Summer Silly Season Transfer Thread 2025

[Deeping_white]

The Sporting link to Kevin seems a bit of a ruse; they aren't renowned for buying players at such high fees (and the one link to them says they have reservations over the quoted price). They also have Trincao, Goncalves, Harder & Catamo who play on the wings, and all of them are worth €20m+ as it is, and that's before you get to Araujo who's currently injured - so unless they're planning on selling another winger, I can't really see it being likely he goes there as he wouldn't start for them whereas he will for us. If he did go to Sporting then I'd be chucking money at them for Harder because he can play LW or ST and he has a very bright future ahead of him

[Neutral Zone Ultra]

https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1958128487325221095?s=46

Douglas Luiz going to Forest, few on here wanted him but looks like he's gone now.

[jayffc]

Sporting now in for Kevin.

This feels familiar...

where does it say that - i cannot find it online?

I seen one tweet on it from sportwitness - bottom of the bottom tier source
And a couple fan led twitter accounts. Seems unlikely they'll be willing to pay what's being asked

[bencher]

Reality is we have "allegedly" made a bid only 20k under what they accepted for a striker who's record was very similar, at a very similar age, to a Serie A club in the last 2 years.

Vanja Vlahovic is not comparable to Jovanovic at all. Completely different players and a different situation at the club at the time, as Partizan was desperate to sell anyone at the time, as they were in finacial trouble. Why does Partizan feel outraged now and they were more than happy to sell Vlahovic for a similar price? You can't compare to players only by their age and club they play at...

We're talking about an unproven youngster,the third choice youth striker in a serbian team. He might well turn out great, but the fact is they've sold a player of similar profile who's record was pretty simlar, for an amount very close to what we offered.

He's third choice because they have two insanely talented striker in front of him. Jovan Milosevic, who is on loan from Stuttgart, was the top scorer at u17 EURO 2022. Andrej Kostic is a year younger than Jovanovic and he managed to score 4 in 4 so far this season.
 

Shouldn't we be going for Andrej Kostic if he's younger and better?

[hopper]

Sporting now in for Kevin.

This feels familiar...

where does it say that - i cannot find it online?

Just seen this https://sportwitness.co.uk/sporting-keen-on-shakhtar-star-kevin-but-share-fulham-concerns-over-price/ which reports from Record, a Portugese paper. No idea on their reliability.

[Pie n Mash]

If Mitro is getting the reported 25 million to buy out his contract he can afford to pay us to play.

Not even Al Hilal paying it, it's a sponsor or individual apparently.

[Tabby]

Sporting now in for Kevin.

This feels familiar...

where does it say that - i cannot find it online?

Just seen this https://sportwitness.co.uk/sporting-keen-on-shakhtar-star-kevin-but-share-fulham-concerns-over-price/ which reports from Record, a Portugese paper. No idea on their reliability.

Portuguese papers are notoriously terrible sources, perhaps only topped by the Turkish ones.

[Rightwhite]

Sportwitness probably the worst source of football related stuff I've ever read about tbh.

[hopper]

Sporting now in for Kevin.

This feels familiar...

where does it say that - i cannot find it online?

Just seen this https://sportwitness.co.uk/sporting-keen-on-shakhtar-star-kevin-but-share-fulham-concerns-over-price/ which reports from Record, a Portugese paper. No idea on their reliability.

Portuguese papers are notoriously terrible sources, perhaps only topped by the Turkish ones.

Someone on reddit did a little guide to Portugese websites, and it seems like it's their equivalent of the Express. Here's what they wrote about Record:

Finally, we come to the last of the big 3 newspaper which is Record. Record is the third-best selling Portuguese newspaper for good reason. This newspaper will print stories that will literally make you say "wtf". It will do anything to get more sales against Ojogo and Abola. They will print stories like "Di Maria to Benfica" or "Falcao to Fatima" that can puzzle people. Unfortunately as a kid, I love reading this newspaper and would buy a copy each morning to read in my grandfather cafe. Why? It was practically similar to a Children's book with made up stories and you can use your imagination to believe Messi will be playing at Porto. I'm not really sure who they're bias to but it can be said between Benfica and Sporting. Be wary of stories from these guys.

[hopper]

Sportwitness probably the worst source of football related stuff I've ever read about tbh.

Sportwitness doesn't really have its own content, its more like an aggregator - like HammyEnd or something.

[Nero]

https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1958128487325221095?s=46

Douglas Luiz going to Forest, few on here wanted him but looks like he's gone now.

where are they getting the money from, they broke FFP a year or so ago, I know they're in Europe but its not champions league can only think they looking at selling MGW next summer to cover the extra spending or going poop or bust

[FFC1987]

https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1958128487325221095?s=46

Douglas Luiz going to Forest, few on here wanted him but looks like he's gone now.

where are they getting the money from, they broke FFP a year or so ago, I know they're in Europe but its not champions league can only think they looking at selling MGW next summer to cover the extra spending or going poop or bust

In fairness to them, I really wouldn't be surprised if its the old Chelsea model. Knowing well in advance that they'll never really be able to hit the required balances but knowing the likelihood will be a daft fine and a transfer embargo for one or two windows by which time, they have a nice war chest of assets......Time will tell.

[hopper]

https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1958128487325221095?s=46

Douglas Luiz going to Forest, few on here wanted him but looks like he's gone now.

where are they getting the money from, they broke FFP a year or so ago, I know they're in Europe but its not champions league can only think they looking at selling MGW next summer to cover the extra spending or going poop or bust

They sold Elanga for £50m, but likewise we've had those big sales before and it hasn't led to comparable outlays.

And as @FFC1987 says, Marinakis probably has an attitude of not really caring. Seems across the board the punishments for breaking rules are a slap on the wrist, and you benefit from breaking them.

[bencher]

https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1958128487325221095?s=46

Douglas Luiz going to Forest, few on here wanted him but looks like he's gone now.

where are they getting the money from, they broke FFP a year or so ago, I know they're in Europe but its not champions league can only think they looking at selling MGW next summer to cover the extra spending or going poop or bust

In fairness to them, I really wouldn't be surprised if its the old Chelsea model. Knowing well in advance that they'll never really be able to hit the required balances but knowing the likelihood will be a daft fine and a transfer embargo for one or two windows by which time, they have a nice war chest of assets......Time will tell.

They also sold Elanga for a healthy profit of £40m, all booked in this financial year.

The problem with the Forest model is you make a lot of bets and you would expect the high risk strategy will catch up with them one way or another.

[Tabby]

Probably banking on that they can sell MGW and Murillo for a combined £150 million if needed. Elliot Anderson also seems like the kind of player that could go for £40-50 million as he has the HG label.

They did the same thing with Brennan Johnson last time around.

[Angus Telford]

Setting the frame.

If you go in that level, you can often set the expectation of a lower ceiling to negotiation. If we go in at 1m, they very well might say - no - nothing under 2m (purely for example). Whereas if you go in as we have, you might well pick him up for closer to that just shy of 1m range who knows.

It's a game, and all money saved is money saved. Especially in a business where club record fees are going elswhere reportedly, with that selling club squeezing us high as possible. And as mentioned it's only £20k off of what they sold another striker a similar age for, not long ago. That player had very comparable stats. So regardless of what their situation at the time was, it's not like it's really an absurd completely out-of-pocket suggestion.

Meanwhile Atlanta reportedly offered 25.8m at first for Muniz...that was never getting accepted in a million years either, a silly offer for a young prem striker with his goals to mins ratio. That's the game and many clubs with any sense try their luck. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Based on Serbian Lad's comments we seem to have offered about a quarter of what the lad is worth. I've no idea if the reports are true but if so, it's more like Atalanta making an opening bid of £8-10m for Muniz. I don't think that resets the frame, it just undermines the offeror's credibility at the outset and for the rest of the negotiations.

Speaking objectively here, Dusan Jovanovic is valued at 500k euros on transfermarkt.com so we went in at roughly half his valuation. Seems fine to me.

Perfect. So it would be comparable to bidding half of Muniz's Transfermarkt valuation - £10m as I said.

[Angus Telford]

The Johnson sale balanced their last breach, albeit a few months too late, hence the fine. All this summer's business will amortise over the next few years so be financed by Elanga plus the £200m annual revenue they'll probably get now they're in Europe. Remember the Douglas Luiz fee reported above as an example on a four year contract would only cost £6m per year.

[hopper]

The Johnson sale balanced their last breach, albeit a few months too late, hence the fine. All this summer's business will amortise over the next few years so be financed by Elanga plus the £200m annual revenue they'll probably get now they're in Europe. Remember the Douglas Luiz fee reported above as an example on a four year contract would only cost £6m per year.

But they're taking on a lot of extra players wages so that needs to be taken into consideration as well beyond the fees. They'll be getting more revenue due to Europe sure, but wouldn't be surprised if they're in breach or at the least sailing close to the wind.

Marinakis is ambitious for sure and will be doing everything he can to get a squad that can win the Europa. He's not content to just make up the numbers.

[jayffc]

Setting the frame.

If you go in that level, you can often set the expectation of a lower ceiling to negotiation. If we go in at 1m, they very well might say - no - nothing under 2m (purely for example). Whereas if you go in as we have, you might well pick him up for closer to that just shy of 1m range who knows.

It's a game, and all money saved is money saved. Especially in a business where club record fees are going elswhere reportedly, with that selling club squeezing us high as possible. And as mentioned it's only £20k off of what they sold another striker a similar age for, not long ago. That player had very comparable stats. So regardless of what their situation at the time was, it's not like it's really an absurd completely out-of-pocket suggestion.

Meanwhile Atlanta reportedly offered 25.8m at first for Muniz...that was never getting accepted in a million years either, a silly offer for a young prem striker with his goals to mins ratio. That's the game and many clubs with any sense try their luck. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Based on Serbian Lad's comments we seem to have offered about a quarter of what the lad is worth. I've no idea if the reports are true but if so, it's more like Atalanta making an opening bid of £8-10m for Muniz. I don't think that resets the frame, it just undermines the offeror's credibility at the outset and for the rest of the negotiations.

Speaking objectively here, Dusan Jovanovic is valued at 500k euros on transfermarkt.com so we went in at roughly half his valuation. Seems fine to me.

Perfect. So it would be comparable to bidding half of Muniz's Transfermarkt valuation - £10m as I said.

I guess I gotta do the whoosh again on 1987s behalf. He was taking the p*** making a callback joke about being "objective" and the validity or usefulness of transfermarkt valuations

As for the muniz correlation, have covered that already.

[hopper]

All this direct sniping is not great, can you guys leave it out