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[Steeeeeeeeeed]

An ex.policeman, aged 59, was one of those who died in the UK today, the youngest UK victim so far


This over 70 thing is possibly because most of those people are retired (with a few exceptions) and they want to keep.the general.work.force out there doing their thing a bit longer before they do have to.restrict further.
I think other countries have reported a significant number of people in their 50s passing away from it (usually with underlying conditions such as diabetes, heart issues, etc.

Also, horse racing will now have no crowds allowed, again, like football, this was an independent decision, not government led.

Edited Comment /.Corrected... (See below posts)
360.dead in one day in Italy, total.now 1800 dead since it started there.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8114643/Pope-Francis-walks-Romes-deserted-streets-amid-coronavirus-lockdown.html

Take care folks

[Tabby]

In Italy the number dead has shot up.from 370 to 1800 in 24 hours (is that right ?... If so that is very disturbing, don't know if the DM has messed up.figures, of not its awful...)

About 370 dead in the last 24 hours, bringing the total to 1800.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-toll/italy-coronavirus-deaths-rise-25-to-1809-idUSKBN212113

[Steeeeeeeeeed]

In Italy the number dead has shot up.from 370 to 1800 in 24 hours (is that right ?... If so that is very disturbing, don't know if the DM has messed up.figures, of not its awful...)

About 370 dead in the last 24 hours, bringing the total to 1800.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-toll/italy-coronavirus-deaths-rise-25-to-1809-idUSKBN212113

Yes that is correct, the DM had worded it wrongly,.just seen the story on Sky

Approx 360 dead in one day, 1800 total since it begun

[love4ffc]

Just getting back from Telluride, Colorado ski resort.  The governor of Colorado last night declared that all ski resorts within the state of Colorado to be closed immediately. 

So, as we were leaving the airport to fly back home, a lot of people were arriving to find out that the ski resort was closed and that their holiday planning had been undone.  Let's just say I was glad I was leaving and not one of the poor airlines, hotel or car rental employees who had to deal with all the mad and upset travelers that were hoping to go skiing. 

[Ged]

Today there are between forty and fifty corona patients in critical condition on Dutch intensive care units. "More than half of those patients are under fifty years old. There are also young people. "" That says chairman of the Dutch Association for Intensive Care (NVIC) Diederik Gommers, in an interview
The professor of intensive care medicine, who himself heads the IC of Rotterdam's Erasmus MC, emphasizes that it is not only the elderly who are affected by the corona virus. ,, What has mainly made the news is that older people die faster. This is about 2.5 percent of the entire population, while about 15 percent of the elderly die. But more than half of those patients are under fifty years old. It also includes young people. ''The specialist explains that it also regularly occurs with regular flu that younger people end up in intensive care.
A  16-year-old boy  from Breda is infected with the coronavirus and is currently in the intensive care unit of the Erasmus MC-Sophia Children's Hospital. His family calls all over the Netherlands: "Wake up and take this virus seriously."

Dutch doctors have also been informed about patients from Lombardy, Italy, who confirm data that young and relatively healthy people are also affected by the corona virus. ,, The youngest intubated Covid-19 patient is a girl of 16 years old. Two children with Covid-19 were admitted to the pediatric IC for observation but did not require additional therapy, '' the information circulated among Dutch physicians says. The first patient in that Italian region to receive a ventilator was ventilated for eighteen days, while he was relatively healthy. "It was a 38-year-old, otherwise very healthy man, who ran marathons

[Holders]

Just getting back from Telluride, Colorado ski resort.  The governor of Colorado last night declared that all ski resorts within the state of Colorado to be closed immediately. 

So, as we were leaving the airport to fly back home, a lot of people were arriving to find out that the ski resort was closed and that their holiday planning had been undone.  Let's just say I was glad I was leaving and not one of the poor airlines, hotel or car rental employees who had to deal with all the mad and upset travelers that were hoping to go skiing. 

I was skiing in Austria just over two weeks ago and everything was completely normal. Yesterday they closed all the resorts, banned gatherings of five people or more and the border with Germany is closed.

From normality to unprecedented in a fortnight.

I feel sorry for those taking a later trip (with still a month of the normal season to run) who travelled out in all innocence - but the circumstances are exceptional.

[Dr Quinzel]

Spain is pretty much going on full lockdown now... And the Spanish Prime Ministers wife has tested positive.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8112691/Drunk-British-holidaymakers-clash-police-armed-batons-Benidorm.html

A client has just called me from Spain. Police walking the streets forcing people home.

I'm dumbfounded by some of the replies from people who could stay at home, but just won't, because they don't want to be told what to do. If not for yourself, surely for others?

[Southdowns White]

Has anyone on here actually had it yet or even personally know anyone (well enough to have a conversation)who has had it and got over it. I only know of one person, I do not know him but he plays in a band with a friend of mine, two days in bed last week flu like pains and now a cough but he feels much better.

[I Ronic]

I understand if you're vulnerable you should probably stay in. What I'm uncertain about is total lock down. If we all stay in doors it reduces the risk of catching it but you're not working so how are you going to pay your bills and queue for loo rolls. Coronavirus isn't just going to disappear.  Surely when we all venture back onto the streets the whole thing will kick off again? Or am I missing something?

[Statto]

An ex.policeman, aged 59, was one of those who died in the UK today, the youngest UK victim so far


This over 70 thing is possibly because most of those people are retired (with a few exceptions) and they want to keep.the general.work.force out there doing their thing a bit longer before they do have to.restrict further.
I think other countries have reported a significant number of people in their 50s passing away from it (usually with underlying conditions such as diabetes, heart issues, etc.

Under 50s account for two thirds of the general population and are far more exposed to the virus through school, college, work, commuting, clubs, bars, events etc than the average 70 year old. If the virus affected all age groups equally, you'd expect the hospitals to be almost entirely filled with under 50s for those reasons. Despite some cases affecting younger people, it's clearly likely to affect older people worse. Everyone has to do their part here IMO. Younger people need to look out for older people, but older people need to heed the official advice to the extent they can, because if they catch the virus, they're more likely to end up taking a ventilator that could be used to save someone else.

[Statto]

Coronavirus isn't just going to disappear.  Surely when we all venture back onto the streets the whole thing will kick off again? Or am I missing something?

The percentage by which the number of cases goes up day-on-day in Italy is already decreasing. These controls seem to be working just as they did in China. If it takes a two-month total lockdown to control the virus in the UK, then in 6 months we have to do it all over again, so what?

[fulhamben]

Coronavirus isn't just going to disappear.  Surely when we all venture back onto the streets the whole thing will kick off again? Or am I missing something?

The percentage by which the number of cases goes up day-on-day in Italy is already decreasing. These controls seem to be working just as they did in China. If it takes a two-month total lockdown to control the virus in the UK, then in 6 months we have to do it all over again, so what?

but Italy is now doing what We are doing and what China never did, they are no longer testing people  at home, so of course the numbers will go down. Doesn't mean the infection rate has though

[toshes mate]

Coronavirus isn't just going to disappear.  Surely when we all venture back onto the streets the whole thing will kick off again? Or am I missing something?

The percentage by which the number of cases goes up day-on-day in Italy is already decreasing. These controls seem to be working just as they did in China. If it takes a two-month total lockdown to control the virus in the UK, then in 6 months we have to do it all over again, so what?

but Italy is now doing what We are doing and what China never did, they are no longer testing people  at home, so of course the numbers will go down. Doesn't mean the infection rate has though

It's absolutely true that the absence of comprehensive testing means that the statistics are largely whimsical although many scientists/medics/professionals in the business of working with figures will claim that small scale data are much better than nothing.  The crux of that claim will always be 'but how much better than nothing?'  In an epidemic you need to have a big picture and we don't seem to have one.

[Steeeeeeeeeed]

Just been watching today's WHO press conference, and theai  guy said that the One Thing that he wants the Government's of the World to take from today was to "Test, Test, Test !!!" Otherwise it is " like fighting a fire blindfolded ".

UK government continues not to test.

Boris is up in a minute with the first of his daily updates.

[fulhamben]

Just been watching today's WHO press conference, and theai  guy said that the One Thing that he wants the Government's of the World to take from today was to "Test, Test, Test !!!" Otherwise it is " like fighting a fire blindfolded ".

UK government continues not to test.

Boris is up in a minute with the first of his daily updates.

test test test and then do what you were told to do even if you hadn't been tested. Makes little sense to me.

[Statto]

They tested 5,000 people on Saturday

[fulhamben]

They tested 5,000 people on Saturday

and by the time they all got home they could have picked it up from somewhere.

[RaySmith]

As said, not testing means that  essential NHS and care staff are self isolating for weeks or months,, when they may only have a cold or flu, thus their services are lost when most needed.

Also, people self isolating en-masse, when they may not have it, or just because they are in a certain age group but are perfectly fit, causes unnecessary alienation, distress and panic, not to mention the effects on the economy - causing  even greater distress and problems in the future.

[fulhamben]

As said, not testing means that  essential NHS and care staff are self isolating for weeks or months,, when they may only have a cold or flu, thus their services are lost when most needed.

Also, people self isolating en-masse, when they may not have it, or just because they are in a certain age group but are perfectly fit, causes unnecessary alienation, distress and panic, not to mention the effects on the economy - causing  even greater distress and problems in the future.

so how often do we test, every hour, day, week, once a year?  If it's not at least daily on every person then it's kinda of pointless as you could have infected dozens in a day depending on your daily routine.

[toshes mate]

There was a little half truth or deception about testing in the PM's broadcast.  The current test is for presence of the virus which will also indicate positive for someone who has no symptoms.  Currently the UK is testing people with symptoms and then finding the symptoms are not because of Covid-19, which is not the same as testing people who don't have symptoms but find they are indeed infected and therefore infectious to others. 

Likewise there is a very important test currently being devised or designed to identify the question of immunity post infection but no indication of when it may be available.  The whole argument about comprehensive testing is to identify people who are carriers of the virus regardless of how healthy they may feel, because they are the ones likely infecting others. 

As fulhamben and RaySmith suggest the Government are not exactly making sense when that is what is needed.