Anguissa: Merged

[Cookie6262]

Madness is continuing to do the things that have failed previously, Anguissa matches this description

By that argument we should also get rid of Tete,Tosin,Reed,Seri,Mitro,Robinson who were all just as ineffectual as Anguissa in our last couple of Premier League seasons 👍

Were they? that is your opinion, and they have only played one relegation campaign, not two. The biggest difference, however, is that the players you name actually want to play for the club.

And everything mentioned about Anguissa is opinion as well... all I'm saying is a lot of people stating on this thread he should go because he was ineffectual and yes it's my opinion that a lot more players fall into that category when we have been in the Prem, you are obviously well within your rights to belief that we have had alot of effective players in our recent prem adventures I just disagree.

[FreiBird]

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"This could have been a thread about Seri a year ago. Many posters forget very quickly. "

Yes - agreed but some were incredibly pleased and quick to admit they had got it wrong about Seri when he really began to contribute and looked like he wanted to play for us

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"Also, what does it mean to have a positive impact on a result? Is it only goals and assists? Or is it something just arbitrarily used against players we don't like?"

Well , whilst goals and assists go a long way of course they are not the full story. Blocks , tackles , interceptions, creating space etc etc all have a bearing. An example that immediately comes to mind would be Ollie Norwood's fantastic block at Wembley ( potentially a game changer ) . My earlier post reflected on the fact that I couldn't remember anything Frank has done that I found memorable. It's not about liking /not liking players it's how we individually see and value their contribution. We are all different - and as I said if a far better football brain than mine - Silva wants him back I cannot argue. Sting - think about your own opinion of Reed ( who you don't see to rate from what I can gather from your previous posts ) and imagine that others might feel the same about the mercurial Anguissa.
Just my humble opinion of course

This is my memory of Zambo too. I keep asking myself whether I am forgetting something or filtering my recollections.  he always looked a neat and tidy player but I struggle to recall goals, assists, tackles and blocks, gut busting runs back to defend, defence unlocking passes or forward runs resulting in an opening or ending with a contructive pass.  I just think he flatters to deceive.

lol what?

He had the second most assists in the team.

He made the 7th most tackles in the prem, joint with Ngolo Kante, on 87.

He made the 10th most interceptions in the prem, joint with Soucek, on 55.

Joint 11th for passes between defenders into open space in the prem.

Joint 10th for successful dribbles which lead to a shot in the prem.

I get people not wanting him because he doesn't care if we stay up or not, but people acting like he's not easily the most talented player in the squad are laughable.

Ok I can't be bothered to check your stats but I can only rely on my memories.  I don't think that calling me laughable is very grown up and certainly adds nothing to the debate.As a ST I saw plenty of Zambo and my recollection is of a tidy player who made little impact. I'm fine if you disagree and have different memories of watching him but please don't resort to juvenile comments.

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Look them up if you want.

I wasn't call you as a person laughable, I was calling the idea that people are acting like he's not the most talented player in the squad laughable, as it's actually laughter eliciting. Millwall's Jed Wallce summed it up perfectly when he said "when have you ever heard of a Championship player being loaned out to Napoli?"

The only season he played in front of crowds was his first season where he objectively struggled in a terrible team. He excelled at Villareal and Napoli. Had a good season last year in a poorly managed team that could not score. It's just facts.

[FreiBird]

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"This could have been a thread about Seri a year ago. Many posters forget very quickly. "

Yes - agreed but some were incredibly pleased and quick to admit they had got it wrong about Seri when he really began to contribute and looked like he wanted to play for us

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"Also, what does it mean to have a positive impact on a result? Is it only goals and assists? Or is it something just arbitrarily used against players we don't like?"

Well , whilst goals and assists go a long way of course they are not the full story. Blocks , tackles , interceptions, creating space etc etc all have a bearing. An example that immediately comes to mind would be Ollie Norwood's fantastic block at Wembley ( potentially a game changer ) . My earlier post reflected on the fact that I couldn't remember anything Frank has done that I found memorable. It's not about liking /not liking players it's how we individually see and value their contribution. We are all different - and as I said if a far better football brain than mine - Silva wants him back I cannot argue. Sting - think about your own opinion of Reed ( who you don't see to rate from what I can gather from your previous posts ) and imagine that others might feel the same about the mercurial Anguissa.
Just my humble opinion of course

This is my memory of Zambo too. I keep asking myself whether I am forgetting something or filtering my recollections.  he always looked a neat and tidy player but I struggle to recall goals, assists, tackles and blocks, gut busting runs back to defend, defence unlocking passes or forward runs resulting in an opening or ending with a contructive pass.  I just think he flatters to deceive.

lol what?

He had the second most assists in the team.

He made the 7th most tackles in the prem, joint with Ngolo Kante, on 87.

He made the 10th most interceptions in the prem, joint with Soucek, on 55.

Joint 11th for passes between defenders into open space in the prem.

Joint 10th for successful dribbles which lead to a shot in the prem.

I get people not wanting him because he doesn't care if we stay up or not, but people acting like he's not easily the most talented player in the squad are laughable.

Wonderful how you quote 10th bests and 11th bests.....who ever remembered the 10th best at anything. The problem is so many Fulham fans accept this as "good". He is a very average Prem player who doesn't want to be at Fulham. Let him go, we are best off without him.

It's like so many fans who say they are happy in The Championship, because we do better there.....rather than stepping up and testing ourselves against the best, as we did for 13 years.

"who ever remembered the 10th best at anything. The problem is so many Fulham fans accept this as "good". The prem is the most talent filled league in the world, we have a player who was top 10 in several important categories, beating out over 500 players, while playing in a team that created absolutely nothing, and he's not good enough for Fulham hahaahaha.

[@jolslover]

This post is so strange .. Clearly have some personal vendetta against him

Good player

[Whitestone]

This post is so strange .. Clearly have some personal vendetta against him

Good player

Agree with your comments. There were some posters who  were anti Seri in exactly the same way prior to this season. I don't get it. Anguissa is easily the best midfielder we have, though I doubt we'll see him in a white shirt again.

[Woolly Mammoth]

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"This could have been a thread about Seri a year ago. Many posters forget very quickly. "

Yes - agreed but some were incredibly pleased and quick to admit they had got it wrong about Seri when he really began to contribute and looked like he wanted to play for us

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"Also, what does it mean to have a positive impact on a result? Is it only goals and assists? Or is it something just arbitrarily used against players we don't like?"

Well , whilst goals and assists go a long way of course they are not the full story. Blocks , tackles , interceptions, creating space etc etc all have a bearing. An example that immediately comes to mind would be Ollie Norwood's fantastic block at Wembley ( potentially a game changer ) . My earlier post reflected on the fact that I couldn't remember anything Frank has done that I found memorable. It's not about liking /not liking players it's how we individually see and value their contribution. We are all different - and as I said if a far better football brain than mine - Silva wants him back I cannot argue. Sting - think about your own opinion of Reed ( who you don't see to rate from what I can gather from your previous posts ) and imagine that others might feel the same about the mercurial Anguissa.
Just my humble opinion of course

This is my memory of Zambo too. I keep asking myself whether I am forgetting something or filtering my recollections.  he always looked a neat and tidy player but I struggle to recall goals, assists, tackles and blocks, gut busting runs back to defend, defence unlocking passes or forward runs resulting in an opening or ending with a contructive pass.  I just think he flatters to deceive.

lol what?

He had the second most assists in the team.

He made the 7th most tackles in the prem, joint with Ngolo Kante, on 87.

He made the 10th most interceptions in the prem, joint with Soucek, on 55.

Joint 11th for passes between defenders into open space in the prem.

Joint 10th for successful dribbles which lead to a shot in the prem.

I get people not wanting him because he doesn't care if we stay up or not, but people acting like he's not easily the most talented player in the squad are laughable.

Wonderful how you quote 10th bests and 11th bests.....who ever remembered the 10th best at anything. The problem is so many Fulham fans accept this as "good". He is a very average Prem player who doesn't want to be at Fulham. Let him go, we are best off without him.

It's like so many fans who say they are happy in The Championship, because we do better there.....rather than stepping up and testing ourselves against the best, as we did for 13 years.

"who ever remembered the 10th best at anything. The problem is so many Fulham fans accept this as "good". The prem is the most talent filled league in the world, we have a player who was top 10 in several important categories, beating out over 500 players, while playing in a team that created absolutely nothing, and he's not good enough for Fulham hahaahaha.

Zambo could have been a Talisman at Fulham with his ability and physique, and even a cult hero.
But because what i consider to be the wrong mentality and personality. He chose to be a big time charlie with the wrong attitude and manner, not helped by a body language that showed he couldn't be arsed.
Then to confirm there were no doubts about these deductions, it appeared that he would not play for his employers and team mates in the Championship both times we were relegated in a team he went down with.

Very disappointing and can fracture a dressing room. He must have been an absolute bundle of laughs in the dressing room and at the players annual jolly.
Never saw him smile, never saw him break sweat either come to think about it.
A shame in some ways, but it was not Fulhams best ever signing because of the size of the fee, the Khans were well and truly mugged there and we will never get our moneys worth out of him on and off the pitch.
Best for all to cut ties, cut our losses and move on.

If he comes back and plays, he will have to change which i don't think he can, it just the way he is, the way he is made, he will have a lot of catching up to do to win me over.

[Deeping_white]

Speaking from a purely factual basis, Anguissa was far better than Reed but because Reed runs about more like a headless chicken, people seem to think he's the better player. Anguissa's attacking and defensive contributions are better for almost every metric you could measure last season (assists, chances created, shots on target, tackles, interceptions etc.). He was also the best player in the team until January when he got Covid and his form (like the entire squad) quickly tailed of at the end of the season. I would be very surprised if we replace him with similar quality for €15m. Also quite funny that people write him off considering last season was under Parker where literally everyone got stifled of any creativity (and we've since accepted as much in the cases of Seri/Kebano/Mitro et al); imagine what he could do under Silva who would know how to use a player of his skillset, but it looks like people will get their wish of him leaving this summer. Never fear though; we'll likely have a 9 man bench next season with Chalobah and Onomah on it instead - lucky us!

[Sting of the North]

Interesting that a lot of posters that seemingly don't know anything about what has actually happened outside of the obvious (that we have loaned him out) still is convinced that there is something wrong with Anguissa's mentality. It's always strange to me when people base arguments on what is seemingly entirely made up stuff.

There may be something wrong, and Anguissa might not want to play for us, but we don't know that. The other players may not want him back, but we don't know that either. I am confident that Silva is better placed to assess whether or not Anguissa can contribute to the team both on and off the pitch and as such I feel no need to try to fabricate reasons as to why or why not he should stay or go.

Instead, I prefer to base my own assessment on his skills as a footballer, since that is something I can actually observe (although of course not to the same level as the people working with football every day). Based on that, I would love him back, since I am convinced that he is our best midfielder even though he is by no means a complete player. Silva will of course be better placed than me in this department as well, but at least I can base my argument on something that actually exists (eye test, stats, playing style preference etc.).

But to each their own.

[Hugh Gentry]

Interesting that a lot of posters that seemingly don't know anything about what has actually happened outside of the obvious (that we have loaned him out) still is convinced that there is something wrong with Anguissa's mentality. It's always strange to me when people base arguments on what is seemingly entirely made up stuff.

There may be something wrong, and Anguissa might not want to play for us, but we don't know that. The other players may not want him back, but we don't know that either. I am confident that Silva is better placed to assess whether or not Anguissa can contribute to the team both on and off the pitch and as such I feel no need to try to fabricate reasons as to why or why not he should stay or go.

Instead, I prefer to base my own assessment on his skills as a footballer, since that is something I can actually observe (although of course not to the same level as the people working with football every day). Based on that, I would love him back, since I am convinced that he is our best midfielder even though he is by no means a complete player. Silva will of course be better placed than me in this department as well, but at least I can base my argument on something that actually exists (eye test, stats, playing style preference etc.).

But to each their own.

I think the majority of people base their opinion on what they see, you are not unique. Most people also see a player who's style doesn't really suit English football, have you ever thought that he gets loaned out because no other club is prepared to stump up the cash for him?? Apparenty he had a fantastic year in Spain last yer, but they didn't want to buy him, apparently he has had a wonderful year in Naples this year, but they still haven't committed to buy him.....these are also facts.

[Sting of the North]

Or, they loan him because they can't afford to buy him. It's quite common. But I guess you know that.

People that state that he is bad for the dressing room, or has a bad attitude don't base that on what they see. Which is what my post was about.

[FFC1987]

Or, they loan him because they can't afford to buy him. It's quite common. But I guess you know that.

People that state that he is bad for the dressing room, or has a bad attitude don't base that on what they see. Which is what my post was about.

I must admit, I questioned his attitude at start of season. Twice going out on loan rather than fighting to get us up when I feel, he was part and parcel of why we went down.....

That was completely driven by sentiment and the annoyance he wouldn't be with us tearing apart the championship though. I think the reality is, we like him, want him playing for us next season so loaned him out to keep in line with FFP on the wages front rather than to keep a nice dressing room or no one wanting to buy him. To anyone not liking him. I appreciate opinions, but if you think Anguissa coming back to our squad, currently, wouldn't be our best midfielder in the squad, you're straight up delusional. 

[Hugh Gentry]

Or, they loan him because they can't afford to buy him. It's quite common. But I guess you know that.

People that state that he is bad for the dressing room, or has a bad attitude don't base that on what they see. Which is what my post was about.

People have said they don't like his style of play, what has that got to do with the dressing room. If he was that good people would find a way of affording him. We can do better.....time to let go and not try and making something work for a 3rd time when it has failed twice already.

[Sting of the North]

Or, they loan him because they can't afford to buy him. It's quite common. But I guess you know that.

People that state that he is bad for the dressing room, or has a bad attitude don't base that on what they see. Which is what my post was about.

People have said they don't like his style of play, what has that got to do with the dressing room. If he was that good people would find a way of affording him. We can do better.....time to let go and not try and making something work for a 3rd time when it has failed twice already.

You do know there are several posts in this thread right? Maybe read them if you don't understand what I am addressing. As for the rest, you are free to your opinion, and I am free to think that you are so wrong that I don't even know where to begin.

Cheers

[Hugh Gentry]

Or, they loan him because they can't afford to buy him. It's quite common. But I guess you know that.

People that state that he is bad for the dressing room, or has a bad attitude don't base that on what they see. Which is what my post was about.

People have said they don't like his style of play, what has that got to do with the dressing room. If he was that good people would find a way of affording him. We can do better.....time to let go and not try and making something work for a 3rd time when it has failed twice already.

You do know there are several posts in this thread right? Maybe read them if you don't understand what I am addressing. As for the rest, you are free to your opinion, and I am free to think that you are so wrong that I don't even know where to begin.

Cheers

Isn't getting it wrong twice and trying the same for a 3rd time adressing why YOU are so wrong?

[70sPimlico]

I think this is probably just one of those agree to disagree type of issues.....but, just to say that a lot of the posters are saying the same things about Anguissa as they did about Seri.
I just read a few from way back. A quick search on keywords was quite funny.

Seri apparently is "a mercenary", "cowardly", "waste of space" "toxic' and one particular poster keeps referencing his lack of courage and you wouldn't want him in the trenches.

Fast forward 1 and 2 seasons ands Seri is being serenaded by the whole ground, lifted shoulder high by the players and his name being sung by all the players in the dressing room.

I base what I see on a football pitch. We should have stayed up last season. My view is the tactics were wrong and the players weren't used to their strengths. If I was a pro footballer, I would have been well pissed off with how the team was coached and there's no way I would want to hang around.

[Sting of the North]

Or, they loan him because they can't afford to buy him. It's quite common. But I guess you know that.

People that state that he is bad for the dressing room, or has a bad attitude don't base that on what they see. Which is what my post was about.

People have said they don't like his style of play, what has that got to do with the dressing room. If he was that good people would find a way of affording him. We can do better.....time to let go and not try and making something work for a 3rd time when it has failed twice already.

You do know there are several posts in this thread right? Maybe read them if you don't understand what I am addressing. As for the rest, you are free to your opinion, and I am free to think that you are so wrong that I don't even know where to begin.

Cheers

Isn't getting it wrong twice and trying the same for a 3rd time adressing why YOU are so wrong?

Short answer, no you haven't really addressed almost any of the actual points of my posts.

But to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you still want to discuss (even if it's not really what I was discussing), this wouldn't be to try the same thing for the third time, unless you believe that all other circumstances are basically the same. Do you believe that?

[Somerset Fulham]

Zambo could have been a Talisman at Fulham with his ability and physique, and even a cult hero.
But because what i consider to be the wrong mentality and personality. He chose to be a big time charlie with the wrong attitude and manner, not helped by a body language that showed he couldn't be arsed.
Then to confirm there were no doubts about these deductions, it appeared that he would not play for his employers and team mates in the Championship both times we were relegated in a team he went down with.

Very disappointing and can fracture a dressing room. He must have been an absolute bundle of laughs in the dressing room and at the players annual jolly.
Never saw him smile, never saw him break sweat either come to think about it.
A shame in some ways, but it was not Fulhams best ever signing because of the size of the fee, the Khans were well and truly mugged there and we will never get our moneys worth out of him on and off the pitch.
Best for all to cut ties, cut our losses and move on.

If he comes back and plays, he will have to change which i don't think he can, it just the way he is, the way he is made, he will have a lot of catching up to do to win me over.

The bit in bold didn't happen, the OP who has some strange kind of agenda made it up.

We also don't know that Napoli didn't just come straight in with an offer for him rather than him agitating for a move away after all he did play in the Championship.  I do agree the latter is probably more likely but we don't know it.

[MartyFFC]

He's been an uninspiring part of 2 sides that have been relegated. And these arguments about it costing 40 million to replace him, well in essence there's nothing to replace; and not even the 11th highest number of diagonal runs in his own half will convince me his return would be a good idea. Time to move on Zambo, thanks for your brief flashes of mediocrity and apparent indifference

[LittleErn]

Interesting that a lot of posters that seemingly don't know anything about what has actually happened outside of the obvious (that we have loaned him out) still is convinced that there is something wrong with Anguissa's mentality. It's always strange to me when people base arguments on what is seemingly entirely made up stuff.

There may be something wrong, and Anguissa might not want to play for us, but we don't know that. The other players may not want him back, but we don't know that either. I am confident that Silva is better placed to assess whether or not Anguissa can contribute to the team both on and off the pitch and as such I feel no need to try to fabricate reasons as to why or why not he should stay or go.

Instead, I prefer to base my own assessment on his skills as a footballer, since that is something I can actually observe (although of course not to the same level as the people working with football every day). Based on that, I would love him back, since I am convinced that he is our best midfielder even though he is by no means a complete player. Silva will of course be better placed than me in this department as well, but at least I can base my argument on something that actually exists (eye test, stats, playing style preference etc.).

But to each their own.

Well said.

[Woolly Mammoth]

He's been an uninspiring part of 2 sides that have been relegated. And these arguments about it costing 40 million to replace him, well in essence there's nothing to replace; and not even the 11th highest number of diagonal runs in his own half will convince me his return would be a good idea. Time to move on Zambo, thanks for your brief flashes of mediocrity and apparent indifference

Well said