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Re: Coronavirus?
« Reply #40 on: March 04, 2020, 11:19:22 PM »
Pope now seems to be suspected of being infected
From all the people kissing his ring. The one on his finger possibly.

It appears he doesn’t have a ring on his finger anymore.

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« Reply #41 on: March 05, 2020, 05:06:28 AM »
How come  i all my 70 odd years on the planet there's never been such a reaction to any of the viruses or diseases that have been around?

Ok,  vulnerable people are at risk - as they are generally at this time of year, but this has  been an overreaction.

Residents of an old people's home said they were fr more frightened of losing their, mostly foreign, carers, than of catching this illness.

They are now worrying about  workers on  self-employed and zero hours contracts who are unable to work if being in contact with this  illness, but who worried about them before? - when  many of these people have had to go to work  while being treated for such diseases as cancer - because they had no access to sick pay.

Whatever the government says , do you think people can  just claim benefits as soon as they are  off work - maybe forced to stay at home  although feeling ok - just like that?

The reaction to  coronavirus is  completely over the top, and is causing panic.

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« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2020, 06:11:53 AM »
How come i all my 70 odd years on the planet there's never been such a reaction to any of the viruses or diseases that have been around?

The reaction to coronavirus is completely over the top, and is causing panic.

We panicked about Brexit ruining some lives which I consider a much greater overreaction, but coronavirus is many orders of magnitude scarier.

We have no idea about "what are the necessary precautions?" and "what is unnecessary panic?".
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« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2020, 07:34:27 AM »
Whether all this is a overreaction or not a lot of people in this country work for small firms or Agency's, this means many will only get £94 statuary sick pay weekly if ill. Many workers who try to claim Universal Credit for rent help will find it takes 4 weeks to get if their lucky.

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« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2020, 08:27:34 AM »
With that said, we're an awful long way from 50% of the population being infected. Even at the rate at 500+ new cases per day they're currently seeing in South Korea and Italy, it would take 3-4 year just to infect 1% of our population of 60m. The issue now is IMO is whether we see the controls those countries have implemented starting to work over the coming days and weeks, and the spread being successfully contained like it was in China.

Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. The transmission rate is x2/3 meaning one person on average infects two to three others. That means the more that get infected, the quicker it spreads. In about 2 to 3 months we could be at a peak.

I don't dispute that it has the potential to accelerate like that but it's not doing it at the moment. Look at the new case data coming from South Korea for example, and it has plateaued in the last week, which suggests the measures they've taken are containing it, for now. FWIW I accept the majority of expert opinion now seems to be saying that sooner or later it will spread widely... but it also says that for the majority of us it will be so mild that we don't even realise we have it.

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« Reply #45 on: March 05, 2020, 08:44:46 AM »
It does have a higher mortality rate than Flu, hence the "fuss" and the advice.



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« Reply #46 on: March 05, 2020, 08:44:47 AM »
A lot of people suffer from haemorrhoids but there has never been any panic about it, seeing as they are generally stuck with it for life, whilst these viruses come and go, so I feel that so far there may have been an overreaction as the media love a bad news scary story. Far more people have piles than Coronavirus.

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« Reply #47 on: March 05, 2020, 08:45:56 AM »
How come  i all my 70 odd years on the planet there's never been such a reaction to any of the viruses or diseases that have been around?

Ok,  vulnerable people are at risk - as they are generally at this time of year, but this has  been an overreaction.

Residents of an old people's home said they were fr more frightened of losing their, mostly foreign, carers, than of catching this illness.

They are now worrying about  workers on  self-employed and zero hours contracts who are unable to work if being in contact with this  illness, but who worried about them before? - when  many of these people have had to go to work  while being treated for such diseases as cancer - because they had no access to sick pay.

Whatever the government says , do you think people can  just claim benefits as soon as they are  off work - maybe forced to stay at home  although feeling ok - just like that?

The reaction to  coronavirus is  completely over the top, and is causing panic.
I have to agree with you on all fronts.

Coronavirus-19 may be one of the uglier of its types but the media response has been typical of the genre for quite a long time - sensationally OTT and often misinforming. 
Perhaps we are also lacking the necessary strong and responsible political leadership on a global scale which is not going to help matters either.  The important work necessary toward containment will go on regardless of any and all efforts that may make matters worse.     

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« Reply #48 on: March 05, 2020, 11:02:16 AM »
It seems to me that a lot of the concern/caution about corona stems from how little is firmly known about it, the degree to which it manifests itself and similarity to/confusion with other viral infections in many instances.

In its worst manifestation it can be deadly to those who are vulnerable but, in other instances, symptoms are reportedly mild and people may not even know that what they've had is corona and not just a routine cold or flu. Thus, the source of infection and spread can innocently be at large and not isolated. There's a suggestion that, because of this, the virus is already more widespread than reported. A further suggestion is that it can be transmissible in the incubation phase (two weeks, reportedly) whilst symptoms are not evident. If so, that will inevitably cause a faster rate of spread. Finally, unless someone gets bad or specific symptoms, how do they know that it isn't a normal cold when they wouldn't curtail normal activities (shopping, socialising, work)?

For all those reasons, I can understand why the experts have no ready answers and the talk is of delay rather than containment. If people just came out in red spots it would be so much easier.


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« Reply #49 on: March 05, 2020, 11:32:38 AM »
I'd assume that there would be more concern on here since 3/4ths of this board seem to be 65+ years old.

But as to football reprecussions, they have started in Italy. Games in the zones of most infection are suspended and the rest are played behind closed doors.

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« Reply #50 on: March 05, 2020, 11:40:09 AM »
I do think things have reached a serious point, up till a few days ago I was not changing my life at all, but think it is time to now where possible.

Travelling on the tube the last couple of days, seeing a lot of people starting to wear masks and things now. The media have latched onto the use of public transport as a possible means of spreading pretty much from the start, but what seemed a bit OTT now seems fair enough... You are talking about a million plus (very rough estimate) people a day using the tube network, touching the handrails, using the seats, etc.

Wonder if they may close the tube down altogether in the next few weeks ?...

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« Reply #51 on: March 05, 2020, 11:50:45 AM »
They may shut down the tube, shut down everything - though we have never done this before, even during the War.

It's an absurd overreaction of what seems from the accounts of sufferers to be a  severe form of Flu, which causes  pneumonia amongst those with weakened immune systems, though many sufferers have few, if any, symptoms, - those who are vulnerable to  existing Flu, which can be vaccinated against i know, but Corona will  soon have a vaccine I'm sure, and a variety of other illnesses.

This isn't Beubonic Plague by any means, and we survived that back in Samuel Pepys time, and you can read about it in his diary,and that would  definitely kill you, while this is highly unlikely to.



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« Reply #52 on: March 05, 2020, 12:32:25 PM »
I've seen a few masks on the tube, generally healthy looking people in their 20s, 30s and 40s.

The experts have consistently said the masks might stop you spreading it (by coughing on other people) but they'll do little to stop you catching it.

If these people with the masks have the virus and are trying to avoid spreading it, or are concerned because they've some hidden health problem or a vulnerable relative at home, fair enough. But generally I just think, you stupid ponce.

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« Reply #53 on: March 05, 2020, 12:39:42 PM »
The last time I saw someone with a Mask was Jim Carey in that Film “The Mask”.

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« Reply #54 on: March 05, 2020, 12:48:53 PM »
I'm not sure the idea of over-reaction is helpful.

A problem is that this virus seems to have originated in China, arguably apart from N Korea the most government controlled nation on earth and where no sane person believes any statement of purported fact that any of its leaders makes.

The most reliable country in terms of openness that has suffered a considerable number of instances thus far is Italy where it seems that there have been somewhat over 3000 reported instances and 107 deaths (as of yesterday) which, if such relatively small numbers (for evaluating public health issues) prove anything like the norm suggests a mortality rate of over 3%.

IF the mortality rate is anything like 3% and the virus spreads as easily as it is clear from his appearance before the relevant Commons committee today the Chief Medical Officer thinks is a serious possibility, this could yet turn out to be very much more serious than the annual flu. Our government, along with all others in Europe, cannot not take the possibility of large numbers of deaths other than very seriously and if it turns out, when more is known about the impact of the virus, some have taken steps which with hindsight prove unnecessary, surely that is better than not doing enough. 



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« Reply #55 on: March 05, 2020, 01:04:28 PM »
The government are only interested in pushing it further along towards the summer to save the health service from suffering. They are not worried about you and me. Yes it’s an inconvenience but unless we are not being told something this virus will be gone from the press in a few months

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« Reply #56 on: March 05, 2020, 01:21:24 PM »
A lot of people suffer from haemorrhoids but there has never been any panic about it, seeing as they are generally stuck with it for life, whilst these viruses come and go, so I feel that so far there may have been an overreaction as the media love a bad news scary story. Far more people have piles than Coronavirus.

I can't contract and then expose piles to the elderly and those of low immunity though, can I? If we only think about ourselves as healthy, young (some of us) people, then sure, but if we care for others around us and in the wider public then we should take care and follow guidelines and consider the potential serious outcomes for others.

This will spread because so many people are selfish, stupid and a blend of both. Many businesses will not assist peoples best efforts to stop that from happening by supporting those with symptons to self-contain, and those businesses are not being helped to do so by Govt. £94 a week? Exceptional times call for exceptional measures, and if we, the UK, really wanted to lead in preventative measures then our Govt. should announcing plans allowing people to do so.

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Re: Coronavirus?
« Reply #57 on: March 05, 2020, 01:56:08 PM »
A lot of people suffer from haemorrhoids but there has never been any panic about it, seeing as they are generally stuck with it for life, whilst these viruses come and go, so I feel that so far there may have been an overreaction as the media love a bad news scary story. Far more people have piles than Coronavirus.

I can't contract and then expose piles to the elderly and those of low immunity though, can I? If we only think about ourselves as healthy, young (some of us) people, then sure, but if we care for others around us and in the wider public then we should take care and follow guidelines and consider the potential serious outcomes for others.

This will spread because so many people are selfish, stupid and a blend of both. Many businesses will not assist peoples best efforts to stop that from happening by supporting those with symptons to self-contain, and those businesses are not being helped to do so by Govt. £94 a week? Exceptional times call for exceptional measures, and if we, the UK, really wanted to lead in preventative measures then our Govt. should announcing plans allowing people to do so.

It's very likely to spread because of the reasons you cite as well as asymptomatic people being carriers, or those who think they've just got a cold.

Are you suggesting that there should be no entry at all to the UK from (for example) China, South Korea and Italy? I would have thought that radical measures like that would have to be global rather than national to be effective. Testing shows nothing during the incubation period until symptoms develop.

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« Reply #58 on: March 05, 2020, 02:29:47 PM »
 

Are you suggesting that there should be no entry at all to the UK from (for example) China, South Korea and Italy? I would have thought that radical measures like that would have to be global rather than national to be effective. Testing shows nothing during the incubation period until symptoms develop.
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Anyone who has recently travelled to or transited through China (usually within the last 14-28 days)
Complete ban on entry to USA  Australia, Bahamas, many Caribbean islands, Indonesia, Madagascar, Maldives, New Zealand, the Philippines, Singapore, Turkey and Vietnam, among others.

Anyone who has visited Italy (usually within the last 14-28 days)
Complete ban on entry to Cook Islands, Fiji, India, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Mauritius, Mongolia, St Lucia and Seychelles, among others. (All of these countries also have a ban on entry to anyone who has visited China).

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« Reply #59 on: March 05, 2020, 02:33:10 PM »
I was in an Asda store last night, just after 11pm, the shelves had literally been stripped bare, we got to the till and the poor woman told us that it had been absolute mayhem all day because of the Corona virus,
I put my card in to pay then asked her how many times today somebody has been round to wipe the key pad clean,
Looking bewildered she replied that nobody ever wipes the key pad down,
There were 24 tills there plus all the self service tills, imagine for a second how many people would have used those key pads in a single day !
Is it any wonder that this virus is going to spread out of control ?