exactly been dealt a very good hand here, has he? A new manager at this point will only last a couple of months before he ends up as yet another scapegoat to cover up TKs failures. No manager worth having would want the job now anyway. Absolute shambles!!! :031:
He has 2 promotions under his belt and will blame the manager for relegation.
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Short rant incoming, sorry. But Fulham are getting me down so best to let it out. This seemed the most suitable place
Lets see what happens next few days, but what I find most frustrating (much more than the individual errors) was all the talk from SP and TK was about how we had learnt lessons from the 18/19 season. If this is the case why have we brought in players with no or limited PL experience? A lot of the CBs we're linked with now also seem to be from Italy and France. Personally I would rather have the likes of Dawson, Bennet, Chambers etc that have been linked than someone who may speak limited English and have no connections to London, no PL experience and would take time to settle before we even found out if they were good enough.
If we had learnt lessons 90% of our singings would be from the Championship and PL. There are lots of decent players available, but they may not have good stats on paper which is why they are being overlooked. This is why it's clear no lessons have been learnt, the stats model doesn't show attitude and experience which is what we lacked last time and now do again. Last 2 years Sheff Utd's team on paper has been top half championship level at best, but they've done what they have because they play as a team, they all know their roles and they fight and work for each other every game. Much is made of our defence but remove coaching and as individual players O'Connell, Basham and Egan are no better than Ream, Hector, Mawson.
TK's recruitment style is poor, and add in a poor manager and that's why right now we have no hope. I do think there are coaches out there who could get our squad playing more to our strengths and in with a chance of staying up, but they would have to be able to motivate the players, create a team spirit and be tactically astute. Unfortunately our current manager has none of those traits.
I don't mind if we get relegated, but I want to see our team fight and give their all to avoid it and then at least we can feel proud of our team and club. Knockaert, Cav, Kebano, Cairney, Onomah, Kamara, Hector, Seri are all coasting without putting anywhere near enough effort in, or the right attitude in my opinion. A few look a little heavy and unfit also. Most throw a little strop each time they misplace a pass and then don't bother trying to win it back or even getting back in position at all. This is the individual player's fault, but SP should be ripping them apart for doing it too because its unforgivable. In my opinion Seri and Knockaert should not play for the club again, get them sold for a loss or else training with the kids and away from the team. The negative impact of their attitude far outweighs any positive they bring. I can only assume we were contractually obliged to buy Knockaert otherwise TK is worse than even his biggest detractors say.
Mitro, Rodak, Odoi, Ream and Bryan the only ones who look like they really care at the moment and unfortunately for Ream and Odoi they are let down by their own technical shortcomings and being exposed by the style/tactics of the team. I don't blame them though because they are giving their all which is all we can ask.
I think Scott will be gone if we get humiliated by Wolves and I just hope when we're looking at replacements the focus is on how he will improve the attitude of the players. It's more important than whatever style of football he wants to play. If I'm honest I won't miss Scott looking sad in his cardigan, with his hands in his pockets, one bit. If his team talks are like his pre/post match interviews then its no surprise the team plays like they're depressed and miserable. We need passion and aggression if we are to stay up and I am 100% sure that we have the time and will have a good enough squad to turn it around. I don't feel like we can leave it until November when we are 9 points behind 17th though.
Fair points made.
@Sherlock
A wicked post if I may say so. However, I do so dread the next management appointment that has a Khan anywhere near it.
Quote from: blingo on October 01, 2020, 07:29:00 PM
Still watching Lighthouse?
Watching for a proper suggestion other then sack everybody, bring in a new team and we were lucky last year. That isn't clever nor inciteful. Nor is it so called optimism. I prefer my fearing the worst and when it happens not deciding to throw everything out. We are terrible at the moment but sacking the coach and then the team is just not going to happen and not very constructive.
Watching a typical Fulham fan, full of optimism about how great things will be then crying when old Lighthouse pessimism proves the right tactic in the end. Expect nothing, so when it happens we don't have all this crying and wailing.
Where have I said replace the whole team? Management is the problem is it not? My optimism never wnes for my club but it hurts to see the way its going right now. Thats not trying to be neither clever, nor inciteful.
Do you see me crying? hahhahahaha me thinks one of your bulbs needs changing. Pessimism? you've turned into a glass half full type of guy.
ps. Good to be back to normal Light head. hahahahahahaha.
Well picking up on quality CHs that supposedly turned us down it seems to me he struggled to get the 2 CBs over the line and were the last 2cards in the deck so jury is out on TK and I'm not keen on father and son as it is!
Well, TK has now provided us with a new team for which we should be grateful. Presure now on Parker to produce team performances and get points on the board, 40 points from 34 games is the target.
Achieve that target and TK and Parker will surely be accepted by all of us.
Quote from: filham on October 09, 2020, 12:59:11 PM
Well, TK has now provided us with a new team for which we should be grateful. Presure now on Parker to produce team performances and get points on the board, 40 points from 34 games is the target.
Achieve that target and TK and Parker will surely be accepted by all of us.
Has he?
Quote from: Dr Quinzel on October 09, 2020, 01:20:03 PM
Quote from: filham on October 09, 2020, 12:59:11 PM
Well, TK has now provided us with a new team for which we should be grateful. Presure now on Parker to produce team performances and get points on the board, 40 points from 34 games is the target.
Achieve that target and TK and Parker will surely be accepted by all of us.
Has he?
Sky Sports has us down as 11 (Theyve included Kock and Harrison Reed) in and 3 out. Now you may feel some of those players aren't the right ones Filham is right, it's a team.
Quote from: Dr Quinzel on October 09, 2020, 01:20:03 PM
Quote from: filham on October 09, 2020, 12:59:11 PM
Well, TK has now provided us with a new team for which we should be grateful. Presure now on Parker to produce team performances and get points on the board, 40 points from 34 games is the target.
Achieve that target and TK and Parker will surely be accepted by all of us.
Has he?
Very nearly
Areola
Tete Andersen Adarabioyo Robinson
Lemina Reed
Lookman RLC Aina
Quote from: Jim© on October 09, 2020, 03:43:38 PM
Quote from: Dr Quinzel on October 09, 2020, 01:20:03 PM
Quote from: filham on October 09, 2020, 12:59:11 PM
Well, TK has now provided us with a new team for which we should be grateful. Presure now on Parker to produce team performances and get points on the board, 40 points from 34 games is the target.
Achieve that target and TK and Parker will surely be accepted by all of us.
Has he?
Very nearly
Areola
Tete Andersen Adarabioyo Robinson
Lemina Reed
Lookman RLC Aina
I was querying the 'should be grateful' part, rather than the 'new team' part :005: :005: :005:
Still think Im wrong Lighthouse?????
Quote from: blingo on October 25, 2020, 06:20:38 PM
Still think Im wrong Lighthouse?????
Wrongness seeps out of every statement you make. Opposite the word wrong in the dictionary is a picture of blingo. If you were any more wrong the wrongness police would spot a double negative and imprison you on the grounds of two wrongs don't make blingo right. Just because we are losing doesn't mean you are right. Changing coach,owners,toilet roll suppliers or tea brand doesn't mean we will suddenly become winners. That is true today as it was when you announced your wrong statement.
Quote from: Lighthouse on October 25, 2020, 06:51:07 PM
Quote from: blingo on October 25, 2020, 06:20:38 PM
Still think Im wrong Lighthouse?????
Wrongness seeps out of every statement you make. Opposite the word wrong in the dictionary is a picture of blingo. If you were any more wrong the wrongness police would spot a double negative and imprison you on the grounds of two wrongs don't make blingo right. Just because we are losing doesn't mean you are right. Changing coach,owners,toilet roll suppliers or tea brand doesn't mean we will suddenly become winners. That is true today as it was when you announced your wrong statement.
You can't see the wood for the trees hahahahhaha.
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:46:53 PM
Nothing like motivating your team as a manager by saying, we will lose more games than we win is there?
Giving the team a license to lose before a ball was even kicked
Quote from: filham on October 09, 2020, 12:59:11 PM
Well, TK has now provided us with a new team for which we should be grateful. Presure now on Parker to produce team performances and get points on the board, 40 points from 34 games is the target.
Achieve that target and TK and Parker will surely be accepted by all of us.
I feel I have to say that the owners son has far from provided us with a new team, still pieces from the jigsaw that are missing and some other pieces are doubled up, and there are plenty of doubts about his ability to negotiate, when he can be bothered that is, and his social skills, fall short of the requirements to convince a number of players that he has any empathy or qualifications regarding associating football, far too much brashness, which all signify that he could not sell a life belt to a drowning man, but I expect you already knew that anyway.
Is it worth considering that it is not necessarily TK's fault we did not acquire a striker, is it worth considering that SP told him to concentrate on getting defenders in, maybe SP thinks that Mitro BDR, Kamara and maybe couple of youngsters will do.
Just a thought to ponder.
Hey Lighthouse, Two wrongs don't make a right.........when i was at school two minuses made a plus hahahahahaha. Come on admit it, you know Blingo is right.
I started this in September. It's as relevant today as it was then.
Quote from: alfie on October 26, 2020, 11:02:45 AM
Is it worth considering that it is not necessarily TK's fault we did not acquire a striker, is it worth considering that SP told him to concentrate on getting defenders in, maybe SP thinks that Mitro BDR, Kamara and maybe couple of youngsters will do.
Just a thought to ponder.
I have always believed that in the system we were playing at the time, the management believed that Mitro up top was enough as he rarely missed games and defence was the priority. The system we play now has evolved I do not think the change of system was planned.
Says it all for me when Kebano's move to Middlesborough takes centre stage to the little square top left saying we have maja on loan on the news page of the offal.
We are gone unless someone up there smiles down on us
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on September 13, 2020, 04:23:57 PM
Ah yes, and I'm sure you were experienced and knew what you were doing for every hobby or professional career you held or currently hold from day one. No career should ever progress, because no one can ever progress, develop, or evolve. Scott had one season in charge in the league below this one, and he got us out of it on the first ask. It's reasonable to let him learn his trade in the league above and give him time. There will be growing pains, but that's with any leader moving to the next higher management position in any industry.
If every "boss" I ever had or any managerial position I ever held was let go because they couldn't perform or adapt immediately to the expected standard on week one - we'd have no one, and future leaders wouldn't be able to grow because they're always "too inexperienced" Or simply "not good enough"
I have no comment on TK - but as far as ur gaffer goes - to write him off already is folly.
I've said all along we need to give Parker time and patience, but they have both now run out. He isn't good enough. He doesn't have the technical nous. And we don't have the players good enough for his formations.
Quote from: RufusBrevettatemyhamster on April 04, 2021, 06:56:52 PM
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on September 13, 2020, 04:23:57 PM
Ah yes, and I'm sure you were experienced and knew what you were doing for every hobby or professional career you held or currently hold from day one. No career should ever progress, because no one can ever progress, develop, or evolve. Scott had one season in charge in the league below this one, and he got us out of it on the first ask. It's reasonable to let him learn his trade in the league above and give him time. There will be growing pains, but that's with any leader moving to the next higher management position in any industry.
If every "boss" I ever had or any managerial position I ever held was let go because they couldn't perform or adapt immediately to the expected standard on week one - we'd have no one, and future leaders wouldn't be able to grow because they're always "too inexperienced" Or simply "not good enough"
I have no comment on TK - but as far as ur gaffer goes - to write him off already is folly.
I've said all along we need to give Parker time and patience, but they have both now run out. He isn't good enough. He doesn't have the technical nous. And we don't have the players good enough for his formations.
Inviting pressure when 1 up against half decent teams causes mistakes. Go for the jugular. At least you might grab a second rather than slump to a pathetic loss.
Exactly right
Quote from: blingo on September 13, 2020, 04:13:04 PM
Both nice guys but sp is not experienced enough for the prem and TK needs to understand we need proven prem players and not stats players. Better with three proven prem players at twenty m than ten may turn out to be good. Also let's stop buying players with dodgy knees. Rant over.
What Prem proven players are you talking about?
I posted that back in September Mr Lyle.
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on September 13, 2020, 04:23:57 PM
Ah yes, and I'm sure you were experienced and knew what you were doing for every hobby or professional career you held or currently hold from day one. No career should ever progress, because no one can ever progress, develop, or evolve. Scott had one season in charge in the league below this one, and he got us out of it on the first ask. It's reasonable to let him learn his trade in the league above and give him time. There will be growing pains, but that's with any leader moving to the next higher management position in any industry.
If every "boss" I ever had or any managerial position I ever held was let go because they couldn't perform or adapt immediately to the expected standard on week one - we'd have no one, and future leaders wouldn't be able to grow because they're always "too inexperienced" Or simply "not good enough"
I have no comment on TK - but as far as ur gaffer goes - to write him off already is folly.
i think parker will be a very good manager but in these last three games he has fouled up big time and was more repsonsible than the players for doing it wrong. if he learns brilliant, if he continues to delay making the right subs at the right time, or altering tactics as the game continues, which he seems extremely poor at, then we are doomed this season.
Well Lighthouse, do you agree with blingo now?
Quote from: absenteeism on September 13, 2020, 05:05:11 PM
TK is not a nice guy.
A petty vindictive individual
Agree the bloke is toxic.
Quote from: blingo on May 01, 2021, 08:07:59 PM
Well Lighthouse, do you agree with blingo now?
No because nothing has changed for either of us. My point has always been if you have a coach who plays a certain type of way with the odd little tinker here and there. Then you should have the players to make the best of that. At no point in the season did we have a way of converting chances into goals. In the end we played very samey and defensively and side to side because that is the way Parker tends to play and we don't have players up front to hold and support as Mitro did last season.
This season Mitro has never been close to being good enough and that in turn has led to our complete lack of ideas once we reach the final third. So if you sack Parker. We still need someone to actually bring in the type of players the new coach will need. We had a decent centre back this time. But didn't greatly improve the squad. So Parker is only a very small part of why we failed this season. Changing the coach hasn't worked very well in the last few years. But then we have never yet had a squad good enough to stay in the Prem whoever was in charge.
