Summer Silly Season Transfer Thread 2025

[Neutral Zone Ultra]

https://twitter.com/1966mjg/status/1951569966920093995?s=46

[Neutral Zone Ultra]

We have signed one player with two weeks to the beginning of the season, an ageing backup goalkeeper. Our manager is complaining publicly that he doesn't have time to integrate any new signings. If you think that's a sign of ambition to move on and try and compete and win trophies then you are deluding yourself.

[Neutral Zone Ultra]

It's so clear that the owner and executives' priorities are not success on the field, reaching Europe, winning major trophies, but on maximising profit from the new stand and trying to squeeze every last penny from the matchgoing fan.

So you don't think that winning a cup will benefit the club and SK at all? If the wheels hadn't all but fallen off towards the end of the season we could well be playing in Europe, attracting better players and pushing on. Not being able to beat the teams below us cost us and I don't think SK told MS to not bother against these teams as he'd rather make money out of the stand then get the club into Europe.

Have you considered why the wheels might have fallen off at the end of the season? Perhaps it's a sign that the squad is in need of investment, not stagnation?

[Nero]

https://twitter.com/1966mjg/status/1951569966920093995?s=46

Marco we need more players, also Marco I'll play the same 11 even when they're knackered and losing every week

[AnotherVicHalomLoveChild]

200 pages....

[JimOG]

We have signed one player with two weeks to the beginning of the season, an ageing backup goalkeeper. Our manager is complaining publicly that he doesn't have time to integrate any new signings. If you think that's a sign of ambition to move on and try and compete and win trophies then you are deluding yourself.

Interesting read on Twitter from Fulham Fan News using Kieran Maguire's data - worth a read - it affects this transfer window

FFN
Fulham are not in trouble with psr but they are up against it with the new scr rules that come into effect next season. 📈 85% squad cost ratio (scr)

That's what I can see from the research I've done. The new stand will boost revenue a bit but they need to be cautious in their approach to transfers unless a couple of sales are made

[JimmyConway]

Start the January window thread now? See if it can match this thread of 200 pages without one meaningful transfer of note?

[Rambler]

The PSR and SCR rules just completely screw the little guy.
We need some Wrexham type publicity stunt to somehow become the team everyone around the world wants to support and just dramatically boost income.

Sales and marketing need to think outside the box a bit

[keithh]

229 pages to go.

I'm getting concerned that this thread will not reach 229 now.

[hopper]

I know there's been a lot of talk about age profile in squad, and us being on the older side. I'm not against us having a fair deal of experience.

One thing though that I was thinking about in relation to this though was how a lot of these players that have come in are on pretty high wages, compared to lets say when Brighton or Bournemouth bring in a young player from another division.

We don't have full info on wages but we're led to believe that Andersen, Raul, Willian, Leno, Iwobi and now Tete have been some of our highest earners on around 100k pw.

Conversely we're led to believe that Muniz is on something like 7.5k (possibly under a tenth what some of those guys are).

Not only are we not getting resale value but we're also flying close to the sun on squad cost ratio.

With that in mind, I'm definitely wishing as a club we took a few more calculated gambles on higher risk and reward on younger players.

[Angus Telford]

The PSR and SCR rules just completely screw the little guy.
We need some Wrexham type publicity stunt to somehow become the team everyone around the world wants to support and just dramatically boost income.

Sales and marketing need to think outside the box a bit

Or we could just stop buying old players on massive wages

[rusty shackleford]

Arent all players on massive wages now

The bubble has to burst at some point. Its unsustainable

[Thailand Mick]

We have signed one player with two weeks to the beginning of the season, an ageing backup goalkeeper. Our manager is complaining publicly that he doesn't have time to integrate any new signings. If you think that's a sign of ambition to move on and try and compete and win trophies then you are deluding yourself.

Interesting read on Twitter from Fulham Fan News using Kieran Maguire's data - worth a read - it affects this transfer window

FFN
Fulham are not in trouble with psr but they are up against it with the new scr rules that come into effect next season. 📈 85% squad cost ratio (scr)

That's what I can see from the research I've done. The new stand will boost revenue a bit but they need to be cautious in their approach to transfers unless a couple of sales are made

We have signed one player with two weeks to the beginning of the season, an ageing backup goalkeeper. Our manager is complaining publicly that he doesn't have time to integrate any new signings. If you think that's a sign of ambition to move on and try and compete and win trophies then you are deluding yourself.

Interesting read on Twitter from Fulham Fan News using Kieran Maguire's data - worth a read - it affects this transfer window

FFN
Fulham are not in trouble with psr but they are up against it with the new scr rules that come into effect next season. 📈 85% squad cost ratio (scr)

That's what I can see from the research I've done. The new stand will boost revenue a bit but they need to be cautious in their approach to transfers unless a couple of sales are made

There is no official start date for Scr, it will just shadow PSR this season to see how it would work.The other thing that doesn't tie up with this theory is the players we are rumoured to be looking at loaning are on very high wages so that would defeat the object.

[hopper]

The PSR and SCR rules just completely screw the little guy.
We need some Wrexham type publicity stunt to somehow become the team everyone around the world wants to support and just dramatically boost income.

Sales and marketing need to think outside the box a bit

Or we could just stop buying old players on massive wages

I imagine the club are doing this as they see it as the best way to stop the risk of relegation and their investments, but as posted above it does mean we're shelling out big wages and not getting resale value.

It's beginning to feel a little one dimensional.

I'd just like a bit of a balance and long term succession planning.

[Drewry66]

We have signed one player with two weeks to the beginning of the season, an ageing backup goalkeeper. Our manager is complaining publicly that he doesn't have time to integrate any new signings. If you think that's a sign of ambition to move on and try and compete and win trophies then you are deluding yourself.

Interesting read on Twitter from Fulham Fan News using Kieran Maguire's data - worth a read - it affects this transfer window

FFN
Fulham are not in trouble with psr but they are up against it with the new scr rules that come into effect next season. 📈 85% squad cost ratio (scr)

That's what I can see from the research I've done. The new stand will boost revenue a bit but they need to be cautious in their approach to transfers unless a couple of sales are made

We have signed one player with two weeks to the beginning of the season, an ageing backup goalkeeper. Our manager is complaining publicly that he doesn't have time to integrate any new signings. If you think that's a sign of ambition to move on and try and compete and win trophies then you are deluding yourself.

Interesting read on Twitter from Fulham Fan News using Kieran Maguire's data - worth a read - it affects this transfer window

FFN
Fulham are not in trouble with psr but they are up against it with the new scr rules that come into effect next season. 📈 85% squad cost ratio (scr)

That's what I can see from the research I've done. The new stand will boost revenue a bit but they need to be cautious in their approach to transfers unless a couple of sales are made

There is no official start date for Scr, it will just shadow PSR this season to see how it would work.The other thing that doesn't tie up with this theory is the players we are rumoured to be looking at loaning are on very high wages so that would defeat the object.

It ties up perfectly mate. We have room under current rules so we can spend a tonne on high cost loans this year under current rules. Also why extending Raul on £100k a week doesn't matter. Those loans/Raul then end if new rules come in next year and are no longer a cost to us next year. New rules look in year rather than over 3 years so once those loans have ended they will not impact under the new rules. 

What would be a cost next year if the new rules came in is if we make perm signings on 5 year contracts as we will have their amortised fees and salaries for 5 years.

The fact we seem to be going for a load of high cost one year loans significantly points to us having a tonne of room under old rules but being pretty terrified of being stuffed under new. From some figures posted on the other group we are at 85% of turnover for salaries and then when amortised fees are added we are at 117% and that is without adding any perm signings. If correct new rules we are stuffed and looks like that is why we are barely going for any perm transfers if rumours are true. Also prob why Muniz/Wilson negotiations are tough as basically no room to add anything.

[General]

Arent all players on massive wages now

The bubble has to burst at some point. Its unsustainable

Not sure Brighton, with their model, is following that script.

[hopper]

@Drewry66 if plan is to have high cost one year loans that would work for this year, but possibly have complications if made permanent the next. Then wonder just what the plan for next season and long term would be. Bit of a headscratcher.

Seems a bit of a weird situation. Going to need to get rid of some high earners this year/next - surely Raul's final season, Adama maybe this season?

[Drewry66]

@Drewry66 if plan is to have high cost one year loans that would work for this year, but possibly have complications if made permanent the next. Then wonder just what the plan for next season and long term would be. Bit of a headscratcher.

Seems a bit of a weird situation. Going to need to get rid of some high earners this year/next - surely Raul's final season, Adama maybe this season?

If the 117% is correct only two ways out of it if the new rules come in. We make profit sales or we have to get rid of high cost players and could be left pretty thread bare from what I can see.

Now to eat into that 117% to get it down to 85% we do already have some sales of course. Mitro was in 23/24 I believe so will be gone as out of 3 year period (new rules still look at 3 years for sales).

We would however have JP/Stansfield sales for one more year next year. Let's say complete guesstimate £45m after amortised fee left and sell on for JP accounted for.

Prob is under old rules the full £45m would count but as far as I understand it new rules it would not.

New rules still look at sales made over a 3 year period but takes the higher of current years sales, an average of the last two or an average of the last three. So if we made no sales this year or next unlike the current rules where the full JP/Stansfield £45m in 26/27 would count only £15m would count under the new rules (the average over 3 years is £45m/3).

If we made a sale of £20m in 26/27 under current rules we'd have £45m+£20m count so £65m.

New rules it's the higher of the £20m for 26/27 or £65m/3 = £21.67m for the 3 year average. You'd take the 3 year average but you only get £21.67m rather than £65m!

An Adama pure profit sale this year would certainly help this 3 year average and I suspect that is one reason they are seriously considering it. Yes we'd have to buy Chuakwaze by the looks of it but not a massive amortised fee so Adama could help to keep us going in theory. Essentially unless we reduce the wage/amortised fee bill if the new rules come in looks like we'd have to make sales most years. Im not an accountant so may be wrong on bits but done a tonne of research and this is my understanding of it.

Also prob why there was talk that if we can't extend Wilson we may have to sell to ensure we don't lose him for free as reckon we need the income if new rules come in.

[ffc73]

@Drewry66 if plan is to have high cost one year loans that would work for this year, but possibly have complications if made permanent the next. Then wonder just what the plan for next season and long term would be. Bit of a headscratcher.

Seems a bit of a weird situation. Going to need to get rid of some high earners this year/next - surely Raul's final season, Adama maybe this season?

Maybe   & Marco think it will be a new owner & manager's problem for next summer.

[DM]

@Drewry66 if plan is to have high cost one year loans that would work for this year, but possibly have complications if made permanent the next. Then wonder just what the plan for next season and long term would be. Bit of a headscratcher.

Seems a bit of a weird situation. Going to need to get rid of some high earners this year/next - surely Raul's final season, Adama maybe this season?

If the 117% is correct only two ways out of it if the new rules come in. We make profit sales or we have to get rid of high cost players and could be left pretty thread bare from what I can see.

Now to eat into that 117% to get it down to 85% we do already have some sales of course. Mitro was in 23/24 I believe so will be gone as out of 3 year period (new rules still look at 3 years for sales).

We would however have JP/Stansfield sales for one more year next year. Let's say complete guesstimate £45m after amortised fee left and sell on for JP accounted for.

Prob is under old rules the full £45m would count but as far as I understand it new rules it would not.

New rules still look at sales made over a 3 year period but takes the higher of current years sales, an average of the last two or an average of the last three. So if we made no sales this year or next unlike the current rules where the full JP/Stansfield £45m in 26/27 would count only £15m would count under the new rules (the average over 3 years is £45m/3).

If we made a sale of £20m in 26/27 under current rules we'd have £45m+£20m count so £65m.

New rules it's the higher of the £20m for 26/27 or £65m/3 = £21.67m for the 3 year average. You'd take the 3 year average but you only get £21.67m rather than £65m!

An Adama pure profit sale this year would certainly help this 3 year average and I suspect that is one reason they are seriously considering it. Yes we'd have to buy Chuakwaze by the looks of it but not a massive amortised fee so Adama could help to keep us going in theory. Essentially unless we reduce the wage/amortised fee bill if the new rules come in looks like we'd have to make sales most years. Im not an accountant so may be wrong on bits but done a tonne of research and this is my understanding of it.

Also prob why there was talk that if we can't extend Wilson we may have to sell to ensure we don't lose him for free as reckon we need the income if new rules come in.

@Drewry66 if plan is to have high cost one year loans that would work for this year, but possibly have complications if made permanent the next. Then wonder just what the plan for next season and long term would be. Bit of a headscratcher.

Seems a bit of a weird situation. Going to need to get rid of some high earners this year/next - surely Raul's final season, Adama maybe this season?

If the 117% is correct only two ways out of it if the new rules come in. We make profit sales or we have to get rid of high cost players and could be left pretty thread bare from what I can see.

Now to eat into that 117% to get it down to 85% we do already have some sales of course. Mitro was in 23/24 I believe so will be gone as out of 3 year period (new rules still look at 3 years for sales).

We would however have JP/Stansfield sales for one more year next year. Let's say complete guesstimate £45m after amortised fee left and sell on for JP accounted for.

Prob is under old rules the full £45m would count but as far as I understand it new rules it would not.

New rules still look at sales made over a 3 year period but takes the higher of current years sales, an average of the last two or an average of the last three. So if we made no sales this year or next unlike the current rules where the full JP/Stansfield £45m in 26/27 would count only £15m would count under the new rules (the average over 3 years is £45m/3).

If we made a sale of £20m in 26/27 under current rules we'd have £45m+£20m count so £65m.

New rules it's the higher of the £20m for 26/27 or £65m/3 = £21.67m for the 3 year average. You'd take the 3 year average but you only get £21.67m rather than £65m!

An Adama pure profit sale this year would certainly help this 3 year average and I suspect that is one reason they are seriously considering it. Yes we'd have to buy Chuakwaze by the looks of it but not a massive amortised fee so Adama could help to keep us going in theory. Essentially unless we reduce the wage/amortised fee bill if the new rules come in looks like we'd have to make sales most years. Im not an accountant so may be wrong on bits but done a tonne of research and this is my understanding of it.

Also prob why there was talk that if we can't extend Wilson we may have to sell to ensure we don't lose him for free as reckon we need the income if new rules come in.

Pretty much in agreement with most of this. I to am not an accountant but I will say everyone crunching the numbers here don't have all the info available to them.
FFN is on X now trying to explain it and someone Tristan I think his name is saying the same thing.
Looks very much like the club is preparing for these new rules to take effect.

Could well see a lot of big earners leave next summer and replaced with younger lesser known cheaper talent.

Unless of course we see a couple of players leave for a decent fee.