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[toshes mate]

You started the patronage, Ged. Get over yourself.

[toshes mate]

This is from Joanne Nova a multi-talented blogger in W. Australia who has been banging her drum about Coronavirus from day one.

It covers all the bases, IMO.

The secret is strict walls. We stop feeding the virus fresh bodies and simply out wait the code. Its big weakness is that it can't repair from daily wear and tear. Heat will break the bonds. So will UV. Sooner or later (nine days?) we don't have to do anything and the code disintegrates. One snip and it's powerless.
The great thing about this is certainty and speed

Do it once and do it well, then maintain the barrier around the Virus Zone as it shrinks bit by bit.

Imagine nations split into mosaics of small regions and we clean one at a time and build from there. As each small region is cleared of the virus it can be opened to other clean regions, then clean states join clean states, and finally clean nations connect. This quarantine is only as good as its walls, but it can be done. And it can be maintained and it will keep airlines, events and restaurants alive. Footy games too.

Schools have to go skeleton minimalist (briefly) — all kids who can stay home should stay home. South Korea had emergency classes for children of essential workers and kept class sizes to 10. After the state is clean, schools can run normally again. In the six month Slow-Bleed-Plan schools will have no certainty that they won't be shut down due to infection any day. Flights can't be restored quickly, and after the curve is crushed, freedom is mostly fixed fast.

Inside the No-corona-state everyone has all the freedom that they usually have, they just can't leave and come straight back without a two week quarantine. But restaurants, schools, clubs and pubs are all back on again.

The proviso is that the walls must stay strong. A No-corona state can only afford open travel with other proven No-corona nations. All arrivals from the virus zone will have to be quarantined and not with polite requests but mandatory checks and carefully enforced. But every nation will want to be on the clean list — there is a big incentive to get there and maintain it, and to be honest. Countries caught hiding infections will be dropped like hot potatoes, and lose the right to get back on the list quickly. Poor nations will need help but big clean nations will have healthy economies, and they can assist.

[Ged]

You started the patronage, Ged. Get over yourself.

deluded
/dɪˈluːdɪd/
adjective
believing something that is not true.
"the poor deluded creature"

[Steeeeeeeeeed]

Thank God Mr Arteta got ill last week (and subsequently recovered) otherwise I think we would have been looking at huge numbers by now.

Not trying to be flippant, but it took that "famous name" to make the football stop itself, while the government were doing nothing, and that led to the domino effect of other large gatherings stopping over the next few days, until now we are at the nearly t the point where we should have been at least 10 days ago.

Been good to see the stronger measures on transport and schools, but hoping that they go further... I really think the Tube should be closed down except for esseential workers to use.

Once you get more than 10.people in a train car you are pretty much pushing the 'keep your distance' rules.


At least with buses they have natural ventilation .

[toshes mate]

You started the patronage, Ged. Get over yourself.

deluded
/dɪˈluːdɪd/
adjective
believing something that is not true.
"the poor deluded creature"

"All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusion is called a philosopher." ― Ambrose Bierce

And so, Ged, name calling, animosity and denial get none of us anywhere, on that I hope we agree.  I apologise if I have upset you.

Wuhan appears to have followed the expected three month Gompertz Curve for more serious 'flu types in line with WHO advocacy.  Let us hope they have no more infections and that everywhere else on the planet follows that same pattern, meaning the UK will reach a peak sometime toward the end of May.   Much depends on the UK's testing regime which needs a magnitude of increase above the quantities our PM spoke about on Monday and yesterday.  Thus far we are around 7000 daily tests which is simply not good enough.

[snarks]

saying they are bringing retired doctors back into service
if yours is called DR. Harold Shipman head for the hills....

Partly because it will mean the dead are back among the living

[john dempsey]

didn't know he was brown bread
at last a bit of good news. many thanks.

[RaySmith]

didn't know he was brown bread
at last a bit of good news. many thanks.

He topped himself while inside I think.

[Statto]

Thank God Mr Arteta got ill last week (and subsequently recovered) otherwise I think we would have been looking at huge numbers by now.

Not trying to be flippant, but it took that "famous name" to make the football stop itself, while the government were doing nothing, and that led to the domino effect of other large gatherings stopping over the next few days, until now we are at the nearly t the point where we should have been at least 10 days ago.

Been good to see the stronger measures on transport and schools, but hoping that they go further... I really think the Tube should be closed down except for esseential workers to use.

Once you get more than 10.people in a train car you are pretty much pushing the 'keep your distance' rules.


At least with buses they have natural ventilation .

It's 6 days since they cancelled the football and 3 days since the other social distancing measures. None of it will have had any effect yet. Under the testing radar, we've probably gone from 10,000 cases to 50,000 cases in that time.

[Ged]

You started the patronage, Ged. Get over yourself.

deluded
/dɪˈluːdɪd/
adjective
believing something that is not true.
"the poor deluded creature"

"All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusion is called a philosopher." ― Ambrose Bierce

And so, Ged, name calling, animosity and denial get none of us anywhere, on that I hope we agree.  I apologise if I have upset you.

fair enough

[Southcoastffc]

This posted on a local forum today:

Decided not to listen to government advice or 111, because Sandra on Facebook who lives next door turns out to be a microbiologist, national economical expert, housing adviser, mortgage guru, GP and national pandemic specialist .... who'd have thought eh? Only last week she was a full time mummy selling bath bombs on Facebook! ... goes to show, never judge a book by its cover!

:005:

[toshes mate]

Meanwhile many 'experts' around the world continue to change their perspectives on an almost daily basis as more information becomes available and different pressure points attract their local attention influencing public announcements and prognostications.

The key expert advice from the WHO remains exactly the same for coronavirus as it was on day one - test, test, test and understand this virus so that you can deal with it.  The countries that have followed this advice are doing notably better than those who didn't and Sandra, bless her heart, may have noticed this.

[fulhamben]

Meanwhile many 'experts' around the world continue to change their perspectives on an almost daily basis as more information becomes available and different pressure points attract their local attention influencing public announcements and prognostications.

The key expert advice from the WHO remains exactly the same for coronavirus as it was on day one - test, test, test and understand this virus so that you can deal with it.  The countries that have followed this advice are doing notably better than those who didn't and Sandra, bless her heart, may have noticed this.

? Who day 1 advice was don't worry as it doesn't transmit from human to human.

[toshes mate]

Meanwhile many 'experts' around the world continue to change their perspectives on an almost daily basis as more information becomes available and different pressure points attract their local attention influencing public announcements and prognostications.

The key expert advice from the WHO remains exactly the same for coronavirus as it was on day one - test, test, test and understand this virus so that you can deal with it.  The countries that have followed this advice are doing notably better than those who didn't and Sandra, bless her heart, may have noticed this.

? Who day 1 advice was don't worry as it doesn't transmit from human to human.

For argument sake day one is the actual human outbreak (infection by person to person) date which even now is in heavy dispute because no one can be clear about what actually happened in China between roughly September/October 2019 and December 2019 when the virus was identified and confirmed in China.  Conspiracy theories abound. 

[toshes mate]

It was actually identified and confirmed as COVID-19 on 7/1/2020 by China

[Black and White Town]

Look after yourselves, and each other.
Check on vulnerable neighbours and relatives.

Above all, keep stringent physical distance. Avoid groups.
The best thing everyone can do right now is disrupt the infection pathways to buy enough time to allow the NHS to cope with the massive influx of critical patients who are coming.

Stay safe.

[Logicalman]

It was actually identified and confirmed as COVID-19 on 7/1/2020 by China

I'm interested in the source for that info. Generally, all I have been able to locate are references to Dec 10, when a person, linked to the generally-accepted source market, presented themselves to a hospital in China and was first treated. Any links you have would be greatly appreciated.

[fulhamben]

Look after yourselves, and each other.
Check on vulnerable neighbours and relatives.

Above all, keep stringent physical distance. Avoid groups.
The best thing everyone can do right now is disrupt the infection pathways to buy enough time to allow the NHS to cope with the massive influx of critical patients who are coming.

Stay safe.

well said

[Steeeeeeeeeed]

Can't believe people not getting the message about keeping 2 metres apart... Number of times I have been in a queue the last few days, keeping a distance behind the person in front, with the person behind me edging forwards towards me.. I make a pointed step forward, they edge ever nearer.... Idiots.

Folk still packimg on the tube in the morning... This will be the Key reason for it spreading and making us like the unfortunates of Italy in a couple of weeks... Access to the tube needs to be fully controlled Now, only for the few who Really need it.

Once you get more  than about 12 people in a tube car.your are going past the advice of 2m apart.

[Milo]

Apparently they're fast tracking medical students. Universities are waiving final examinations which is ridiculous!