Anguissa loan status?

[@jolslover]

Anguissa is an excellent  player. Superior to Arter, Reed, McDonald etc. Sure he may not have shown the passion they have but he's an upgrade in every other aspect. Last season he was still finding his feet at a new team who were struggling to adapt in a new league when he sustained an injury which kept him out for months. He was a young player, new to the Premier League. Maybe given time that passion that some seem to think is a requisite may have shone through. Surprised how unforgiving some supporters are. We were a struggling team from the off. It was never going to be easy for any new player last season. When he came back he showed his qualities with MOM performances. I was disappointed when he was loaned out.

Agree with this.
He did better than Cairney / Sessegnon did in the second half of last season and no one thinks because of 1 bad year those two are poor players. It is hard to judge anyone based on last season.

[Penfold]

I don't understand 'he did not cut it in England' it took him a while to adapt but under Parker he put in atleast 3 MOTM performances against top 6 clubs and was one of our better players...

I've managed to forget about most of last seasons games lol

I seem to recall him putting in decent displays v Liverpool and Man City but may well be wrong. Couldn't be the Cardiff or Everton games as I skipped them and watched cricket instead.

[ALG01]

anguissa was totally awful
he did not put in any effort, played entirely for himself, when he could be bothered, and not for the team
his lack of effort was highlited more than once on MOTD
i absolutely would hate to have him back

players like sendeross all those years ago were poor but tried very hard... others struggled with form in the prem and the bizarre squad and pathetic goalkeepers we brought in, and also the system slav was tring to find but TC and sess put in the effort anguissa just let game after game pass him by. against the big teams he seemed a little more interested but that was compared to a very poor standard he had set himself.

[@jolslover]

anguissa was totally awful
he did not put in any effort, played entirely for himself, when he could be bothered, and not for the team
his lack of effort was highlited more than once on MOTD
i absolutely would hate to have him back

players like sendeross all those years ago were poor but tried very hard... others struggled with form in the prem and the bizarre squad and pathetic goalkeepers we brought in, and also the system slav was tring to find but TC and sess put in the effort anguissa just let game after game pass him by. against the big teams he seemed a little more interested but that was compared to a very poor standard he had set himself.

He got MOTM against City and Liverpool and was our best player on the pitch both games. He wasn't awful for Fulham - he had a hard time adapting to English football but was genuinely one of our better players second half of season (only bettered by Babel and Chambers) - He has now gone to La Liga and has done really well. Completed the second most successful take ons in the whole league
Your opinion is clearly skewed by some sort of personal dislike to him if you would hate to have him back - Not good enough for Fulham but Real Madrid are doing their best to sign him? Right.

[AnOldBrownie]

I don't understand 'he did not cut it in England' it took him a while to adapt but under Parker he put in atleast 3 MOTM performances against top 6 clubs and was one of our better players...

Conditioning.

I thought Anguissa was fine to good in most of the games he's played for us, up until he'd reach that 50th minute mark.

I don't know what it was, but he dropped off a cliff whenever he got tired.    It should in his posture/pace/manerisms more than any other player.    He wasn't in good physical condition to play EPL style football.

I hope he's worked on that.

[Penfold]

anguissa was totally awful
he did not put in any effort, played entirely for himself, when he could be bothered, and not for the team
his lack of effort was highlited more than once on MOTD
i absolutely would hate to have him back

players like sendeross all those years ago were poor but tried very hard... others struggled with form in the prem and the bizarre squad and pathetic goalkeepers we brought in, and also the system slav was tring to find but TC and sess put in the effort anguissa just let game after game pass him by. against the big teams he seemed a little more interested but that was compared to a very poor standard he had set himself.

He got MOTM against City and Liverpool and was our best player on the pitch both games. He wasn't awful for Fulham - he had a hard time adapting to English football but was genuinely one of our better players second half of season (only bettered by Babel and Chambers) - He has now gone to La Liga and has done really well. Completed the second most successful take ons in the whole league
Your opinion is clearly skewed by some sort of personal dislike to him if you would hate to have him back - Not good enough for Fulham but Real Madrid are doing their best to sign him? Right.

Is it a fact Real Madrid are after him? Maybe his agent putting stories in the media. It has been known.

[Jims Dentist]

I want Anguissa back.I just watched him on Villarreal today against Mallorca and he's REALLY good on the ball.   I mean, he's probably better on the ball than anyone we currently have playing midfield (including Carney).   He still doesn't have that motor I want in a CDM or a box to box...but he's got very good ball skill, can make a tackle, has decent pace and is tall.

And he's already under contract if we go up.    The problem is, he needs someone better than Seri sitting beside him in the midfield or we'll constantly have people attacking our back line. I'd rather have Anguissa than Onamah, Reed or Archer on the squad, and I mean right now...before we get promotion.  He's simply a better baller.

Agree, I think he is our best midfielder - a different level to Arter / Reed

It's all about opinions Jols.
To me he was not aggressive or committed enough.
Also I can't errase the images of him just trotting back when we were being attacked, with just a bit more effort could have got a challenge of block in.

I agree again with you Jim's Dentist, Anguissa was a pussycat compared to the other two, no commitment no heart or passion and his body language stunk. Always punched below his weight. He was with other signings the reason why the dressing room was fractured from the start. Glad to have seen the back of him.

I personally think the fractured dressing room was the promoted squad's fault, as the new players would have wanted to be part of the team but the existing players probably wanted the new players on the sidelines. After the first 4-5 games, there is no doubt Anguissa, Seri and Schrulle's heads were down, but Anguissa has proven that he can be very determined player in Marseille, later period of Fulham and Villareal.

Well if you were a player who had just run through a brick wall to get Fulham promoted and then watch big time charlie's like Schurrle etc walk in who showed may have shown the wrong attitude whether it be at training or in the dressing room, because they certainly showed no commitment or passion or workrate or effort on the field of play to play within the framework of the team. One of the keepers could even speak English. That was another poor judgement by the Crack Recruitment Unit.
I would be very very cheesed off if I was a current player and saw this happening, not good for team spirit, and this was magnified by ill judged recruiting and further magnified by how late they were and the lack of preseason preparation. 
As for Anguissa he may look more impressive in another Country where you don't have to get your shorts dirty, but he did not cut it in England because he did not really want to be here, the football was too intense and even the cut he got from his transfer fee was still not enough for him to show commitment to his employers. Even though the club needed to take his salary off the wage bill. He could wait to jump ship.
We don't need high maintenance players like Zambo or Schurrie etc, completely destroys team spirit and a nightmare for a manager who probably did not have them on his wanted list, and was chosen by the owners son via a computers stats, not very bright.

Will you concede that Scott Parker does in fact rate Zambo?   

You're making a lot of assumptions about team chemistry based on nothing but poor performance on the pitch.   It doesn't mean he or even Seri led to poor chemistry, regardless of Tim Ream's comments.

Is he a perfect EFFORT player?  Heck no.  I've seen him walk around on La Liga's pitches as well.   What he's missing are better teammates that can cover for his specific weaknesses.  He's still a very good on the ball footballer.

You can't have Seri and Anguissa in the same midfield (unless you plan on winning a lot of 4-3 games).

Hopefully, if Anguissa does come back they can supplement him with a work horse, tall, good ball in the air CDM.    I personally think he can shine.

Isn't that pretty much what TK thought he was buying?
"If we can supplement him with"?   Given the money he cost he shouldn't need supplementing with an additional purchase to make him look better.

[Jims Dentist]

I don't understand 'he did not cut it in England' it took him a while to adapt but under Parker he put in atleast 3 MOTM performances against top 6 clubs and was one of our better players...

Conditioning.

I thought Anguissa was fine to good in most of the games he's played for us, up until he'd reach that 50th minute mark.

I don't know what it was, but he dropped off a cliff whenever he got tired.    It should in his posture/pace/manerisms more than any other player.    He wasn't in good physical condition to play EPL style football.

I hope he's worked on that.

So above and in other earlier posts on this thread you have acknowledged his various shortcomings, yet you still want him and his high wages back at our club?
There does not seem to be any football or financial rationale to you wanting him back.

[Woolly Mammoth]

Anguissa and his ilk are the kind of players who will not contribute to team spirit whilst playing for Fulham and  are an expensive mistake. Fulham make too many errors in their recruitment for comfort due to the mediocre recruitment unit, and we end up with a lot of dead wood and expensive unfit players who couldn't give a monkeys, certainly not enough commitment to worry whether we get promoted or not. Brentford have shown that throwing your fathers money around does not guarantee anything unless you find the right players, which they do a lot cheaper. As do Sheffield United to name just two, and they also appear to have provided a better team ethic and resilience.
Fulham have a lot of players who can do the same for the club, but there are not quite enough and Tom Cairney as Captain does not help at all. It's the little things that can turn out to be big issues if not addressed, and in my humble opinion we do not have the best team/squad in the Division by any stretch of the imagination, just ask Barnsley because in two games and over 180 minutes we failed to score one goal yet conceded 4 and never looked like winning either game. 
So I think we need to stop deluding ourselves thinking that we have the talent and the characters and the conditioning and the genuine desire as a team to move up to the next level.
To give ourselves the best chance to qualify whether it is by automatic or playoff is to raise the tempo and work a dam sight harder from the back to the front with a higher intensity as we have the ammunition as an attacking team to damage opponents in their third of the play.
But defensively especially in the last 20 minutes we get ragged, lose our shape at the back, and we fail to restore the balance and depth in defence.
There has to be more running off the ball to support the man on the ball as well as creating space for others. But to do that regularly we have to be fitter and sharper and a little more direct by keeping play in the opponents half and cut out the obsession with playing out from the back as though we are doing it by numbers. We are not the finished article, a team has to hunt not be hunted. We cannot just rely on playing pretty to win games, there are no roses without thorns. 
Personally I M O I do not think we are good enough or capable of gaining promotion on this occasion whether it is automatic or play off, as we have too many short comings.
Having said that I hope I am wrong and I will keep hoping until it is mathematically impossible. There is still surgery to be done which may come too late to secure a promotion place for Fulham.

[FulhamKC]

Anguissa did not impress me last year at FFC. He seems to be having a good season in La Liga. I wonder if his style of play is better suited to Spain than England.

[AnOldBrownie]

I don't understand 'he did not cut it in England' it took him a while to adapt but under Parker he put in atleast 3 MOTM performances against top 6 clubs and was one of our better players...

Conditioning.

I thought Anguissa was fine to good in most of the games he's played for us, up until he'd reach that 50th minute mark.

I don't know what it was, but he dropped off a cliff whenever he got tired.    It should in his posture/pace/manerisms more than any other player.    He wasn't in good physical condition to play EPL style football.

I hope he's worked on that.

So above and in other earlier posts on this thread you have acknowledged his various shortcomings, yet you still want him and his high wages back at our club?
There does not seem to be any football or financial rationale to you wanting him back.

Replace him with who? He's still under contract and a talented, yet limited midfielder.

The football reason is he's a better midfielder than Cairney, Stefjo, Onomah and Arter.  imo.



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[The Rational Fan]

I don't understand 'he did not cut it in England' it took him a while to adapt but under Parker he put in atleast 3 MOTM performances against top 6 clubs and was one of our better players...

Conditioning. I thought Anguissa was fine to good in most of the games he's played for us, up until he'd reach that 50th minute mark. I don't know what it was, but he dropped off a cliff whenever he got tired.    It should in his posture/pace/manerisms more than any other player.    He wasn't in good physical condition to play EPL style football.

I hope he's worked on that.

So above and in other earlier posts on this thread you have acknowledged his various shortcomings, yet you still want him and his high wages back at our club?
There does not seem to be any football or financial rationale to you wanting him back.

Replace him with who? He's still under contract and a talented, yet limited midfielder.

The football reason is he's a better midfielder than Cairney, Stefjo, Onomah and Arter.  imo.

We didn't save much wages in midfield by getting players out - according to football manager numbers.

£77k for "Arter +  Reed + KMac" vs £82k for "Anguissa + Cissé + Edun" - £5k per week savings
£60k for "Reid + Onomah" vs £67k for "Séri + Ayité " - £7k per week savings
£25k for half season of "Kongolo" vs £3k for "Steven Sessegnon -  £11k per week additional cost average over a season

Same Wages
£152k per week for Anguissa, Cisse, Edun, Seri, Ayité and S.Sess
£152k per week for Arter, Reed, KMac, Reid, Onamah and half season of Kongolo

I think the former combination would have started the season and developed chemistry earlier.

[Woolly Mammoth]

Anguissa never once played a full 90 mins, never played a full game, never finished a game he started, 10/10 for being a very expensive passenger.

[sunburywhite]

Anguissa never once played a full 90 mins, never played a full game, never finished a game he started, 10/10 for being a very expensive passenger.

He played the full 90 versus Liverpool (H), Everton (A), Man City (A) Caribo Cup, Huddersfield (A), Southampton (A), Man City (H), Watford (A), Cardiff (H), Newcastle (A)

He started every game SP was in charge

[@jolslover]

Anguissa never once played a full 90 mins, never played a full game, never finished a game he started, 10/10 for being a very expensive passenger.

He played the full 90 versus Liverpool (H), Everton (A), Man City (A) Caribo Cup, Huddersfield (A), Southampton (A), Man City (H), Watford (A), Cardiff (H), Newcastle (A)

He started every game SP was in charge

ahahah

[Whitestone]

Anguissa never once played a full 90 mins, never played a full game, never finished a game he started, 10/10 for being a very expensive passenger.

Appreciate we're not going to agree but this guys a quality player IMO. Never give a chance by some fans.

Frank really showed us what he was about at the tail end of last season when he was finally fit and probably a bit more settled in the UK.

[Jims Dentist]

I don't understand 'he did not cut it in England' it took him a while to adapt but under Parker he put in atleast 3 MOTM performances against top 6 clubs and was one of our better players...

Conditioning.

I thought Anguissa was fine to good in most of the games he's played for us, up until he'd reach that 50th minute mark.

I don't know what it was, but he dropped off a cliff whenever he got tired.    It should in his posture/pace/manerisms more than any other player.    He wasn't in good physical condition to play EPL style football.

I hope he's worked on that.

So above and in other earlier posts on this thread you have acknowledged his various shortcomings, yet you still want him and his high wages back at our club?
There does not seem to be any football or financial rationale to you wanting him back.

Replace him with who? He's still under contract and a talented, yet limited midfielder.

The football reason is he's a better midfielder than Cairney, Stefjo, Onomah and Arter.  imo.



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Glad to see that you recognise him as  being limited (I wish TK had realised this when paying his fee and wages). He certainly showed his effort was limited when it came to backtracking after an attack had broken down.
As for being better in m/f than those you mentioned, the last two possibly.
However he is not fit to lace the boots of Harrion Reed.

[@jolslover]

I don't understand 'he did not cut it in England' it took him a while to adapt but under Parker he put in atleast 3 MOTM performances against top 6 clubs and was one of our better players...

Conditioning.

I thought Anguissa was fine to good in most of the games he's played for us, up until he'd reach that 50th minute mark.

I don't know what it was, but he dropped off a cliff whenever he got tired.    It should in his posture/pace/manerisms more than any other player.    He wasn't in good physical condition to play EPL style football.

I hope he's worked on that.

So above and in other earlier posts on this thread you have acknowledged his various shortcomings, yet you still want him and his high wages back at our club?
There does not seem to be any football or financial rationale to you wanting him back.

Replace him with who? He's still under contract and a talented, yet limited midfielder.

The football reason is he's a better midfielder than Cairney, Stefjo, Onomah and Arter.  imo.



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Glad to see that you recognise him as  being limited (I wish TK had realised this when paying his fee and wages). He certainly showed his effort was limited when it came to backtracking after an attack had broken down.
As for being better in m/f than those you mentioned, the last two possibly.
However he is not fit to lace the boots of Harrion Reed.

I guarantee he will have the better career than Harrison Reed- if Harrison Reed is ever valued at above 8m I would be surprised (and I've been a big fan of him last two games) - whereas it wouldn't surprise me if Anguissa plays at champions league level for the rest of his career. At 24 Anguissa has played in a Europa League final and I'm sure Harrison Reed will never reach this level. Not a dig on Harrison Reed (I like him) but to say Anguissa isn't fit to lace his boots is incorrect.

[Jims Dentist]

Hello

I don't understand 'he did not cut it in England' it took him a while to adapt but under Parker he put in atleast 3 MOTM performances against top 6 clubs and was one of our better players...

Conditioning.

I thought Anguissa was fine to good in most of the games he's played for us, up until he'd reach that 50th minute mark.

I don't know what it was, but he dropped off a cliff whenever he got tired.    It should in his posture/pace/manerisms more than any other player.    He wasn't in good physical condition to play EPL style football.

I hope he's worked on that.

So above and in other earlier posts on this thread you have acknowledged his various shortcomings, yet you still want him and his high wages back at our club?
There does not seem to be any football or financial rationale to you wanting him back.

Replace him with who? He's still under contract and a talented, yet limited midfielder.

The football reason is he's a better midfielder than Cairney, Stefjo, Onomah and Arter.  imo.



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Glad to see that you recognise him as  being limited (I wish TK had realised this when paying his fee and wages). He certainly showed his effort was limited when it came to backtracking after an attack had broken down.
As for being better in m/f than those you mentioned, the last two possibly.
However he is not fit to lace the boots of Harrion Reed.

I guarantee he will have the better career than Harrison Reed- if Harrison Reed is ever valued at above 8m I would be surprised (and I've been a big fan of him last two games) - whereas it wouldn't surprise me if Anguissa plays at champions league level for the rest of his career. At 24 Anguissa has played in a Europa League final and I'm sure Harrison Reed will never reach this level. Not a dig on Harrison Reed (I like him) but to say Anguissa isn't fit to lace his boots is incorrect.

Hello again Jols.
The boot lacing comment was perhaps not right in terms of overseas football.
However, in the context of our situation, either playing in a Premiership relegation battle, or scrapping for points for a top six Championship finish, I would take Harrison or Chambers every time.

[The Rational Fan]

Hello

I don't understand 'he did not cut it in England' it took him a while to adapt but under Parker he put in atleast 3 MOTM performances against top 6 clubs and was one of our better players...

Conditioning.

I thought Anguissa was fine to good in most of the games he's played for us, up until he'd reach that 50th minute mark.

I don't know what it was, but he dropped off a cliff whenever he got tired.    It should in his posture/pace/manerisms more than any other player.    He wasn't in good physical condition to play EPL style football.

I hope he's worked on that.

So above and in other earlier posts on this thread you have acknowledged his various shortcomings, yet you still want him and his high wages back at our club?
There does not seem to be any football or financial rationale to you wanting him back.

Replace him with who? He's still under contract and a talented, yet limited midfielder.

The football reason is he's a better midfielder than Cairney, Stefjo, Onomah and Arter.  imo.



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Glad to see that you recognise him as  being limited (I wish TK had realised this when paying his fee and wages). He certainly showed his effort was limited when it came to backtracking after an attack had broken down.
As for being better in m/f than those you mentioned, the last two possibly.
However he is not fit to lace the boots of Harrion Reed.

I guarantee he will have the better career than Harrison Reed- if Harrison Reed is ever valued at above 8m I would be surprised (and I've been a big fan of him last two games) - whereas it wouldn't surprise me if Anguissa plays at champions league level for the rest of his career. At 24 Anguissa has played in a Europa League final and I'm sure Harrison Reed will never reach this level. Not a dig on Harrison Reed (I like him) but to say Anguissa isn't fit to lace his boots is incorrect.

Hello again Jols.
The boot lacing comment was perhaps not right in terms of overseas football.
However, in the context of our situation, either playing in a Premiership relegation battle, or scrapping for points for a top six Championship finish, I would take Harrison or Chambers every time.

In the 15 games, Harrison Reed has played more than 60 minutes we have scored 17 goals and conceded 20 goals.  In the 22 games, Harrison Reed didn't play (or played less than 15 minutes) we have scored 32 goals and conceded 19 goals.

Fulham's performance with Harrison Reed in the team have been poor, this needs to be answered.