Senderos

[Andy S]

Last night Senderos nearly cost us in the first minute by just kicking the ball straight at a west Ham player. Later in the second half he lost the ball in a dangerous position and it was a whisker away again. I'm not Saying Hughes is any better now but he is getting on. We certainly need a new centre Half if not this window then the next one. Or just may be we have one in the youth team who is coming through

[PokerMatt]

He gave the ball away in dangerous positions the first two times he received it, while is still very prone to loosing the man he is marking at crucial moments.

So did Brede but he got raving reviews too.

Really, not in the match I watched, Senderos had a good game against average opposition  but as already stated he gave the ball away in dangerous positions, is easily turned as he lunges in, If only he could read the game as Hughes does then we would have a great centre back

His occasional giving the ball away and clumsiness are also why he plays for Fulham and not Barcelona.

[Basil]

Senderos's body language is an example to others and was important last night. He constantly encourages colleagues and really cares. I have always liked him.

[cottage cheese]

In a nutshell I think we can all agree that the games against the long ball teams, Senderos must start over Hughes as he is good in the air and can battle well against the frontmen. He is strong at times and does make it hard for those to try and play over him. On the flip side when we play against the teams who play the ball and pass it around Hughes must start as he has a better positional ability and does not get caught at that often and does not switch off. They both have their strengths and yesterday was a game for Senderos and not Hughes.

[PokerMatt]

Last night Senderos nearly cost us in the first minute by just kicking the ball straight at a west Ham player. Later in the second half he lost the ball in a dangerous position and it was a whisker away again. I'm not Saying Hughes is any better now but he is getting on. We certainly need a new centre Half if not this window then the next one. Or just may be we have one in the youth team who is coming through

Did you note down any other player's errors?

How about berbatov leaving Nolan for their goal (that WAS costly) or when sidders decided to leave the ball in his own box to the same player. Or ruiz mishitting to berbatov from his own box?

[Swiss72]

In a nutshell I think we can all agree that the games against the long ball teams, Senderos must start over Hughes as he is good in the air and can battle well against the frontmen. He is strong at times and does make it hard for those to try and play over him. On the flip side when we play against the teams who play the ball and pass it around Hughes must start as he has a better positional ability and does not get caught at that often and does not switch off. They both have their strengths and yesterday was a game for Senderos and not Hughes.

:plus one:

[FFC1987]

Epsom, I think you're being rather pedantic on this one. I'm not loved up by Big Phil but credit where credits due, the boy played well and for everytime Phil gave the ball away I'm sure Brede wasn't far away either. I'm not saying if Hughes played it would have been the same or we would have had a clean sheet either, the facts are Phil done well with his opportunity so good luck to the lad. I understand  you are using previous games for your overall opinion of the player however.

[FFC1987]

Last night Senderos nearly cost us in the first minute by just kicking the ball straight at a west Ham player. Later in the second half he lost the ball in a dangerous position and it was a whisker away again. I'm not Saying Hughes is any better now but he is getting on. We certainly need a new centre Half if not this window then the next one. Or just may be we have one in the youth team who is coming through

Did you note down any other player's errors?

How about berbatov leaving Nolan for their goal (that WAS costly) or when sidders decided to leave the ball in his own box to the same player. Or ruiz mishitting to berbatov from his own box?

Berba also giving the ball to Nolan on the edge of the box for his shot that went just wide seems to have eluded the error sharks as well.

[A Humble Man]

Apart form the two nearly disastrous mistakes I thought Senderos had a good game.

Shame we cannot find a player as good as Karagounis who is ten years younger.

[A Humble Man]

It is unbelievable that we do not seem to be signing a central defender as if Hughes and Senderos are not good enough we need two defenders who are.

[TonyGilroy]

There is talk of the French 21 year old from Valenciennes.

[Rudolph]

I think all this "he's only good against the long ball merchants" is a bit patronising.  He kept a clean sheet against Chelsea away and last season had two very good games against Arsenal and Liverpool last year.  If it makes the pill easier to swallow, then go for it.  

[Joe McDonald]

I've not been Senderos' biggest fan, I'll admit, however, apart from a few early nervous mistakes, giving the ball away to opposition players in dangerous positions, I thought he had a blinder of a performance last night. Given that he's never had a lengthy run in the starting line up I think that speaks volumes for his quality and a few 'rusty' moments shouldn't be used to slaughter him.


Oh, and his celebrations when we score are just fantastic.  Big air punches and 'c'mon' shouts to the crowd.  great passion

[Rupert]

I've not been Senderos' biggest fan, I'll admit, however, apart from a few early nervous mistakes, giving the ball away to opposition players in dangerous positions, I thought he had a blinder of a performance last night. Given that he's never had a lengthy run in the starting line up I think that speaks volumes for his quality and a few 'rusty' moments shouldn't be used to slaughter him.


Oh, and his celebrations when we score are just fantastic.  Big air punches and 'c'mon' shouts to the crowd.  great passion

I like it on the occasions when, after "giving the ball away" (translation, sometimes he is tackled by a skillful/well positioned/lucky opponent), Senderos does the very unFulhamish thing of going and tackling the opponent to get the ball back again. You can guarantee which seats will howl out "Typical Senderos" when the former happens, yet are strangely quiet when he wins it back.

I'm not blind to his poor points, nor to his good ones, and frankly he has been a lot less culpable than the Thames Barrier this season, yet he is still the target of choice for many on here.

[cmg]

Now that I agree totally with you, Tigana said that he wanted players to out on the pitch and express
themselves, try things without fear of reproach , that seems so long ago now.

There was an excellent article in the Guardian the other day on THAT try by Gareth Edwards for the Barbarians against the All Blacks 40 years ago and that was exactly what Carwyn James said to Phil Bennett before the game. Presumably James spoke in Welsh and Tigana in French, which is why the idea has never really caught on.

[Deanothefulhamfan]

I honestly think Senderos should be nowhere near our first team..... would rather we recalled the young lad on loan at Yeovil and played him.... Yesterday is just one of many examples of him nearly costing us, he is a liabillity in defense , and im afraid to say he always has been, you only need to speak to any Arsenal fan.

The fact he was positive and encouraging people yesterday is good for the team, but that is not enough reason to play him...

[chiefo]

Agree with gist of post's. I have given Senderos stick, in particular the Spurs game, but I'm happy enough to say apart from those blind passes I thought he did ok for us last night so well done big man! You can wear the white shirt again. 065.gif

[Deanothefulhamfan]

I don't understand why everyone thinks he had a good game, he almost gave west ham 3 goals????

Apart from Ruiz who did nothing, he was our worst player on the pitch yesterday. IMO of course

[PokerMatt]

I don't understand why everyone thinks he had a good game, he almost gave west ham 3 goals????

Apart from Ruiz who did nothing, he was our worst player on the pitch yesterday. IMO of course

Maybe because so many people are sitting in anticipation of his next error is why you think he had a bad game? Almost gifted three goals now is it? Well Dimi DID gift one, Ruiz nearly gifted two, Sidders nearly gifted a couple. If we didn't give the ball away at all we'd be as successful as Barcelona. But we do, so we aren't.

Senderos did an awful lot right. Petric had three shots when he came in so there you go, by your logic he "almost" got a hat-trick.

[VicHalomsLovechild]

   The role of the central defender must be the toughest position in modern football. You have to be big and strong, yet fast in pace and mind. You have to be tactically aware and not allow a split second break in concentration. Any mistakes you make usually lead to a goal, it's the most unforgiving position on the park.  Neither Brede, Hughes or big Phil have had a great season but as already pointed out we don't have the budget to land or keep the kind of quality some on here want. Do we miss Murhpy shouting out orders. There doesn't appear to be anyone on the field pulling the strings and reminding all what their jobs are. Is this the real reason things aren't as good as they could be  
  I think Senderous gets more stick than Hughes or Brede for the same errors. Saturdays another test, I'd stick with the team that started last night.