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Summer Silly Season Transfer Thread 2025

Started by Deeping_white, April 24, 2025, 05:08:09 PM

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Thailand Mick

#780
I know that PSR is a minefield to understand but one of the simple rules is that we can lose £105 million over a three year period which starts on the1st of July and finishes on the 30th of June.This means if we still had not reach our £105m limit then we need to spend that money by the 30th ofJune or we will lose the ability to do so.This also means we would not sell players until the 1st ofJuly unless we were at risk of breaking our limit.I believe we may have about 20m to spend before the 30th June which would be the money from our failed attempt to buy the player from France ondeadline Day.

SimonDaviesEnjoyer

Quote from: hopper on June 12, 2025, 05:49:59 PM
Quote from: SimonDaviesEnjoyer on June 12, 2025, 03:47:59 PM0.00% chance we get Bellanova.

I didn't watch much Atalanta except for their disappoint Brugge games, do you rate him highly?

Sorry didn't see this. Only saw him once, looked good, but more to the point his side finished 3rd in Serie A. He's a full Italian international and would be leaving a CL club for a mid table scrap in England.

Just doesn't smell realistic.

General

Quote from: jayffc on June 13, 2025, 09:06:58 AM
Quote from: Count Flapula on June 13, 2025, 08:40:38 AM
Quote from: jayffc on June 12, 2025, 09:08:19 PMTo be fair

Peter has good links to Fulham directly and is one of the more reputable journalists when it comes to us.

It might not add on top of what we know, but its likely based in truth even if it only confirms the club sees it as we do. Doesn't mention Palhinha or a desire for another DM which is interesting to me at least.

If he says we're interested in Bellanova it's possible we really are and that would be quite a scoop of it came off.

I wouldn't hold my breath on that though

That said, if we

Sold AP for 15/20m

And spent

30m on him at RB
10m on nelson
25m on someone like rios or less on willock
20m or less on a young striking option
5m on backup keeper

70m net range on transfer fees wouldn't be unheard of.

That's not unimaginable and for me would be



Hmm, does spending the highest figure on a RB out of all positions needed this summer feel right? Doesn't to me TBH.

Hoping Tete signs so we don't have to divert any of our finite transfer budget towards replacing him / we can instead channel those funds into upgrading positions where upgrades are more important such as CM or a goal scoring No.10/winger (we eventually need to sign another quality striker to compete with Muniz, but maybe that can wait a year seeing as Raul stayed).

At worst, I'd rather we sold Castagne to (at least) partly fund any deals for the likes of Bellanova / ANother.

That said, if Tete goes then maybe RB does need to be a marquee signing, not ideal though as I'm a big fan of Kenny and its opportunity cost to strengthen elsewhere.

It does if we lose the best ever Fulham right back in our history (imo) - goes without saying ideally Tete just signs a new contract but he'll have other options so up to him.

This Atlanta guy is quality from what I've seen of him and also playS RM very well so provides competition in 2 places as a potential starter.

Also money spent doesn't necessarily always equate to best player as we know, theres every chance at under that amount we can find top quality players in the other positions. Muniz/Adama/Willian/Raul came here for a fraction of that cost for example, so we don't have to necessarily spend huge to find quality in attacking positions. If this guy is available and a top target and we can find value elsewhere then I don't see why not.

That said....I'd be very surprised if we pull it off.

sorry, but whilst Tete is up there, I'd still have Steve Finnan in above him.


Jem

Quote from: RAY Rock on June 13, 2025, 03:27:48 PMIt's 2025 and your going on about something over 60 years ago start a thread about it . Leave this for transfer gossip 🙏. Looks like Liverpool are splashing serious serious money.
As a matter of interest what percentage of this thread is about transfers?
"When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun'."
― Groucho Marx

Coastwalker

Arsenal make opening bid of £46.8 million for Victor Gyokeres.
Can we outbid them. :slap:

hopper

Quote from: SimonDaviesEnjoyer on June 14, 2025, 08:23:40 AM
Quote from: hopper on June 12, 2025, 05:49:59 PM
Quote from: SimonDaviesEnjoyer on June 12, 2025, 03:47:59 PM0.00% chance we get Bellanova.

I didn't watch much Atalanta except for their disappoint Brugge games, do you rate him highly?

Sorry didn't see this. Only saw him once, looked good, but more to the point his side finished 3rd in Serie A. He's a full Italian international and would be leaving a CL club for a mid table scrap in England.

Just doesn't smell realistic.

Big transitional season for them though with Juric replacing Gasperini.

Could be possible, but not many Italian players like leaving Italy. If Peter Rutzler is reporting it we are definitely interested.

Sadly, it indicates Tete might be on his way out.


iansthailand

Quote from: Coastwalker on June 14, 2025, 10:27:47 AMArsenal make opening bid of £46.8 million for Victor Gyokeres.
Can we outbid them. :slap:
Only if we sell Leno, Andersen, Bassey, Robinson, Berge, Lukic, Wilson, Andreas and Iwobi. Play rush goalie and Raul, Muniz and Gyokeres do a lot of running

Bill2

Quote from: flyingfish on June 13, 2025, 04:05:12 PM
Quote from: Bill2 on June 13, 2025, 09:17:03 AMAll these pages yet we have signed no one. All these rumours but nothing and we seem to be competing with other Prem clubs for anyone.
And to be fair I have never heard of anyone we have been connected with and they are playing for clubs in the lower divisions in Europe.
Getting very frustrated.

Are you new to supporting Fulham?
:slap: Compared to sum probably, but I was at the game where Johnny Haynes was announced as the first £100 a week player, our first floodlit game and saw Pele play in that friendly. But in reality I suppose I should know better.

Angus Telford

#788
Quote from: Thailand Mick on June 14, 2025, 07:56:51 AMI know that PSR is a minefield to understand but one of the simple rules is that we can lose £105 million over a three year period which starts on the1st of July and finishes on the 30th of June.This means if we still had not reach our £105m limit then we need to spend that money by the 30th ofJune or we will lose the ability to do so.This also means we would not sell players until the 1st ofJuly unless we were at risk of breaking our limit.I believe we may have about 20m to spend before the 30th June which would be the money from our failed attempt to buy the player from France ondeadline Day.

It's a rolling three-year assessment period so i think the only way it would work like that is if we had a massive surplus in the 22-23 season (which is the season that'll be excluded from the next cycle) compared to other seasons. In reality I think that seasin was our highest net spend since promotion, not least because we had the Mitrovic and Palhinha sales in 23/24 and 24/25.


Thailand Mick

Quote from: Angus Telford on June 14, 2025, 04:27:33 PM
Quote from: Thailand Mick on June 14, 2025, 07:56:51 AMI know that PSR is a minefield to understand but one of the simple rules is that we can lose £105 million over a three year period which starts on the1st of July and finishes on the 30th of June.This means if we still had not reach our £105m limit then we need to spend that money by the 30th ofJune or we will lose the ability to do so.This also means we would not sell players until the 1st ofJuly unless we were at risk of breaking our limit.I believe we may have about 20m to spend before the 30th June which would be the money from our failed attempt to buy the player from France ondeadline Day.

It's a rolling three-year assessment period so i think the only way it would work like that is if we had a massive surplus in the 22-23 season (which is the season that'll be excluded from the next cycle) compared to other seasons. In reality I think that seasin was our highest net spend since promotion, not least because we had the Mitrovic and Palhinha sales in 23/24 and 24/25.
lets say we have an 85m loss between 2022-25 we cannot carry that 20m into the 2025-2028 cycle because we would still only be allowed to lose 105m in that 3 year cycle

iansthailand

Quote from: Thailand Mick on June 14, 2025, 04:55:45 PM
Quote from: Angus Telford on June 14, 2025, 04:27:33 PM
Quote from: Thailand Mick on June 14, 2025, 07:56:51 AMI know that PSR is a minefield to understand but one of the simple rules is that we can lose £105 million over a three year period which starts on the1st of July and finishes on the 30th of June.This means if we still had not reach our £105m limit then we need to spend that money by the 30th ofJune or we will lose the ability to do so.This also means we would not sell players until the 1st ofJuly unless we were at risk of breaking our limit.I believe we may have about 20m to spend before the 30th June which would be the money from our failed attempt to buy the player from France ondeadline Day.

It's a rolling three-year assessment period so i think the only way it would work like that is if we had a massive surplus in the 22-23 season (which is the season that'll be excluded from the next cycle) compared to other seasons. In reality I think that seasin was our highest net spend since promotion, not least because we had the Mitrovic and Palhinha sales in 23/24 and 24/25.
lets say we have an 85m loss between 2022-25 we cannot carry that 20m into the 2025-2028 cycle because we would still only be allowed to lose 105m in that 3 year cycle
Am i right in thinking we only had 91 million until 24/25. 13 from the Championship + 2 x 39 from Pl. We get the full amount from this coming season.

RDdubya

Quote from: iansthailand on June 14, 2025, 11:14:36 AM
Quote from: Coastwalker on June 14, 2025, 10:27:47 AMArsenal make opening bid of £46.8 million for Victor Gyokeres.
Can we outbid them. :slap:
Only if we sell Leno, Andersen, Bassey, Robinson, Berge, Lukic, Wilson, Andreas and Iwobi. Play rush goalie and Raul, Muniz and Gyokeres do a lot of running

With all the big name players complaining of the amount of games they have to play, maybe it's an advantage for us NOT making Europe? "Hey guys, come to FFC, you get London and lots of free time to rest and relax. And, you'll have to take a massive pay cut for the pleasure of that rest, you can't have your cake and eat it too!"
 :slap:  ::wink::


Angus Telford

#792
Quote from: Thailand Mick on June 14, 2025, 04:55:45 PM
Quote from: Angus Telford on June 14, 2025, 04:27:33 PM
Quote from: Thailand Mick on June 14, 2025, 07:56:51 AMI know that PSR is a minefield to understand but one of the simple rules is that we can lose £105 million over a three year period which starts on the1st of July and finishes on the 30th of June.This means if we still had not reach our £105m limit then we need to spend that money by the 30th ofJune or we will lose the ability to do so.This also means we would not sell players until the 1st ofJuly unless we were at risk of breaking our limit.I believe we may have about 20m to spend before the 30th June which would be the money from our failed attempt to buy the player from France ondeadline Day.

It's a rolling three-year assessment period so i think the only way it would work like that is if we had a massive surplus in the 22-23 season (which is the season that'll be excluded from the next cycle) compared to other seasons. In reality I think that seasin was our highest net spend since promotion, not least because we had the Mitrovic and Palhinha sales in 23/24 and 24/25.
lets say we have an 85m loss between 2022-25 we cannot carry that 20m into the 2025-2028 cycle because we would still only be allowed to lose 105m in that 3 year cycle

But if we were to spend that now (before 30 June) then we'd have £20m less to spend in the 2023-26 and 2024-27 cycles.

Drewry66

#793
The spend timing is surely less important than the sale as the spend gets amortised usually over 5 years. So we buy a £25m player it £5m a year going into 5 years worth of accounts. Unless very close to the limit not much impact either way if before idle after the 30th of June...if after will last one more year on the books of course so prob a slight advantage to do before if you have the room to free up funds slightly in 5 years. The spread over a longer period makes it less of an impact.

Sale however only counts for 3 years on the books and all of it counts immediately. Makes logical sense that unless a club needs to sell to stay within FFP limits before the 30th they will want to wait until after the 30th as will then count for the next 3 year period. If selling now would only be 2 years counted after the 30th so a big advantage to delay that so it stays on the books as long as possible to help in future windows. For example if we had sold Mitro before the 30th that summer tgat incoming would have expired so we couldn't use it this summer. As after the 30th the incoming can still be used this year.

If correct probably quite hard to buy before the 30th then because the selling club will want to delay it. From what I have seen quite a few deals seem to have been put in place but only to go through 01/07 prob for this reason. Not sure if correct but that is my take on it trying to think logically.

Cottages

#794
Quote from: hopper on June 14, 2025, 11:13:52 AM
Quote from: SimonDaviesEnjoyer on June 14, 2025, 08:23:40 AM
Quote from: hopper on June 12, 2025, 05:49:59 PM
Quote from: SimonDaviesEnjoyer on June 12, 2025, 03:47:59 PM0.00% chance we get Bellanova.

I didn't watch much Atalanta except for their disappoint Brugge games, do you rate him highly?

Sorry didn't see this. Only saw him once, looked good, but more to the point his side finished 3rd in Serie A. He's a full Italian international and would be leaving a CL club for a mid table scrap in England.

Just doesn't smell realistic.

Big transitional season for them though with Juric replacing Gasperini.

Could be possible, but not many Italian players like leaving Italy. If Peter Rutzler is reporting it we are definitely interested.

Sadly, it indicates Tete might be on his way out.

If Tete is gone... (he is gone imo) Bellanova is joining. As is Richarlison, and a Rios type progressive 8.


Drewry66

#795
Quote from: iansthailand on June 14, 2025, 05:04:05 PM
Quote from: Thailand Mick on June 14, 2025, 04:55:45 PM
Quote from: Angus Telford on June 14, 2025, 04:27:33 PM
Quote from: Thailand Mick on June 14, 2025, 07:56:51 AMI know that PSR is a minefield to understand but one of the simple rules is that we can lose £105 million over a three year period which starts on the1st of July and finishes on the 30th of June.This means if we still had not reach our £105m limit then we need to spend that money by the 30th ofJune or we will lose the ability to do so.This also means we would not sell players until the 1st ofJuly unless we were at risk of breaking our limit.I believe we may have about 20m to spend before the 30th June which would be the money from our failed attempt to buy the player from France ondeadline Day.

It's a rolling three-year assessment period so i think the only way it would work like that is if we had a massive surplus in the 22-23 season (which is the season that'll be excluded from the next cycle) compared to other seasons. In reality I think that seasin was our highest net spend since promotion, not least because we had the Mitrovic and Palhinha sales in 23/24 and 24/25.
lets say we have an 85m loss between 2022-25 we cannot carry that 20m into the 2025-2028 cycle because we would still only be allowed to lose 105m in that 3 year cycle
Am i right in thinking we only had 91 million until 24/25. 13 from the Championship + 2 x 39 from Pl. We get the full amount from this coming season.

Think so before 24/25. Also important as not only did we have less allowable loss before but the championship year loss counted and our loss tgat year was massive so a double whammy. Basically stuffed us then until 24/25 when the allowable loss increased and the championship year no longer counted.

Think we had the full £105m from 01/07/2024 to 30/06/2025:

Championship:

01/07/2021 to 30/06/2022

Prem 3 year period for the full £105m:

01/07/2022 to 30/06/2023
01/07/2023 to 30/06/2024
01/07/2024 to 30/06/2025

Think that is correct anyway. I thought we'd spend a bit more last summer especially with the Mitro and João sales. Jay came too late and we know the Khans hate spending in Jan but surely means that we have a lot of room this summer. Various reports suggest we do.


Jims Dentist

Quote from: Angus Telford on June 13, 2025, 09:25:21 AM
Quote from: jayffc on June 13, 2025, 09:06:58 AMIt does if we lose the best ever Fulham right back in our history (imo) - goes without saying ideally Tete just signs a new contract but he'll have other options so up to him.

George Cohen will have something to say about that.

In fact so might Steve Finnan.

I'd even give Duncan Jupp a shout.
Ray Evans.

Jims Dentist

Quote from: Alec of good Stock on June 13, 2025, 11:26:28 PM
Quote from: Angus Telford on June 13, 2025, 09:25:21 AM
Quote from: jayffc on June 13, 2025, 09:06:58 AMIt does if we lose the best ever Fulham right back in our history (imo) - goes without saying ideally Tete just signs a new contract but he'll have other options so up to him.

George Cohen will have something to say about that.

In fact so might Steve Finnan.

I'd even give Duncan Jupp a shout.
In the short time that Ray Evans was with us, I thought that he was the best full back crosser of a ball that I've seen.
Also took good free kicks and was a good captain.
A bargain £30k from Millwall.


AnotherVicHalomLoveChild

Interesting
As I near 75, the old memory fades and gets confused
Remember very fondly George, Finnan, Juppy and Ray
Trying to think whether Stan Brown ever fulfilled the role even part time
and Jimmy Dunne if Mullers ragged him to so it,
Ahh, well, happy days!

JimmyConway

Quote from: AnotherVicHalomLoveChild on June 14, 2025, 08:57:46 PMInteresting
As I near 75, the old memory fades and gets confused
Remember very fondly George, Finnan, Juppy and Ray
Trying to think whether Stan Brown ever fulfilled the role even part time
and Jimmy Dunne if Mullers ragged him to so it,
Ahh, well, happy days!
Stan Brown did! Jimmy Dunne never!