Are we interested in the World Cup Now

[Lester Burnham]

We will never win anything with Southgate in charge.

We lost. Get over it.

What a ridiculous statement. He's been by far the best manager we've had in over 40 years. We dominated France and had Kane scored the second penalty everyone would be celebrating.

His record in tournaments is semi final, final and quarter final. The players love him and he's grounded and sensible.

We deserved to be in the semis based on tactics. The fault of us not at least going to extra time is purely on harry Kanes shoulders. In my opinion he should've not taken the second penalty and let someone fresher take it. He misjudged his responsibility as captain and striker and having buried one should have let someone else go for it - Rashford would've buried it.

I think Southgate is the best man for the job by a country mile and should at least have a second stab at the next euros.

People have very short memories it seems. We went through tonnes of international managers and England managers trying to get results for the national team and they all fell significantly short time and time again with our golden generation.

Southgate has nurtured a lot of the players in this group from a young age and has developed incredible trust and working relationships and gets the best out of players even when they're underperforming at club level (a la maguire and even Pickford at times).

I remember constantly referencing players in the past - the likes of lampard, ferdinand etc who used to say club football for them was more important than national team football and now we actually have it the other way round which is how it should be.

Not only that but they understand and represent English and British  values admirably on top of being a down to earth and grounded group of players.

For this group being England teammates comes before club rivalries. Seems trivial but so many managers failed to manage that dynamic which is one of the simplest.

And you want tk give it to Pochettino?  An Argentinean who's never managed at international level and is completely untried. Ridiculous.

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[Baszab]

We will never win anything with Southgate in charge.

We lost. Get over it.

What a ridiculous statement. He's been by far the best manager we've had in over 40 years. We dominated France and had Kane scored the second penalty everyone would be celebrating.

His record in tournaments is semi final, final and quarter final. The players love him and he's grounded and sensible.

We deserved to be in the semis based on tactics. The fault of us not at least going to extra time is purely on harry Kanes shoulders. In my opinion he should've not taken the second penalty and let someone fresher take it. He misjudged his responsibility as captain and striker and having buried one should have let someone else go for it - Rashford would've buried it.

I think Southgate is the best man for the job by a country mile and should at least have a second stab at the next euros.

People have very short memories it seems. We went through tonnes of international managers and England managers trying to get results for the national team and they all fell significantly short time and time again with our golden generation.

Southgate has nurtured a lot of the players in this group from a young age and has developed incredible trust and working relationships and gets the best out of players even when they're underperforming at club level (a la maguire and even Pickford at times).

I remember constantly referencing players in the past - the likes of lampard, ferdinand etc who used to say club football for them was more important than national team football and now we actually have it the other way round which is how it should be.

Not only that but they understand and represent English and British  values admirably on top of being a down to earth and grounded group of players.

For this group being England teammates comes before club rivalries. Seems trivial but so many managers failed to manage that dynamic which is one of the simplest.

And you want tk give it to Pochettino?  An Argentinean who's never managed at international level and is completely untried. Ridiculous.

100% agree

[alfie]

We will never win anything with Southgate in charge.

We lost. Get over it.

What a ridiculous statement. He's been by far the best manager we've had in over 40 years. We dominated France and had Kane scored the second penalty everyone would be celebrating.

His record in tournaments is semi final, final and quarter final. The players love him and he's grounded and sensible.

We deserved to be in the semis based on tactics. The fault of us not at least going to extra time is purely on harry Kanes shoulders. In my opinion he should've not taken the second penalty and let someone fresher take it. He misjudged his responsibility as captain and striker and having buried one should have let someone else go for it - Rashford would've buried it.

I think Southgate is the best man for the job by a country mile and should at least have a second stab at the next euros.

People have very short memories it seems. We went through tonnes of international managers and England managers trying to get results for the national team and they all fell significantly short time and time again with our golden generation.

Southgate has nurtured a lot of the players in this group from a young age and has developed incredible trust and working relationships and gets the best out of players even when they're underperforming at club level (a la maguire and even Pickford at times).

I remember constantly referencing players in the past - the likes of lampard, ferdinand etc who used to say club football for them was more important than national team football and now we actually have it the other way round which is how it should be.

Not only that but they understand and represent English and British  values admirably on top of being a down to earth and grounded group of players.

For this group being England teammates comes before club rivalries. Seems trivial but so many managers failed to manage that dynamic which is one of the simplest.

And you want tk give it to Pochettino?  An Argentinean who's never managed at international level and is completely untried. Ridiculous.

100% agree

If someone else took the penalty and missed, everyone will be having a go because Kane didn't take it.

[filham]

OAs fans our main interest was watching each England match but now we are out I think the /France final will be worth watching.
Surely Croatia and Morocco are not going to cause further upsets.

[filham]

Argentina to beat Croatia tonight I think but it will be interesting to compare Messi and Modric. My favourite is Modric and it is just possible he could prove a match winner.

[FulhamKC]

Messi just showed how to take a proper penalty.

[SP]

Nice to have a decent ref so we can just enjoy the football, this guy isn't taking nonsense from any of the players.

[Ronnief]

Listening to the pundits on ITV they say that wasn't a foul and shouldn't have been a penalty. Well they are the experts! 092.gif

[Hugh Gentry]

Listening to the pundits on ITV they say that wasn't a foul and shouldn't have been a penalty. Well they are the experts! 092.gif

I agree, he just stood his ground

[Stoneleigh Loyalist]

Stats show that there have only been seven fouls in the first half. Surprising in a match like this and perhaps a professional foul would have stopped the second goal.
How the ITV 'Experts' can say that the first goal was not a penalty I just cannot think. Think of the riot had it not been given.

[filham]

Some lssons for England in that match.
You can lose the midfield battle with a watertight back four and  by quick direct direct breaks into attack.

No doubt Agentina deserve their place in the final and a clash with France is going to be well worth watching.
Sorry but To match these teams England need an overhaul.

[FFC1987]

We will never win anything with Southgate in charge.

We lost. Get over it.

What a ridiculous statement. He's been by far the best manager we've had in over 40 years. We dominated France and had Kane scored the second penalty everyone would be celebrating.

His record in tournaments is semi final, final and quarter final. The players love him and he's grounded and sensible.

We deserved to be in the semis based on tactics. The fault of us not at least going to extra time is purely on harry Kanes shoulders. In my opinion he should've not taken the second penalty and let someone fresher take it. He misjudged his responsibility as captain and striker and having buried one should have let someone else go for it - Rashford would've buried it.

I think Southgate is the best man for the job by a country mile and should at least have a second stab at the next euros.

People have very short memories it seems. We went through tonnes of international managers and England managers trying to get results for the national team and they all fell significantly short time and time again with our golden generation.

Southgate has nurtured a lot of the players in this group from a young age and has developed incredible trust and working relationships and gets the best out of players even when they're underperforming at club level (a la maguire and even Pickford at times).

I remember constantly referencing players in the past - the likes of lampard, ferdinand etc who used to say club football for them was more important than national team football and now we actually have it the other way round which is how it should be.

Not only that but they understand and represent English and British  values admirably on top of being a down to earth and grounded group of players.

For this group being England teammates comes before club rivalries. Seems trivial but so many managers failed to manage that dynamic which is one of the simplest.

And you want tk give it to Pochettino?  An Argentinean who's never managed at international level and is completely untried. Ridiculous.

Sorry but I have to disagree with Southgate being fantastic and done anything more than ok to good as manager. Good is probably fairer without context with tournament standings but I think we get found out against even marginally good opposition and Southgate has an unhealthy habit of being very stale in both his approach at times and his inability to change a game be it through tactical subs, or formation changes. Don't get me wrong, I like Southgate for what he's done, how he conducts himself and the manner in which he turned things around during turbulent times but I just don't think he's the man to take us to any silverware. I personally think the teams good enough, certainly versatile enough but we rely on same players, regardless of club form, irrespective of how actual form players are doing and I think it shows. He will remain to be seen as a nearly man or a man who was close but with no cigar. This tweet probably portrays my point about fortunate we've been with draws etc

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World Cup 18:
Tunisia
Panama
Belgium ❌
Colombia (pens)
Sweden
Croatia ❌
Belgium (again) ❌

Euro 21:
Croatia
Scotland (draw)
Czech Republic
Germany (👍)
Ukraine
Denmark (extra time)
Italy ❌

World Cup 22:
Iran
USA (draw)
Wales
Senegal
France ❌

That tells you everything…

— The72 - We Love the #EFL (@_The72) December 11, 2022

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As well as the above, I don't really like how we play most of the time. It can often be quite turgid, too defensive, and ultimately predictable. Among my other criticisms of his, I actually dislike the way we utilise Kane as well. Often seen playing alongside Rice and behind Bellingham in almost the 'QB' role of football, pinging balls about, and when the ball goes into the box, he's outside the 18 yard line. Seeing him make wide runs so he can cross a ball to the likes of Saka, Sterling, Foden and from set pieces, Maguire, is pretty painful. Doesn't take much common sense to see if you put Kane in the box, your odds of scoring go up dramatically. Kane plays this role really well, but decent sides close it out and we just don't adapt.

I'd like to see a more forward thinking manager, say Howe or, despite his reduced stock currently, Potter, who I wanted after the last Euro's. If he stays, I hope he brings it home, but I won't be betting any money on him achieving it. We've got such a bright future of talent coming through, I just don't see how Southgate will utilise it. Elloitt as an example. He should of gone to this world cup. Just for the experience of being in and around the setup. He'll be one of our future regulars with Bellingham. He clearly only chose Maddison to whoop up some good PR, but he never made it onto the pitch. A youth star whose playing champions league football and collecting accolades would of been better suited. Anyway, that's my two pence.

[filham]

Should be a walk in the park for France tonight with them saving the big effort for Argentina , looking forward to a few good goals.

[White Knight]

Should be a walk in the park for France tonight with them saving the big effort for Argentina , looking forward to a few good goals.

Not sure it will be a walk in the park, many of Morocco s previous victims or should i say opponents probably thought the same.

It will certainly be an interesting spectacle and let us hope it will be entertaining. 

If England cannot beat France, (and England deserved to beat France, but the Brazilian referee had other ideas), then i cannot see any other team beating them.

Argentina will do their best to cheat their way to a win, and of course France are part of FIFA S little inner circle of favourite countries who cannot do any wrong.

So depends on the size of the contents of the brown envelopes that may be exchanging hands and who is currently scratching whose back.

[Willham]

We will never win anything with Southgate in charge.

We lost. Get over it.

What a ridiculous statement. He's been by far the best manager we've had in over 40 years. We dominated France and had Kane scored the second penalty everyone would be celebrating.

His record in tournaments is semi final, final and quarter final. The players love him and he's grounded and sensible.

We deserved to be in the semis based on tactics. The fault of us not at least going to extra time is purely on harry Kanes shoulders. In my opinion he should've not taken the second penalty and let someone fresher take it. He misjudged his responsibility as captain and striker and having buried one should have let someone else go for it - Rashford would've buried it.

I think Southgate is the best man for the job by a country mile and should at least have a second stab at the next euros.

People have very short memories it seems. We went through tonnes of international managers and England managers trying to get results for the national team and they all fell significantly short time and time again with our golden generation.

Southgate has nurtured a lot of the players in this group from a young age and has developed incredible trust and working relationships and gets the best out of players even when they're underperforming at club level (a la maguire and even Pickford at times).

I remember constantly referencing players in the past - the likes of lampard, ferdinand etc who used to say club football for them was more important than national team football and now we actually have it the other way round which is how it should be.

Not only that but they understand and represent English and British  values admirably on top of being a down to earth and grounded group of players.

For this group being England teammates comes before club rivalries. Seems trivial but so many managers failed to manage that dynamic which is one of the simplest.

And you want tk give it to Pochettino?  An Argentinean who's never managed at international level and is completely untried. Ridiculous.

Sorry but I have to disagree with Southgate being fantastic and done anything more than ok to good as manager. Good is probably fairer without context with tournament standings but I think we get found out against even marginally good opposition and Southgate has an unhealthy habit of being very stale in both his approach at times and his inability to change a game be it through tactical subs, or formation changes. Don't get me wrong, I like Southgate for what he's done, how he conducts himself and the manner in which he turned things around during turbulent times but I just don't think he's the man to take us to any silverware. I personally think the teams good enough, certainly versatile enough but we rely on same players, regardless of club form, irrespective of how actual form players are doing and I think it shows. He will remain to be seen as a nearly man or a man who was close but with no cigar. This tweet probably portrays my point about fortunate we've been with draws etc

'

World Cup 18:
Tunisia
Panama
Belgium ❌
Colombia (pens)
Sweden
Croatia ❌
Belgium (again) ❌

Euro 21:
Croatia
Scotland (draw)
Czech Republic
Germany (👍)
Ukraine
Denmark (extra time)
Italy ❌

World Cup 22:
Iran
USA (draw)
Wales
Senegal
France ❌

That tells you everything…

— The72 - We Love the #EFL (@_The72) December 11, 2022

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As well as the above, I don't really like how we play most of the time. It can often be quite turgid, too defensive, and ultimately predictable. Among my other criticisms of his, I actually dislike the way we utilise Kane as well. Often seen playing alongside Rice and behind Bellingham in almost the 'QB' role of football, pinging balls about, and when the ball goes into the box, he's outside the 18 yard line. Seeing him make wide runs so he can cross a ball to the likes of Saka, Sterling, Foden and from set pieces, Maguire, is pretty painful. Doesn't take much common sense to see if you put Kane in the box, your odds of scoring go up dramatically. Kane plays this role really well, but decent sides close it out and we just don't adapt.

I'd like to see a more forward thinking manager, say Howe or, despite his reduced stock currently, Potter, who I wanted after the last Euro's. If he stays, I hope he brings it home, but I won't be betting any money on him achieving it. We've got such a bright future of talent coming through, I just don't see how Southgate will utilise it. Elloitt as an example. He should of gone to this world cup. Just for the experience of being in and around the setup. He'll be one of our future regulars with Bellingham. He clearly only chose Maddison to whoop up some good PR, but he never made it onto the pitch. A youth star whose playing champions league football and collecting accolades would of been better suited. Anyway, that's my two pence.

100% agree with this

Southgate is parker 2.0

Out the gate!

[Somerset Fulham]

Should be a walk in the park for France tonight with them saving the big effort for Argentina , looking forward to a few good goals.

If England cannot beat France, (and England deserved to beat France, but the Brazilian referee had other ideas), then i cannot see any other team beating them.

Argentina will do their best to cheat their way to a win, and of course France are part of FIFA S little inner circle of favourite countries who cannot do any wrong.

So depends on the size of the contents of the brown envelopes that may be exchanging hands and who is currently scratching whose back.

This is quite, quite ridiculous.

[Steeeeeeeeeed]

Oh for the glory days of McClaren, Capello and (yes) Hodgson.

Southgate should stay for sure.

[Stoneleigh Loyalist]

This whistling when the French have the ball is driving me mad!

[sunburywhite]

Dont forget Southgate got us relegated from the Nations Cup whilst using his best squad members

Quite agree it is Parkerball 2.0, no flair, no risk. He should look at the example Stokes and McCullam have done with the cricket team

Oh for the days of Joe Mercer and exciting football

[FFC1987]

Oh for the glory days of McClaren, Capello and (yes) Hodgson.

Southgate should stay for sure.

This feels like a race to the bottom argument. If we deem Southgate as a good manager stacking him up against Sven, Capello, Roy and McClaren, sure, he's brilliant. But he's had 3 cracks of the whip now. In sporting metaphors, that's usually a good time to pass on the mantle. If he stays, we won't get any closer to a trophy in my opinion but I guess it depends what you want really. Do you want to be competitive and safe and probably get to Quarters and Semi's each tournament, playing at times, really lacklustre often backward football, or do we go with something with a bit more flair and take a chance on the fantastic attacking players we have coming through. I'd prefer to punch for glory than settle personally, but each to their own.