NFR--What Shall We Do With Good King Richard?

[Rupert]

Surely York Minster. In life that was his place...in death he lay forgotten in Leicestershire for a good part of the last 500 years.

If we work on the fact that his evil reputation is nothing more than a Shakespearean calumny, then he deserves the honour of being buried in his own place.

As an aide memoire to remember the order of the colours of the spectrum, we say Richard Of York Gave Battle In Vain. Perhaps if his reinstatement warns us of the dangers of believing everything the establishment wants us to hear, then he didn't.  

Putting my pedantic hat on for a moment (do I ever take it off?) the Richard of York in the above phrase was actually Richard III's dad, Richard, Duke of York, who was Henry VI's rival for the throne, which kicked off the whole Wars of the Roses saga. He did give battle in vain because, despite a number of crushing victories, he eventually ran into superior numbers who ambushed him (or he got overconfident, depending on how you read it) and got the chop without actually becoming king himself.

I agree about York, though, he belongs there more than anywhere, I think.

I do like the mock up of his face that they have made and are so proud of. It looks just like his painting. Amazing, really.

As for the Bard, he was a creature of his times, he had to write plays that would impress the Tudors, who of course got their paws on the thone after defeating Richard III at Bosworth, so he was hardly going to depict the man as a saint, was he? Ditto Macbeth. Here was the legal king of Scotland, deposed by Edward the Confessor, who was well thought of by Tudor Englishmen. Well, he, Macbeth, must have been a bad man, mustn't he? Except that history tells us he was a good king (or as good as they tended to be in those days), ruled wisely and went on a pilgrimage to Jerusalem before the English found a puppet candidate more to their liking to rule their northern neighbour and sent an army to install him.

[grandad]

Richard of York gave battle in vain
R = Red
O = Orange
Y = Yellow
G = Green
B = Blue
I = Indigo
V = Violet

This is how to remember the colour order in a rainbow

He should be buried in York Minster.

[ffc73]

Richard III was Duke of Gloucester before becoming king

Rupert is 100% correct in that the mnemonic is about King Richard's father, the Duke of York, who was killed at the Battle of Wakefield with his second son Edmund, Earl of Rutland, on 30th December 1460

They were both avenged in March 1461 by the eldest son the Earl of March who became Edward IV.

The fourth son of the Duke of York, George, was Duke of Clarence.  He was convicted of treason and by his brother Edward IV and the sentence of death carried out.  Drowned in a butt of malmsey wine.  Shakespeare again?

I have three sons.  Edward, Richard and George.  Named after this lot.  And I wonder why mine don't get along.....

[Fulham1959]

He was the one that stuck his finger in a dyke, right?

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[Holders]

Isn't that homophobic?

[Berserker]

Richard III was Duke of Gloucester before becoming king

Maybe he should be buried in Gloucester  next to Edward II

[ron]

Richard III was Duke of Gloucester before becoming king

Maybe he should be buried in Gloucester  next to Edward II

I believe History has decided to forget Edward II, who had a very unpleasant end ...literally, due to his ...er relationship with a French Knight, Piers Gaveston

[Gozorich]

Stick him in the House of Lords; no one would notice.

[Me-ate-Live, innit??]

He was born near Leicester he died near Leicester 
The people of Leicester have been driving over him for years,  they deserve to keep him and make some money  from visitors.  York and London get enough tourists  already.

[Burt]

Stick him in the House of Lords; no one would notice.

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[Fulham Tup North]

Stick him in the House of Lords; no one would notice.

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They are looking for King Alfred now in Winchester.  Why not just wait until they find him and just have one big special day.  Love the idea of another Bank Holiday though!

[Forever Fulham]

Stick him in the House of Lords; no one would notice.

:yay:

[Lighthouse]

They should have  Peter Sellers as Richard reciting  'Hard Days Night' as they build a new multi storey car park around him leaving space R3 forever empty.

[cebu]

They should have  Peter Sellers as Richard reciting  'Hard Days Night' as they build a new multi storey car park around him leaving space R3 forever empty.

Excellent idea - it sounds doable ... which probably means that it won't be done though   :wine:

[McBridefan1]

In the end zone at giant stadium with jimmy Hoffa?