Ruiz leaving in Jan....merged threads

[dannyboi-ffc]

Why does it matter if Ruiz is loyal again?

I don't remember saying it mattered if he was loyal, I just think it degrades the meaning of the word to suggest that ruiz has been loyal to fulham.

I suppose in modern football just over 3 years deserves a medal but let's be fair we would've been lucky to get anywhere near what we paid for him at any stage over his time here. Other clubs refused to pay it and let's be honest, he has never come close to warranting his price tag or deadline day excitement.

Only now is he really in a position to leave and just like Hugo his deal fell through and no one else wanted him. He didn't choose to stay.

This year is the only one where he can genuinely say "I'm better than this" and surprise surprise he's linked with moves away. He's a very nice guy, I met him outside motspur and he got out of his car to take his picture with my daughter, I totally respect him as a person and he has behaved in a very good way unlike others in the past.

But that does not make him loyal, it makes him a good professional. I'm not bothered that he's not loyal, the debate started because someone said he is. 

The post wasn't directed at only you, a quick read just made me wonder why people think he needs to be loyal. The word loyal kept coming up, he acts professionally, he's been good to the fans and probably feels the championship isn't for him so I couldn't blame him for wanting out. I don't think ill ever understand the  need for loyalty in football when its designed to be a mercenaries game.

And id agree with you, loyalty and football don't go together any more and we tended to do ok without it in the 16 years al fayed was here.

The word loyal only kept coming up because someone claimed ruiz deserved a move because of his loyalty to fulham which I found very odd. He has been very kind and respectful in his time here and dare I say it even a team player even if he's a tad lazy.

But calling him loyal after 3 years and very little return is very generous and a little insulting to the likes of Simon Morgan who was Mr loyal. I won't play the Cohen or Haynes card because that was before my time but loyalty is certainly the wrong word to call ruiz in my opinion. 

I don't think it's a big deal whether he stays or goes anyway, if he stays great because on his day he is a good player but if he goes hopefully the system will change to give the side more width and balance.
It's a win win as far as I'm concerned because the club won't get much money for him anyway, so it's a matter of what's best for the club and id say it's 50/50

[fulhamben]

Not bothered whether he stays or not, I don't think we will miss him at all.

we wouldnt miss any of our squad if they left

Yet another well reasoned thought out reply fp.gif

so who pray tell is irreplaceable in our squad then? this isnt like the good old days, when you lost a saha and a dembele and you knew we would never get that quality back again easily. other than maybe lvc, and maybe hugo, who would we struggle to replace?

Well Mc Cormack for one, George Williams for another, Pat Roberts for three, need I go on?

roberts never plays so lee cook could replace him, and ross isnt that special. few assists yes, but a poor goal return, and cant take a set piece to save his life. and george was replaced with some untried city kid against watford.

[westcliff white]

didnt ross score a screaming free kick early in the season, sure it was him, also are pens counted as set pieces?

& assists is pretty decent though, all in all thats 11 goals he has contributed too (not including goals from free kicks he won), how many goals have we score din total and what % contribution does that 11 make (am sure someone has that stat)?

[fulhamben]

didnt ross score a screaming free kick early in the season, sure it was him, also are pens counted as set pieces?

& assists is pretty decent though, all in all thats 11 goals he has contributed too (not including goals from free kicks he won), how many goals have we score din total and what % contribution does that 11 make (am sure someone has that stat)?

1 in about 20 does not make you a specialist free kick taker. yes he has scored pens but any striker should. look at watford game, not one corner or free kick found a white shirt. and for paritys sake i wouldnt let ruiz take one either. i would get lvc to take them as ive seen him score a few

[colinwhite]

If ruiz does go then we need to bring in another quality midfielder as replacement plus a defensive athletic ,strong cm (which we have been lacking all season )

[westcliff white]

i wasnt saying he was a specialist was just asking if he did. blimey people are touchy on this board these days, used to be a nice friendly place to banter.

[fulhamben]

I assume that the one thing in common we all have is that we support Fulham through thick and thin, note thick than thin sometimes. I think you will all agree to support Fulham as we do, the one thing you need is a sense of humour at all times, otherwise we would probably lose the will to live, if we happen to one day get to Wembley again, and say some unlikely player maybe say Matt Smith or even Brian Ruiz if they are still around, scored a dramatic winner in the last minute to send us all into raptures, and we could all die happy people, we would be all jumping and down shaking each other's hands if we happen to be sitting in the same spot, not knowing who each other was, even having a drink together in celebration cause Italy never happen again. But the point I am making is that people get angry with each other on this board, and I am not blaming anyone in particular over the most trivial differences of opinion, just because someone does not like another persons view. Well please remember that one day we all may be at Wembley and that divine moment may come with an unlikely hero, and the sun will be shinning and we will all be chums in our black and white for a while or maybe for ever, depending on how many beers we sink down our necks at the time. So we all sometimes think we are right all the time. But others can come up with a better idea. Brian Clough once said, " I have only been wrong once, and that is when I thought I was wrong but I wasn't, I was right all the time ", he had a sense of humour.
So cheer up and spare a thought for that day at Wembley, it just may come along sooner than we think, and there is nothing wrong in having a dream. That's what keeps us all going through the thick and the thin. We are all Fulham supporters and there ain't that many of us, so let's stick together whether we agree or not.

this makes me angry

[fiveclack]

Fulhamben - I think 1/20 does make you pretty good at freekicks going by all stats, they aren't really quite as useful as you'd think...

http://www.optasportspro.com/about/optapro-blog/posts/2013/augmenting-free-kick-data-for-more-meaningful-results.aspx

[fulhamben]

Fulhamben - I think 1/20 does make you pretty good at freekicks going by all stats, they aren't really quite as useful as you'd think...

http://www.optasportspro.com/about/optapro-blog/posts/2013/augmenting-free-kick-data-for-more-meaningful-results.aspx

i cant believe somone has worked that, out only had quick glance, but wasnt 5% the average, ie the not very good ones.  ross either hits the wall or finds row z. our best corner was the one ross actually decided to stand in the box for, which is something he should do more of. i could understand him taking them if they were any good. time and time again him and ruiz hit the first man, its time to change it as a couple have resulted in the oppo breaking quick and scoring

[The Equalizer]

News we all expected but a mate of mine has a dad in clearing out houses for people about to leave and he's doing Bryan's house at the moment says he's off in jan

Ruiz lives in an apartment according to a source close to the club and his paper bill is paid till after January, more pure tosh

I think he might live around Surbiton way somewhere. He walked past me as I was having a smoke outside The Victoria pub on Victoria Road. Taller than I expected, with lovely hair.

[Fulham1959]

Just listening to a discussion on Talksport, initiated by Colin Murray about whether fans today go to games more to judge than to cheer the team on.

I think that's a valid point. As an older fan I see a lot of difference in younger fans - analaysing every aspect of each player's performance, and harshly judging the team if it comes up short in a game...

rather than someone like me, who  thinks it's my team, and i'll get behind the players, even though I'm aware they have faults, and may not be the greatest players.

For me, if a player seems weak in some way, I'll probably get behind him more, as long as he seems to be playing his best.

Not saying my view is right, maybe i'm too soft and old fashioned - but just remarking on what seems a big change in fans' attitudes.

I'm with you, Ray.

[colcliff]

I could not care if he stays or goes
I think that he is a very talented footballer but is not suited to playing in England
MY big worry is how much we can get for him  probably nothing  like the money we paid for him
and considering he was supposed to have been this great player at the world cup  there are not that many clubs knocking at the door with check book in hand
 I think a lot of clubs saw him previous to the world cup  then saw him out there but decided to wait and see how  he performed when back at Fulham  knowing if he failed to impress they could reduce the price  and that is why  he probably did not go in the summer

[Whitesideup]

If Ruiz does leave it will leave a hole. David and Woodrow could easily slot in that role, but one has a bad attitude, and the other has falling out of favour. Hyndman I guess could be interesting, as he is one of the best passers at our club, and would add a bit of creative edge, but maybe not his preferred position.

I expect him to leave, and do wonder why he continues to play, unless Kit has a replacement lined up

I agree Hyndmann is a like for like replacement. This is his favoured position and has handled the physical side better, even as an 18 year old.I wold like to see Woodrow given more playing time as I believe we play better with him holding up the ball and bringing wider players into the game

really? id push lvc up there before i would hyndman. cant remember him ever taking players on or having a shot

Agree. Hyndman links play from defence to attack or other areas of the midfield. Never a replacement for Ruiz.

[Forever Fulham]

Ruiz is the most talented player on the team.  There, I said it (again).  Just for balance, because all you Ruiz haters tend to have a monopoly on comments re: Ruiz.  But I'm not going to get into a stupid protracted back and forth about it.  He's likely leaving when his time is up, so what does it really matter?

[HatterDon]

I hope he goes the first day of the transfer period. Yes, he's helping us and yes, he's the most talented player we have, but what is that when measured against guessing who the next Fulham Pariah will be. Fulham supporters and 13-year-old girls seemingly MUST identify somebody to hate and then scream that hate incessantly.

[J.Perkins]

I hope he goes the first day of the transfer period. Yes, he's helping us and yes, he's the most talented player we have, but what is that when measured against guessing who the next Fulham Pariah will be. Fulham supporters and 13-year-old girls seemingly MUST identify somebody to hate and then scream that hate incessantly.

Ruiz has got a vast array of talents, but we are definitely trying to accommodate him. The narrow formation is just to build the team around. I hope, when he leaves, we move back to the more traditional wing play.

[FulhamStu]

Ruiz is the most talented player on the team.  There, I said it (again).  Just for balance, because all you Ruiz haters tend to have a monopoly on comments re: Ruiz.  But I'm not going to get into a stupid protracted back and forth about it.  He's likely leaving when his time is up, so what does it really matter?

If Talent is being slow of mind and body, weak in the tackle and a bottler, you are right !

[epsomraver]

Ruiz is the most talented player on the team.  There, I said it (again).  Just for balance, because all you Ruiz haters tend to have a monopoly on comments re: Ruiz.  But I'm not going to get into a stupid protracted back and forth about it.  He's likely leaving when his time is up, so what does it really matter?

If Talent is being slow of mind and body, weak in the tackle and a bottler, you are right !

Another factless and uniformed statement, try watching the  game!

[J.Perkins]

Ruiz is the most talented player on the team.  There, I said it (again).  Just for balance, because all you Ruiz haters tend to have a monopoly on comments re: Ruiz.  But I'm not going to get into a stupid protracted back and forth about it.  He's likely leaving when his time is up, so what does it really matter?

If Talent is being slow of mind and body, weak in the tackle and a bottler, you are right !

Another factless and uniformed statement, try watching the  game!

+1 epsomraver. If you have watched FFC recently, you'd know he's been winning more headers, making more tackles, and he has a very good footballing mind. I'll give you one point, he is slow.

[epsomraver]

Ruiz is the most talented player on the team.  There, I said it (again).  Just for balance, because all you Ruiz haters tend to have a monopoly on comments re: Ruiz.  But I'm not going to get into a stupid protracted back and forth about it.  He's likely leaving when his time is up, so what does it really matter?

If Talent is being slow of mind and body, weak in the tackle and a bottler, you are right !

Another factless and uniformed statement, try watching the  game!

+1 epsomraver. If you have watched FFC recently, you'd know he's been winning more headers, making more tackles, and he has a very good footballing mind. I'll give you one point, he is slow.

you say that and to a point he gives that impression but the theory is for him to hold the ball and then draw players on to him thus hopefully freeing up other Fulham players to pass to, there are so many who take their seats and as soon as he touches the ball start moaning about him, mind you that applies to a lot of other players too, but Ruiz is the favourite for the moaners followed by Parker.