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Is this squad / team...........
« on: August 11, 2019, 11:07:13 AM »
better than our promotion season?

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Re: Is this squad / team...........
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2019, 11:37:20 AM »
Yes.

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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2019, 11:43:32 AM »
in answer to the question unfortunatey it yes and no.
The lack of two decent full backs is worse but I think the rest of the team is a step up.
The biggest minus is the manager. I like scott and was my choice after CR and clearly hope he picks it up very quickly but slav was a seasoned professional that knew what needed to be done and how to do it, he was 'risk free.'
so in may we will have this discussion again no doubt based on what actually happens.


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Re: Is this squad / team...........
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2019, 12:29:23 PM »
Yes I believe so,pace down the sides re Frederick when he was here he had pace but no end product and on this board we all said it and that aside much better!

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Re: Is this squad / team...........
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2019, 12:54:34 PM »
After a great showing yesterday, we do have a good squad, but a word of caution. In our last successful push for the top flight we earned it using loanees, and then they left. We struggled to replace them and faced disaster last season.

Our current squad also has loanees in critical positions, and so we need to look at signing possible replacements in the Jan window  (Summer at a push) or, if we do get promotion again this season, we could find ourselves in the same position as 14 months ago.

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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2019, 01:06:52 PM »
After a great showing yesterday, we do have a good squad, but a word of caution. In our last successful push for the top flight we earned it using loanees, and then they left. We struggled to replace them and faced disaster last season.

Our current squad also has loanees in critical positions, and so we need to look at signing possible replacements in the Jan window  (Summer at a push) or, if we do get promotion again this season, we could find ourselves in the same position as 14 months ago.

All our loanees have an option to buy this time around. Even Reed. So we won't have a Mitro or Targett situation where they suddenly increase their asking price by £10 million if they prove themselves while here.
« Last Edit: August 11, 2019, 01:10:37 PM by Tabby »


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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2019, 01:27:54 PM »
It will be as successful as Jokanovic's team if it wins promotion this season.  If it doesn't then it will not be as successful.  Any other attempts at comparisons are either premature or largely down to opinion.  The objective is promotion as we have heard from several different places within the Club hierarchy.  That is the target.  If this team hits the target then we may muse as much as we wish to do so upon which promotion team was the better.

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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2019, 01:44:06 PM »
After a great showing yesterday, we do have a good squad, but a word of caution. In our last successful push for the top flight we earned it using loanees, and then they left. We struggled to replace them and faced disaster last season.

Our current squad also has loanees in critical positions, and so we need to look at signing possible replacements in the Jan window  (Summer at a push) or, if we do get promotion again this season, we could find ourselves in the same position as 14 months ago.

All our loanees have an option to buy this time around. Even Reed. So we won't have a Mitro or Targett situation where they suddenly increase their asking price by £10 million if they prove themselves while here.



I,m not splitting hairs here I am just trying to understand. For example Knockaert and Cavaleiro signed as loan with option to buy. Reed signed as a loan with the possibility of it being made permanent. Does this mean the option to buys have a price already agreed whereas reed still has to have a price for signing agreed.
I know it’s only different words but if the above applies it is not cut and dried and reed could end up like target.

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Re: Is this squad / team...........
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2019, 01:54:00 PM »
After a great showing yesterday, we do have a good squad, but a word of caution. In our last successful push for the top flight we earned it using loanees, and then they left. We struggled to replace them and faced disaster last season.

Our current squad also has loanees in critical positions, and so we need to look at signing possible replacements in the Jan window  (Summer at a push) or, if we do get promotion again this season, we could find ourselves in the same position as 14 months ago.

All our loanees have an option to buy this time around. Even Reed. So we won't have a Mitro or Targett situation where they suddenly increase their asking price by £10 million if they prove themselves while here.



I,m not splitting hairs here I am just trying to understand. For example Knockaert and Cavaleiro signed as loan with option to buy. Reed signed as a loan with the possibility of it being made permanent. Does this mean the option to buys have a price already agreed whereas reed still has to have a price for signing agreed.
I know it’s only different words but if the above applies it is not cut and dried and reed could end up like target.
ask TK not us!


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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2019, 01:57:26 PM »
After a great showing yesterday, we do have a good squad, but a word of caution. In our last successful push for the top flight we earned it using loanees, and then they left. We struggled to replace them and faced disaster last season.

Our current squad also has loanees in critical positions, and so we need to look at signing possible replacements in the Jan window  (Summer at a push) or, if we do get promotion again this season, we could find ourselves in the same position as 14 months ago.

All our loanees have an option to buy this time around. Even Reed. So we won't have a Mitro or Targett situation where they suddenly increase their asking price by £10 million if they prove themselves while here.



I,m not splitting hairs here I am just trying to understand. For example Knockaert and Cavaleiro signed as loan with option to buy. Reed signed as a loan with the possibility of it being made permanent. Does this mean the option to buys have a price already agreed whereas reed still has to have a price for signing agreed.
I know it’s only different words but if the above applies it is not cut and dried and reed could end up like target.
ask TK not us!

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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2019, 02:04:34 PM »
After a great showing yesterday, we do have a good squad, but a word of caution. In our last successful push for the top flight we earned it using loanees, and then they left. We struggled to replace them and faced disaster last season.

Our current squad also has loanees in critical positions, and so we need to look at signing possible replacements in the Jan window  (Summer at a push) or, if we do get promotion again this season, we could find ourselves in the same position as 14 months ago.

All our loanees have an option to buy this time around. Even Reed. So we won't have a Mitro or Targett situation where they suddenly increase their asking price by £10 million if they prove themselves while here.

I,m not splitting hairs here I am just trying to understand. For example Knockaert and Cavaleiro signed as loan with option to buy. Reed signed as a loan with the possibility of it being made permanent. Does this mean the option to buys have a price already agreed whereas reed still has to have a price for signing agreed.
I know it’s only different words but if the above applies it is not cut and dried and reed could end up like target.

That is the same wording they used for Arter and Bobby Reid. Arter has an obligation to buy if we get promoted and Warnock has said that the Reid deal is worth £1.5 million more than they bought him for. So they have set fees, and the same wording as the Reed signing.

"Reed joins Fulham on a season-long loan deal, which could be made permanent at a later date."

"The 26-year-old forward (Reid) will remain at Craven Cottage for the duration of the season, in a deal that could later become permanent."

"The deal keeps the 29-year-old (Arter) at Craven Cottage for the duration of the 2019/20 season, and could be made permanent next summer."

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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2019, 02:09:51 PM »
After a great showing yesterday, we do have a good squad, but a word of caution. In our last successful push for the top flight we earned it using loanees, and then they left. We struggled to replace them and faced disaster last season.

Our current squad also has loanees in critical positions, and so we need to look at signing possible replacements in the Jan window  (Summer at a push) or, if we do get promotion again this season, we could find ourselves in the same position as 14 months ago.

All our loanees have an option to buy this time around. Even Reed. So we won't have a Mitro or Targett situation where they suddenly increase their asking price by £10 million if they prove themselves while here.

I,m not splitting hairs here I am just trying to understand. For example Knockaert and Cavaleiro signed as loan with option to buy. Reed signed as a loan with the possibility of it being made permanent. Does this mean the option to buys have a price already agreed whereas reed still has to have a price for signing agreed.
I know it’s only different words but if the above applies it is not cut and dried and reed could end up like target.

That is the same wording they used for Arter and Bobby Reid. Arter has an obligation to buy if we get promoted and Warnock has said that the Reid deal is worth £1.5 million more than they bought him for. So they have set fees, and the same wording as the Reed signing.

"Reed joins Fulham on a season-long loan deal, which could be made permanent at a later date."

"The 26-year-old forward (Reid) will remain at Craven Cottage for the duration of the season, in a deal that could later become permanent."

"The deal keeps the 29-year-old (Arter) at Craven Cottage for the duration of the 2019/20 season, and could be made permanent next summer."

Obligation or option?

Are we obliged to buy if we get promoted?

Even with Option to buy, does the player not have a final say in this? I'm not so certain that everything is always so cut and dried as some wording might have us believe.


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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2019, 02:13:33 PM »
This is the wording from Bournemouth.

"The agreement with the Cottagers includes an obligation to buy the midfielder should certain performance-related criteria be met."

The way it usually works with these deals is that we have a contract agreed with Arter before him coming here, and we have to pay if the "performance-related criteria" are met.

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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2019, 02:18:09 PM »
This is the wording from Bournemouth.

"The agreement with the Cottagers includes an obligation to buy the midfielder should certain performance-related criteria be met."

The way it usually works with these deals is that we have a contract agreed with Arter before him coming here, and we have to pay if the "performance-related criteria" are met.

I see, risky business I guess, if its based on promotion alone, though I hope its a good price.  :54:

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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2019, 03:47:02 PM »
Ask again at the end of the season. Another trip to Wembley wouldn’t go amiss, but isn’t rather automatic promotion because then they can properly put plans in place (at least that’s what normal clubs would do)!


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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2019, 08:16:47 AM »
Our best promotion season team after christmas was awesome, but one game before christmas our forward line was Fonte, Johasen and Ojo, with Graham and Torres coming off the bench. We have clearly improved since then. In addition, FFC are not as dependent on Cairney and in 17/18 we dropped around 32 points with Cairney injuried, not playing a full game and/or returning from injury. Bobby Reid sort of injury proofs fulham from a huge loss of points if Cairney or Mitro aren’t playing.
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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2019, 08:27:44 AM »
After a great showing yesterday, we do have a good squad, but a word of caution. In our last successful push for the top flight we earned it using loanees, and then they left. We struggled to replace them and faced disaster last season.

Our current squad also has loanees in critical positions, and so we need to look at signing possible replacements in the Jan window  (Summer at a push) or, if we do get promotion again this season, we could find ourselves in the same position as 14 months ago.

All our loanees have an option to buy this time around. Even Reed. So we won't have a Mitro or Targett situation where they suddenly increase their asking price by £10 million if they prove themselves while here.

I,m not splitting hairs here I am just trying to understand. For example Knockaert and Cavaleiro signed as loan with option to buy. Reed signed as a loan with the possibility of it being made permanent. Does this mean the option to buys have a price already agreed whereas reed still has to have a price for signing agreed.
I know it’s only different words but if the above applies it is not cut and dried and reed could end up like target.

That is the same wording they used for Arter and Bobby Reid. Arter has an obligation to buy if we get promoted and Warnock has said that the Reid deal is worth £1.5 million more than they bought him for. So they have set fees, and the same wording as the Reed signing.

"Reed joins Fulham on a season-long loan deal, which could be made permanent at a later date."

"The 26-year-old forward (Reid) will remain at Craven Cottage for the duration of the season, in a deal that could later become permanent."

"The deal keeps the 29-year-old (Arter) at Craven Cottage for the duration of the 2019/20 season, and could be made permanent next summer."

Obligation or option?

Are we obliged to buy if we get promoted?

Even with Option to buy, does the player not have a final say in this? I'm not so certain that everything is always so cut and dried as some wording might have us believe.
I suspect you are right about player preferences and say, and the loaning club's requirements, equally influencing the loan arrangement.  Reid makes it pretty clear he has 'always wanted to play for FFC' but clearly it still depends upon how the loan pans out.  I suspect, as with all things, the proof will be in the final outcome of the pudding.  I just hope that all the loans are clearer to the loanees than they were when a certain Mr Martin came here.

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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2019, 08:35:20 AM »
Our best promotion season team after christmas was awesome, but one game before christmas our forward line was Fonte, Johasen and Ojo, with Graham and Torres coming off the bench. We have clearly improved since then. In addition, FFC are not as dependent on Cairney and in 17/18 we dropped around 32 points with Cairney injuried, not playing a full game and/or returning from injury. Bobby Reid sort of injury proofs fulham from a huge loss of points if Cairney or Mitro aren’t playing.
To be fair the problems of 17/18 were a little bit more complicated than Cairney's fitness, and Mitro didn't even figure until after the winter window.  We had problems on the left (loss of Malone without replacement) and the resulting key issue of where to play R Sessegnon, something SJ pointed out as a conundrum that could have been avoided.  Plus the fact Cairney never really reached his best until the winter window resolved two key positions.  Both flanks could be problematic this season unless the partnerships can be made to work really effectively, and central midfield effectiveness is reduced if they do not.   

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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2019, 09:11:05 AM »
It will be as successful as Jokanovic's team if it wins promotion this season.  If it doesn't then it will not be as successful.  Any other attempts at comparisons are either premature or largely down to opinion.  The objective is promotion as we have heard from several different places within the Club hierarchy.  That is the target.  If this team hits the target then we may muse as much as we wish to do so upon which promotion team was the better.

The question was, 'was it better.' Not would it be more succesful.

Yes, it probably is better. Will it bemore succesful? Who knows. Other factors such as luck with injuries play a part.

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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2019, 10:06:42 AM »
It will be as successful as Jokanovic's team if it wins promotion this season.  If it doesn't then it will not be as successful.  Any other attempts at comparisons are either premature or largely down to opinion.  The objective is promotion as we have heard from several different places within the Club hierarchy.  That is the target.  If this team hits the target then we may muse as much as we wish to do so upon which promotion team was the better.

The question was, 'was it better.' Not would it be more succesful.

Yes, it probably is better. Will it bemore succesful? Who knows. Other factors such as luck with injuries play a part.
Oh do split hairs why don't you...