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Loyalty to Reed and TC costing us?
« on: September 15, 2020, 09:31:56 AM »

 
Okay so the Carlo Ancelotti effect might have helped source and attract the player I am about to mention. But Allan of Everton. Now that is a SUMMER Signing we lacked? Lemina? well he might be this player, when will Scott put him in? Anguissa not quite the same as Allan , but 'a sort of like' Certainly as much as we like what Reed and TC have done for Fulham Allan or someone of his ilk. Quality, skill etc is what we need playing week in week out.

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Re: Loyalty to Reed and TC costing us?
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2020, 09:37:58 AM »
It will take a few games to see who can step up to the plate and who cannot. Sadly I’m not sure that our 1 footed captain will make it but I could be wrong

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Re: Loyalty to Reed and TC costing us?
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2020, 09:49:58 AM »
I don't really understand this thread. First of, if you mean  a player of Allan's documented quality that would of course never happen for Fulham currently. Everton is a far bigger club, and Ancelotti is a manager that can attract players that would usually be above them as well (such as Allan and James). If you mean that type of player, then as you mentioned Lemina might be that, and Anguissa may be able to do several of these things, so you kind of answered your own question.

As for the 'when', given that we are approaching match day 2 I don't really see the reason to worry. If they (Lemina/Anguissa) are good enough they will be starting within a few weeks at the very least. None of them has had as much time to train under Parker as for example TC and Reed, and as such Parker may opt to stick with the latter for another few games depending on performances. He has to balance the experience of playing in this system with the other players against the individual quality of the players, especially since we had almost no pre season.

 


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Re: Loyalty to Reed and TC costing us?
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2020, 09:50:19 AM »
For me Cairney is a bit too slow and one footed to cut it in the Prem, hope I'm wrong as he has been a brilliant player for us in the past but when you see teams break from Midfield with pace, you know when Cairney plays at this level we wont be able to do that. You get more time on the ball in the Championship then you do in the Premier League.

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Re: Loyalty to Reed and TC costing us?
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2020, 09:51:06 AM »
As a long term supporter of FFC I am never sure of myself regarding player selections based upon one game, although there have been points in the Club's history where you just hoped and longed for the same eleven to turn out game after game without injury or interruption.  The midfield was ceratinly very lacking on Saturday and nobody had a good game in my opinion.  Was that nervousness, the 12.30pm kick off time, being awestruck the first time our opponents showed us vulnerability in our own penalty box, or was it something else entirely e.g. the inconsistency that we saw throughout last season?

Parker cannot hope to get all his calls right at every game this season, and he already has experience of the perils the PL may hold for us throughout this season.  The new players will hopefully demonstrate their quality and claim selection on merit, whilst those who failed against Arsenal can come again, much stronger and mire resilient than last time.  What we need are players and a team that can be consistent both before, during and after a game so that the coach hasn't got an impossible workload to manage and little time between games to find problems and fix them.   I am not disheartened post Arsenal.

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Re: Loyalty to Reed and TC costing us?
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2020, 09:52:37 AM »
Everyone one was crying out for us to sign Reed, way too early to make a judgement on him. He will need to be commanding in the Prem, which I think he will be.


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Re: Loyalty to Reed and TC costing us?
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2020, 10:02:32 AM »
Reed was not good on Saturday. Not good.

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Re: Loyalty to Reed and TC costing us?
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2020, 10:03:06 AM »
Everton are, have always been and, unless FFP is completely scrapped, always will be, a much bigger club than us. So we are shopping at different stores. Different levels. That is fine, but we need to keep that in mind.

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Re: Loyalty to Reed and TC costing us?
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2020, 10:07:44 AM »
Last season our three best players were Reed and Hector and Mitro.

After one game against Arsenal Reed and Hector are no longer good enough. I think we need to maybe give it a little bit of time. Yes we need a centre half and have needed one for some time. But one bad game against a top Prem side does not mean we need to throw the bath at the baby and drown it in bath water.


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Re: Loyalty to Reed and TC costing us?
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2020, 10:14:34 AM »

After one game against Arsenal Reed and Hector are no longer good enough. I think we need to maybe give it a little bit of time. Yes we need a centre half and have needed one for some time. But one bad game against a top Prem side does not mean we need to throw the bath at the baby and drown it in bath water.

And this too (obviously!).

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Re: Loyalty to Reed and TC costing us?
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2020, 10:15:09 AM »
Reed was not good on Saturday. Not good.

Strange that 3 papers made him our mom then.😕

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Re: Loyalty to Reed and TC costing us?
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2020, 10:37:55 AM »
The team on Saturday is highly unlikely to be the team which will be our preferred 11 in a few weeks time and certainly not by the end of the season.
It was an introduction to the Prem from one of the sides who finished the season well last year and with some new additions and lets not forget a completely new experience for a lot of our team. Yes we need to improve and a few of our players were found wanting, but let us have had a few more games before we all start saying they are not good enough.


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Re: Loyalty to Reed and TC costing us?
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2020, 10:38:30 AM »
Only one match against an excellent side packed full of skilful individuals who are on the up and brimming with confidence.
Certainly we have much to improve on collectively and individually but certainly not replace all 11!
Objectively Reed was one of our best performers throughout his time with us last season for many reasons, not least his attitude so no he is not costing us. Cairney is arguably our most creative player and if we do survive, or better still thive, his creativity will play an important part. Hard to be creative when a side is struggling however.
No problem about the OP asking the question but the title could be better. Certainly most of our team could do better - the question is can Scotty and the players actually perform better? At this early stage I still have faith.

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Re: Loyalty to Reed and TC costing us?
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2020, 10:40:29 AM »
I don't think Cairney is good enough for the Premier League, it's too fast paced for his style. He's used to more time on the ball. I hope he proves me wrong though.

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Re: Loyalty to Reed and TC costing us?
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2020, 10:52:40 AM »
I don’t think it would’ve mattered who we played at CM against that in form arsenal team because we would’ve lost. Also don’t think they’ll necessarily cost us against Leeds either - from memory Reed bossed the game at Elland Road when we restarted the season, and this time he’s going to have reinforcements in midfield with him and hopefully better players around him, whereas Leeds still haven’t made any improvements in centre midfield.

I have doubts over TC at this level because of how he’s thrived in a league where’s he’s been part of one of the best teams in the league over several years and had time on the ball to dictate play, whereas I think at this level he needs to have more physicality which I don’t think he possesses and he’s not going to get as much time on the ball in the PL. Obviously I hope he proves me wrong though and has a really good season for us, I think two DM’s at this level to do the dirty work with him being more advanced will help us though


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Re: Loyalty to Reed and TC costing us?
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2020, 10:59:13 AM »
I don't think Cairney is good enough for the Premier League, it's too fast paced for his style. He's used to more time on the ball. I hope he proves me wrong though.

A good player will.make his own tome in the ball, let's hope he can adept

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Re: Loyalty to Reed and TC costing us?
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2020, 11:03:16 AM »
Can't believe anyone is being critical of Reed after one match, since the Wembley final we have all been crying out for TK to get his signature.

Our midfield is critical and effects both attack and defense but Parker now has a reasonable choice of players, Cairney , Reed, Onamah, Lemina, Anguissa, Johansen and McDonald. We should not fail to find three from that bunch to form a good engine room.

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Re: Loyalty to Reed and TC costing us?
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2020, 11:03:29 AM »
Reed was not good on Saturday. Not good.
it would be quicker to say who was good than who wasn’t from Saturdays game, such was arsenals dominance in every position. Let’s see what reed can do with our upgrades when they finally play. Personally think reed will look better with anguissa carrying more of the work load than josh did on Saturday. 


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Re: Loyalty to Reed and TC costing us?
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2020, 11:06:20 AM »
Can't believe anyone is being critical of Reed after one match, since the Wembley final we have all been crying out for TK to get his signature.

Our midfield is critical and effects both attack and defense but Parker now has a reasonable choice of players, Cairney , Reed, Onamah, Lemina, Anguissa, Johansen and McDonald. We should not fail to find three from that bunch to form a good engine room.
i believe it is possible to be critical of a performance from anyone game, for example I don’t think reed did have a great game, as did many others, but he will still be one of my first choice picks for the Leeds game.

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Re: Loyalty to Reed and TC costing us?
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2020, 11:27:22 AM »
Absolutely criticism is one thing and it will take time to adjust to moving up a level for all players. So let’s see what happens. Scotty parker can be a support to the players here
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